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Trump's Acquisition of Stake in Intel Highlights Similiarities Between Right-Wing Nationalist and Left-Wing Socialist Economic Policies
Both are prone to promoting government planning and control of the economy, and both have common flaws.

Donald Trump's acquisition of a 10% federal government stake in Intel, a major electronics firm, is an example of the dangerous similarities between right-wing nationalist and left-wing socialist economic policies. Both favor extensive government control, direction, and - as in this case - even ownership of industry. As Reason's Eric Boehm points out, the idea of US government ownership of major computer chip manufacturers was previously advanced by socialist Senator Bernie Sanders. More generally, Steven Greenhut notes, "MAGA's 'right-wing' policies sometimes seem indistinguishable from left-wing ones." Government control of the economy is central to Trump's massive imposition of new tariffs, his immigration restrictions, and more.
In our 2024 article "The Case Against Nationalism," my Cato Institute colleague Alex Nowrasteh outline a wide range of similarities between nationalist and socialist economic policies, and also explained how they have common flaws:
Nationalists in the United States and elsewhere advocate wide-ranging government control of the economy, most notably in the form of industrial policy, protectionism, and immigration restrictionism. In this respect, the nationalism of the right has much in common with the socialism of the left. It's no accident that the more extreme early 20th-century nationalists, such as the Nazis and Italian fascists, explicitly sought to appropriate socialist economic policies for purposes of helping their preferred ethnic groups, as opposed to the more expressly universalist objectives of left-wing socialists. It should not, therefore, be surprising that nationalist economic policies have many of the same flaws as their socialist counterparts…
Given the overlap between nationalism and socialism, it should not be surprising that their economic policies have many of the same pitfalls. The most significant are knowledge problems and perverse incentives arising from dangerous concentrations of power.
During the mid-20th century, Nobel Prize-winning economist Friedrich Hayek famously argued that socialism cannot work because central planners lack the knowledge needed to determine which goods to produce and in what quantities — a concept commonly referred to as the "knowledge problem." Market prices, he argued, enable producers to know the relative value of different goods and services, and to determine how much consumers value their products.
Nationalist economic planners, like their socialist counterparts, have no way of knowing this information. They also have no good way of determining which industries government should promote and how much it should promote them….
For these reasons, nationalist economic planning has produced poverty and stagnation — much like its socialist counterpart. Such were the results in nations like Argentina (where nationalism wrecked one of Latin America's most successful economies), Spain, and Portugal under their nationalist regimes.
As for the incentive problem, nationalist economic policy — like socialism — requires concentrated government power. Only thus can politicians and bureaucrats promote their favored industries, exclude foreign goods and workers, and so on. Yet government actors are not disciplined by market prices, nor are they incentivized to seek profit by satisfying consumers like firms in the private sector. They are instead guided by the demands of political leaders and direct their energies toward pleasing state authorities, who increasingly control the purse strings….
Nationalism does not resolve the knowledge or incentive problems that undermine socialism; government-dominated economies have the same deficiencies regardless of whether the state swears allegiance to a mythical international proletariat, an ethno-cultural group, or a leader who supposedly embodies its culture and virtues… Depending on the degree of state control of the economy, the results may include mismanagement, cronyism, and economic ossification. Nationalism is no substitute for market prices and incentives.
As Alex likes to put it, nationalism is socialism with different flags, and more ethnic chauvinism.
Obviously, we are not the first to point out the similarities between nationalism and socialism. The great libertarian economist F.A. Hayek warned about the same tendency in his 1960 essay "Why I am Not a Conservative":
[T]his nationalistic bias… frequently provides the bridge from conservatism to
collectivism: to think in terms of "our" industry or resource is only a short step away
from demanding that these national assets be directed in the national interest.
Not all conservatives are nationalistic in this way. Those who are not would do well to condemn right-wing central planning of the economy no less than the left-wing version. Both are harmful and dangerous, for many of the same reasons.
In addition to it similarities with socialism, nationalist ideology also poses some distinct dangers of its own, such as promoting ethnic bigotry and xenophobia and undermining democratic institutions in ways somewhat different from those characteristic of socialism. Nowrasteh and I cover them in some detail in other parts of our article.
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I wonder if there's a word for this kind of National Socialism...
It would have to be shorter, maybe combine the first syllables of each word ...
NSB like your grandparents?
