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Trump's Iran Air Strikes and the Constitution
The strikes violate both the Constitution and the 1973 War Powers Act. Whether they are good policy is a more difficult question. This could turn out to be a rare instance where one of Trump's illegal actions has beneficial results.

Yesterday, US warplanes struck three Iranian nuclear sites. President Trump did not make any effort to get advance congressional authorization for this action, or even to consult with Congress. It is, therefore, a violation of both the Constitution and the 1973 War Powers Act. But it is possible this will turn out to be a rare instance where one of Trump's illegal actions has beneficial consequences.
Michael Ramsey, prominent conservative legal scholar and war powers expert has an excellent explanation of why Trump's air strikes violate the Constitution:
My longstanding view, developed in a series of articles, is that the Constitution's original meaning requires Congress to approve any material initiation of military hostilities by the United States. As explained at length in Textualism and War Powers, that conclusion rests principally on two points:
(1) the original meaning of "declare" war includes both formal announcements of the initiation of a state of war and the use of military force in a way that creates a state of war. In the eighteenth-century sense, war could be "declared" by words or by actions (and indeed, wars in the eighteenth century and earlier were often not begun with formal announcements but simply by launching military action -- a point noted by Hamilton in The Federalist).
As a result, the Constitution's assignment to Congress of the power to "declare" war gave Congress power over the decision to go to war, whether through formal announcement or by the use of force. A wide range of leading members of the founding generation -- including Washington, Hamilton, Madison, and James Wilson -- described Congress' power to declare war as exclusive (that is, that it was a power of Congress and therefore not a power of the President).
(2) the original meaning of "war" broadly included most uses of sovereign military force, including ones with limited scope and objectives. An early Supreme Court case, Bas v. Tingy, recognized that there could be general war or limited war -- both of which came within Congress' war power. The Bas case involved the so-called "Quasi-War" between the U.S. and France in the late 1790s, which consisted only of naval engagements. Notably, essentially everyone at the time -- including advocates of presidential power such as Hamilton and President John Adams -- thought the U.S. actions in the Quasi-War needed to be authorized by Congress (which they were).
Applied to the U.S. airstrikes on Iran, this reading seems to require congressional approval. The U.S. strikes constitute war in the original constitutional sense of the term: they are a use of force against a foreign sovereign adversary to compel an outcome. Although their objectives may be limited to forcing Iran to end its nuclear program, such a limited military objective still constitutes a war (albeit a limited war). And initiation of war, whether general or limited, and whether done by formal announcement or simply by the use of force, requires Congress' approval under the Constitution's declare war clause.
As Ramsey notes, there is an argument that relatively small-scale military actions don't qualify as wars and therefore are exempt from the requirement of congressional authorization. Even if that argument is correct in some situations, it doesn't apply here. The objective of these strikes - dismantling Iran's nuclear program, and the potential scale of the fighting (Iran is a major regional power and has substantial retaliatory capabilities) differentiates this situation from very narrow one-off strikes, such as Ronald Reagan's 1986 air strike against Libya.
Ramsey also has a compelling response to the argument that this action is legally justified by Iran's earlier support of terrorist attacks.
Unlike many of Trump's egregious abuses of emergency powers, this action is far from unprecedented. Previous presidents have also violated the Constitution in this way. Most notably, as Ramsey points out, Barack Obama, in 2011, waged a lengthy air campaign against Libya, intended to help overthrow that country's dictator, Moammar Gaddafi. For those keeping score, I condemned Obama's action and repeatedly criticized him for violating the Constitution and the War Powers Act (see also here). But Obama's illegal actions don't justify Trump's (and vice versa).
Ramsey's analysis is based on originalism. He suggests there might be a "living constitution" case for justifying such actions, based on "the speed of modern warfare and the exigencies of terrorism and potential nuclear attack." I disagree. Modern warfare is indeed faster than that of the eighteenth century. But Congress can move faster, too. Under modern conditions, Congress can be swiftly convened even if it is not in session (which, today, it almost always is). In this instance, Trump had ample opportunity to seek congressional authorization. He just chose not to.
In addition to violating the Constitution, the air strikes also violate the War Powers Act. Section 3 of that legislation requires that "[t]he President in every possible instance shall consult with Congress before introducing United States Armed Forces into hostilities or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances." There was no such advance consultation here, even though it was obviously "possible" to do it (US strikes against Iran have been under consideration since Israel began its air campaign on June 13, if not before).
The War Powers Act also requires withdrawal of US forces from "hostilities" after 90 days, unless Congress has authorized further involvement. Obama ultimately violated this requirement in the Libya conflict; we'll see if Trump ends up doing so here.
