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My Remarks at the Harvard Vigil
On Charlie Kirk, violence, and speech.
There's been some press coverage—The Harvard Crimson, Boston Globe—of the Charlie Kirk vigil last night at Harvard, where I spoke alongside several students as well as my colleagues Randy Kennedy and Adrian Vermeule. I thought I'd recount my remarks here to give them full context, as well as to give credit where credit's due. Below is the prepared text, adjusted to match its delivery, as best I can remember it:
Thank you.
I want to confess that I was a little apprehensive in accepting your invitation to speak.
First, I was worried that it would be presumptuous, as I feel that I know so much less of Charlie Kirk's life and work than so many of you do. I deeply appreciate the students who have spoken today.
Second, I was apprehensive that in a place like Harvard, mourning Charlie Kirk would make one a target of opprobrium or disgust. There are some who believe those deeply moved by Kirk's murder, the widowing of his wife, and the fatherlessness of his children, shouldn't be so moved unless they're willing to take as their own every statement Kirk made and every position Kirk held. Charlie Kirk helped to put on the table on college campuses a wide range of conservative views; that's why so many people are here, who don't all agree about everything. I feel that no one here should feel it their burden to defend everything that other people might believe in order to mourn his unjust death. In that, I'd agree with Jonathan Adler, who noted that one can be a martyr without having to be a saint.
Third, I was apprehensive that it could make one a more literal target, that there could be some wacko out there. As to that, Kirk's example is one of very real courage—not just physical courage, knowing the sort of threats he faced, but intellectual courage, the kind that's necessary to stand under a sign that reads "prove me wrong" and take the very real risk that the next person to step up to the microphone might do just that.
Kirk was, certainly, a gifted communicator. And some think that it's by the gifts of such communicators that a political or intellectual movement thrives or fails. That may be true—in the short run. But in the long run, what makes more difference is the courage to pursue the truth, the courage that leads you to seek out the chance to be proven wrong.
Scott Alexander once wrote that a short-term "focus on transmission" may be
part of the problem. Everyone … knows that they are right. The only remaining problem is how to convince others. Go on Facebook and you will find a million people with a million different opinions, each confident in her own judgment, each zealously devoted to informing everyone else.
Instead, he writes,
… Debate is difficult and annoying. It doesn't scale. It only works on the subset of people who are willing to talk to you in good faith and smart enough to understand the issues involved. And even then, it only works glacially slowly, and you win only partial victories. What's the point?
Logical debate has one advantage over narrative, rhetoric, and violence: it's an asymmetric weapon. That is, it's a weapon which is stronger in the hands of the good guys than in the hands of the bad guys. In ideal conditions (which may or may not ever happen in real life) … the good guys will be able to present stronger evidence, cite more experts, and invoke more compelling moral principles. The whole point of logic is that, when done right, it can only prove things that are true.
Violence, by contrast,
is a symmetric weapon; the bad guys' punches hit just as hard as the good guys' do. … [H]opefully the good guys will be more popular than the bad guys, and so able to gather more soldiers. But … the good guys will only be more popular … insofar as their ideas have previously spread through some means other than violence. …
Unless you use asymmetric weapons, the best you can hope for is to win by coincidence…. Overall you should average out to a 50% success rate. When you win, it'll be because you got lucky.
Remember, he writes,
You are not completely immune to facts and logic. But you have been wrong about things before. You may be a bit smarter than the people on the other side. You may even be a lot smarter. But fundamentally their problems are your problems, and the same kind of logic that convinced you can convince them. It's just going to be a long slog. You didn't develop your opinions after a five-minute shouting match. You developed them after years of education and acculturation and engaging with hundreds of books and hundreds of people. Why should they be any different? …
All of this is too slow and uncertain for a world that needs more wisdom now. It would be nice to force the matter, to pelt people with speeches and documentaries until they come around. This will work in the short term. In the long term, it will leave you back where you started.
If you want people to be right more often than chance, you have to teach them ways to distinguish truth from falsehood. If this is in the face of enemy action, you will have to teach them so well that they cannot be fooled. You will have to do it person by person until the signal is strong and clear. You will have to raise the sanity waterline. There is no shortcut.