You keep saying that (for reasons that only you might understand), but I still don't know whether you think being a Nazi is a good thing or a bad thing.
I notice you never deny it
Am I supposed to get into a mudslinging match with some neo-Nazi internet rando who's just trying to get me angry? You idiot, I'm already angry! I'm angry at the state of the US, and I'm angry at the state of so many other places. Why aren't you?
I think we know the answer...
You still aren't denying it.
As to the rest of your diatribe I don't give a damn what you think about the USA as you are just an anti-Semitic ( as revealed by your anti-Israel posts). You are also just a loser leftist who thinks everyone who disagrees with you is a Nazi.
https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.9f06a55d7d59c9b597ad7e8af509f468?rik=inF4aQeDvD%2f8CQ&pid=ImgRaw&r=0
There's certainly one for your (lack of) intelligence
Shouldn’t that be “Lack of Intelligence”? At least the punctuation was missing.
Just a heads up, done lost my job, might be late with the rent money next week, you think you can let me slide it on????
"Donald Trump's acquisition of a 10% federal government stake in Intel"
1. There has been no acquisition yet.
2. Donald Trump is not the one who would be acquiring.
3. Your sentence makes it sound like Donald Trump would be acquiring it from the federal government.
4. I'm surprised this announcement didn't move the stock by more than 5-6%.
5. Not a fan of US buying stocks, like when the Fed pumps the market. But kinda hard to argue with this, from the article:
"By lessening the country’s dependence on chips manufactured overseas, the president believes the U.S. will be better positioned to maintain its technological lead on China in the race to create artificial intelligence."
6. A once great company, Intel has really shit the bed in recent years. Seems like too much DEI and lazy MBA-ing of the business - focusing on financial statements and stock buybacks instead of the actual making of stuff.
Awesome! You really owned the author with your horrible reading comprehension skills! Not nearly enough MAGAts use their stupidity as a shield for their orange godking.
oh no wait you all do that, all the time
You seem confused. First of all, nothing Ilya Somin writes is worth reading. That's why I didn't make it past "Donald Trump's acquisition of a 10% federal government stake in Intel" which was the first few words of the article. Then I read the linked local news article instead. But the subject of the U.S. acquiring a stake Intel is a quite interesting topic, worth discussing. Do you have any thoughts on it?
Given that Somin refers to “government control” or “government interest” several times in that first paragraph the more reasonable reading, or at least more charitable, of the line "Donald Trump's acquisition of a 10% federal government stake in Intel" is “Donald Trump’s decision as Executive to acquire a 10% federal government stake in Intel,” no?
No. I assumed it meant the federal government, but it did sound like he personally could have through some twist of federal proceedings.
Was that confusion designed into the phrasing?
More tidbits:
"The government's investment in Intel will be a passive ownership, with no Board representation or other governance or information rights," Intel said in its announcement. "The government also agrees to vote with the Company's Board of Directors on matters requiring shareholder approval, with limited exceptions."
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-says-intel-agreed-us-investment-deal-stock-price-2025-8
This is an exceptionally bad provision. Why should the government automatically vote with management, rather than evaluating the proposals and voting for what seems to be best for the shareholders?
If you just don't like the idea of the government voting - which is a very reasonable position - then they should agree not to vote the shares at all.
If the complaint is that government is absolutely terrible at making business decisions, (And that's true!) this would seem to resolve THAT complaint, no?
HA HA HA!
Trump is meddling in media companies, Universities, and every other private venture that grabs his interest.
No, the government doesn't need to vote in a particular way with their stocks, Trump will just tell Intel management what to do!
Well, lucky for you on #5 the US isn't buying stocks. Trump just "asked" for it and the CEO agreed. I can just imagine the conversation: "awfully nice company you have there, would be a shame if something happened to it."
On #6, this Republican trope of blaming poor corporate performance on DEI is both lazy and dumb. Who's been absolutely crushing Intel lately? NVIDIA. And Nvidia still seems fully bought into DEI.. Meanwhile, Intel softened its commitment to DEI and needs a government bailout.
Looks like the government is paying for the stock, just at a significant discount to market price.
This got me thinking, though: how does Trump have the authority for this, and where is the money coming from (i.e., how was it appropriated?)
The $20.47/share price is actually higher than INTC was running less than 2 weeks ago, so it's entirely possible that when they agreed on terms the deal was structured to be market-level or even a slight premium.