Legal scholars and commentators have to be open to the possibility that an illegal action might nonetheless have beneficial results. Like Michael Ramsey, I acknowledge that could be the case here.
If the US air strikes (combined with earlier and ongoing Israeli actions) really do severely damage Iran's nuclear program, that would be a good thing. If they succeed in overthrowing Iran's brutal regime, that would be better still. Since coming to power in 1979, Iran's theocratic dictatorship has sponsored numerous terrorist attacks (including some against the US), supported brutal terrorist groups around the Middle East (including Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis), and brutally oppressed its own people, including by repressing women and minority ethnic and religious groups. Almost any plausible alternative government would be better. There is no contradiction between recognizing all of that, while also condemning Trump's many abuses of power and authoritarian tendencies.
I left the field of security studies many years ago, and therefore must be cognizant of the limits of my expertise. Thus, I will not try to give any definitive assessment of the policy merits of this campaign. I will limit myself to just a few tentative points.
First, war is inherently dynamic. What the great German military theorist Carl von Clausewitz called "friction" is ubiquitous, making prediction difficult. As he also put it, in On War, "everything in war is very simple, but the simplest thing is difficult." Much depends on how Iran reacts to these strikes, and how the US and Israel respond in turn.
Second, I have little faith in this administration's ability to conduct any prolonged conflict competently. Among other things, Pete Hegseth is not a competent secretary of defense, and Tulsi Gabbard is not a competent head of the intelligence community. Trump himself is notorious for his ignorance and poor judgment. That doesn't guarantee a bad outcome. But it certainly reduces the odds of success.
Finally, even if the military action here turns out to be successful, waging another war without proper congressional authorization is still a dangerous precedent. There is good reason for that constitutional requirement, and we eroded it at our peril. See my 2021 Washington Post article on this subject, for some of the reasons why:
The constitutional requirement of congressional authorization is more than just a legal technicality. Not only does it prevent dubious conflicts begun at the behest of a single man; it also increases the chances of success if we do enter a conflict. If the president is required to get congressional authorization for war, he will be forced to build up a broad political consensus behind his decision; that increases the likelihood that we will stay the course until victory is achieved, as opposed to bailing out when difficulties arise.
If such a consensus is absent, it is usually best to avoid the conflict entirely. The failure of Obama's 2011 military intervention in Libya, — he called the lack of planning for the aftermath of that conflict his "worst mistake" as president — was partly caused by his decision to forgo building the necessary political consensus for congressional authorization.
Although U.S. airstrikes against Libya lasted for some seven months, and helped bring about the overthrow of the regime of Libyan dictator Moammar Gaddafi, the Obama administration claimed there was no need for congressional authorization for its actions, on the dubious ground that it did not involve a genuine war, or even "armed hostilities" under the War Powers Act. Subsequently, the country descended into chaos and ISIS-aligned groups and other dangerous organizations took over substantial parts of its territory; the United States largely walked away.
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The brain aneurysm heard round the world
The lawyer profession sides with the suicidal, martyrdom seeking Iranian regime. It sides against Israel and against the USA. The lawyer profession would have Iran get nuclear weapons, to be followed by all its other Sunni intended targets in the area.
Dude, Israel owns the US. Lawyers and all.
You can keep your micro penis
Which of your degrees are practicing?
Bullshyte.
If Israel owned the US, it wouldn't have taken 46 years for us to BOMB, BOMB. IRAN....
Isreal is the only country to have attacked the US and we did nothing in return.
What did I miss?
Israeli planes attacked the USS Liberty in 1967 during the Six Day War. They said they thought it was an Egyptian ship and that they were very sorry. A lot of people think they knew it was a US ship and that they weren't sorry at all.
Yada, yada, yada, blah, blah, blah!
Mr. Bumble performs his interpretation of the US Constitution.
"original meaning"
Text says "declare", a clear word. No need to look at the entrails.
Yup. From what I read, the linked paper's argument is incredibly weak. It largely shows that "declare war" in the 18th had the same meaning it does today.
The paper quotes Locke:
Note that even in his analogy, Locke felt the need to qualify his use of "declare" in order to get it to apply to actions.
And nothing in the text suggests that this power is exclusive.
Are you arguing that when the Constitution lists an enumerated shall power in one branch then it also applies to other branches where the Constitution lists no such power? They had to put “only Congress shall”?
No.
So what is this?
“And nothing in the text suggests that this power is exclusive.”
It seems pretty clear, no? It says that nothing in the Declare War clause reserves the power to declare war to Congress.
Like when article III says, “In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction,” it doesn’t mean that lower courts can’t have original jurisdiction.
So you were arguing that when the Constitution lists an enumerated shall power in one branch then it also applies to other branches where the Constitution lists no such power and they had to put “only Congress shall” to make it read most naturally as exclusive.
