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Would "Affirmative Action" for Conservatives in Academia "Backfire"?
Universities should be wary of adopting practices or policies that "discourage curiosity and reward narrowness of thought."
Should universities increase (initiate?) efforts to enhance viewpoint or ideological diversity among faculty? Some think so. Others are not so sure. And would such efforts necessarily require taking affirmative steps to increase the likelihood of hiring conservatives, such as creating special centers or faculty lines, or would it be enough to counteract bias against non-progressive views in the hiring process? On this there is active debate.
The New York Times published an op-ed this week on the subject by University of Pennsylvania philosophy professor Jennifer Morton, "Why Hiring Professors With Conservative Views Could Backfire on Conservatives." In the op-ed Professor Morton writes:
Certainly, there is not enough engagement with conservative ideas on college campuses. Schools can and should do more to ensure that students encounter a greater range of political perspectives in syllabuses and among speakers invited to give talks.
But a policy of hiring professors and admitting students because they have conservative views would actually endanger the open-minded intellectual environment that proponents of viewpoint diversity say they want. By creating incentives for professors and students to have and maintain certain political positions, such a policy would discourage curiosity and reward narrowness of thought.
Perhaps few would argue that universities should adopt policies or practices that "discourage curiosity and reward narrowness of thought." But if that is really the concern, it seems that potential, as-yet-unimplemented policies designed to increase viewpoint diversity would hardly top the list of things to be worried about.
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Seems to me that such a policy would be likely to result in feelings that such faculty are less qualified, and simply hired to fill a quota (just like other affirmative action policies).
Oh, heck to the No. These are dirty Commies. They have to all be cancelled to save our country. In their Form 990, these treason indoctrination camps promised education in exchange for their tax exemption privilege. In education, all sides of a subject are covered. That includes the geocentric view that the sun rotates about the earth in astronomy class. That class will enrich the lesson greatly. When one side of a subject is taught, that is called indoctrination. Indoctrination is tax fraud. That is also unethical for the professor occupation.
De-exempt them. Defund them. De-accredit them. Seize their assets in civil forfeiture for their tax fraud.
Why would something that looks good to do in the law NOT be a good thing to do just because it is a good thing???
As to rswallen, that is exactly how Ketanji Brown is beginning to look, isn't it. Biden called her one of the greatest legal minds of her generation but turns out she isn't even the greatest legal mind in any gathering of two lawyers.
BTW Biden was bottom 10 of his law class.
"Universities should be wary of adopting practices or policies that "discourage curiosity and reward narrowness of thought.""
Adopting? You misspelled "continuing".
I was about to ask when have colleges and universities stopped discouraging curiosity.
IF you dropped ANY standards you would have more Conservatives. But affirmatively looking for them brings in the Zuckerberg Effect.
Does anyone think he changed about anything
"Zuckerberg said the changes are meant to address political “bias” and curtail “censorship” — echoing arguments that President-elect Donald Trump and his supporters have long made about the platform."
My mother would say that he knows who butters his bread.
NO, if you don't ask everybody that comes in the door whether they prefer chocolate to vanilla you will probably end up mirroring the general population better than if you offer a job to whoever says 'Hey, I like the minority flaver better, hire me, hire me"
Conservatives today tend to be less intelligent.
I again point out how poorly you write. "tend' has no meaning here.
Do you mean statistically are less intelligent? Well, that is the opposite of tend
Plus you make your usual mistaken cause-effect thingie.
You are saying that they become conservative and that makes them less intelligent -- but THINK--- that means they were originally more intelligent and yet chose to go the conservative route.
Just stupid logic and poor writing. I merely post to show others what to avoid
Quite possibly the single worst thing that could happen to “conservatives.”
1. They lose their biggest ideological grievance, which matters to their non-white trash smart-talking types
2. They can’t radicalize nonconformist students via the us/them al-Qaeda model
3. Deans will decide what a “conservative” is, spanning the whole alt-gender spectrum of conservatism from paleo-Democrat Pocahontas lovers like JD Vance to Rand “I’m just here so I don’t get fined/primaried” Paul
I vote in favor!
