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Trump's Flag-Burning Executive Order
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Yesterday President Donald Trump signed a new executive order on the "burning of the American flag." As usual, the president decided to freelance a bit while signing the executive order in front of the cameras and declared that "you burn a flag, you get one year in jail." Now that would be an interesting executive order! But fortunately, the order he signed does not actually say that. In fact, it is so hemmed in by legal qualifications that it does not do much of anything at all. Other than, of course, provide the president with the opportunity to hold a press conference and excite his fans with some patriotic bluster.
What does the executive order actually do?
It begins by insisting
Notwithstanding the Supreme Court's rulings on First Amendment protections, the Court has never held that American Flag desecration conducted in a manner that is likely to incite imminent lawless action or that is an action amounting to "fighting words" is constitutionally protected. See Texas v. Johnson, 491 U.S. 397, 408-10 (1989).
As a legal tactic, this is unlikely to get anywhere new. The Court was clear that flag-burning as such is a constitutionally expressive activity despite the fact that such expression might well arouse intense passions. Existing precedent cannot be so easily avoided by simply declaring that burning a flag is a form of fighting words. The "fighting words" doctrine is a nearly moribund exception to traditional First Amendment protections, but the logic of the Court's earlier flag burning opinions indicate that burning a flag cannot in itself be taken as a form of fighting words even if it is likely to arouse anger in observers. Similarly, burning an American flag as such cannot, consistent with precedent, be understood as incitement.
But the order's follow-through on that statement is modest.
My Administration will act to restore respect and sanctity to the American Flag and prosecute those who incite violence or otherwise violate our laws while desecrating this symbol of our country, to the fullest extent permissible under any available authority.
If you happen to violate the law while also burning a flag, then you are likely to be prosecuted for violating the law -- but not for burning a flag. The flag-burning adds nothing to the otherwise unlawful behavior, and flag-burning cannot in itself convert lawful behavior into unlawful behavior.
But then the order gives some directives, as executive orders are supposed to do.
The Attorney General shall prioritize the enforcement to the fullest extent possible of our Nation's criminal and civil laws against acts of American Flag desecration that violate applicable, content-neutral laws, while causing harm unrelated to expression, consistent with the First Amendment. This may include, but is not limited to, violent crimes; hate crimes, illegal discrimination against American citizens, or other violations of Americans' civil rights; and crimes against property and the peace, as well as conspiracies and attempts to violate, and aiding and abetting others to violate, such laws.
So maybe this is sets some prosecutorial priorities. If you burn a flag while engaging in criminal activity, you get bumped to the front of the line for prosecution for that criminal activity. But this section of the executive order recognizes that the administration cannot invent new exceptions to well-established First Amendment principles regarding protected political expression, whether that expression takes the form of burning a flag or anything else.
And then there's this:
In cases where the Department of Justice or another executive department or agency (agency) determines that an instance of American Flag desecration may violate an applicable State or local law, such as open burning restrictions, disorderly conduct laws, or destruction of property laws, the agency shall refer the matter to the appropriate State or local authority for potential action.
This might well encourage some local prosecutorial overreach, which courts will then have to correct. It might also send a signal to police to engage in the unlawful practice of arresting flag-burners for lawful activities even though nothing can come from the arrest. Prosecutors and magistrates might immediately let those arrestees go and decline to bring forward any charges or further punishment, but in the meantime a protester has been illegally, if briefly, detained.
Then there's a directive to the Department of Justice to engage in some precedent-setting litigation.
To the maximum extent permitted by the Constitution, the Attorney General shall vigorously prosecute those who violate our laws in ways that involve desecrating the American Flag, and may pursue litigation to clarify the scope of the First Amendment exceptions in this area.
Good luck with that. The First Amendment has already been pretty well clarified on this question, and this is a very free-speech friendly Court. There's no evidence that the justices have any interest in reconsidering the holding in the flag burning cases.
But perhaps most consequential is this:
The Secretary of State, the Attorney General, and the Secretary of Homeland Security, acting within their respective authorities, shall deny, prohibit, terminate, or revoke visas, residence permits, naturalization proceedings, and other immigration benefits, or seek removal from the United States, pursuant to Federal law, including 8 U.S.C. 1182(a), 8 U.S.C. 1424, 8 U.S.C. 1427, 8 U.S.C. 1451(c), and 8 U.S.C. 1227(a), whenever there has been an appropriate determination that foreign nationals have engaged in American Flag-desecration activity under circumstances that permit the exercise of such remedies pursuant to Federal law.