And beyond that, apparently the deal also removed some ongoing strings attached to the CHIPS grants and thus the uncertainty that represented in Intel's balance sheet.
Given the 5.5% rise yesterday and another 1% after hours, the market doesn't seem to view this as a bad thing in the slightest.
Whether it's a bad thing for Intel has nothing to do with whether it's a bad thing for the country. If there's a deranged sociopath who could attack you at any time and you figure out a way to buy protection from him, that may be a great thing… for you.
Ah, so you're jumping on Sarc's "extorting" and "seizing" bandwagon downpage. The TDS brain-rot continues apace.
I guess why this particular U.S. company would suddenly and uniquely feel the need to "buy protection" (by... erm, selling its stock at market value and simultaneously cleaning up some messiness in its balance sheet caused by the prior administration's strings-attached grants) is left as an exercise for the reader.
So your notion is that Trump is crowing about simply buying a commodity in a manner that anyone could have done?
Your notion is that Intel must have "bought protection" because Trump announced the deal in an upbeat tone?
"Deranged" is a word a projector like yourself should not bandy about.
Something already happened to Intel, or maybe you have not been following the news? They have an increasingly noncompetitive product and severe operational and financial challenges.
Not to mention just because Trump does something doesn't make it 'right wing'. Trump has shown and has said many times he does not believe in every conservative stance.
But conservatives simply adopt his stance on whatever issue as this is a cultish ideology now.
I've mostly stopped using the word "conservative" to describe that side of the political divide in the US because Amos is right, a lot of it is not really right wing or conservative. It's MAGA or Republican, which expresses what the political cohort approves of rather than being tied to any sort of thoughtful ideology.
Or "Conservative" doesn't mean what you think it means.
This "small government" stuff is just political theorist stuff. Conservatism is really about authority and order. That's why the Nazi's who were happy to nationalize, privatize, or simply dictate industry outcomes, are properly classified as far right. Because it was never anything to do with the economic system, it was about whether the leadership had extreme authority to rule and transform the country to implement their vision of order.
To be clear, "conservative" is not the same as "small government." They are not libertarians (who find exemptions too).
More sensibly, "conservative" implies tradition, concern about morality/thinking religion is a necessary part of societal order, often support of the military and/or police, and other things.
They retain certain principles, including requiring the government to follow basic constitutional principles such as clear-cut civil liberties. In select cases, conservative judges can be the friends of defendants, applying traditional principles to their case.
This too leads to difficulties, as seen by a few traditional conservatives (former Judge Luttig and others) who argue (correctly) that Trump and company regularly violate conservative principles.
"Conservative" then becomes some simplistic thing, including loyalty to Trump, and people like Luttig are treasonous turncoats who are treated with scorn.
Anyway, conservatism was never solely about an economic system & even as political theory, only selectively small government.
Thank you for some Sunday clarity, Joe.
Nah, even on trump fanpages where they defend him for EVERYTHING to the point where I think its pretty cringe, the opinion is pretty mixed about this particular move. More than me who hasn't really followed this enough to develop an opinion.
True. It just makes it Republican. Since at this point the Republican party has no ideology other than "what Donald Trump happens to think at that moment".
Having said that, this move seems out of the authoritarian playbook and Professor Somin gives examples of other right wing regime doing similar things, so I don't think this undermines the general point.
So, Intel is in effect giving away 10% of their shares, which presumably would diminish the shares of the other shareholders.
Is this a basis for a shareholder suit?
Not if the directors had no real choice in the matter...
According to the NYT, it might:
Anyway, Intel did not just give the US Government 10% of it's stock as Trump lie^H^H^H claimed, They sold the stock to the US Government for about $10B.
I saw Trump's announcement ("The United States paid nothing for these shares..." - DJT, Aug 22 2025) and foolishly believed this bullshit at first. It seemed like just another extortion/shakedown, but since the US is buying rather than simply extorting the shares it apparently is not.
Any MAGAs want to tell us how much they don't like socialism and communism?
Probably just about as many socialists who want to tell you how much they hate government ownership of the means of production.
Oh wait, they love this: https://thehill.com/policy/technology/5462508-sanders-backs-trump-plan-to-take-stake-in-intel/
Imagine that. Collectivist ideologies are really the same.
