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How Viewpoint Diversity Can Help Protect Academics from Themselves (and Perhaps Help Heal Our Civic Culture Too)
The lack of intellectual pluralism undermines the truth-seeking function of the university.
Ohio State Professor Michael Clune, who caused a bit of a stir in academia with hhis December 2024 essay "We Asked for It," has a new essay in the Chronicle of Higher Education responding to a recent critique of the push for heterodoxy and intellectual pluralism on campus. The essay, "Professors Can Be Ignorant. That's Why We Need Viewpoint Diversity," begins:
It's hard to succeed as an educator when you don't know what you're talking about. And yet many professors of the humanities and social sciences — teaching and writing on topics such as capitalism, police reform, and sexuality — fail a simple, classic test. To understand your own position, you must be aware of, and be able to respond to, objections to that position. We need greater diversity of political and social views in academe not because diversity is a higher value than truth, but because academics' intellectual isolation has compromised their capacity to pursue truth.
In an academic environment in which objections to the reigning political, social, and cultural assumptions are castigated as beyond the pale of academic discussion, professors find themselves dangerously isolated, ignorant of how their students and fellow citizens view their behavior. Discussing faculty posts on social media about the assassination of Charlie Kirk, a student at the University of Texas at Austin writes: "I've learned that there are people on my college campus who would cheer if someone like me, a young person who openly expresses my traditional Christian beliefs and right-wing political views, were murdered."
This is not the lesson most faculty members intend to teach, but many professors simply don't know how they appear to nonacademics and don't know how to respond appropriately to ideas that differ from their own. Professors in many fields tend to think that disagreement with their disciplines' consensus (on, say, police reform, capitalism, or gender) is equivalent to Holocaust denial, or, as Lisa Siraganian puts it in a recent essay in Academe attacking viewpoint diversity, denying the double-helix model of DNA.
As Clune discusses (and those of us with heterodox views in academia often experience) the lack of intellectual diversity in many departments and disciplines produces an epistemological failure and undermines academic inquiry, and this is particularly problematic in the humanities and social sciences.
the best case for intellectual diversity is a pragmatic one. While the sciences have hardly been immune to ideological distortions, not all fields suffer equally from a lack of different political perspectives. Some fields may not suffer any epistemological consequences at all. The goal of the university is the pursuit of truth; the pursuit of intellectual diversity is best seen as a means to that end. Physics or civil engineering may not be seriously compromised by ideological conformity; whether a biochemist is conservative or liberal may well have no effect at all on her teaching and research.
But I have come to believe that the questions asked by historians, literary scholars, and political scientists — which necessarily touch on matters of intense political controversy — cannot be adequately posed or answered in an atmosphere of ideological closure. . . .
The social sciences may well survive widespread epistemological failure and ideological closure, but the humanities may not be so lucky.
I fear that colleges' response to the political distortions of humanities disciplines will be to further marginalize and defund these disciplines. But the very feature of the humanities that renders them vulnerable to distortion by ideological conformity is also the source of their immense value to the educational enterprise. We are, ultimately, after human truths — the meaning of happiness, the nature of revolutions, the right way to organize a government, the best way to interpret a text or to judge a work of art. Our work engages passions and values that animate everyone's lives.
To see beyond our passions, to step outside our prejudices, to suspend our most powerful commitments — this is a discipline, and a difficult one. It is the humanities' proper discipline, and at this moment it requires welcoming new perspectives and voices into our classrooms and lecture halls. The creation of spaces in which the humanistic pursuit of truth can truly flourish may also be what this violent and divided nation most needs from higher education.
One way to address these concerns may to take Professor John McGinnis' advice and focus more on teaching students to disagree productively. This will help universities combat epistemic closure, and perhaps help heal our civic culture as well. In theory, law schools already do this, but the lack of meaningful ideological diversity hampers such efforts from being more effective.
An educational system should aspire to make citizens pass an "ideological Turing test," demonstrating the ability to present the strongest case for views they reject so persuasively that an examiner cannot infer their own. A person who can do so earns rapport across the aisle by grasping the full force of the arguments that motivate opponents.
Sadly, education at all stages today hinders the ability to pass this kind of test. . . .
Universities can still bend the civic arc if they return to their first vocation: truth-seeking through contestation. A democracy only functions well if its elites model respectful disagreement. That kind of respect is the first step to creating a political atmosphere free from fear and threat. This atmosphere is itself conducive to the willingness to compromise on which pluralist democracy depends.
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Part of why academic soft sciences/humanities/arts are seen as worthless, in roughly inverse proportion to their rigor is that they've been highly compromised in roughly inverse proportion to their rigor. Into ideological social clubs. The hard science academic establishment have not been as affected but they are getting there, which also breeds distrust.
Step one is to get rid of the woke / politically correct nonsense words which have added an excess of words to describe a simple function or define a simple term, such as 'Personnel' and 'Mother'. Their recent alternatives are excessive and not descriptive of reality besides being unintelligible.
Step two would be to say everyone is the same as each other as well as individual.
Step three is to end categorizing and 'pigeon holing' people into groups which only divide and alienate, thus destroy any social cohesion.
Fair enough, but this is a strange place to post such comments. The Volokh Conspiracy certainly doesn't lack for ideological heterodoxy, though actually productive disagreement may be a little rarer than one would wish. This piece should be published in the campus newspaper or posted on the department bulletin board (or whatever the faculty uses these days).
Why would a blog written by law professors have any posts about academia? Makes no sense!