The executive order does not create any new bases for deporting a foreign national, but the order does potentially move flag burners to the front of the line in deportation cases.
The executive order is all about the vibes, and I'm sure many politicians and interest groups on both ends of the political spectrum will use this to energize the base and raise some more small-dollar donations. It does not, however, do much of anything to change existing law or policy.
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Mandating prosecutorial discretion have a content-based bias seems a problem to me.
Kinda like Batson, where even a choice with really broad discretion can be tilted in an unconstitutional way, except here there's even clear intent.
Could you flesh this out a bit?
Prosecutors have wide discretion, and a presumption of regularity.
But that doesn't mean a top-down order to use that discretion to prioritize certain speech is not punishing that speech. That seems impermissible speech-based state action.
Especially since given limited resources prioritization is often tantamount to targeting.
Like how in an at-will jurisdiction you can fire someone for any reason, except if that reason is proven to be one of those forbidden. Burden is on the fired person to prove it, but here it's in black-and-white text.
Better, thank you.
"But that doesn't mean a top-down order to use that discretion to prioritize certain speech is not punishing that speech."
I oppose hate-crime aggravators, but those are legislation, not an executive prioritization of prosecutorial resources.
I'm developing reservations about prosecutorial discretion too.
I also do not like them, but hate-crime aggravators is about intent not about content of speech.
I'm a big fan of discretion myself, but it's never meant immunity from Constitutional prohibitions.
"hate-crime aggravators is about intent not about content of speech."
I don't agree with that.
Speech can be evidence, but the statutes I've seen do not target speech.
And same would apply to the intent revealed by burning a US flag, right?
Can you elaborate? In the hate crime context, just saying offensive things isn't itself a crime. If you say a bunch of racist stuff while beating someone up, then it's used as evidence that the reason you're beating them up is because of racial animus, which makes it a hate crime.
So what's the analogy here? Burning a flag itself is protected speech, but if you burn it while murdering a bunch of people then its terrorism? Fine with me, I guess. Not sure how it's relevant to Trump's executive order, though.
"Saying offensive things" is reportable in many states. https://freebeacon.com/policy/inside-state-run-bias-response-hotlines-where-fellow-citizens-can-report-your-offensive-joke/
It was talked about here:
https://reason.com/volokh/2025/01/25/inside-state-run-bias-response-hotlines-where-fellow-citizens-can-report-your-offensive-joke/
From a hate crime to just reportable.
Not saying reportable is great, but you've got yerself some new goalposts here, sir.
Maybe we can put together a database...for future use. In case. In case a crime is committed and we want to make it a hate crime. Sure, we can't use character evidence to prove someone committed a crime, but, "hate" crime isn't always a crime by itself--it is an enhancement to the punishment for the underlying actual crime. Or, maybe, we just keep the database to be used against witnesses who want to testify against (whatever the database holder's) purpose is.
As the Maryland AG office wrote (in the Free Beacon article):
>"People who engage in bias incidents may eventually escalate into criminal behavior," reads a report from the Maryland attorney general’s office, which maintains its own bias reporting system. By collecting data on those incidents, states say they can predict where hate crimes will occur and develop strategies for combating them.
So this is fan fiction now.
I'm not supportive of reporting like this; it chills speech. But you're way ahead of the facts here.
A bag left under a seat is reportable. That doesn't make it a crime.
Would there be a problem if the administration, rather than saying crimes with flags are still crimes; said, we'll just create a database for reporting of flag burning? If it's not a crime, what's the harm? (Unless some administration wanted to use it for immigration/entry purposes or something.) But as Sarcastr0 says, that's just fan fiction.
Not that I’d be in favor of it, but could burning a flag add to the penalties for other criminal behavior, in the same way that otherwise 1st Amendment protected comments can turn an ordinary mugging into a hate crime?
My take: if racial animus can be an aggravating factor in a crime, then so can unpatriotic animus. I oppose hate-crime factors, but that ship has sailed.
A parallel with fighting words.
Bigger picture, though, this is a troll.
The OP finds the fighting word bit to be pretext; I'm inclined to agree.
of course you would so incline.
You aren't wrong! I find it kind of offensive the government thinks this kind of authoritarian flex would be politically advantageous.
That kind of nationalism always struck me as weak and fearful.
"we apply the limitations of the Constitution with no fear that freedom to be intellectually and spiritually diverse or even contrary will disintegrate the social organization."
