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Comment to the Texas Supreme Court On Whether To "Reduce Or End" Reliance on the American Bar Association
"What is good for Texas is not necessarily good for the University of Texas, and vice versa."
In April, the Supreme Court of Texas invited comments on whether Texas should "reduce or end" reliance on the American Bar Association's Section on Legal Education. A few weeks ago, the Civitas Institute organized a symposium on this important topic. I have now submitted a comment to the Court. In short, whether the Court keeps or abandons the ABA, there should be a recognition that the interests of law deans are not always consonant with the interests of the general public.
Here is my comment:
I submit this comment in my individual capacity, and not on behalf of my employer, the South Texas College of Law Houston. Admittedly, my views about the ABA are out of sync with those of most law professors and deans in Texas. I submit this minority report quite deliberately. The Supreme Court's order invited "comments on this topic from the Texas Board of Law Examiners, the Texas law school deans, the bar, and the public." With respect, I think this order lists the relevant constituencies backwards. The Supreme Court's authority to regulate the legal profession is premised on serving the public interest. And the interests of law school deans, in particular, are not always consonant with the public interest.
A simple example illustrates this point. Were the Supreme Court to end its reliance on the American Bar Association, the most immediate practical effect would be on portability: Students who graduate from Texas law schools that are not ABA accredited may not be eligible to sit for bar exams in other states. To law school deans, this outcome would be an anathema. How can elite law schools thrive without recruiting top students who will not stay in Texas? Of course, Texas could still allow students who graduate from law schools in other states to sit for the Texas Bar exam. And nothing would prevent elite law schools from voluntarily undergoing ABA accreditation. The theoretical problem is limited to students who graduate from non-elite Texas law schools who seek to leave our state.
I think the public would ask a reasonable question: Why should the state adopt rules to benefit people who have no interest in serving Texans? Herein lies the disconnect. Two decades ago, Justice Clarence Thomas lamented that the University of Michigan Law School was little more than "a waystation for the rest of the country's lawyers, rather than a training ground for those who will remain in Michigan." Thomas, as usual, was right. He questioned UM's "decision to be an elite institution [that] does little to advance the welfare of the people of Michigan or any cognizable interest of the State of Michigan." What is good for Texas is not necessarily good for the University of Texas, and vice versa.
In June, I helped to organize a symposium hosted by the Civitas Institute about Texas and the Future of Legal Education. This conversation advanced a range of criticisms about the ABA's role. I think each essay, which I've appended to this comment, is worth studying. But here, I urge the Court to consider the broader interest of the public, and not simply the concerns of entrenched regulated entities. There is no demonstrable connection between the ABA's onerous regulations and "promoting high-quality and cost-effective legal education." In the past decade, the Supreme Court of Texas erred by adopting the Uniform Bar Exam and joining the NextGen Bar Exam—decisions that were part of the conveyor belt towards nationwide portability. In that process, the Supreme Court has neglected the teaching of Texas law and flattened federalism. The time is now ripe for the Supreme Court to change course. If portability is so important, there are other ways to accomplish this end than through the ABA's byzantine regime.
I do hope SCOTX changes course.
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Let everybody go home and just ask the founding director, Justin Buckley Dyer. Best mind on law and the American Founding.
The place to get rid of ABA certification is at the Department of Education. DOGE this big government, Democrat attack dog filth. As usual, there is no evidence that certification correlates with competent lawyer services to client. It is a scam, anti-scientific garbage. For example, why is a physical law library required? Make the ABA provide the evidence validating every standard they try to impose. Even within the failed lawyer profession, only 25% of the lawyers belong to the ABA. This rejected organization is a radical outlier within the profession. It has no validity itself as a professional society.
https://www.ed.gov/laws-and-policy/higher-education-laws-and-policy/college-accreditation/programmatic-accrediting-agencies
"Thomas, as usual, was right. He questioned UM's 'decision to be an elite institution [that] does little to advance the welfare of the people of Michigan or any cognizable interest of the State of Michigan.'"
So...what's the alternative you're looking for here?
UM not be an elite institution?
And you attend attended George Mason Law School, (now the ASHOL School) where MY TAXES helped pay - yet you serve in Texas.
I suppose the alternative is for a state funded institution to devote itself to advancing the welfare of the people of the state funding it.
Or....we could let the state voters decide (you know, that democracy thing).
Is that not what is happening ?
Josh's first link takes you to the Texas Supreme Court stating that the "Government Code" entrusts to it the task of making rules for legal practice in Texas. The code is presumably the legislation passed by the elected legislators. So the state voters are deciding, indirectly, and Josh is offering his suggestions to the Texas Supreme Court under that democratically anointed system.