It was the first day of hunting season, and the church was half empty. The pastor delivered a fiery sermon on the sinfulness of missing church. Afterwards, one of the parishioners said to him, "I don't know why we had to listen to that. We're the ones who are here."
Certainly I don't think many folks here could pass the ideological Turing test. Most people seem more interested in distorting their opponents' views rather than making a serious attempt to engage with them.
Discussing faculty posts on social media about the assassination of Charlie Kirk, a student at the University of Texas at Austin writes: "I've learned that there are people on my college campus who would cheer if someone like me, a young person who openly expresses my traditional Christian beliefs and right-wing political views, were murdered."
Nope. Would not happen. Not unless that guy had made a business and a political hobby horse out of unloading bigoted views in public forums, time after time. It was that self-promotional aspect combined with bigotry which made some folks who felt targeted by Kirk lose it when Kirk was murdered. They are not about to do likewise just because some ordinary guy who has not been active to suppress others, and who has not been trying to profit personally by doing it, meets an untimely end. More the opposite.
"Not unless that guy had made a business and a political hobby horse out of unloading bigoted views in public forums, time after time."
Look, casually labeling any disagreement "bigotry", even if it consists of views that are perfectly mainstream or even majority, may make you feel better about treating your opponents like dirt, but it's not persuasive.
The majority has had bigoted views for almost all of history.
Guess what, buckaroo? I think YOUR views are bigoted.
"Bigoted" is an intensely contested concept, not some freaking objective measure. You're not getting anywhere in an argument calling people who disagree with you "bigoted", even if you genuinely think they are, because they're also going to disagree with you about who's the bigot.
At best, and I do mean best, it's counter-productive venting. More of the time there's an implicit, "And the rules are different when dealing with bigots!" lurking in the background unstated, and you're actually licensing yourself to act badly.
Bellmore, I have previously anatomized distinctions between bigotry and racism. To review:
Bigotry is an inner disposition, an aspect of character. It often has an anti-racial character. People afflicted with bigotry respond in different ways. Some express it openly, maybe aggressively. Those may be on the deplorable course to becoming racists.
Other bigots feel that tendency amounts to a character defect, or perhaps a sin. They wish they were not afflicted, and struggle not to afflict others.
In those cases bigotry remains a personal struggle instead of a social affliction. A struggle of that sort can show personal virtue. It can deserve support.
If managed with an eye to reform, expressed publicly, the struggle, if not the bigotry, can be virtuous, and socially constructive. This nation has been blessed to host and support millions of virtuous bigots of that sort.
Overall, bigotry is an inward tendency, not a social one. Thus, others should always be cautious about attacking individuals as bigots. Attacks of that kind are likely counter-productive, likely unfair, and thus discredit the attackers, not their targets.
Racism, on the other hand, is always culpable. It is identified by acts committed with intent to arrange systems of social organization, including governments, to favor the racists arbitrarily, and to disfavor others whom racists target. Racism by its nature must be expressed openly (if not always fully publicly), and carried into practice by overt policies and means. Racism is thus objectively observable, and just as objectively indefensible by claims of virtuous intent.
The worst racists may not even feel bigotry, but only act on the basis of opportunism. That tendency abounds in politics. It is a socially destructive tendency which can also be recognized objectively. It should always be opposed, including with wise government constraints where those are possible. But wisdom does not usually extend to using government power to suppress speech—censorship presents its own severe problems, especially in politics. So racists seek leverage in politics, which cannot always wisely be denied to them.
However, wisdom may, and often does, extend to making it inconvenient for racists to disrupt pro-social organizations. It extends as well to erecting protections for accustomed targets of racism,
Targets of racism of course encounter characteristic difficulties while they attempt to access education, employment, equality of social status, legal equality, wealth, office and honors. One of the most important counter-racist policies is a policy to improve and protect access to positions of leadership—social, political, legal, judicial, academic, business, and military—for the racial groups longest and most severely targeted by racists.
To do that of course enrages racists, which is unfortunate. But that outrage must be accepted as an unavoidable cost of improvement, at least while racism of that sort is practiced.
On the strength of his own words and actions, Charlie Kirk was a virulent racist. That meant it was unwise to afford him ready access to public forums. It meant he deserved opposition at every turn. It did not mean anyone had a right to murder him.
It continues to mean that defending what Kirk did is likewise racist. You should try to do better.
If we're going to attempt to define "bigotry" objectively, it's not enough to say, "Bigotry is an inner disposition, an aspect of character."
One has to ask the nature of that inner disposition. So, what is that nature?
I would say, it is a tendency to, generalizing the nature of racism, treat individuals as mere instances of a group. With a proviso that it isn't generally viewed as "bigoted" to do this in the positive, only the negative, despite both being as irrational.
Stereotypes are statistical generalizations, and on a statistical basis, are perfectly capable of being true. But even if true, statistical generalizations tell you nothing about the specific instance before you; Pygmies may be short, but you may stumble across the world's tallest pygmy, and treating the 6' tall person in front of you as short just because they're a pygmy is stupid.
Engaging in statistical generalizations is perfectly natural human behavior, and studies of stereotype accuracy have determined two things:
1. Stereotypes are usually, if not always, statistically accurate. That's why they persist.
2. Most people abandon stereotypes as soon as they have any individual information about the specific person they're interacting with.
Bigots, I would say, are the people who violate rule 2.