Anwho, here's the OP's point: "As a legal tactic, this is unlikely to get anywhere new."
That seems a pretty good evisceration of that bit of the EO.
No, burning your own American flag cannot be a basis to enhance the penalty of criminal behavior.
The proper analogy is burning someone else's American flag is vandalism and if you targeted that flag because the owner was an American, you can get an enhanced penalty.
By this logic, why ever bring a facial challenge to an unconstitutional law?
Not only his fans are excited. The Boston Globe dutifully reported that Trump had violated the constitution.
The order is a nullity. He can't do it by executive order.
He can absolutely do it, since "it" is just directing them to enforce existing laws.
At the end of the day, what does he get out of this?
A bunch of libs burning the US flag.
The optics that he wants and is guaranteed to get.
Well if they are stupid enough to give it to him. Wait, they are.
A bunch of libs screaming about how they hate America and any respect for our nation is Nazi behavior? Yeah, that probably comes out fine since this isn't new law just updated priorities.
Best case we get a couple of Dem cities or colleges turning their own downtowns/quads into Iranian protests against America and they get hit with violating environmental regs.
If you follow this reasoning, my smashing your face in for burning an American Flag should be protected free speech. I know that it isn't, but, it should be.
No that's not how the reasoning works in this case.
Now, it can sometimes work like that. If a state adopted a policy of only prosecuting people who punch anti-abortion protesters and not those who punch pro-abortion protesters while maintaining that they totes have a viewpoint neutral 'no punching people' law - then in that case your prosecution might be illegal view point discrimination.
But there's not the case here. There's no view point discriminating policy about punching people at play vis flags, let alone one written down in black and white like Trump just did.
Trump issuing an unconstitutional order is kinda of a big deal. Deporting people for exercising their free speech rights is unconstitutional. Ordering prosecutors to file pretext charges against flag burners is unconstitutional.
This order is about Trump telling protesters that he will come after them no matter what. This is fascism.
This order is NOT about Trump telling protesters that he will come after them "no matter what".
It's him telling protesters that he will come after them "if they violate applicable laws".
I realize this is a point left-wingers seem to have some trouble with, but it IS perfectly possible to politically protest without breaking laws. People on the right manage to routinely pull it off. I've done it myself, when I was younger.
Just a few years ago I was in downtown Greenville, and BLM came marching down Main street. And, you know what? They didn't smash a single window, didn't set so much as a trash can on fire.
So I know for an absolute fact the left, too, can protest without breaking laws, if they want to.
So, here's my suggestion, if you're worried about this EO: If you're in the mood to burn a flag, make sure it's your own flag, and you do so in compliance with local burn laws. And you won't have a single thing to worry about.
Flag burning is legal. Trump going after flag burners is Trump going after legal protesters.
Sure, flag burning, as such, is legal.
OTOH, if I break into a flag store, and set their stock on fire, it's still a crime.
If I wait until it's 95 degrees, 25mph wind, and hasn't rained in weeks, and we're under a burn ban, and burn a flag, it's still a crime.
So, just like almost anything else, whether a particular instance of flag burning is legal depends.
And the EO expressly, explicitly, in no way vaguely, is directed only to instances of flag burning that aren't legal.
The supposed legality of flag-burning is based on a 5-4 Scotus decision. We have 9 new justices now.
I don't see the votes on the Court for ruling that flag burning, by itself, can be a crime.
Really? This is the court that gives Trump just about whatever he wants. Removing the protection on flag burning would be one of the least crazy Trump-ass-kissing act they have done.
Brett,
If they can't pretend they're living in The Handmaid's Tale, then wtf are they going to do for the next 3.5 years?
At least give them that, you monster.
So, here's a question
Adolfo Martinez got 15 years in prison for stealing and burning a pride flag.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50861259
Let's say the same happens, but with an American flag. Is that also a 15 year sentence? Why or why not?
"He was found guilty last month of hate crime harassment, reckless use of fire and being a habitual offender."
It didn't matter which flag he set on fire.
“Reckless use of fire” is a crime??
Iowa Code Section 712.5
Reckless use of fire, explosives, or destructive devices. Any person who uses fire, explosives, or destructive devices to recklessly endanger the property or safety of another shall be guilty of a serious misdemeanor.
Serious misdemeanor = 15 years?
There were other charges. 15 years seems excessive for what he did, but it was not nothing.
From the article:
"Police say the crime spree began at Dangerous Curves, a strip club, when police were called because a man was making threats. By the time they arrived, he had already been kicked out by bar staff.