You don't understand your own point, evidently 🙂
are you really claiming no Blacks are conservative ? Yikes
"Nov 6, 2024 — Trump almost doubles support among Black voters compared with 2020, exit polls say." So there you go , you are the racist !!
I will merely point out that many do think al-Qaeda is radical
And of course you make the same mistake all the time, that there are no Conservative Democrats. Oh my
So many examples of how bigoted that is
Democrats For Life of America: DFLA - Pro-Life for the Whole Life
I take pleasure in pointing this out
Clearly your AI wasn’t trained on the meaning of the term “white trash.” Here are some examples you can use to dial in your shitbot:
- The January 6th protests turned violent after white trash MAGAs entered the Capitol, assaulted police, and vandalized property.
- Low socioeconomic status, NASCAR fandom, Republican voting habits since 2016, and affinity for light beer are not indicative of white trash individually; however, they are generally co-morbid white trash conditions. Along with dah-beetus and illiteracy.
- Red is associated with left-wing Labour in the United Kingdom; whereas here in the United States, red is associated with White Trash Losers with an Affinity for Excess Capitalization.
Affirmative action is dodgy enough, but affirmative action for ideology? If men can identify as women while retaining their dangly bits and woke women put up with it in the name of wokeness, how hard is it to identify as conservative while still spouting woke ideology? If there are 57 genders, why are there only two ideologies?
What a dumb idea. Perfect for lawyers and politicians.
For the only time ever, I agree with this guy. Jonathan is wrong here. There's probably no better way to "discourage curiosity and reward narrowness of thought" than to sort everyone by their "ideology." It turns thought and reason into a zero-sum battle... just look at the current state of US politics as a cautionary tale.
... which is the same reason DEI failed. It turned race and gender into a zero-sum battle. Not intentionally, but that's just what happens when you take what should be a minor characteristic and make it way overly salient by thoroughly institutionalizing it.
"DEI" did not fail.
It is a collection of things that promote diversity, equity, and inclusion. And, toss in access. To define merely that last one:
Accessibility expands opportunities for individuals of all abilities by removing physical, technological, and systemic barriers that may prevent full participation in society through reasonable accommodations, inclusive work and public spaces, and more.
It is not necessary to make things a "zero-sum battle."
People single out certain forms of DEI --- so the Trump Administration has erased much of the LGBTQ+ immunity -- when any number of criteria are covered.
For instance, conservatives are quite open to further access for certain religious groups, including providing accommodations. This is a form of DEI. They won't use that term since "DEI" is like "woke" for them -- it's more of a buzzword as much as anything else.
DEI failed. It didn't work. It didn't accomplish the things it was trying to accomplish. The data shows it. In fact, if anything it was net negative.
I'm a fan of the goals of DEI. That's why I'm delivering this message. We have to find a better way.
Diversity, accessibility, inclusion, and access involve a myriad of things. They did not all fail. People with disabilities, for instance, are helped by various current programs and means to ease access.
"DEI" is a buzzword. Certain types of DEI programs failed.
DEI failed. It made diversity, accessibility, and inclusion *worse* for everyone.
Well... the classic types of DEI programs failed. Such as...
Director-of-diversity type positions
DEI statements
Safe spaces
Acknowledging privilege
Land acknowledgements
Hiring and representation goals
Policing microaggressions
Equitable conflict resolution
Preferred pronouns
Calling out inequities
Your focus on accessibility is weird. Accessibility has been around for decades. I don't think accessibility got bound up with DEI generally. I can see how maybe it could have in some cases, but I'm not including accessibility in DEI.
And I think diversity is a good thing -- that's been proven. It just turns out that DEI is bad for diversity! That's a pretty important outcome to recognize, if you think about it.
Reread the article. Prof Alder does not support this idea. He is reporting on a proposal made by others and commenting on it's likely consequences, including the "unintended" ones.
Yeah. He's wrong not to support Morton's thesis.
This is the logical problem of not tackling a problem at the appropriate level. IF you had NO ACTION, pro or con, conservatives would go up by that very measure.
At the college where I teach this is a problem.But addressing it makes it WORSE. YOu don't go looking for type-X to balance things because you only get people calling themselves type-X to get the job !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Professor Morton appears to think that if people admitted into a university’s conservative slots should later change their minds, they will lose their jobs, scholarships, etc., the way students lose athletic scholarships if they decide to quit the sport.