Bellmore — Poppycock. My own definition was on target. I can even do it more concisely. Bigotry is an inward tendency to indulge prejudice. It need not be racial prejudice. It can be religious prejudice. It can be scientific prejudice.
It could even be my own characteristic prejudice, perhaps not indulged by anyone else on the globe. I am an Austrophobe. That means I begin every day's business with prejudice against both Austrians, and Australians.
As with your own examples, I insist my prejudice is rooted in accurately-judged experience. I need not go into the horrific details. They are not alike among the two groups. They became linked in my mind by intensity of adverse experiences, by the similarity of names, and by being encountered simultaneously in the same remote locale, far from either place.
You will not argue me out of my Austrophobia, nor shame me out of it.
I will die an Austrophobe.
What about Kiwis?
Nice justification for bigotry you've got there, Brett.
What's not true -- but which you implied -- is that statistical group differences are actually caused by your definition of the group. If you define a group of "Black people" and observe a statistical difference, you assume it's because they're "Black people." That's what makes you a bigot, or at least one of the things.
Listen, if your opponents are bigoted subhuman dirt, it makes it easier to rationalize violence. It also makes the pain of all that cognitive dissonance go away. I heart my little bubble! Don't knock it until you've tried it. /sarc
You've perfectly described the point of the tripe that Randal continues to spew.
Why me? I'm not rationalizing violence. I'm simply suggesting you guys should be less bigoty because it's a better way to be.
Or just own it. Which Kirk largely did, bless his soul. What's been so strange about his death is the extent to which his defenders have disavowed his views. That's not very respectful of the dead.
So, are you an out-and-proud bigot? Just don't say "I'm not a bigot but... [insert bigoted opinion here]." You sound like a puke when you do that.
By the same token, refusing to acknowledge bigotry when it's staring you in the face isn't very clever either.
Oh look. Defending murder and assassination over speech again. I would have thought the progs on here would be more careful or at least waited longer after spilling so much ink vehemently denying that they were doing so.
Bullshyte, Stephen.
The only reason I wasn't murdered at UMass Amherst is that enough people were afraid of what I might do if they tried.
Although I do want to congratulate you for demonstrating the difference between a (small 'l') liberal and a fascist, which is what you are.
"Don't worry - just because they rejoiced when Kirk was murdered doesn't mean they'll rejoice when *you* are murdered!"
I knew that the Volokh comments section was toxic, but I didn't think that we would be seeing people defend Weimar-style political assassinations.
My mistake, you didn't defend the Kirk assassination, you simply understood it, contextualized it, and minimized it.
Universities can still bend the civic arc if they return to their first vocation: truth-seeking through contestation.
It's a nice sentiment. But for the average state university, it's just not true to say their primary purpose ever was truth-seeking through contestation. It's much more mundane than that.
Clune sort of acknowledges that with his mention of physics and civil engineering. But I think it applies to wide range of disciplines, even in the social sciences and humanities: most of the effort in the "vocation" is learning non-controversial competencies, and as for the truth seeking, it's mostly through collecting information and trying out ideas and then trying to be objective about the results.
Contestation is just one of many ways to discover truth.
You beat me to it.
Truth-seeking may be their first vocation, but in other than purely theoretical areas, it is empiricism, not contestation, that is the first strategy.
Even ignoring the STEM of it all, and focusing on like legal academia, this is just terrible timing.
Whatever the recent push for heterodoxy in academia, the Trump admin's compact isn't part of it; it's a purely anti-liberal document, both capital -L, and lowercase.
So this timing suuucks. 'we asked for it' is, right now, just victim blaming.
I'm on the record believing we do need affirmative action for conservatives in academia.
But that can't happen right now without looking like bending knee on intellectual freedom.
Which your position is functionally advocating for.
Save it, and in like 2029 we can talk. For now, Trump's ruined any chance this message has to be taken seriously.
I also think both the authors here and a lot of the commentariat don't really understand what soured the general public on universities.
Here's a hint - ask a bunch of taxpayers and tuition payers what they think the proper vocation of a university is.
Options:
(a) "Truth-seeking through contestation"
(b) "Promoting social justice and equality"
(c) "Helping people get jobs and pass licensing exams"
(d) "Promoting core Western/Judeo-Christian values"
Perhaps it's sad, but I predict (a) would come in dead last. Like single digits.
Up vote. The clear majority of regular taxpayers would pick C, i suspect. And they’re not wrong.
They are wrong, if they conclude the race is first-past-the-post, and the others are losers.
A relatively less-regarded virtue of this nation's higher education system is pervasive presence among the faculty of vocationally-minded institutions of scholars trained at institutions less narrowly focused. That leaven gets opposed too much. It does a great deal to keep open the minds of students destined later to spend their time mostly on daily practicalities.
An old saw has it, "There was a time when thinkers still built, and builders still thought." Now is not the time to forget that entirely.
Nothing like banning and murdering political opponents for "Truth-seeking through contestation". Lol
Do you guys just blurt out random nice sounding phrases like an llm not knowing or caring how detached from reality they are?
I have no clue what you are talking about.
Today is Charlie Kirk's birthday
And this is in no way the fault of universities: "Confidence in higher education among Republicans today is nearly a mirror image of what it was nine years ago. In 2015, 56% of Republicans had a great deal or quite a lot of confidence, and 11% had little or none. Now, [2024,] 20% are confident and 50% have little or no confidence."
https://news,.gallup.com/poll/646880/confidence-higher-education-closely-divided.aspx
Though I do think the question in that poll kinda sucks. 'confidence in higher education' is not a clear question at all.