I hope that Kirk's example will help remind us of this—of the need for the courage to pursue the truth, person by person—and that, zichrono livracha, his memory will be a blessing.
Thank you.
(updated 12:42 p.m. to add the names of other speakers)
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Well stated.
Guess nobody murdered you. At Harvard that’s not a sure thing.
Way to frame it as good vs evil, smart vs dumb. Very heartfelt and a good way to remember Charlie Kirk’s legacy.
Courage is a word we use for extremists we agree with. I remember a time when there as a big discussion because someone had called terrorists courageous. (Probably some kind of islamic terrorist.) That was definitely not allowed at the time, and probably wouldn't be today.
As far as I can tell Charlie Kirk was a peaceful extremist. Which is definitely better than the violent kind, but it exactly explains the nature of his "courage". Calling for gay people to be stoned to death, for example, certainly requires a kind of courage, but it is hardly something to be applauded.
We are all Charlie Kirk
Except for you, you weren’t chosen.
It was Bill Maher who rejected the President's claim that the 9/11 terrorists were cowards, only a few weeks after the attacks. He got into a lot of trouble for that.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=121312&page=1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politically_Incorrect
(ABC cancelled his show, which is how he ended up exiled back to cable.)
Does take some Cohones to sacrifice yourself in a murderous attack, still Evil. Not really what this fuck did.
What's the thought here? You're still going to lie and defame Charlie Kirk and distort his views but you're going to tone it down and call him a "peaceful" extremist"? Would that be like calling others "peaceful" nazis? More of the same garbage here, just pretending to be "civil." "Rather than engaging in substantive debate, the Left weaponizes historical atrocities to frame their adversaries as dangerous extremists. This practice has its roots in communist propaganda and has evolved into a powerful tool of psychological manipulation, ensuring that anyone who questions progressive ideology is immediately put on the defensive." https://selsey.substack.com/p/the-leftist-tactic-of-labeling-opponents
Look, the bot has yet another preprogrammed response that doesn't say anything substantive at all, and manages to make retarded claims like "framing their adversaries as dangerous extremists … has its roots in communist propaganda," which is something that only those programmed to use "Marxist" and "communist" as all-purpose epithets could say with a straight face, and is only off by several thousand years.
Good to see you're just as oblivious as ever but I'm glad you chimed in crazy Dave. I'd like to ask your take on this. Many on the left are not just intolerant and stupid, like you, many are embracing political violence. A piece by John Hinderaker from PL blog recently discussed a Rutgers University survey from April:
Rutgers found that only 45% of those who described themselves as liberal (including those who said they were “slightly liberal”) think that assassinating President Trump would be “not at all justified.” A majority saw some justification, and an appalling 13% said that killing Trump would be “completely justified.” No wonder that two people, so far, have tried to do it.
Thoughts, such as they are for you, crazy Dave?
"Calling for gay people to be stoned to death, for example,"
Lying to justify a murder is a leftie thing, clearly.
What you wrote here is, you know, absolutely false.
He was a moderate mainstream conservative as far as I can tell.
Well, you are huge Breitbart fan so I’m not sure you are the best judge of normal conservative.
Either you don't tell very well, or "moderate mainstream conservative" means something else entirely.
Kirk's own words indicate that he was by no means moderate, and if he is what passes for mainstream conservatism, it is no longer a position worthy of respect.
" Calling for gay people to be stoned to death" Not true.
In 2024, Kirk criticized a YouTuber (“Ms. Rachel”) for using the Bible’s command “love your neighbor” in support of Pride.
In that same context, he quoted a lesser-known part of Leviticus (Leviticus 18) which says that “if a man lies with another man … he shall be stoned to death.” He used that to argue that Christians are being inconsistent when they cite parts of the Bible favoring LGBTQ people while ignoring harsher scriptural passages."
That was Kirk's criticism of Christianity, not support. Yours is yet another out-of-context quote.
Premeditated suicide for a cause is problematic in determining whether it is courageous to do so or not. Going into a violent situation may take courage or it may not. It depends on the person and the time allowed for the decision to be made. Complexities abound, but I'd reason that the elements of extremism are an Old World thing, for where else is there a long history of it ?