This what I think she means by “incentives” to “maintain their views.”
I don’t think things would work that way.
Imagine a new conservative hire in 1996.
Notionally, this professor believes:
- small government principles generally work
- deficits are bad
- social security and entitlements need reform
- Roe must go
- perhaps some of the more popular socially conservative views of the era, such as DADT doesn’t go far enough/supports DOMA, supports welfare reform, etc.
If this person stayed in the same position through 2025, must they (d)evolve their views to conform with MAGA to keep their seat? Or would they be grandfathered in as a previously tokenized kapo?
This is what can happen when any organization accepts money from government. The organization begins to serve the interests of the politicians in control of the government at that time.
With that said, I will repeat what I wrote the other day, paraphrasing Jefferson, by calling for a wall of separation between education and state.
How does that look for colleges? Assuming state legislatures find the political will to defund colleges and the Congress ends the student-loan crony capitalism bonanza, it could look very good, it turns out.
Without subsidization, very few students are likely to pay out of their own pockets for useless degrees. Without a guaranteed flow of subsidies, the vast majority of non-STEM departments will, finally, close down. The universities, which have become a kind of large-scale government welfare program, would either go into receivership or else break up into smaller units, with the profitable ones (most likely engineering and the like) remaining in business. The hopeless ones will finally give up the ghost.
Many will object that this is anti-intellectual, but the contrary is true. There are serious scholars remaining in American academia today.
Far from being anti-intellectual, this model would free researchers to engage in pure intellectual discovery, undisturbed by the swarms of degree-seekers who are literally forced to take classes in subjects they despise merely for the sake of preserving the fiction that everyone benefits equally from attendance at a university. Relieved of the drudgery that ensues when the masses are made to endure education against their will, professors would be able to think, write, and say whatever their funders are willing to tolerate.
As things now stand, students, their parents, and the taxpayers of each state are being bilked out of billions of dollars a year. Administrators grow rich, universities run real professors out of their jobs in order to save money by hiring adjuncts, and students shell out hundreds of thousands of dollars each that could be kept in their pockets or else put toward learning what they want to learn. There are few outside of academia itself — and the financial sector that funds students loans — who benefit from our whirlpooling student debt. It is long past time to let the free market back into our universities and, finally, put their houses in order.
In short, the disastrous condition of modern academia is not a market failure — it is a failure of central planning, political patronage, and artificial demand generated by government subsidies. Once a college takes government money, it no longer answers to students, parents, or the pursuit of truth. It answers to the political class. That is why the only path forward — both for academic integrity and fiscal sanity — is to fully restore the independence of education from the state. Just as Jefferson called for a wall between church and state to protect both institutions, we must now erect a similar wall between education and government. Only then can our universities become places of real learning once again — not bloated bureaucracies serving political fashions at public expense.
You might have some interesting thoughts in there, but you've conflated too many issues. It's just a "whirlwind" of words. You need to clarify your supporting points. Student loan subsidies are one thing, grants are a different thing. Tax exemptions are different from either, and don't forget the monopoly and employment law exemptions (for sports in particular). Those might all contribute to your thesis, but in distinct ways.
I thought the same thing after the window closed on editing comments.
This whirlwind does prompt to think about the alternative system. Grants set up the direction of the research. Subsidies for the students are more or less stripped of the preferences because it ultimately delegates authority of choice to the student who is likely yet to choose his own direction. Seems to me that blind merit-based student subsidies might give more of fair value per regulation.
"Open-minded intellectual environment" he says, unironically.
There is absolutely nothing open-minded about the current academic culture. Its an insular as a monastery and heaven forbid you question whether the Earth is the of the solar system.
She seems to equate being open-minded with having doctrinaire leftist views. Hiring conservatives only rewards narrowness of thought.
She is the narrow-minded one here.
The schools don't need affirmative action for conservatives. They need to get rid of their implicit bias that rejects conservative thought out of hand and rewards leftist ideas.
It's not implicit bias. I'd be happy if they just got rid of the explicit bias.
Everybody is wrong here, except for Jamie Dimon. This isn't about bias, implicit or explicit. It's about the elevation of ideology to the status of "immutable characteristic" or even "suspect class." That's the crisis.