The Constitution is one of enumerated powers and it enumerates the power to declare war for exactly one branch and no others.
"So you were arguing that when the Constitution lists an enumerated shall power in one branch then it also applies to other branches..."
Sigh. No.
Article II makes the President the Commander in Chief of the military, which gives him the authority to order strikes like this one.
Nothing in Article I is inconsistent with that. Even if you want to claim, as the OP does, that the strike was a declaration of war by action, that still isn't inconsistent with the Declare War clause.
Being commander in chief means that once war is declared, the President shall command our forces to wage war. It doesn’t mean he should start a war on his own.
Precedent is always going to have to be taken into account too, Jonathan Turley:
"Fourteen years ago, I litigated a challenge to President Obama's attack on Libya on behalf of members of Congress. Like prior challenges, it failed. Trump has history and precedent on his side in taking this action."
https://x.com/JonathanTurley/status/1936797828161884207?t=frMvEr5ttP9bhuSNs5RO1g&s=19
For Somin, as for many of the Conspirators, law exists as an eternal and ethereal Platonic Idea, independent of courts or presidents or any real world manifestations, an Idea to which the writer (but not many others) has access. So it makes perfect sense to Somin to say that for 235 years, all government actors have gotten the law wrong. It's sort of like the guys in the bleachers arguing balls and strikes with the home plate umpire.
Is that that odd for a professor of law given the court does sometimes rule that long past precedents and practices are suddenly unconstitutional?
This is classic Turley, he litigated the power is wrongly used, lost, but now jumps in to point to the precedent.
Is he supposed to keep arguing the same point over and over again that he lost?
But he probably knew the argument was a loser when he took on the case, right on originalist grounds, wrong on policy and precedent.
Even one of the classic opinions circumscribing Presidential power, Jackson's Youngstown concurrence contains this caveat:
"We should not use this occasion to circumscribe, much less to contract, the lawful role of the President as Commander in Chief. I should indulge the widest latitude of interpretation to sustain his exclusive function to command the instruments of national force, at least when turned against the outside world for the security of our society."
When you've lost Justice Jackson, well then, you've lost.
If the President could constitutionally initiate hostilities without Congressional participation by the simple expedient of doing so informally, without a formal declaration of war, then he could equally constitutionally initiate arrests without judicial participation (or probable cause) by the simple expedient of doing so informally, without a formal warrant. If the absence of a declaration somehow makes it not a war, than the absence of a warrant equally makes it not an arrest.
Impeach Thomas Jefferson!
Is that what he did? While total nonsense, I believe there is still a AUMF authorizing "all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons." (https://www.congress.gov/107/plaws/publ40/PLAW-107publ40.pdf)
AND, we know at least one court (by default) has found Iran was connected to 9/11. (https://abcnews.go.com/International/iran-ordered-pay-billions-relatives-911-victims/story?id=54862664)
Is the AUMF still valid? Can it be said the bombing was to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States?
Ilya goes into any bar in America or women's hair salon and spouts that shit he never comes out. That only goes over on here
Are those settings where you would want this nation's wartime policy to be made, bye? Really?
William F Buckley said the same thing 60 yrs ago, I’d throw in the crowd at your local VFW or Hooters
Feel free to impeach. Maybe the 3rd time will be a charm.
If your argument is ‘doesn’t matter he’ll get away with it’ you kind of suck ass, no?
My argument is that, if the law were what Somin says, you would have had to impeach Obama, Clinton, and a long line going back to Thomas Jefferson. You know, equal justice under law, treating equals equally, all that liberal foofooraw.
You think equal justice under the law is just a liberal thing?
“But Obama's illegal actions don't justify Trump's (and vice versa).”
Under the liquidation theory of constitutional interpretation endorsed by Kagan, Barrett, and Kavanaugh it does. Under that theory, past actions that are long standing and generally uncontroverted, a practice shows original meaning. So, what past presidents did is relevant to what the current president is doing. It’s not dispositive, but it does help demonstrate original meaning. Notably, this theory originates with “Father of the Constitution” James Madison (though he really wasn’t, and he himself disclaimed that moniker).
Maybe there’s not enough past practice to justify Trump’s actions here. But under the liquidation theory, what Obama (and every other president) did is absolutely relevant—as is Congress’s inactions.
Maybe liquidation theory is bullshit. But it’s been endorsed by a cross-section of the current Court, if not others throughout history.
As the noted philosopher Ernest Tubb said, two wrongs don't make a right. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd9LriQ4vpE
I generally agree. But that’s not really my point here. My point is that past practice helps show it might not be wrong.