Glad to know Mikie P thinks MAGA is a collectivist ideology. Also, Sanders lost his party’s nomination, so…
Michael D? C’mon, Michaels of the world!
They aren't the same, but they often employ and approve of the same methods. That's why many tout the "horseshoe theory" of politics: that the line between left and right curves like a horseshoe.
It seems that Trump's share of Intel is not a golden share (veto power) like his share in US Steel. This is like a quartz share, or maybe a cubic zirconia share at best.
Still, it is impressive that Trump has acquired (for the federal government) as much stake in the private sector as he has. Bernie Sanders would have never have gotten even as far as Trump has already.
Like I've said before ...
It took a Republican to recognize China.
It took a Democrat to deregulate trucking, railroads, and airlines.
It took a Democrat to balance the budget.
It took a Republican to extort corporate ownership for the government.
I'm hoping the Democrats get so confused by all their woke/ unwoke battles that some dark horse comes out of the woodwork in 2028 and undoes all this crap and more.
If chips are essential to national defense (they are),
if chips are essential to our economy (they are),
then I don't have a problem with our country ensuring
their availability to meet these national needs.
Trump could do it via regulation and micromanagement.
That Hayek information problem does not apply here. Hayek did not know about computers. There are not big consumer differences in what is wanted from Intel chips.
Citing Hayek illustrates the problem of law professor ignorance. Somin acts as if he knows something about the chip market, but he does not.
WTF do you know about the chip market?
You clearly know nothing about economics if you claim Hayek was wrong because he didn't know about computers.
You're a fool.
Hayek wrote that essay in 1945. The information problem that he wrote about was solved decades ago. Hayek had no idea what computers could do.
You heard it here first, folks. We can do socialism now.
But only if it's MAGA socialism!
You don't have any idea what computers can do either.
I know that computers process information, and that is more than Hayek knew.
bernard11 is right, you're a fool who knows nothing about computers or the chip industry. What do you think happens, that chips just suck knowledge out of the ether from everybody around the world and out comes perfection?
LOL
You have got to be joking if you think some sector of the market is immune to the need for information.
Mussolini's adage: "Everything within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state" is certainly the equal evil of both Left and Right, but it does not follow that "Nothing in the State" is the answer. Like virtually every answer to every political question, there is nuance needed, and common sense. It would be absurd for the United States to off-shore its defense industries, for example, and to the extent that they are already, we are deeply vulnerable. We do not need to revert to the founding era, where we produce and ship away raw goods, only to import finished goods we are forbidden to make here. Indeed, we won't play the game of being the finisher of goods for export, either, except under conditions beneficial to our interests. That's why there is an export license regime. Intelligent people can disagree about what we allow to export, and to whom, but only a few purist libertarians would argue that -- as a principle -- we should have no controls at all. Nukes for all?
Therefore, it's completely fair to ask whether this particular national investment is wise and warranted, but please -- let's not pretend that our national capacity to produce certain goods domestically is not a valid concern.
Just remember, if you and Bernie Sanders are in alignment on major policy solutions, there is a problem with said solution.
https://thehill.com/policy/technology/5462508-sanders-backs-trump-plan-to-take-stake-in-intel/
Sometimes it simply is the right thing to do.
More falsehoods and misrepresentations from Mr. Somin.
First-Donald J. Trump is not involved in the deal, THE United States of America's federal government is involved in the deal.
SHAME ON YOU Mr. Somin.
Second-The Intel stock is COLLATERAL FOR BILLIONS IN LOANS MADE by the previous federal government administration of President Joe Biden.
Third-The federal government led by Joe Biden gave Intel BILLIONS IN UNSECURED LOANS. The amount of those loans was so large it amounts to 10% of Intels current value.
The Biden administration, through the CHIPS and Science Act, initially announced a preliminary agreement with Intel to provide up to $8.5 billion in direct funding and $11 billion in loans, a total of $19.5 billion, to support Intel's semiconductor manufacturing and expansion in the U.S
A headline calling this "Trump's Acquisition of Stake in Intel" borders on a Bald-Faced Lie, but that shouldn't be shocking at all when blind ideologues ignore facts and reality to support their anointed vision.
Shame on Ilya!
“First-Donald J. Trump is not involved in the deal,”
Isn’t he the President?
Why do you feel the need to just...lie?