The left used to be practical. Then it turned ideological. DEI failed, not because its goals were wrong, but because it didn't even achieve them! It backfired actually. We should recognize that, learn from it, and move on.
The left needs to remember how to pursue values while rejecting ideology. Just that would solve these campus problems.
https://thehill.com/business/5397343-dimon-criticizes-democrats-dei-practices/
Throughout the article, this politically progressive woman philosophy professor equates conservatives with libertarians. When she teaches courses on the social contract, she tells students to read a libertarian to get the conservative view!
Hiring conservative professors is not enough. She needs to be sent to a re-education camp.
I believe in some push to broaden ideology on campus.
I also agree with this: a policy of hiring professors and admitting students because they have conservative views would actually endanger the open-minded intellectual environment that proponents of viewpoint diversity say they want
A formal policy is problematic for a number of reasons, both in terms of conservative cultural identity and creating perverse incentives.
But less directive cultural effort seems not just a good idea, but logically required if you think diversity of perspective strengthens group efforts.
If one values diversity, a competent and collegial conservative has value under that same philosophy.
Accept that, and the rest will follow without needing to set up a quota or the like.
I do think "diversity" is a good thing, but others denounce "DEI," so they might disagree. For instance, the Federalist Society commonly has panels and they often invite some liberal. I can understand if a conservative law school would want some liberal faculty.
Schools are going to use various criteria to fill a limited number of student slots. They are sometimes going to look at the background of the applicants, including those who seem to provide interesting backgrounds. This includes certain geographical locations.
How best to do this ... well, I'm open to ideas.
Like indirect ways to avoid violating precedents against certain forms of affirmative action, the net result is going to be that they are going to select some people with "conservative" views.
People don't denounce DEI because they oppose diversity. They denounce it because they oppose discrimination.
In theory DEI doesn't have to involve discrimination. In theory, separate but equal could have been genuinely equal, too.
Just as separate but equal was never equal because the people who wanted separate didn't WANT equal, people who push DEI don't want meritocracy that ignores immutable characteristics, they WANT discrimination.
"I believe in some push to broaden ideology on campus."
We don't need a push to broaden ideology on campus. We need a cession of the push to narrow it. We didn't get here accidentally. Republicans took control of Congress for the first time in decades in '95, and left-wing academics went from viewing their conservative collogues as quaint eccentrics, to dangerous fanatics; Their ideas could actually end up implemented! And what followed was a purge by attrition, as institutions with only modest left-wing majorities simply ceased hiring conservatives at all, and the existing conservatives aged out.
Unfortunately, I don't see how we stop it. It's not like the people who carried this out have mellowed any, and the next generation are even more extreme.
I think we have to regard the institutions that have gone full left-wing as lost, and establish competing right-wing institutions. Balance among rather than within institutions.
There are not that many "conservative" academics to fill the jobs. Being a modern conservative and being an academic are not compatible. Modern conservatives care little of logic, truth, or facts.
As I said, you don't need affirmative action if you get rid of this ridiculous belief. That is why there are very few conservative professors. The libs simply believe that conservatives are not qualified.
No. The problem is that conservatives have become unwilling to call out the morons in their own ranks. If an otherwise-qualified candidate turns a blind eye to anti-intellectual nonsense like ivermectin and chemtrails, then they're not in fact qualified for an intellectual role.
How about believing that a man can become a woman if he REALLY wants it? Or that Marxism can actually work in spite of a century of evidence to the contrary?
The Left won't even condemn the VIOLENCE engaged in by Leftists, much less asinine ideas.
None of those are ideas of the left. They're all strawmen. Nice try.
But you just made a fallacy
IF I say 'The moon is made of cheese' and you do your blanket denial and cheese is found on the moon, you've lost your entire point without me establishing any point. Those Conservatives you admit are in fact now holding academic jobs -- you must either necessarily call them indifferent to logic , truth , or facts OR admit you are wrong. But that would mean that there is something prior to being either a conservative or not.
This is also called the fallacy of addressing an issue at the wrong level. As when someone asks you a moral question and you say "Do good, avoid evil"
To wrap up, you admit being conservative does not automatically make you care little for logic etc . so those conservatives in academia , What is the difference ?