Yeah, liquidation theory is bullshit. It's just an excuse for originalists who lack resolve to pretend that they're still following originalism when the truth is that they gave up on being principled when it's difficult.
The immediate case IS genuinely difficult. Iran has been in a state of war against us for decades, we've just found it inconvenient to admit it. And the founders didn't write a constitution for a world where one smuggled bomb could render an entire city uninhabitable.
But a President committed to upholding every bit of the Constitution could have worked something out. Used his power to call an emergency session of Congress. Asked that it be a closed session, announced behind closed doors that he needed a declaration of war, and that any member who warned Iran would be prosecuted for treason.
And then, if he lost the vote, respected that.
Yay! Me and Brett agree for the first time ever.
We probably agree about a lot of things, most of which don't come up for discussion.
You don't think it would be reported that Trump was meeting with all 535 members of Congress about *something? Wouldn't such meetings in this and all other instances tip off the other side that an attack was coming?
I think he does not need to get Congress' approval because we are not declaring war in the traditional sense.
"You don't think it would be reported that Trump was meeting with all 535 members of Congress about *something?"
Sure, it would be reported, which is why you put out a cover story. That's pretty basic.
"I think he does not need to get Congress' approval because we are not declaring war in the traditional sense."
And that's just a bullshit rationalization, distinguishing between declaring war, and deliberately committing a cause of war. It's like the 4th amendment rationalization you hear occasionally, "We need probable cause to get a warrant, but where does it say we need a warrant?"
But there is a difference between launching several air strikes and full mobilization for a war of conquest like in WW II. Do you think Jefferson acted unlawfully in attacking the pirates off of the Barbary coast?
There is a long tradition of this sort of thing. When we get into a Vietnam, I take your point, but not for a few airstrikes.
There's a long tradition of Presidents usurping Congress' power to declare war, sure.
And Congress is complicit in it, they WANT that power usurped, because "With great power must also come great responsibility", and they don't want to be responsible for diddly squat, they just want to retain enough power to keep the graft flowing.
Presidents wound up with an absurd amount of concentrated power because Congress gave it up as too much trouble.
endorsed by Kagan, Barrett, and Kavanaugh?
And Sotomayor, who I forgot about. It was outlined in Kagan’s concurrence in CFPB v. Community Financial Services Ass'n of America, Ltd., 601 U.S. 416 (2024)—though not actually called that. Barrett has referred to the theory in some of her other opinions as well.
Not saying I agree or disagree. But, if it’s a valid method of interpretation, Obama’s actions are relevant to—though, not dispositive—the propriety of Trump’s actions here.
Area Man — You misunderstand Madison. His view was not that whatever happened centuries later would redefine the Constitution. Madison's view was that there would be a period proximate to ratification during which meanings intended by the authors would be worked out, refined, and confirmed in detail by practice.
I'm going to say that any action taken in 2011 cannot demonstrate original meaning. Something done in, say, the war of 1812, *might* be relevant. But certainly an action from just 14 years ago is not "long standing", when it comes to the Constitution.
Under liquidation theory, it’s potentially one piece of a longer chain.
"I left the field of security studies many years ago, and therefore must be cognizant of the limits of my expertise."
But Trump did something, so I must talk about why it's wrong.
Did you bother to read the post before reaching for the snark? His point was that he doesn't have the expertise to assess whether it's a good idea, and therefore will not talk about that, but only about the legality.
And it only took him 18 hours to do it....
Regardless, I’m sure there’s a District Court judge in Northern California, Hawaii, or Boston ready to countermand the Commander-in-Chief, and who will issue a TRO (with no stay) any day now to stop any military action. According to John Roberts, such an unlawful order by a judge comes with absolutely no consequences since the appellate process is still available.
No Federal judge is going to rule against our Israeli masters.
If those degrees are real, you are a degree hoarder. Seek help.
Good to see you know your role, now shut your mouth
Poor half Jew Frank. Is it true what Malika says? You are a Stolen Valor hunk of garbage?
Well, Magnus Pilatus in Ore, ask Malika the next time you’re sucking his (redacted) I’ve got as much proof I served in Combat as you do that you’ve got your stupid degrees (only one of which is worthwhile, guess which) although you do sound as gay as most Docs who suck at medicine and go the JD/MBA route
The Frank Fakeman character is a performed persona here by a sad weirdo, he’s admitted it. He got caught making this whole thing up about how he lived and was educated in the US for decades and yet said he wrote like a third grader on crack because he was left handed, or he spoke English as a second language, etc.
Uh, Frank "small hat" Goldsteinburg, so Stolen Valor it is since Jews only serve Israel.
You 2 should get a room
As I said, the Frank Fakeman character is written as being as touchy about Israel as a hooker’s son is about his mom’s reputation.