“It is my Great Honor to report that the United States of America now fully owns and controls 10% of INTEL, a Great American Company that has an even more incredible future. I negotiated this Deal with Lip-Bu Tan, the Highly Respected Chief Executive Officer of the Company,” Trump wrote on social media.
So now you claim that what a President states is the definition of truth even when the evidence and facts directly contradict him?
Tomorrow you'll call Trump a liar because it suits you whether or not he is lying.
What will you be selectively oblivious to the day after that?
Your argument is that Trump lies so much that we can't trust his own words. How is that my fault? You seem hopelessly confused.
The Intel stock is COLLATERAL FOR BILLIONS IN LOANS MADE by the previous federal government administration of President Joe Biden.
Really stupid.
Lenders do not buy collateral, nor do they expect to retain it once the debt is paid.
If it's collateral, why is the government paying for it, and why will the government keep it after the loans are paid off?
Indeed. If these are the MAGA talking points on the topic, they're even more dumb than usual.
The 'nationalism is terrible' crowd is the same as the open borders crowd. And Reason is an open borders propaganda venue. Nationalism is singing the national anthem and being proud of America's history, and serving in the military. That's what they hate. They're the flip side of the Biden coin.
You are confusing mere patriotism with nationalism.
You are confusing your delusion with reality.
I saw a definion of the difference between patriotism and nationalism.
Patriotism is being proud of your country. Nationalism is defining other lands and people as inherently inferior.
Someone is shining you on, telling you patriotism, which is what you seem to be describing, is the same thing as nationalism.
Hint: I claim all the time the US is great because it is free, come here and live free from dictatorship and corruption, the things that dog most of the world.
That's not the issue being discussed.
Another difference is that patriotism applies to countries, while nationalism applies to nations. In the U.S., we often use those terms interchangeably, but they have very different historical meanings. A "nation" is a people — an ethnic group — rather than a governmental unit. That's why "white nationalism" can exist as a concept but "white patriotism" can't. Sometimes countries and nations are reasonably coterminous, but there is no American nation; we're a propositional country.
IF this 10% thing will be true, then what's the problem ? It's simply a progression of the last 120 years and a natural one given the People have been neutered and don't want to be bothered.
Dividing the country into 10 or 12 separate Regions makes sense to end the federal tyranny with a then reduced national Executive who must consult with the regional Executives.
And make each region pick a random 12 to 17 year old for a royal rumble type fight to the death. No, two from each region!
That'll learn 'em!
Whataboutism to the rescue!
The best part about democracy is that even people stupid people with really dumb ideas can have their voices heard. Bravo.
But "45/47/48?" is going to do an EO granting full Citizenship to all Ill-Legal's, so its cool!
this type of thing has happened before. Remember, in 2009, the government ended up owning a majority of General Motors.
Somin blows it up far too much.
Well yeah, but that was Barry Hussein so everything he did was great including “Surging” into Afghanistan
Armchair defending seizing the means of production.
With a laughable analogy, but the key is how easy it was to make him Marxist!
I’ve been told even using the phrase at all makes you Marxist so this is for sure.
Welcome, Comrade Armchair!
You're going a bit nutso there. Perhaps Trump's successes are driving you crazy? Maybe the fact there wasn't a single murder in DC last week makes you sad?
Fact of the matter is, the US Government taking a stake in a company in exchange for loans or grants is hardly "communism". It's precedented with the GM issue. And once the company turns around, the US Treasury sells off the stock.
Exchange implies a level of voluntary consent.
And no the bailout is not precedent of this. This isn’t a bailout.
Get better talking points, comrade.
"Exchange implies a level of voluntary consent. And no the bailout is not precedent of this. This isn’t a bailout."
Sure....whatever lies you need to tell yourself. Intel "had" to agree. But it wasn't a bailout. They could've said no. Except....
“DC was a hellhole, and now it’s safe,” Trump told reporters Friday. “I hate to say this, because it doesn’t sound very good, but there have been no murders in DC in the last week. That’s the first time in anybody’s memory that you haven’t had a murder in a week.”
This is not the first recent week without homicides, as Trump claimed. There were no murders reported from May 4 through May 11, April 11 to 17, and a more than two-week-long period from February 25 through March 12.
From CNN “Trump’s DC takeover produces moderate drop in crime — and huge spike in immigration arrests”
Last I look, they were mostly taking away people's guns.
Look harder. Although, it's amusing to see that the police taking away people's guns that they illegally possess is now making liberals unhappy.