If Josh, and enough likeminded voters, are dissatisfied by the TSC's conclusions, they can vote in some new legislators who can set the rules for practising law directly.
I am interested in what you think is the list of possible ways different states might define how a law school could best "advance the welfare" of the people of the state.
Well I can't be bothered with a list, but an item on it might be :
- to churn out sufficient adequately qualified lawyers for the needs of litigious folk in the state, at a low cost.
According to Wikipedia, less than 2 percent of UM Law School’s budget comes from the state. So out of state students, paying higher tuition, receive no taxpayer subsidy.
ASHOL? Isn't it either ASSOL or ASLS?
I see two problems:
1) Many lawyers who live and work in Texas work on legal issues outside of Texas, and having bar certification in multiple states allows them to do so (e.g. a Texas lawyer who works arbitration cases will need to be certified in multiple locations even if their office is Texas based).
2) What if a Lawyer who lives in Texas likes a job opportunity in a different state? They would be unable to accept the offer due to their inability to be admitted to the local bar.
No person knows, for sure, where they will live their entire lives. Or what work they will do. Any lawyer who graduates from a Texas law school that isn't ABA accredited is forced to stay in Texas to continue working as a lawyer.
Why does it serve the citizens of Texas to force their best and brightest to go to law schools in other states (which is what would occur, as only a fool would limit their prospective employment to a single state). I would also note that they would, currently, also lose any chance of admittance to the federal bar.
I'd also note that this is a false premise. For the University of Texas, the most prominent law school in the state, 70% of 2004 graduates (290 out of 412) stayed in the state of Texas. https://law.utexas.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2025/04/EQSummaryReport2025.pdf
An additional 65 (15%) took clerkships. So only 55 (13%) took full time employment outside of the state (either NYC or DC).
Outside the University of Texas, the percentage staying in state is even higher.
Is there anything in this rule that says law schools in Texas *can't* get accredited? I don't think so. In that case, UT can still get accredited if they see a benefit to their students. Nothing wrong with that at all. But that's a school decision on what benefits them. And students can choose to go to only accredited schools if they think the ability to change states is important.
Think CA, with their own accreditation system. Plenty of ABA accredited Law Schools there (e.g. EV’s UCLA), but plenty that only have CA accreditation.
Real story. Last job before retirement started in a boutique patent firm in NV. We were merged into a decent sized regional (5 state) firm, and several of us were offered “Attorney” jobs there. But two weren’t. One was a patent agent who had graduated from an ABA school, but he never passed the state bar. The other had graduated from a CA accredited LS, and was licensed there. And would have had a hard time getting licensed anywhere else. Then, we opened an office in CA, she could tokenly work out of that office as an “attorney”, and she became officially an Attorney in the firm.
“(e.g. a Texas lawyer who works arbitration cases will need to be certified in multiple locations even if their office is Texas based).”
That’s only true if you want to represent clients based in states other than Texas in an arbitration. The ethical rules of, e.g., California and Nevada have allowed me to represent California and Nevada clients in arbitrations held outside California or Nevada and utilizing choice of law other than California or Nevada. I read Texas’s ethical rules as being the same with it comes to arbitrations.
In fact, most of my California and Nevada corporate clients, when they find themselves subject to arbitration in a contractual dispute, are often forced by the other side to arbitrate in New York, Georgia, Delaware, or South Dakota. And sometimes they are forced to arbitrate in one of those states, but use yet a third-state’s laws to interpret the contact in dispute. My most recent arbitration involved my California client bringing a claim against a Delaware corporation with the arbitration being required to be held in Atlanta and the contract interpreted under a New York choice of law provision.
Hence why DE has as many licensed attorneys as it does.
It seems to me that a compromise approach satisfying both interests might be possible. Texas might require both a general widely-accepted national examination on national law and national concerns, and a local examination specifically on Texas law and Texas concerns.
I think Professor Blackman understates the interests of the students, the would-be lawyers, which should also be considered. I would suspect most students would want to avoid being limited to practicing only in Texas for the rest of their lives. If Texas imposed such a limitation, and Texas laws schools limited students to practice in Texas, it might reduce the quality of the students interested in going to Texas law schools.
Texas might want to consider an approach similar to California, which has both accredited and approved law schools, with graduates of approved but unaccredited law schools limited to practicing in California. It might want to consider permitting two types of bar admission, a regular one requiring passing both the national and the state exam, and a Texas-specific one requiring passing only the state exam.