You blow Magnus with that mouth?
Only your kike mom
Yuck. How'd his Dad taste?
Area Man, who do you posit would have standing?
Area Man's statement is not that far fetched. In Schlesinger v Holtzman a district court enjoined Nixon's incursion into Cambodia. The court of appeals issued a stay and Justice Marshall declined to upset it. The plaintiff then went to Justice William O. Douglas, who dissolved the court of appeals stay acting as a circuit Justice while the court of out of session, and reinstated the district court opinion. Justice Douglas found that the plaintiff (a congressperson) had standing as a taxpayer. Justice Marshall then stayed the district court order, stating in his opinion that he had telephonic approval of the seven other members of the court.
I was going to post Justice Douglas's attempted action here, if no one had already.
But I guess that case is as much a question about whether the plaintiff bringing suit had standing, as whether a district court judge had the authority to enjoin a president's Article II commander-in-chief actions. Various current events causing us to revisit the extend of district court authority to restrain the president.
I also wonder whether the court was simply slapping down a Justice who effectively overruled another Justice on a stay decision.
Whoever the court says has standing to get to the ruling it wants. I usually don’t ascribe bad motives to courts. But, I’ll admit, in recent years my presumption of good faith has been waning for District Courts. The appellate courts seem to be holding on, by and large.
District courts haven’t changed so…I guess you have,
Lol what does that even mean?
"Whoever the court says has standing to get to the ruling it wants."
IOW, you have no clue.
What is wrong with that? Trump is acting outside of any legal process.
On the politics, this is likely a no-win situation for Trump. If this results in a total success (the end to Iran's nuclear ambitions and perhaps even regime change to a pro-western government), it will be quickly forgotten in the minds of the voters. If on the other hand, it's a failure (America drawn into war, American deaths, higher oil prices, ...) Trump will get the blame.
You sound like he’s really running for a 3rd term
His popularity has a direct effect on the midterms. And no (to ikaritenshi) the GOP (including Congress) will own it if it goes south.
which is why congress has never seriously tried to curtail the executive in this regard. it's a win/win situation for them. if it works out, they can ride the coattails, and if it doesn't, they can push all the blame on the executive.
Of course, if this avoids the nuclear destruction of Tel Aviv or New York, Trump can consider this a "win"...as should we all.
On top of all of that, Trump's actions also violate art. 2(4) of the UN Charter, a treaty ratified by the United States.
Second idiot checks in.
Going to send the UN police to arrest Trump?
Bob doesn’t believe in following promises.
Grow up. Governments have signed treaties for millennia and then promptly broke them. Expecting a great power to obey a scrap of paper is just silly.
Promise matter for people, not powers.
See?
Nor does Iran, since they signed the NPT in 1970.
So you think we should act like Iran?
Worse than that. It’s a gross violation of the Kellogg-Briand pact.
More reason to kick the UN out on their collective rainbow colored asses, turn the property into housing for Homeless Vets
Made up vets like the Frank Fakeman character performed here by a weirdo, sad nutcase (I’d buy homeless though)?
Funny that you spend so much time responding to a made up character, almost like your name isn’t “Malika”
The Frank Fakeman is not only made up, but written as stupid, confusing a handle with his performed persona here.
But I’m happy to always point out the kind of nut attracted to MAGA.
Hes not MAGA, he's Israel First, like the rest of DC.
Did your boyfriend Malika tell you to say that? More like Magnus Sans Pilatus
The Frank Fakeman character is very badly written in many ways. For instance, he’s often written as trying to hard to be edgy, but then becomes as excitable as an ADHD kid on meth when it comes to Israel or abortion. I’ve seen better writing from picture books.
Thats Dr. Big Balls to you, 1/2 Jew.
Did Iran's war with Iraq violate 'international law'?
Are you defending this action by equating it to Iran’s?
With friends like these….
What is this supposed to refer to? The Iran-Iraq war generally is used to describe the conflict between the two countries in the 1980s. Based on the way you phrased it, though, you seem confused about which side started that war. Saddam Hussein's Iraq did, to take advantage of internal turmoil in Iran. Yes, Iraq's attack on Iran violated international law.
Conveniently omitting that Ear-Ron had been stirring up the Shit-ites in Southern Ear-Rock, trying to instigate a Khomeni-esque Revolution, Oh, and taking over the western bank of the Shit-al-Arab, and taxing the shit out of the Ear-Rockies, that's the only access Ear-Rock has to the Gulf
I'll consider conceding that right after an UN fanbois first acknowledge that Iran's proxy war against Israel also violates the UN Charter, for starters. I've got other violations to consider before we get what to do about Iran violating the NPT and whether such an international law violation can allow for other international law actions. And I don't mean a legal complaint filed at The Hague.