Well, ten years of universities being vilified by Republicans will do that.
Sure, the universities did some dumb stuff, but let's not overlook that campaign, which exaggerated the dumb stuff and ignored the rest.
Perhaps if the universities hadn't spent 50 years doing dumber and dumber stuff, Republicans and a lot of other people wouldn't have spent the last 10 years villifying them.
You are really really self-blind if you think the universities have only been doing dumb stuff for ten years.
You don't seem to understand causation either if you think Republicans started villifying universities at the same instant universities began doing dumb stuff.
Neither bernard nor I claimed that in the past 10 years at universities except what MAGA dipshits were told to think.
And here you are, both adopting the view of that exact kind of dipshit and demonstrating you're bad at reading too.
Not the best look if you're coming at education, but you've never been our wisest poster.
Really? Bernard says "Sure, the universities did some dumb stuff" and you say "Neither bernard nor I claimed that in the past 10 years at universities ...".
So tell me, exactly what period in time was Bernard talking about? You didn't address where I asked how the Republicans could pounce simultaneously with the universities doing dumb stuff. Obvious to most people, the universities must have been doing that dumb stuff before the Republicans pounced. Please tell me when that was, and when they stopped.
You are really really self-blind if you think the universities have only been doing dumb stuff for ten years.
That's not what I said. I said the vilification had been going on for ten years, though on second thought that's too short. It goes back at least to Buckley's God and Man at Yale.
It has, however, reintensified recently.
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Well, ten years of universities being vilified by Republicans will do that.
Do you think the open hostility to conservative speakers and the anti-semitism exploding on college campuses might have something to do with republicans vilifying liberals behavior?
(e) launching kids into adulthood with a strong support network / opportunities for social mobility
Trump forced teachers to continue to be ignorant until at least 2029 is a hell of a take.
A general point. Time after time we get these demands for enforced intellectual diversity from right wing ideologues. They always come with a tacit assumption that more diversity would entitle their views specifically to intellectual dignity. I am at a loss to understand why they would think that.
A goal to increase intellectual diversity might adopt any among a host of other ideologies, but still leave theirs by the wayside as unworthy of serious consideration. In academia much more goes unstudied than becomes canonical. Practically anything anyone would think to study has been around far longer, and affected more people, than Trump/MAGA populism. Let's give it a few more decades, and see how it does.
Yes. I have this problem with conservatives all the time. They're like, "I just want a debate." It's a lie. They want their ideas to be accepted without challenge. That's not a debate, it's blind ideology. If you try to debate a conservative, they get all pissed off and whine about being silenced.
Liar.
"Physics or civil engineering may not be seriously compromised by ideological conformity;"
I think that actually depends on how far it's taken. At the very least demands for ideological conformity can reduce the number of candidates for the degrees. Realistically, some of that ideology revolves around a rejection of meritocracy and 'white' values, which can also compromise STEM performance.
There's also a push to get straight math problems to incorporate social justice indoctrination, like "If a black woman makes 70% of what a white man makes, and a white man makes x...".
The classes devolve into discussions around social justice instead of math.
Twelve, if you ever have a few days to visit South Texas drop by. We'll walk through the math building and unobtrusively stick our heads in the back door of lectures in progress. We'll visit a couple dozen rooms - you pick which ones.
Each time the discussion in progress has anything at all to with race or gender or equality or anything woke by any stretch of the imagination - and I'll trust you to be the judge - I'll give you $1000. If it doesn't you'll give me $1.
Afterwards I'll use the winnings to buy you some pizza and beer, because it's not right to take money by exploiting people with misconceptions.
Don't bother with links. I'm sure it did happen somewhere, just like somewhere a man bit a dog or a rat fell into a fast food deep fryer. I'm also sure about how common such things are.
So you've avoided that particular pitfall. Great job!
Ive been in academia far longer than I care to admit and inappropriate politicism and lack of viewpoint diversity is definitely a feature you notice more than rarely if you're not part of the club yourself.
It's true we aren't sitting in a mechanical engineering class wearing technicolored robes and chanting about gender pronouns 24/7 like ds demands before it's something worthy of the least bit of concern. But it's definitely something that can affect suggestible young minds and something taxpayers deserve to question before dropping fat stacks for.
Ps Its also true as ds claims that discussions about modifying grants and programs to satisfy supposed trumpian requirements do take place and I have been in some. Whatever you say about Trump's grant policies. There is much I disagree with him about and much which is exaggerated or his critics are wrong about that color the discussions. These tend to turn into TDS fests, virtue signaling email chains or more often an opportunity to snicker at the supposed wackiness of the administration for a few minutes before moving on. So if anything its more a reinforcement of the prevailing leftist orthodoxy than an ideological win and genuine foothold for Trump into converting campuses like ds claims. Not that there would not be a benefit to actually have some ideological diversity that this could bring.
Progs like ds are sneaky like this. They drop nuggets from a compelling insider perspective that are indeed true then slyly mischaracterize them or color them from a partisan lensefor a political point.
Sneaky prog, dropping nuggets from a compelling insider perspective?
Well, that's like halfway flattering.
BTW, I don't recall discussing the "pronoun" issue at all, much less demanding anything.
OK, but what do things look like at a university where the average SAT score is over 500?
Sure, change the subject to an inappropriate comparison. The example is obviously the praxis for introductory math, not a college class. Nice way to avoid talking about impact statement requirements, diversity demands and all the other BS other that ability now used as qualifications to even get the job. This is why we all hate progs and their allies like you.