After leaving the club, Martinez then travelled to the church and ripped down its flag. He then returned to the strip club where he used lighter fluid to burn the flag in the street. He also threatened to burn down the bar."
The gay flag part was only part of it. Threatening to burn down the bar was the more serious part.
“Basically, he was looking at three years but as soon as he opened his mouth and said 'This is why I did it,' he gave them the motivation of why it occurred and he turned it into a hate crime,” said Drake University Law Professor Bob Rigg, who reviewed the case at the Register’s request.
The hate crime status bumped the arson charge from an aggravated misdemeanor to a felony, which carries a more severe sentence. And because the arson conviction was a felony, the habitual offender enhancement also applied, further increasing the sentence.
Iowa District Associate Judge Steven Van Marel ordered Martinez to serve the sentences consecutively. If Van Marel had ordered him to serve the sentences concurrently, they would have totaled 15 years, a slight reduction. "
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/2019/12/20/police-guard-iowa-church-center-hate-crime-uproar-after-lgbtq-flag-burned/2713216001/
So, the actual attempted arson was only a misdemeanor and would've been 3 years. But the "hate crime" turned it into a felony. Arguably, the "gay flag" part meant adding another 12 years. One might argue that the gay flag part was the more serious part
What if it was a US flag instead? And a similar "hate crime" law was applied?
I love how you guys only get mad about excessive sentences when they get applied to rednecks. The rest of the time, you cheer it on as part of being tough on crime.
But yes, 15 years seems like a lot.
"applied to rednecks"
Adolfo Martinez, redneck
There's a picture too.
Perhaps an unintended consequence of the "white Hispanic" gambit.
They're expanding the meaning of "redneck", like they expanded the meaning of "woman".
And they wonder why Democrats are losing the Hispanic vote suddenly...
"There's a picture too."
Exactly. They call those tank tops wifebeaters for a reason.
According to the linked article upthread he burned the flag in the street, using lighter fluid.
It's not clear which of those would realistically constitute reckless endangerment, and similarly unclear why they wouldn't apply equally to burning an American flag in the street using lighter fluid. Like, say, this guy.
Can it really be that easy to wire around such bedrock constitutionally protected speech via a generic, squishy statute?
He was found guilty last month of hate crime harassment, reckless use of fire and being a habitual offender.
Yeah, habitual offender laws are problematic.
Oh hey you left that part out, and the reckless use of fire bit, when you posted your red meat clickbait.
I'm not sure if you just read headlines, or are yourself a propagandist. In the end, it's the same dishonest result.
Just for the record.
Molitov Cocktail a police car..1 year.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/27/us/george-floyd-protests-second-lawyer-prison#:
Burn a gay flag...15 years.
Different states have different sentences for different crimes? Who knew!
Set a fire and murder someone in a pawn shop, 10 years.
https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/rochester-man-sentenced-10-years-for-arson-of-minneapolis-pawn-shop
"Yeah, habitual offender laws are problematic."
My first sentence. Did you fail to read it?
I haven't seen anyone disagree with the 15 years being a lot here, Armchair.
Just not everyone is turning the guy into a martyr of the hating gay people movement.
The habitual offender law isn't really the problem.
If it hadn't been classified as a hate crime, it never would have reached the point of a felony, and there wouldn't have been any offender law enhancement.
If they start treating burning American flags as hate crimes, I think you're gonna see a lot of long, long jail sentences.
If there wasn't a habitual offender law, there wouldn't have been any enhancement either.
You're just picking your but-for cause so you can smooth this messier case into an excuse to deflect.
If they start treating burning American flags as hate crimes, I think you're gonna see a lot of long, long jail sentences.
Well, the OP disagrees with you.
The enhanced penalty was because Martinez targeted this flag because he thought its owner was either gay or had an association with gays. The same would apply if the it was an American flag. The same would apply if Martinez targeted a flag because he thought its owner was either an American or had an association with Americans.
"The same would apply if Martinez targeted a flag because he thought its owner was either an American or had an association with Americans."
No, there would be a misdemeanor charge at best.
Agreed. Normally it would be a misdemeanor at most.
But, hypothetically, let's say federal prosecutors take Trump at his word. And decide to charge people burning American Flags like they did for this individual who burned a pride flag. To the maximum extent possible. They treat it as a hate crime aimed at Americans, and use sentencing enhancements to really crack down.
Would that be illegal? Or pass muster?
It is still viewpoint-based selective prosecution.