Actually, that's worth a separate post entirely. Liberals love taking away people's guns...if they have a legal right to them. If people ILLEGALLY possess firearms, then suddenly liberals are upset that they are taken away?
It's almost like they WANT a large population that illegally possesses firearms around. Hmm....
"From CNN “Trump’s DC takeover produces moderate drop in crime — and huge spike in immigration arrests”
Sounds like a win all around.
And I'm sure you were fully supportive of the Obama administration bailing out GM, right?
$30 billion, 60% share and they lost money. Nothing to be OK about but typical for Obama.
Somins post is an example of Godwins law.
The US took major ownership of GM.
The banks during the financial crisis, and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
The Federal Reserve "invests" in mortages and has for years, which skews housing market incentives.
On the flip side, companies are captured through regulatory requirements (CAFE mileage standards, environmental rules bank secrecy rules, and so on.). The door between senior managment and senior government advisors is two way.
So while the US does not own ccompanies outright, they can pressure companies with "investigations," or by slow walking permits, or hiring a corporate lobbyist or advisor.
In a naive simpleton world all these are bad. In the real world, only some of these are bad. Markets fail, we have strategic interests, and the US's enemies play by gangster rules, not the rule of law.
"Under the terms of the agreement, $8.9 billion in grants that had been awarded to Intel from the 2022 Chips Act, but not yet paid, will be converted to equity, the two sides said Friday. The government could get more stock depending on what happens to Intel’s chip manufacturing business. "
Mostly I think a 10% stake in Intel wont fix whats wrong with company. That said, I see the case for trying. Chips are a strategic interest and the west cant lose the AI arms race. If the "math is racist" universities and public teachers union wants to be part of the solution and not the problem, they need to change. We need to raise kids who can think critically, do math and engineering, build things like tool and dies, and they need to stop subverting knowledge.
Gotta extort Intel because woke.
"Somins post is an example of Godwins law."
No, it really isn't.
lol. Its a perfect example.
Godwins law: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one"
Somins posts have finally reached the length wheres hes comparing Trumps policies to National Socialists.
August 7: Trump demands Intel fire its' CEO, Lip-Bu Tan
August 11: Trump meets with Lip-Bu Tan
August 22: Trump announces purchase of 10% of Intel, and that "I negotiated this Deal with Lip-Bu Tan, the Highly Respected Chief Executive Officer of the Company."
I don’t like this anymore than I liked bailing out banks and automobile manufactures.
But for God’s sake, get some perspective. Having a 10% stake in one chip company is not “taking over the means of production.”
Listen to all the Chicken Littles chirping. The same Chicken Littles who love big and bloated state and federal agencies dictating the means of production. Cali mandating all new vehicles be zero emissions by 2035 ring a bell? Talk about taking over the means of production.
How, exactly, does regulating vehicle emissions constitute "dictating the means of production"?
Both the states and the fed regulate emissions now, and have for decades. Reducing the allowed emissions to zero is an incremental change, not "socialism" or "Marxism" or "“taking over the means of production.”
Talk about Chicken Little...
Heir Schindler, you can no longer manufacture
enamelwareICE powered vehicles. You must manufacturemunitionszero emission vehicles or you can’t sell them.INCREMENTAL?!?! From about 33% ev to 100% ev is incremental?
plonk.
Extorting 10% ownership is fine…so what’s the threshold where it is bad?
And regulations are nit the same as seizing an ownership stake. That’s some wild libertarian brain thinking.
"Extorting"
"Seizing"
You're really starting to go into a tailspin.
Is Bri Bri’s latest ankle bite really centered on the distinction between “taking over” and “seizing?” Tailspins indeed!
There was no choice here. Government power forcing a company to sell them their stake.
You keep appealing to incredulity, which doesn't do much but show there are no limits to what you will defend.
I didn’t say it was I fine. In fact, I said “I don’t like this anymore than I liked bailing out banks and automobile manufacturers.”
Just like bailing out other industries, it is not the end of the world, or democracy, or even capitalism.
"President Barack Obama struck a cautious note Monday as he announced the bankruptcy of General Motors and the government’s decision to invest another $30 billion in the company, take a 60% ownership stake in the beleaguered automaker, and take control of a number of slots on the board of directors."
https://www.politico.com/story/2009/05/obama-reluctant-shareholder-in-gm-023165
I guess that was OK.