In theory that could happen. In practice I never saw any mechanical engineering departments rejecting stress-strain curves because they're a white construct. Or anything even remotely like that.
On the other hand, just five days ago I was in a Zoom meeting where federal agency officials flat out told those of us receiving funding to search and remove any references to a list of keywords including "emissions" and "diversity" from all websites and published materials. Someone studying not-carbon emissions, something about leakage and totally unrelated to global warming, tried to clarify that it didn't apply to them. The officials told us that the enforcement would not necessarily be nuanced and the researcher needed to find some other word besides "emissions".
Others noted that from 2021-2025 they'd been funded for projects with those keywords and that there was a contract requirement to make the results publicly available and linked to the original project title. The officials (who by the way, were really nice people and sincerely trying to help us stay out of trouble) suggested to hide the final reports with the offending words in a secondary link along the lines of "Click here for work funded prior to January 2025".
Did some of this go the other way in the previous administration? Yes, it did. From 2021-2025 it was made understood that you'd have a much better chance to get funded if a page out of the 20 page proposal nodded toward how your project would indirectly help the environment or underrepresented groups or some other leftish goal. A brief essay along the lines of "better electric motors reduce waste, and waste dumps typically impact low income communities" would usually get the box checked off. The impression was they wanted the taking of the knee more than the actual impact. I can't say that taking that knee led us to change the primary research goal, the post-2025 instructions caused some outright cancellations.
We comply. One of our required job duties is "seek federal funding". We take federal money and accept that whoever won the election is the customer. We believe both the 2020 and 2024 elections were legit. We obey Trump and we obeyed Biden.
I don't always agree with you, but this comports with what I've seen on the other side of the grantmaking table.
Right down to the unbelievably stupid and lazy keywords...and the page of diversity blabber under Biden.
I can't say that taking that knee led us to change the primary research goal, the post-2025 instructions caused some outright cancellations.
This is key! This is why this admin is extraordinary and awful. Nothing like this ever happened before.
We had a banger grant killed right after award for having 'diversity of chemical reagents' in it's abstract.
Yeah, that is a problem when you put some South Texas grads in charge of reviewing grants.
"The officials (who by the way, were really nice people and sincerely trying to help us stay out of trouble)" should be fired!
If it makes you feel any better, Dr. Ed, this whole meeting was after a substantial number of the funded research groups from last year had been outright cancelled. Any group where the actual main focus was the environment, diversity, carbon, etc already lost their funding earlier this year.
The surviving groups at the meeting all do work that has been vetted and approved by Trump appointees. What they were asking us to do is clean up all vestiges of the stuff we put on it to please Biden appointees. The mid-level career officials don't want the secretary and undersecretary level to think they aren't enforcing the EO. They are enforcing it, thus the meeting. The reason for putting old reports one click down is to show that we're no longer promoting the woke stuff.
As ordered.
Forget "enforcing" it -- i want those who don't BELIEVE it gone.
I'm not sure if passing an ideological Turing test is a goal for which to strive. AIs have been taught to distinguish true-view papers (people who believe in A arguing for A) from feigned-view papers (believers in A pretending to be supporters of B) by the fact that in the latter, more nuanced arguments are made, with consideration of counterarguments; while in the former, there's more casual assumption that the writer's premises are right and that people who believe otherwise are fools or knaves.
For corroboration, look no farther than the comments in just about any Reason article. How many of them seem to have been written in an earnest attempt to persuade others; as opposed to how many seem chiefly to be about how many times the writer can use the word "cuck" or "fascist" in as few words as possible?
You're saying insincere phonies make more intelligent arguments. While obscenity laced named calling indicates sincerity.
Kind of bleak.
Makes sense, though. If I write something supporting my own sincerely held view, I could have some combination of three objectives: (1) to convince reasonable people to lean toward my view; (2) to gain status among people who already hold my view by showing that I'm really one of them; (3) to annoy people whom I despise because they don't share my view. Obscenity-laced name-calling doesn't help with (1), but it helps achieve (2) and (3).
On the other hand, if I'm feigning support for a view with which I actually disagree, I don't care about my status among people who hold that view, and I don't want to write something that would make me mad if I read it as written by someone else. So I'm going to lean more toward (1).
Most polls of academe show something around a 90% preponderance of liberals in the field.
Not much viewpoint diversity there. Most of it seems to be a division between those who support third-trimester abortion and those thinking that's too conservative.
Or the oppose could be true, that being an academic is incompatible with being a conservative. It might have been ok 20 years ago, but modern conservatives reject the notion of objective facts.
This is precisely correct. Conservative ideas would be welcome in universities, if conservatives cared to attend. The reality is that conservatives aren't interested in allowing their viewpoints to compete in a marketplace of ideas, because they consistently lose. The only conservative voices on campus are those that seek to shut down and shame all other voices.
You are precisely incorrect.
LOL
Your response truly rises to the intellectual level that I've come to expect of the modern conservative movement.
I see you have no reply, which is typical for a Leftist.
ROFLMAO
Your side is the one that literally shot and murdered a man for daring to speak truth to progressive lies. That is exactly how "welcoming" you and yours are to conservative ideas being expressed. Bullying and threatening people into silence doesn't mean you have winning arguments, quite the opposite.
Your side is the one that murdered a Minnesota legislator and her husband, and injured a state senator because you don't like their views.