Iran's proxy war against Israel also violates the UN Charter
Off the top of my head, it does.
what to do about Iran violating the NPT and whether such an international law violation can allow for other international law actions. And I don't mean a legal complaint filed at The Hague.
An internationally wrongful act like a violation of the NPT can be punished and/or disincentivised in a range of ways. Just not by shooting at the culprit. The sanctions that the US and other countries put on Iran we the entire reason why the US and its allies were able to negotiate the JCPOA in the first place.
How did Trump threaten "the territorial integrity and political independence" of Iran?
By dropping really big bombs on it.
“They can’t impeach me for bombing Cambodia, the President can bomb anyone he wants!”
Milhouse Nixon, 1974
From the NYT article:
"In his capstone paper for the class, Mr. Damsky argued that the framers had intended for the phrase “We the People,” in the Constitution’s preamble, to refer exclusively to white people. From there, he argued for the removal of voting rights protections for nonwhites, and for the issuance of shoot-to-kill orders against “criminal infiltrators at the border.'"
Putting completely aside Mr..Damsky's subsequent outrages, if this statement of the paper's contents is true, how could this paper get a high grade (from which 65% of the class grade was derived)? If he has stopped with "the farmers were racist" and wrote really well, I can see it. Perhaps Hannah Nikole-Jones would even welcome his work! But to then go on to derive his subsequent arguments without considering amendments 13-15 to the US Constitution does not an "A" paper make. And claiming the 14th amendment is "unconstitutional" is both alarming and laughable.
Wasn't half the country's representatives excluded from the vote on the 14th?
In Congress, sure. Then the Southern states ratified literally at gunpoint.
The Constitution wasn't really in effect anymore during the Civil was and Reconstruction. Any part that got in the North's way just got ignored.
It's the ultimate case of hard cases making bad law: The South was legally in the right and morally monstrous, the North fighting on the side of virtue, (Once the war became about emancipation, anyway.) and behaving lawlessly.
If only they had let the South secede, and then voted to wage a war of conquest against them in the name of abolition, law and morality could have been aligned. But too much clarity about what they were really doing might have derailed the whole project.
Be careful. That sounds like Lost Cause rhetoric!
As far as the article, the guy was a law student. You are supposed to think outside the box and come up with outrageous theories. If he argued for a client that the 14A was improperly ratified, he should get slapped with a malpractice suit, but as a thought experiment?
For the reasons others have said, that is a good logic experiment for a law school paper.
What part of "Legally in the right but morally monstrous" sounds like lost cause rhetoric? I'm pretty sure the lost cause idiots aren't much on identifying the South's motives for secession as grossly immoral.
I guess I should have used a smiley face emoji. I was jabbing at the post-2019 idea that any comment about the south that doesn't completely and unequivocally condemn every part about the war effort is "Lost Cause" rhetoric.
That term used to be applied to the overly romantic view of the Old South, that they were good and honorable people who were invaded by immoral and indecent Yankees who wanted to defile southern women. Now if you say that Lee had some good qualities you are lumped in with that.
Wrong thread, dude.
That’s right Malika, embarrass your boy toy in pubic
The Frank Fakeman character is now being written as bitchy.
Whether this was a good policy move is one question, but another is do we want a system where one person can get start a shooting war on a whim? There’s no reason this couldn’t have been debated by Congress first.
"There’s no reason this couldn’t have been debated by Congress first."
Operational security is one reason.
From the Signalgate crew?
Whataboutism
It’s certainly the type of argument you’re most comfortable with.
The Constitution can be a harsh mistress, we get you’ve never been into her.
The Constitution at this stage is just a totem, Each side waves it to justify or oppose stuff but neither side believes it matters.
Fascist says what?
You obviously have no idea what whataboutism is Bob. Sad. But predictable.
"Operational security is one reason."
Nope. Not a reason
CNN is reporting that the GOP heads of the intelligence committees were informed, but not the democrat "ranking members". Speaker was told too.
Nobody objected, so I guess it is a reason.
Democrats would've leaked it to the Iranians so the B2 bombers would get shot down.
Of course.
Bernie Sanders would have leaked. He almost had a stroke on stage.
Real Patriots only leak to Atlantic reporters and family members!
You're the only idiot left who doesn't realize that was an IC op against Trump.
Notice how no one cares?
Cool story, bro.
Ha! You MAGA guys are pretty funny.
Under the WPA the President is required to notify the Speaker of the House and the Senate Majority Leader within 48 hours. Damn. They both just happen to be Republicans.
Sorry, "we have secret info, trust us" does not have a great pedigree.
I'm curious. Did Jimmy Carter seek Congressional approval before he invaded Iran in an attempt to free the hostages?