The way to understand this is that Trump conceives of the presidency as a reality TV show where he is the hero and every day is an episode where he has to go out and vanquish some enemy.
Yes, this is childish, and yes it is impulsive, and yes there is often no followup or considerations of possible unwanted side effects.
Tomorrow he'll be on to something else, equally childish and impulsive and poorly thought out. Maybe he'll demand 10% of Cracker Barrel.
Another way to understand it is that Trump has realized that literally all he has to do, to prompt Democrats to go do something stupidly self-destructive, is to tell them that they can't.
Deflecting to 'this is such good politics' whenever Trump does something lawless and unconstitutional doesn't actually absolve Trump for being lawless and unconstitutional.
It's just leveraging your lack of principles and partisan political instincts into a new type of MAGA apologia.
I'm not sure that defending speech plays well outside the ever resentful MAGA 'I mistake nationalism for patriotism' crowd.
Deflecting to 'this is such good politics' whenever Trump does something lawless and unconstitutional doesn't actually absolve Trump for being lawless and unconstitutional.
Correct. It does not. But your beef is he just hasn't learned to play the game of rationalizations to justify using government against political enemies, faceting concern for rule of law.
Until now. No more! ????
As is the case, Republicans are learning. For example, you used the Supreme Court to legalize abortions, something I agreed with, stating deep eternalities about it. They then saw how the game was played, and started a 50 year effort to change the court, exposing it as a rationalization power center.
Having achieved that half-century long goal, you then tried to change the rules, loudly promising to The People to pack the court, exposing it as captured power center, which, of course, everyone on both sides knew it was all along.
Do you think they'll take another 50 years to mess with court packing to benefit themselves, sitting idly by this time?
All these behaviors this quad are playing the facetious game of concern for rule of law, to justify wielding power against opponents. He learned from his first four years, and the next four after that.
All his overreaches, up through yesteday's flag pronouncent, and firing a Fed governor, use this cool kids technique of concern for rule of law!
You built this stinky bed. Now we all have to live in it.
Thanks!
It has no legal legs, neither does most of what he has ICE doing. If you are a Dem and you fly a US flag upside down, that will be treated as grounds to deport you now.
Than you for proving yet again just how stupid and dishonest the average Dem is.
What happens if you burn a flag while asking questions about Rapey Don's time with hanging with Rich Epstein?
The "fighting words" doctrine is a nearly moribund exception to traditional First Amendment protections
"Them's fightin' woids!" is, logically speaking, a defense for someone who popped someone else in the nose. "He deliberately pushed my buttons so hard I punched him!"
It does not follow that government gets the honor of banning such speech just because a punch might result. The purpose of speech is to have an effect on others, including outrage.
This is distinct from powerful exhortations to lawless action. The button pusher knows what they're deliberately getting into. We The People did not authorize government to allow us to silence our opposition because of this fancy version of a heckler's veto.
"The "fighting words" doctrine is a nearly moribund exception to traditional First Amendment protections
"Them's fightin' woids!" is, logically speaking, a defense for someone who popped someone else in the nose. "He deliberately pushed my buttons so hard I punched him!"
It does not follow that government gets the honor of banning such speech just because a punch might result. The purpose of speech is to have an effect on others, including outrage."
Perhaps that is why the doctrine is indeed moribund.
The OP notes the "vibes" might encourage prosecutorial overreach.
It is a wink and a nod toward the violation of protected speech.
To the extent it will encourage (or is problematic already) something in violation of precedent, what else is new?
As to SCOTUS not being in the mood to change it, that alone isn't the problem. They aren't in the mood to actively push back against him either. This troll, and it is a troll, is likely also to have some actual effects. Small as they might be.
Even if it was mere symbolism, it is a problem because it encourages unconstitutional [and otherwise bad] things.
Political engagement done to work against that sort of thing, along with all the other bad things he is doing, is sensible.
It's always funny how Democrats see following their lead as "problematic" or "breaking norms". In this case you've pushed hate crimes and harsh punishments for the sole crime of disrespecting the sacred pride flag but now find prioritizing crimes involving flag burning to be an outrage. Fuck off with your repressive tolerance and crocodile tears.
'Dems bad justifies the means' is the song of someone with no integrity.
And the two things are not analogous. Equating unequal things so you can blame Dems for making you do bad stuff is transparent to everyone but you.
You're mad at Dems because you are told to be mad.; you support breaking stuff because you're told it's good to break that stuff.