The crowd that uses heckling and violence up to assassination to shut down opposing voices on campus and was up until a few months ago all for government and corporate surrogate censorship is the side all for the market place of ideas lol.
Kirk was a false flag.
Could you elaborate on this?
Hmmm...you haven't produced supporting evidence so far in support of your assertion. Perhaps the evidence will be coming soon?
3rd Tuesday of next week!
You're a liar.
I'm not going to re-litigate Charlie Kirk, because you know very well that my "crowd" did not "use... assassination," certainly not anymore than your "crowd" did so Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick, the CDC, or the Mormon church in Grand Blanc.
The bigger issue: the president, and by extension the modern Republican party, is now using the full force of the government to punish anyone who disagrees: withholding funding from universities who dare to teach disfavored classes, deporting legal residents based on published op-eds, throwing reporters out of the White House for daring to use the actual name of a body of water. This is a far cry from Biden's misguided attempt to limit real misinformation during a time of a pandemic.
So because your statements are patently false and called out as such you're going to redirect and move on. Way to win in that marketplace of ideas.
Says the party that claims men can get pregnant.
ROFLMAO.
Not our fault that you can't understand the complexities of gender.
Look, you're just imagining that 'the complexities of gender' have anything to do with the question, which has to do with biological sex, not 'gender'.
We're largely uninterested in this construct, 'gender', since it appears to be entirely arbitrary and self-defined.
Totally your fault that you refuse to accept the science of biology.
I'm sure you've been told this before, but "gender" is not the same as "sex." One is a biological issue and the other is a sociological phenomenon. Maybe you should attend one of those classes that Trump is trying to shut down?
Maybe you should attend a biology class or two where they explain that human males cannot get pregnant or give birth.
Or, you can prattle on and demonstrate your ignorance for the whole world to see.
LMFAO.
You're actually too stupid to understand you're the one violating the very distinction you're making, that or it's just deflection because you intend to use the two interchangeably like you're doing here.
"Or the oppose could be true, that being an academic is incompatible with being a conservative."
And we only noticed 25 years ago, after a few centuries of it not being true?
No, about 25 years ago, left-wing academics decided that they'd no longer tolerate the presence of people who disagreed with them, and started a purge by attrition.
There you go, claiming victim status again. Please tell me, how did "left-wing academics" carry out the purge, and how to explain the continued presence of conservative academics, such as none other than our esteemed Josh Blackman?
The left is simply not in control of all academic institutions, and their control at some is incomplete, what's complicated about that?
The vast left-wing conspiracy is simultaneously super strong and coordinated and hidden, and limited in it's power as needed to meet observation.
This is how unfalsifiable conspiracy theories work, not anything real.
Bellmore, how long ago was it when John Stuart Mill commented that conservatives were not always stupid, but stupid people trended conservative?
Mill aside, for millennia agriculture inculcated two lessons:
1. Innovation could be life threatening.
2. Conservatism which discouraged innovation was thus virtuous.
It has now been 100+ years since this nation was peopled mainly by agriculturists. Cultural persistence of those two rules supplies illustration that where rules of survival are concerned, change occurs only over many generations.
People in my generation were raised among a population including many with childhood experience of agricultural life. By which I mean barnyard experience, farm gardening for subsistence, mixed farming for animal husbandry and manuring of crops. Cash crops, subsistence crops, and community barter, all parts of a familiar mix. Resilience in the face of adversity a matter of face-to-face community, and likely of shared religious values as well.
My son's generation encounters almost no one like that. Even inhabitants of rural eras, including those who make their livings raising and selling farm produce, rarely have first-hand experience with anything which would formerly have been recognized as routine agricultural practice, let alone agricultural community.
Any sense is misplaced that these modern industrially-organized agriculturists represent a continuation of that earlier norm, so pervasively practiced. All the methods now in use contradict all the values previously cherished. Innovation is king. Change is the norm. Community is but a fading vestige of ruins scattered among consolidated giant-scale activities.
The sole legacy of that former era seems to be cultural survival of its nostrums, long after the activities they guided have mostly passed from memory. A habit of personal independence was the payoff for submitting to such old-time strictures.
With every passing year, that habit looks less rationally supportable. For those still in touch, it is a painful loss, and inexplicable.
Loyalty to that vision does nothing to better adapt that traditional culture to present realities. And it erects obstacles to adapting present realities to better serve people who still cherish traditional culture. Perhaps your own experience examples those frustrations.
Molly, the middle ceased to hold 20 years ago.
I spent 20 years as an academic - a tenured professor of medicine at one of the top 5 medical schools in the US...
I dispute your allegation that conservatives reject objective facts.
Leftists, not liberals -- they are way too closed minded to ever be considered "liberal."
True.
There's nothing 'liberal' about today's crop of Leftists.
The term "viewpoint diversity" is a farce. The idea was created by conservatives to justify their attempts to introduce their ideological indoctrination into universities. Universities *already* support diverse viewpoints, as anyone who has ever spent any time in one would know.
And it's that diversity that conservatives want to shut down. The term "viewpoint diversity" actually means the opposite. It means "stop allowing all ideas, instead require these specific ideas." It's intellectual DEI, in the worst sense of the word. Conservative "ideas" (if you can call them that) don't have merit on their own, so the only way they can get heard is by cutting down the competition.
And what is an example of a conservative idea that they so desperately want to force on to us? I guess they want an "anti-trans studies" program to counter Gender Studies. That would be what, a class for 3 hours a week to talk about how trans people are mentally deranged?
LOL !