A meteorology department will not hire a climate change denier. A biology department would not hire a creationist, a law school would not hire a fascist, and a infectious disease department would not hire a vaccine liar.
A science department that refuses to hire anybody that questions the main assumptions is not practicing science. It is a propaganda machine at best.
...science is not supposed to be all about consensus. The contrary, actually.
Science is not about lies, something the MAGA shits can't understand.
Adopting affirmative action for conservatives seems like a recipe for making sure that academic institutions hire only the loudest, most obnoxious, least sincere people who claim to be conservatives.
That's not a benefit to conservatism or to ideological diversity; rather, it would be a boon to people who want to knock down a straw man of conservatism.
The answer for conservatives, as for all groups, is to address bias against them by actually addressing the institutional factors that consciously and unconsciously discriminate against them.
>Should universities increase (initiate?) efforts to enhance viewpoint or ideological diversity among faculty?
No.
All they need do is *stop* the actions they have been taking to suppress viewpoint diversity.
The rest will take care of itself as, indeed, it was doing with discrimination. It may not be quick, it may take a generation, but left to get on with it it will naturally happen.
Easier said than done. Do they even realize that they have been suppressing viewpoint diversity?
Everybody remember :Back in 2008, the University of Colorado at Boulder announced that it would create a chair in conservative thought and policy.
Well I agree with the assessment given of that by NAS
"Affirmative action, "inclusion," special "safe spaces," and "tolerance" campaigns are just as divisive when applied to conservatives as they are to other groups. What is needed, rather than an attempt to balance left and right politics, is a depoliticized academy in which scholars and students pursue the truth wherever it may lead."
Who started those type universities in Western Civilization? The Catholic Church OUCH !!!
I myself am playing with the idea of introducing Questiones Disputatae to my college students. Will report back
Here's an add for a mathematician to show how affirmative action for conservatives might work.
Minimum Qualifications
-Ph.D. in mathematics
-Ability and commitment to contribute to departmental current curricular needs and projects, including teaching and mentoring of undergraduate students in the major, majors’ courses, and service courses in mathematics.
-Demonstrated commitment the MAGA ideology including unquestioned commitment to any position President Trump takes.
-No RINO's (broadly defined)
Preferred Qualifications
-Background, activity and interest in statistics or applied mathematics.
-Teaching experience and evidence of high-quality teaching in undergraduate Mathematics courses
-Self declared expertise law, immunology, foreign relations, philosophy, religion, and firearms.
-J6 attendance
-Unvaccinated children
FYI We are also hiring radical leftist Algebraic Topologist and moderate Mathematics Education specialist. You can only be considered for one of these positions.
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An alternate phrasing to "discouraging curiosity" is "skepticism".
Having a load of skeptics around would be annoying - particularly because most of them would remain skeptical even in the face of mountains of evidence that they're wrong.
But of course, having a load of "true believers" around, for various progressive ideologies, would also be annoying for the skeptics because the progressives would retain their beliefs even in the face of mountains of evidence that they're wrong.
In general, very few people are able or willing to take criticism as an opportunity to engage on a honest and dispassionate journey for the truth. So, for most, they'll simply view it as being saddled with a bunch of evidence free idiots. And, for most, that will be the fact of the situation.
But, over time, those few who engaged honestly will leave their mark and edge the world in the right direction. That's the lesson of history.
It's good to put the cranks and true believers in a room. Very little positive happens, but that's more than the nothing that you get when they just ignore one another completely.
Why not just end discrimination in hiring? If you claim there is no discrimination in hiring then consider yourself ignorant and move along.
In principle it would work, in reality many of these institutions, after about 25 years of rigidly ideological hiring, are totally dominated by true believers who'd rather burn the place down than end the discrimination.
There's no such thing as ideological discrimination. It's just one more nonsense thing for the right to feel butthurt about.
Let's say you think Justice Jackson was a diversity hire. If ideological discrimination is a thing, then Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Barrett were diversity hires of the highest order. There was only a single ideological criteria for their selection: overturning Roe. Now that that's done, they're useless, unqualified hacks. Trump should've appointed the best possible candidates.