You mean Operation Cluster-(Redacted)??
Ilya explicitly addressed this type of argument in the OP, ya goof.
Nice deflection. Did Carter seek Congressional approval? Yes or no?
By the way, that would be the same Jimmy Carter who created the mess of the Islamic Republic.
It’s not a deflection to point out this argument has already been asked and answered, ya goof.
Somin should be less verbose.
Why can't you just answer it? If it's been asked and answered? Because there's lots of words up there, it doesn't exactly stand out.
It’s been answered, one President’s violations don’t make another’s right.
Jimmy Carter was ineffective and feckless (although he was better on domestic policy than he gets credit for), but he of course did no such thing. The government that the U.S., including Carter, had long supported was overthrown by an internal revolution. I suppose one could try to blame Carter for the hostage crisis itself, but for the existence of the Islamic Republic?
Hannah Nikole-Jones got awards also.
I hope i am not running afoul of the community guidelines, but i expect more from Ilya Somin.
He's supposed to be a law professor, not a politician. The idea that trump violated the constitution is absurd. I expect more from a legal professor than some statement that a politician would feed more the masses.
Constitution says Congress declare war. Congress not declare war. Trump attack anyhow.
That simple enough for you rock filled MAGA mind?
Not a war.
Thank goodness FDR didn’t see Pearl Harbor that way
That was because he had to upend a huge isolationist bloc including many with Nazi sympathies. And he had to mobilize all of US industrial production before he could turn the tide of war across either ocean. In other words, he had a political need and he needed time. So why not? Besides, the US had just suffered a large sneak attack.
It took 6 months before the US could mount a successful sea battle at Midway.
Is there any lower limit of MAGA stupidity?
Is Nikki Haley MAGA? How about John Bolton? Both of them heartily approve, as I imagine John McCain is observing from the great beyond.
A bit of MAGA is in open revolt, however respectfully. The online grifters are spinning and dodging. It's Republican "neocons" (I hate that lazy label, but it's useful here) that are most happy about this. So why would you chalk this up to "MAGA stupidity"? There is some stupid at work here, but in this case, it's actually you.
Probably much of the Republican base is probably content with this. Just as that base, contrary to the loud online MAGA voices, actually supports helping Ukraine. TDS is a drug that corrupts all sides. The normies likely are happy that Iran has had its nuclear weapons ambitions set back probably significantly. Because normies, Democrat and Republican, understand Iran having nukes would be a bad thing.
first of all, as noted literally every president since the 1960's from democrat to republican has bombed someone.
Second in what universe does a surgical strike on lasting less than 30 minutes count as a war?
In what universe would any Supreme court liberal or conservative hold that action to be a declaration of war.
"Second in what universe does a surgical strike on lasting less than 30 minutes count as a war?"
IIRC, the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was a relatively short term action - about 75 minutes. Do we have a hard and fast rule here?
That wasn't the whole war. Roosevelt went to Congress the next day because in response to that attack we were going to full fledged war with Japan. Unlike what we are doing in Iran.
And that was more than 80 years ago. We don't declare war anymore. We engage in the fiction that we are fighting against the unlawful aggressors who have usurped the righteous authority of country X. We have no beef with the peaceful people of country X.
Declarations of war have gone the way of letters of marque.
" . . . but i expect more from Ilya Somin."
Then you haven't been paying attention.
>This could turn out to be a rare instance where one of Trump's illegal actions has beneficial results.
How many of Trump's actions are *actually* illegal though? Not the ones still being litigated - like you own tariff lawsuit as the jury is still out on that - but which of the tons of suits filed haven't been effectively upheld on appeal?
Which ones have had negative results and what is a negative result for you? Illegal immigrants rioting? Murder rates dropping? Inflation stabilizing?
Remember that there is a difference from the way you *think things should be* and the way they actually are. Be a lawyer, not a law professor.
MAGAs on Trump's illegal actions:
If not litigated = legal
If Trump wins = legal
If Trump loses = woke activist judge thus effectively not litigated thus legal
Any, no matter how small win during litigation = legal.
There is no circumstance where a MAGA would recognize a Trump action as illegal.
Go read patriots.win a MAGA forum. Many patriots are unhappy being Israel's lapdog.
Yes, the Blame-America-First "antiwar" American Firster isolationists are unhappy. Horseshoe theory of politics and all that.
I don’t they are concerned regarding legality, since they’re white nationalist authoritarian antisemite over there.
You left off a few Bluesky buzz words. One more and I would've had Idiot Bingo
Retarded?
Deporting Garcia was obviously illegal. All the courts and the DoJ (at least until they fired the last sane person) agreed on that one.
It also had negative results.