Not hard to see where this ends, and what you're enabling.
I just want to point the following out.
A while back, I heard about a great Eagle Scout project. I loved it. Everyone loved it. Do you know what it was? He built a flag retirement box for a municipality. That way, old American flags could be disposed of correctly.
What is a flag retirement box? Why, it's a burn box. It's where the American Legion conducts flag-burning ceremonies.
Obviously, that's a good thing, right? In fact, this was done even when there were statutes that criminalized flag burning (many of them are still on the books, they just can't be enforced).
So if this is fine (duh), why do people get mad when other people burn American flags? Burning a flag is perfectly fine, right? Could it be because ... there is a different message when ... those people (ahem) are burning the flag?
*sigh* Something tells me that the Venn Diagram of "People who think dirty hippies should get life in prison for burnin' Ol' Glory," "People who wear the American Flag on ratty t-shirts and cut-off jeans," and "People who think Quran burnings are awesome, and snowflakes need to get over it 'cuz MAH FREE SPEECH" ... it's a perfect circle.
Also? Irony and actual (not performative) love of this country are dead.
Just a nit. A flag retirement box is a place to collect them along with a promise to periodically empty the box and retire the flags respectfully (and in accordance with the Flag Code). It is not the "burn box" - that's just a fire pit. My troop runs flag retirements on a regular basis and we mostly conduct them at the end of a campfire.
The laws that tried to prohibit "flag burning" were only doing so for "disrespectful" flag burning. Even the most poorly-worded of them didn't outlaw flag retirements.
I should have been more clear- the Eagle Scout project was actually the fire pit (long story). But that said, I agree that the statutes on the books do include wording ... usually "with intent to insult the flag of the United States ..."
Woe betide the benighted soul who writes "Trump is a damnded fascist and racketeer" on his American flag and proceeds to burn it on a busy Rochester, NH street on a Saturday afternoon!
A reminder-
The First Amendment is not there to protect speech (in the broadest conception of "speech") that people like. It is there to protect speech that offends, provokes, and shocks. Do you know why? Because speech that people like ... generally doesn't need protecting.
If you think that you support the First Amendment, there is a simple test that you can take. Do you support it for speech you support, or for speech you oppose? Because it is remarkably easy to ask for a legal shield for speech you agree with.
But if you truly believe in the First Amendment ... then you simply need to ask yourself, "Self, do I demand protection for the speech that I don't like? The speech I don't want to hear? The speech I think is wrong, or offensive? When I hear speech that makes me wish that the speaker would just shut their piehole, am I willing to defend that speech?"
See how you do on that.
Maybe the title of this entry should be: "When the president misconstrue his own executive order..." or "Trump is gaslighting his base"
The legal profession in the United States is insane. They think it is reasonable to prohibit the burning of crosses while the burning of the nation's flag is constitutionally protected. Both should be illegal you incompetent credentialed legal idiots.
Virginia v. Black.
This used to be a legal blog, right?
loki wants you to do research, but I will save you time.
The Court in Virginia v. Black held it is unconstitutional to proscribe the burning of a cross. What it did permit are bans on burning of crosses that were true threats (an element of the crime that a jury must unanimously agree to).
Similarly, the state can ban the burning of an American flag if a jury can be convinced it was done as a true threat.
I honestly didn't think it was research. Anyone with a passing familiarity with the First Amendment knows about burning flags, and burning crosses.
It is, quite literally, tiring for people to pull things out of their posterior to make points that are so facially absurd. He might as well have said, "Yeah, but WHATABOUT the libtards who think it is reasonable to prevent someone wearing a jacket with a curse word in a courthouse! Speech hypocrites!!11!!!!"
Sadly, many in this forum do not have a passing familiarity with the First Amendment. In addition to the cross comments, we have the "but what about the guy who got 15 years for burning a Pride Flag" comments which I think originated with Christopher Rufo and has spread like wildfire on social media.
"Similarly, the state can ban the burning of an American flag if a jury can be convinced it was done as a true threat."
I'm not sure that is necessarily true, given R.A.V. vs City of St. Paul (1992). A Justice Scalia authored opinion.
From Virginia v. Black, quoting from R. A. V.:
So, a state can pick and choose which true threats is punishes so long as the basis is solely on it being a true threat. However, if the statute is limited to the American flag, that might be impermissible viewpoint discrimination. It would be safer for the statute to apply to all flags.
" It is there to protect speech that offends, provokes, and shocks."
That is why defamation is no longer a tort.