As seems to be the case in California, students with better credentials will likely tend to want to go for the portable bar admission rather than the Texas only one. But by requiring students on the portable track to also pass the Texas-specific exam and perhaps also require graduates of its law schools to take a course on Texas law, Texas could achieve its interest in ensuring that its law graduates understand and attend to Texas-specific issues and practices, while also meeting the interests of its more qualified students in having a nationally portable credential.
The real issue here is the ABA becoming more political, rather than an impartial professional organization. The approval here isn't for the students, but instead accreditation of the school itself, and the ABA has shown a tendency to condition accreditation on matters unrelated to legal proficiency. Even in some cases demanding that institutions take actions contrary to state or federal law.
"Standard 206. DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION - SUSPENDED UNTIL 8/31/25 (Page 15)
(a) Consistent with sound legal education policy and the Standards, a law school shall demonstrate by concrete action a commitment to diversity and inclusion by providing full opportunities for the study of law and entry into the profession by members of underrepresented groups, particularly racial and ethnic minorities, and a commitment to having a student body that is diverse with respect to gender, race, and ethnicity.
(b) Consistent with sound educational policy and the Standards, a law school shall demonstrate by concrete action a commitment to diversity and inclusion by having a faculty and staff that are diverse with respect to gender, race, and ethnicity.
Interpretation 206-1
The requirement of a constitutional provision or statute that purports to prohibit consideration of gender, race, ethnicity, or national origin in admissions or employment decisions is not a justification for a school’s non-compliance with Standard 206. A law school that is subject to such constitutional or statutory provisions would have to demonstrate the commitment required by Standard 206 by means other than those prohibited by the applicable constitutional or statutory provisions"
Naturally a state government is not going to be too enthusiastic about having its law schools accredited by an organization that demands defiance of state laws. And never mind the weasel wording, the ABA was demanding that you find some way to circumvent such laws.
Texas could potentially address that in a manner similar to California, by having a category of “approved” schools with accreditation being an optional credential on the school’s part. It would then be up to each school to decide whether it wants to meet the additional requirements for having an accredited school.
This is premised on assuming that Texas would agree to not require elements of ABA accreditation that its current government finds politically objectionable, but would not forbid them either, so that students would simply have a greater choice in which kind of school they would want to go to.
My understanding is that California’s non-accredited law-schools generally started as experimental schools by people on the left who thought the accreditation requirements insufficiently progressive. Texas’ approved but unaccredited law schools might, in a sort of equal-but-opposite way, be founded by people on the right with diametrically opposed views of the ABA. But these could be handled in a similar way to the California approach.
Direct conflicts require more difficult handling. I would just point out that the proposed compromise approach would give the right a good deal of what it is asking for, without shutting out the ability of students who choose to pursue their education in Texas to have access to a national market, and likewise without shutting Texas law schools from a national pool of students and faculty.
By offering a laboratory for experimentation, then if you are right (or at least if you get a lot of popular support), then the approved schools will flourish. A compromise might also be got Texas to open a new state approved law school, or perhaps convert an existing one, while keeping its flagship one accredited.
It's not like California, where those experimental schools had to meet requirements on top of the ABA's. Here, the problem is some of the ABA's requirements being affirmatively objectionable, not merely deficient.
When ABA accreditation is conditioned on violating or circumventing (Likely just by less transparent violations.) state law, why would the state want to encourage ABA accreditation at all? Just getting accredited by the ABA given their current standards is cause for suspicion that a school is violating state law!
My understanding is that California’s original experimental schools have mostly died out or evolved, and while a few retain some sort of special unorthodox ideological quirkiness, today most California unaccredited law schools are similar to accredited ones except easier to get into and with lower standards.
If Texas tried the approach, it might find that conservative-minded folks find it an attractive place to be, at least at the beginning, and it might get the vibrant renaissance in conservative legal scholarship it is seeking. But over time, it might also end up with results similar to California’s.
https://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/law-admissions-lowdown/articles/attending-an-unaccredited-law-school-the-pros-and-cons
"means other than those prohibited" vs. "defiance of state laws." Gotta love Brettlaw.
We're not idiots here, Nieporent. We're not obligated to pretend that advocates of illegal racial preferences haven't built up a long track record of just pretending to comply with the law while simply making their violations less transparent.
BrettLaw has no higher level of probity than when Brett doesn't like the vibes.
When your best argument boils down to a demand that people ignore news reports, policy statements by the groups in question, and court findings, you're in a pretty sad position, Sarcastr0.