Yes, I have this bias against the Old World and for good reason as it is historically a violent place with no change it sight.
Justifying violence is much easier than reframing from the act. Courage in committing to violence may be a one time thing where further violence becomes easier for some people. With Non-Violent Struggle, the hope is those engaging in violence will tire of it over time because violence, for normal people, is harmful for both sides and becomes abhorrent especially when the violence is not reciprocal.
Not reciprocating violence takes a lot more courage than blowing oneself up.
Notable in not actually referencing any particular viewpoint or "truth" that Kirk propounded or proved true.
For the Right Kirk, and his tragic death, will continue to live forever as proof that they win debates, without actually having to prove they won any particular debate.
For the Left, Kirk proves that when they cant win debates, they murder you.
I had not paid much attention to Kirk before, and had the impression that he was another political commentator of the sort I might agree with on a lot of things, but would not find particularly interesting to listen to, as it would be more of a sort of talk radio mass market product. I was expecting it to be more shallow. This may be in part because I formed initial impressions when he was really young and first started getting famous.
But after watching some clips now I'm surprised and impressed by his breadth and depth of knowledge, articulate communication, and most of all his energy and accomplishments. Someone said he would have been president some day. Quite plausible. Also surprising is how impactful this event was to me personally. And there is something different about how this is impacting millions of others. He's definitely an inspiration and a light.
Breadth of knowledge? In the clips I saw, he repeatedly cited facts that didn't actually exist, only to spin away with some smartass response. To quote somebody else:
"This gets to something that as a former stand-up I recognized but couldn’t name. A 31 year old professional content creator baiting 19 year old amateurs into the format of his choice isn’t debate, it’s crowd work. It’s debate-shaped crowd work farmed for content."
You guys confuse "debate" with spectacles of proclamation and contradiction. It's like Python's Argument Clinic.
A debate, for example, of Kirk about the covid vaccine would be meaningless because he doesn't actually know that much about RNA, and anything he said about it would be likely cherry picked from somebody who didn't know much more.
Im surprised shame hasn't kept you away today.
Your falling hook, line, and sinker for the MAGAvMAGA lie didnt make you self reflect even a little bit?
Does self-reflection come with having a soul and an inner monologue? Maybe thats why you are posting here today.
Democrat Supremacists have neither.
What would I be ashamed of? Noting that Tyler had Groyper links?
And in the end, what does it matter? The Right intends to use Kirk's death to justify crushing the left regardless of what Tyler's actual motivations were.
Wait until you find out he was living with his tranny boyfriend and they've identified six or more trannies involved in the plot. A real life tranny conspiracy.
We are all Charlie Kirk. We all could be Charlie Kirk.
I saw this said the other day and I cant stop thinking about it.
They dont kill us because we are literal Nazis (we arent), they call us Nazis because they want to kill us.
Very courageous to publicly speak out in support of Charlie.
You put your life on the line. Literally.
Given the rarity of political violence, the courage is more imagined than real.
Like your sanity
If it is confirmed that the killer was indeed a groyper, I don't think it will make a difference to the new right's sense of grievance (an emotion now elevated to a sacrament)/ They will feel that at some level it was still somehow caused by The Left (tm). Maybe a few will have just enough honesty to concede that the killer was homegrown, but even they will probably resort to the "lone wolf crazy" line.
The assassination of Kirk was (clearly) wrong and regrettable, but the zeal which the right here and elsewhere are trying to make him a saint indicates that the right aren't too concerned about the salient question of the killer's motive.
The killer was pissed because Charlie didn’t approve of the killers boyfriends “Transition”, don’t remember Charlie shooting anyone in the neck.
"confirmed"
There is zero evidence to confirm. You are desparate.
Groyper-memed phrases hardly counts as zero evidence.
>If it is confirmed that the killer was indeed a groyper,
Is anyone surprised the news of the killer's tranny boyfriend/roommate and the coven of trannies who were premediating it and plotting this hasn't made down to the likes of SRG2 or botaglove?
Like someone else said, these people have this and they will never let it go. 10 years from they will still be claiming Kirk was killed by a groyper for not being fascist enough.