It wasn’t bad orange man, so yeah. It’s ok.
Intel is not going broke?
I am a bit confused. Government ownership of a company is either a fascist or a communist thing. Is Trump our Mussolini or our Lenin?
Yes.
Partial list; there are more than this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-owned_enterprises_of_the_United_States
List of partially or wholly federally owned enterprises
• Commodity Credit Corporation (CCC)[1]
• Community Development Financial Institutions Fund[2]
• Corporation for National and Community Service (AmeriCorps)[2]
• Export-Import Bank of the United States[3]
• Federal Agricultural Mortgage Corporation[4]
• Federal Crop Insurance Corporation (FCIC)
• Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC)
• Federal Farm Credit Banks Funding Corporation
• Federal Financing Bank (FFB)[5]
• Federal Home Loan Banks[6]
• Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation (Freddie Mac)
• Federal National Mortgage Association (Fannie Mae)
• Federal Prison Industries (UNICOR)[7]
• The Financing Corporation
• Government National Mortgage Association (Ginnie Mae)[8]
• Great Lakes St. Lawrence Seaway Development Corporation
• Intel Corporation
• Legal Services Corporation[9]
• Millennium Challenge Corporation (MCC)
• National Cooperative Bank[10]
• National Corporation for Housing Partnerships (NCHP); Washington, D.C.
• National Credit Union Administration Central Liquidity Facility (CLF)
• National Endowment for Democracy[11]
• National Flood Insurance Program (NFIP)
• National Railroad Passenger Corporation (Amtrak)
• Neighborhood Reinvestment Corporation[12]
• Overseas Private Investment Corporation
• Pennsylvania Avenue Development Corporation
• Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation
• Presidio Trust[13]
• Resolution Funding Corporation[13]
• Rural Telephone Bank
• Saint Lawrence Seaway Development Corporation
• Securities Investor Protection Corporation[14]
• Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA)
• U.S. International Development Finance Corporation
• United States African Development Foundation
• United States Enrichment Corporation
• United States Postal Service[13]
Two points.
First, conservatives would (and probably did) claim that formation of each of these put the US one step closer to communism or fascism.
Second, unlike Intel's products, what each of these companies do is closely related to government functions. One might say that computer chips fill the bill. But to say that would be to endorse government takeover of or investment in all defense contractors.
Computer chips are more essential to national security than most of the items on the list.
One other major difference. Most of the federal corporations could not function as for profit companies. Computer chip manufacturers can.
Perhaps it’s now a little clearer why it was called national socialism. Conventional conservatism it wasn’t. And isn’t.
I don't understand the legality of this. The CHIPS act authorizes grants, but it doesn't authorize purchases, does it? And apparently some of the money is coming from DoD? How does that work?
And I don't see where Article II empowers the President to buy equities on his own initiative.
Legality aside, how does this help Intel? So they spend $9 billion, how does that change their bottom line? More importantly, how does the President know what $9 billion will do.
This is the same crap that the Biden and Obama administrations pulled.
President Trump is operating under a presumption that if the door to the house isn’t barred shut, he’s fully entitled to enter and take anything in it that isn’t nailed down.
There’s nothing in the constitution specifically prohibiting the President from buying equities on his own initiative, is there? Actually, there’s very little in the Constitution that specifically prohibits the President from doing pretty much anything he wants.
The Constitution requires the President to “faithfully” execute the laws. But it doesn’t say anything about what the President is required to have faith in. We are dealing with a President who has extremely great faith in himself. And he executes the laws with that faith very fully in mind, indeed fully in accordance with that faith.
Did Congress appropriate money for that? If not, absolutely.
His lawyers can just set up off-the books entities like lots of companies do to get around limitations on appropriations from their corporate treasuries. It’s a simple question of corporate formalities. Do you think all the money coming in from the various settlements he’s entering into is going into the treasury? I don’t see any proof it is.
He ran on a platform of operating the country like a business. Businesses have lots of ways to get around regulatory limitations on and formalities about how they spend their money.
I hate to be this cynical, but I hate the situation we’re in.
The money that will be spent was absolutely appropriated by Congress. What Congress did not do is identify the specific recipients of grants. What Trump did was say that Intel couldn't have the grants unless it gave the US something in return. We can fight the philosophy behind that, and the wisdom, but it isn't at all clear that conditioning grants is now somehow illegal.