Enjoy the fact that the DOJ and Civil Rights divisions aren't anymore controlled by people who want to turn a blind eye to racial discrimination. I know I'm enjoying it.
And violating federal law too - at least since Harmeet Dhillon took over the DOJ’s Civil Rights Division.
You're pretty openly invoking rule of men not rule of law.
No; this is dumb. The bar exam has nothing to do with actually practicing law.
David is correct. To spot and to analyze 25 issues in an hour essay exam would be lawyer malpractice.
The pass rate is also discriminatory and unlawful. All bar exams should be enjoined for discrimination by age, by sex, by religion, and by race. The lawyer banned the Stanford Binet in its intended use, educational classification, for race discrimination. This test has thousands of validating studies. It predicts success at age 50 from results at age 7. The bar exam is absolute garbage yet continues.
The bar exam also imposes supernatural doctrines that violate the Establishment Clause. Minds cannot be read. Rare accidents cannot be predicted, usually 100% the fault of moron plaintiffs. The standard of good behavior is not a fictitious character, a thinly disguised avatar of Jesus.
Disagree. It’s a minimum competence test. You never know when you are going to run into cases outside your competence, where you don’t have time to properly consult with another, better equipped, attorney. Many, if not most, attorneys, sometime in their careers have had to answer criminal law and procedure questions. For example, the middle of the night phone call from someone, even a family member, that they have been arrested, in their one permitted phone call. Or domestic law or wills and trusts. I wasn’t going to waste law school classes on those topics, but knowing the basics in the states I was licensed in has been helpful.
"For example, the middle of the night phone call from someone, even a family member, that they have been arrested, in their one permitted phone call."
Um ... then I hope to god that your reaction was, "Don't worry. I know someone who is actually competent. I'm going to call him right now for you."
If you're a practicing attorney, and you're competent, you know a few things-
1. You know almost nothing about how the law actually works in areas you don't practice in. And what little you do know can get you into trouble.
2. DMN is right. Look, I support the bar exam as a minimal barrier to entry ... because I think we need something. And we have enough terrible attorneys as it is. But every attorney knows that an attorney that has just graduated and is newly-licensed knows almost nothing about the practice of law.
I urge all law students to take 1/2 day to sit in the back of Traffic Court. That is run in accordance with the Rules of Criminal Procedure. You will see nothing you have covered in law school. Nothing you see will have been covered in law school.
For example, you will see a judge stand up and start screaming curse words at a defendant. When I offered to file a complaint about this deranged behavior, demanding a mental examination, the guy said, "No. I still have to drive through this town." Everyone accepted an offer of careless driving for $400, because of no points, once every 2 minutes. Everyone thanked the court for this offer. This scumbag was making $10000+ an hour for his scumbag town.
In fairness, the same comment could be made about all professional education, medicine, engineering, master of divinity, accounting, business administration, teaching, therapy of all kinds. These professions are only learned in real world apprenticeships. The education is a scam. All should be cut in half, to learn a new vocabulary, then push out into the real world.
I am surprised to hear you argue that law schools should not strive to be meritocratic, and instead should undermine competition for students in order to serve an unrelated social policy interest. In your letter, that unrelated interest is cultivating local talent. Can you imagine any other policy where people might defend the idea that schools should not compete for the best students possible and instead should exist primarily to serve a social policy goal? How would you distinguish other such goals besides "I support this goal and I don't support those ones"?
Please, update your name. It should be, Please Supremacy Get Help.
As I mentioned above, California has tried a similar approach on the opposite end of the ideological spectrum. It allows unaccredited law schools. In the 1960s, a wave of unaccredited schools opened whose founders considered the ABA insufficiently progressive for them and wanted to try something more radical.
It seems to me that it’s very hard to separate ones view of education from ones ideology and general social views. Meritocracy implies being good at something. Good at WHAT? Therein lies the problem. What sorts of things should education teach, and what qualities should they identify as evidence of success?
George Orwell had to take a series of exams to qualify as a police officer in Burma. Two of the eight exams were on classical Greek and classical Latin. Was that really a meritocracy? George Orwell, who did very well on the Greek and Latin exams, went on to become a very successful writer. But he does not appear to have been a very successful colonial policeman. Did the police service really operate as a meritocracy? Or were its exams designed to favor a certain segment of society and its culture independent of actual social needs? It seems to me that that’s open for debate.
The fact of the matter is, people have had very different ideas about what constitutes both merit and success in education. One potential way to address such differences is a laboratory approach. Let each side set up shop, put their money where their mouth is, do their thing, and then we’ll see how their graduates function in society.