Look man, if you have nothing meaningful to contribute, just step away from the keyboard, go outside, pet a dog. Writing "LOL" is just childish.
LOL!
Intellectual DEI ie diversity of ideas is much more important than DEI for skin color, genitalia, or sexual practice especially when it comes to a place of learning don't you think?
No! We're not going to have a flat-earth seminar just because those guys feel butthurt about not being taken seriously.
There's only one truth.
I consider it highly ironic, that about the time the Catholic church abandoned the doctrine that "error has no rights', the secular left picked it up and ran with it.
"There is only one truth."?
Hm, maybe. But why are you so certain you've found it?
Because Randal and his ilk have the power to silence anyone who says otherwise.
Maybe because science and scholarship is a better way to judge "error" than the the word of a guy in a big hat?
I think, in fact, that science and scholarship are an excellent way to judge error, so long as they are deprived of the power to silence dissent. Science and scholarship are as corruptible as any other human institution, being staffed with humans.
I think, in fact, that science and scholarship are an excellent way to judge error, so long as they are deprived of the power to silence dissent.
As we have seen, the Trump/MAGA right intends a power not only to compel listening by force, but also to institutionalize those forceful tendencies within academia and science. No thanks.
You want to be listened to? Figure out something to say which commands the attention of the audience you intend.
Are you talking about "Dr" Anthony 'I am SCIENCE' Fauci?
LOL
"There is only one truth."?
Hm, maybe. But why are you so certain you've found it?
Oh, the only thing I'm more certain about than that I haven't found it is that you haven't found it.
But I am pretty sure that the way to find it doesn't run through "intellectual DEI." Your ideas will be judged fairly, we don't need to give a boost to bad ideas. Doesn't that whole concept collide directly with one of your main objections to affirmative action, that DEI for conservatives would indelibly mark your ideas as too weak to succeed on their own?
Glad you agree that men cannot have babies.
Welcome to the Right.
LMAO
Males can't have babies.
Men such as Loki can.
https://share.google/t21nlFQuQQrYG1cKr
The conservative argument against DEI, which misunderstands its place in employment policy, is that individuals should be judged on merit and not identity. You seem to be arguing the opposite now: that bad ideas should be rewarded because the presence of bad ideas is in itself good. Do you agree with that?
Not being silenced isn't "reward" to begin with. And what we're denying is that the people who'd be doing the silencing have any special access to which ideas are good and bad.
Don't trash DEI. Despite what the MAGAs believe, DEI is non-discrimination.
And you'll silence anybody who says otherwise.
Like Charlie Kirk.
Tell that to the Asians being excluded from universities.
I agree with you. I invoked DEI only to catch the conservatives in their own hypocrisy. DEI as practiced in employment policy is non-discriminatory because identity is not used as a substitute for merit; conservatives mistakenly believe that it is. The contradiction is that now they want their bad ideas represented in academia simply because the ideas have a "conservative" label on them, regardless of their intellectual merit.
Is there anything you say that is not a straight up lie? Nothing you've written has been anything but a fantasy or straight up inversion of reality and truth.
Someone who doesn’t understand the concepts of “students” and “faculty” at a university doesn’t seem qualified to comment on more complex issues like the merits of viewpoint diversity. Ethan Xu wrote[1]:
Michael Clune claims that Xu was “discussing faculty posts on social media,” apparently unaware that faculty and students are not the same thing.
[1] For those without a New York times subscription: https://dnyuz.com/2025/09/15/i-was-wrong-about-charlie-kirk-six-conservative-students-on-his-killing/
"For those without a New York Times subscription"
I don't have one, but this link worked for me:
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/12/opinion/campus-conservatives-charlie-kirk.html
No no this is all completely wrong.
What happened was, back in the 50s, amidst Civil Rights, America decided to be more egalitarian, especially within higher education. We invented standardized tests, co-education, meritocracy, etc. etc. in order to democratize the benefits of college, which previously had been primarily a privilege of the WASP upper classes.
It basically worked. Several generations on, America is run by a the "elite" class, that is, the smarty-pants people who did well under the meritocracy. We all did what we thought society wanted us to do: work hard, get good grades, go to college, learn to be leaders, and ultimately help identify the promising smarty-pants elites of the next generation and guide them through the meritocracy.
After 75 years of sorting, all the smart people are well off and all the dumdums have been left behind without much in the way of opportunity, even the male children of rich WASPs. Which... was sort of the whole point, so it's not surprising that's what happened.
But now the dumdums are pissed off. That's all this is. MAGA gave them some scapegoats to blame (immigrants, trans, minorities, elites) and some related targets to attack (higher education, the judiciary, government agencies, foreign countries, politicians).
Conservatives aren't interested in truth (obviously). They're interested in regaining their lost social status. Ironically, they think a purer meritocracy will get them there (since that's the grievance that MAGA has implanted in their minds) when in reality, meritocracy is the very thing that caused their downfall.
That's an amusing story, but the SAT wasn't invented in the mid 90's, and the mid 90's is when the universities started their purge.
Ideological diversity in the universities survived well into the meritocratic era, because, surprise: There are plenty of smart conservatives, and dumb liberals, too.
What really did it was a combination of 60's radicals aging into positions of influence, and the '94 election demonstrating that conservatives could win, which meant they'd no longer be viewed as amusing eccentrics by their left-wing colleagues.
You could only tolerate people disagreeing with you so long as you knew they'd lose. As soon as their winning started to look like a real prospect, the left used their modest majority in academia to take over completely everywhere they could, just totally blocking hiring anybody who didn't look like a fellow traveler.