I agree that certain aspects of nationalist policy may correspond to certain aspects of socialist policy. But dirigisme is not confined to these two ideologies. When monarchs ruled, they often had their fingers in the general economic pie, both for the purpose of gaining revenue, and to achieve whatever policies they wanted to pursue. But they weren’t “nationalists” (on the whole) they were ruling for the benefit of the dynasty, or the ruling class, or God or whatever. The general case is dirigisme, socialism and other ideologies or causes which attempt dirigisme are instances. Socialism is necessarily dirigiste (you can’t do any version of socialism by laissez-faire) – other instances may or may not be, according to circumstances.
Since the article mentions Spain and Portugal, I’ll offer a historical illustration. In WW2 the Germans need wolfram (tungsten) from Europe’s only significant source – the Iberian peninsula. The Allies – who had their own sources of wolfram – decided to engage in economic warfare by buying Portuguese and Spanish wolfram. This drove up the price – bigly. Spain responded by imposing an export tax, of sufficient size to maximise government revenues from this windfall. But otherwise it was left to the craziness of the market.
Portugal however imposed a government monopsony, and a rationing system doling out wolfram by the government Wolfram Commission to the Allies and the Germans according to a formula. This system capped the price of Wolfram at well below the then market price. (The system was introduced in March 1942 – prices had already soared – so the capped price was still way above the pre-war price.)
Why did these two “nationalist” regimes behave so differently ? Because they saw their national interests differently. Franco coveted the tax revenues, and the export revenues to Spain’s devastated post civil war economy. Salazar was horrified by the impact of the Wolfram boom on Portuguese society – farmers leaving the land, and their families, to participate in the Wolfram rush. Once sober working men lighting their cigarettes with bank notes to show off their wealth. Salazar wanted to restore social order and “decency.”
Ironically, the Portuguese policy favored the Germans, as the below market price preserved their dwindling foreign exchange reserves, while the Spanish policy favored the Allies – it burned huge amounts of German reserves, and the richer Allies got a significantly larger share of the Spanish wolfram. But politically Franco was much more pro-German than Salazar.
Anyway the point is that Franco’s non-dirigiste policy on wolfram derived from his view of Spain’s national interests. And Salazar’s dirigiste policy on wolfram derived from his view of what was good for Portuguese society – nothing to do with nationalism as such.
PS - although (unusually) I have some sympathy with Somin's view - Trump is certainly not a laissez-faire guy, I'm not sure this is a particularly good issue to hang the complaint on.
Somin's link leads us to an article which suggests that the equity stake is a quid pro quo for government grants made by Biden's puppeteers. Stipulating that there's no reliable way of avoiding paying the grants, and that it's legal to insist on converting them into an equity stake - in the same position I can't see even Coolidge rejecting the opportunity.
If your predecessor has committed you to blowing $7 billion, you may as well get something in return. If you can.
You talk a lot about broad philosophies of nationalism, and then just say ‘Biden bad so this good.’
Lotsa words but no operable principles at all, it seems.
Biden is referenced because his administration granted the grants. Doh !
A less silly person than you would have noted that Coolidge was in office a century ago and Biden had not yet been born. But faced with the same circumstances as Trump is now, there's no reason to believe that Coolidge - probably the most laissez-faire President in US history - would have turned up his nose at the same deal.
"This is good" not because it has anything to do with the particular awfulness of the Biden administration but simply because :
"something for something" beats "nothing for something"
This really shouldn't be hard.
If it was President Lee Moore in office I'd be popping the Intel shares into the Social Security pot to stop President Whoever blowing it on some other dumb scheme.
It's pretty simple, there have always been industries that are key to national security/defense - ship-building, sailing, cannons, steel, advanced manufacturing, etc. There is nothing new about governments protecting and funding those industries. Now chip-making is becoming the most important of all, and furthermore it is consolidated in an extremely small number of market players. So, this falls squarely within the mainstream of the modern US and world western history. Remember, Republicans like defense spending. If anything, Trump's move here is a clever twist on that, if you believe in the modern era of defense spending and post WWII world policing then you should probably think this is a smart move for the US govt.
Certain people like to bemoan that Trump is moving in a different direction from the Republican party of a few years ago. On the contrary these things actually show that he is (disappointingly in a lot of ways) quite in line with established Republican party thinking.