My point was, obliquely, that people like Josh criticize academia for pursuing admissions policies that are designed to, for instance, increase racial demographic representativeness of schools, and in addition to framing this as an issue about white or AA civil rights, it's often framed as anti-mission because the schools are not competing for the best students possible.
Or else they criticize schools for, for example, running low popularity and poor-employment-prospect humanities programs because the school's mission is to attract the most students and prepare them the best for getting a job, and the liberal objection that these subjects are worth pursuing even if unpopular and poor economic value because the breadth of knowledge imparted is itself an admirable social goal.
I can't really adjudicate this, but I think it's rich for someone who is against social engineering to turn around and say that well, actually, schools have an obligation to carry out social engineering, seems to be admitting that the problem was never that schools were doing social engineering, it's just that the left were more successfully defining the policy goals to engineer for.
“ My point was, obliquely, that people like Josh criticize academia for pursuing admissions policies that are designed to, for instance, increase racial demographic representativeness of schools, and in addition to framing this as an issue about white or AA civil rights, it's often framed as anti-mission because the schools are not competing for the best students possible.”
Well, yes. Discrimination on the basis of, for example, race is illegal under federal law, and violates the 14th Amdt, in the case of state schools. Doesn’t it seem counterproductive for the accrediting organization for schools that train most of the lawyers in the country to require them to essentially violate federal law, and maybe state laws, to retain their accreditation?
And, I am not the only one framing the issue this way. I am joined by, for example, the US Supreme Court (CJ Robert’s: “The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race”). and the Civil Rights Division of the DOJ.
Well, if Professor Blackman can't get a job at a better school, he sure can try his best to make sure that all the other schools in the state are as bad as the one he teaches at.
It's impressive that for all the BS know-nothingism decrying so-called communism and socialism, we are doing our best to have a cultural revolution here. Stupid is as stupid does.
Just remember- either America is really the best. We have the talent. We have the elite universities. We have the cultural institutions. We have the financial markets and stability and rule of law. We have the ability to figure things out and out-compete the world. We are the shining city on a hill.
Or we are ... a bunch of proud and ignorant morons working hard to tear all of it down in the name of spite, ignorance, and (very) short-term greed.
Eh, all I keep hoping for is that this shall pass and not too much damage is done, but it's not looking great.
Not sure about all that but at least we're going to increase mining for coal again!
(sarc)
Not particularly fond of coal, happily the administration is lowering the barriers to nuclear, too.
The best of both worlds would be thorium power with the thorium obtained by remediating coal fly ash piles....
IF we revived legal apprenticeships then a Texas apprentice would be seeing Texas law and more likely practice there because law varies by state.
The poster who keeps changing his names is usually dumb, but he's on the right track here. If the goal were to keep lawyers in Texas and ensure they knew stuff about Texas law, permitting reading law for bar admission would make a lot more sense than establishing crappy schools and making up for that by creating a special bar exam for their graduates.
This is silliness. Truly a solution desperately seeking a problem. Presumably, the Court requested comments so that everyone who counts can knock this proposal on its head and the Court can say that it looked at the issue.
What would replace ABA accreditation. There isn't another accreditation body out there.
I don't see the Board of Law Examiners (the body that decides who will or won't be licensed to practice in Texas) saying that law schools don't need to be accredited at all or creating a set of standards and then attempting to accredit schools under that set of standards. It would be a great deal of work and require a significant investment for which money does not exist and will not exist for at least another two years when the Legislature meets again.
All to allow one or two schools that might open and eschew ABA accreditation. Who would spend the money to create a law school that would offer its graduates fewer job opportunities but would cost more than the state schools which will all retain their ABA accreditation because it creates value.
Or is the plan to have a set of criteria that all law schools in Texas have to meet that is separate from the ABA criteria (i.e., all of the ABA schools will have to meet two accreditation standards). So that the state would get to pay twice -- once on the TBLE side and once on the school side -- for an unnecessary accreditation.
Oh, I think it's obvious what the problem is: the ABA is too "woke."
Take a look at the ABA's motion to dismiss in the case against them challenging their race-based scholarship program. They assert a first amendment claim that the program is a protected expression of their commitment to diversity. I do real estate law for a living and don't claim any real first amendment knowledge, but the argument, raised by a commercial trade association, reeks of the type of argument that would have been raised in the 1940's or 1950's.
Anyone know where we can see the comments that have been submitted?
You mean by yourself? That would be under account settings, and near the bottom you'll find "view my comment history".
I was afraid this would happen.
I meant the comments submitted to the Texas Supreme Court. A quick search on the court website did not turn up anything.