Fan fiction.
None of it established except for in Brett's paranoid mind.
People have been studying party affiliation in academia all along, Sarcastr0. Conservatives were, durably, a large minority in academia as a whole, and a majority in some fields, up until the mid 90's.
Then there was a precipitous decline at many universities, with conservatives going, in the space of a couple of decades, from a very large minority to almost totally absent.
For that to happen those institutions had to almost totally stop hiring new conservatives, as the older ones aged out of the faculty.
Number go up doesn't establish the tale you tell.
Bellmore — Consider the possibility that a late-model, "conservative," is nothing akin to a circa-1960s academic conservative. The latter might still be heavily in demand, if there were any still around. MAGA-style own-the-libs, "conservatives," without another thought in their heads? Not so much.
Yes, this.
Conservatives had held the Presidency for 20 of the prior 24 years in 1992. Conservatives had always been able to "win."
But starting in the 50s and continuing thru MAGA, conservatives slowly went from being intellectual conservatives, concerned with things like tax rates and Ayn Rand, to social and notably anti-intellectual conservatives, concerned only with policing individual behavior like abortion, gay stuff, and disrespecting white people. That and promoting religion (well, Christianity mainly).
In the 50s, Brown kicked off the Civil Rights movement, which aligned intellectual and economic liberals with social justice and conservatives with social injustice / "traditional values."
In the 60s, the Vietnam War added additional pressure, with a cultural chasm opening up between free-love hippies and conservative Americans.
Abortion defined the 70s, with conservatives continuing to gravitate away from individual rights while liberals embraced them. Ayn Rand flips the bit on Republicans... and v.v.
Reagan finalized the deal with the religious right in the 80s. Moral Majority etc. etc.
You're right, Brett, that the 90s was a major inflection point, but it wasn't isolated. It was part of a long trend. It's when conservatives really gave up any claim on intellectualism and became wholly populist. Rush Limbaugh had been around for a while but this was his heyday. Contract with America, etc. etc. Notably, Clinton and the Democrats took this opportunity to claim some of conservativism's abandoned intellectual territory, shifting much more libertarian than they had been. "The era of big government is over."
The 2000s saw anti-intellectual conservative populism continue with the Tea Party, which in the 2010s morphed into MAGA (and 4chan and Q-Anon and all the other Christianity-adjacent cults). And here we are.
And all that time, the meritocracy was pushing smart people up in society, who are inherently pro-intellectual, and who tended to get much broader life experience at the same time, interacting with a diverse cross-section of people, moving to cities, learning how to be effective leaders and movers and shakers. Liberalism and its outward, hopeful focus has had much more appeal to that set of people than conservatism's inward fear and disdain for curiosity.
So yeah, it's as Lathrop said. Higher education didn't abandon conservatives, conservatives abandoned higher education.
Longer fan fiction is still fan fiction.
Uli doesn't care about anything.
Universities can still bend the civic arc if they return to their first vocation: truth-seeking through contestation.
Doubtful: professors are rewarded based on paper production, not whether their research has any merit, is repeatable, is testable, or stands the test of time.
Truth seeking requires adopting the gold standards of science, like testability and repeatability and double blind randomized studies. Most research these days is not repeatable. Its almost like theoretical physicists these days go out of their way to produce theories with fancy particles but that aren't testable.
I had some small hope that such studies would grow in the field of economics. Trouble is, those studies didn't support the desired ideological outcomes (where are my Oregon Health Care Experiment people lol). I know, right now you are looking for that randomized study that shows whether incentives and restrictions in the SNAP food program (incentives to buy fruit/vegetables and restrictions on high sugar foods like candy) improve health outcomes.
Truth seeking doesn't care what side if the aisle your on. That could be a problem if it shows that tossing government money at problem or giving the teachers union a monopoly on education leads to poor outcomes.
dwb68, is this the experiment you’re referring to?
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10445793/
https://bfi.uchicago.edu/insights/the-effect-of-medicaid-on-crime-evidence-from-the-oregon-health-insurance-experiment/
This thread has made something clear to me about the motives behind MAGA.
A lot of people here are convinced universities are responsible for top-down social change; change these people don't like.
I suppose believing changes you don't like gotta be imposed makes sense if you've got a fundamentally authoritarian view of society.
This not only explains the attacks on universities that look a lot more like revenge than reform, it explains the same treatment of the government. Someone's got to be causing these changes!
It's wrong, of course.
No one needs to be causing change. Societies change. Throwing a destructive tantrum won't actually change the things you resent. It's just a tantrum.
You seem to be making a big jump from "I haven't seen proof that this change was forced from the top down" to "It absolutely wasn't forced from the top down."
And then from there to a psychological diagnosis of anybody who thinks contrary to you on the topic.
I'm saying you and some others here like you, are convinced without any proof that changes you don't like are imposed top down, because that's your worldview.
And you're acting accordingly - trying to destroy every institution that could be responsible.
Liberal societies don't work like that. No matter how illiberal you get, you're not going to put things back. You can make a lot of people miserable. Maybe even wreck this country.
But you're not going to change the things you hate about American culture.
Because we're not set up like that.
Wow. That Lisa Siraganian is a bad writer and a worse thinker. Why do they tolerate that sort of obviously erroneous viewpoint on college campuses?
Or was her essay actually brilliant satire? It's such a fine line between stupid and uh... clever.