Deporting Garcia *wasn't illegal - deporting him to El Salvador was.
And it wasn't even actually against the law - it was in violation of an immigration judge's order.
But what were the negative consequences of doing so?
Trump's actions frequently have beneficial results, even if Somin doesn't LIKE the benefits.
>The objective of these strikes - dismantling Iran's nuclear program, and the potential scale of the fighting (Iran is a major regional power and has substantial retaliatory capabilities) differentiates this situation from very narrow one-off strikes, such as Ronald Reagan's 1986 air strike against Libya.
wat?
No, the strikes by the US are a one-off, limited objective, strikes that are absolutely *more acceptable* than Reagan's strikes against Libya.
Secondly, no, Iran is not a regional power no does it have any effective retaliatory capability - not after the Israelis dismantled their air force. You understand the scope of the ME, right? Who is Iran going to invade? Iraq (again)? 'Close the Straits'? For 12 hours before *everyone* else blows up their speed boats? Before the Israelis dismantle their anti-ship batteries? The ones that are still left.
Iran's power has always been in spending money the West has been bribing them with to behave to fund proxies that do violence on their behalf.
“but if peace does not come quickly, we will go after those other targets with precision, speed, and skill, most of them can be taken out in a matter of minutes.”
Incunabulum — Like the U.S. and France during the revolution, upstart nations at war against an unpopular hegemon tend to attract support from other nations which want to make the stronger party weaker. Iran will have no shortage of would-be supporters, drawn from a list of nations which stand to gain if U.S. global stature diminishes.
That makes a question salient whether Iran can endure protracted resistance, while its allies boost it toward a threatening capacity to retaliate. Physically, few nations on earth are better suited to take an extended military pounding without suffering much.
A large majority among Iranians live largely self-sufficient pastoralist lifestyles. Their goat herds, private looms, and handcrafts are not military vulnerabilities of the kinds U.S. and Israeli armed forces are equipped to attack. Their geography is vast, mountainous, and arid. Iranian borders are both hard to approach, and inhospitable to invaders who step foot across them.
If Iran escapes this initial phase of attack with a stockpile of near-bomb-grade uranium, then in due course the attackers themselves may suffer grievously. The Trump administration has made a high-stakes wager on expectation it can be confident about details no sensible person would expect even an expertly governed nation to understand reliably. Trump and his cronies fall below normal expectations. It will take extraordinary good luck—and colossal blundering in Iran; which may indeed have already happened—to make Trump's Iranian War turn out to U.S. advantage.
Since Iran has long called the USA the Great Satan and chanted "death to America " on a regular basis I would suspect that even before these bombings that Iran was planning on using some of the nukes that they planned to build on the USA. They were even reportedly developing ICBMs. So all that has changed is that at worst Iran's plans to develop nukes has been set back years and it's possible that Iran's nuclear capability has been ended entirely and that Iran won't have the financial wherewithal to support terrorists such as Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis. Your worst case scenario for what has happened was basically what would have occurred if nothing was done.
... after the CIA overthrew a democratically-elected government and installed a monarch (the Shah) who stayed in power via a repressive secret police, sure.
We in the US don't have a great opinion of King George III, either.
Laughably untrue. The vast majority of the Iranian population is urban; this isn't 1979.
Like who?
I mean, Europeans for sure - they hate Jews, America, and love terrorists - but not Iran's neighbors. Russia? They're occupied. And Russia like all of Europe and Canada together are not a threat to the US.
Better suited to taking a pounding?
Afghanistan was better suited. The Iranian government is hated by its own people.
"No, the strikes by the US are a one-off, limited objective, strikes that are absolutely *more acceptable* than Reagan's strikes against Libya."
Strikes? It was one strike. I know that because I was there. Later in 1986 we had a strike in the air, but, it was called back.
The whole “two weeks” thing suggests this was a whim.
It should be uncontroversial that the President can declare war on another county based on their whim.
"within" two weeks
Iran told the Euros it would not negotiate so long as Israel was smashing it and would never give up enrichment. Giving up enrichment was Trump's bottom line, since they rejected it, no reason to wait.
You ignored how good Queenie is at deflecting and obfuscating.
Two weeks was a head fake.
Haha, sure Brett. That’s what Trump’s history tells us
You too?
It was misdirection. AND a statement of how long he had guaranteed Bibi a free hand.
I enjoy how the "TACO" crowd refuse to see that. David Frum in The Atlantic was a good example of someone crowing over the head fake.
Reading comprehension is not your thing I guess.
"suggests this was a whim"
Geez, can you really be that clueless.
What differentiates this from Pearl Harbor? The air strike is tantamount to a declaration of war. Full stop. The Constitution does not permit starting wars in secret. But, of course, presidents for two centuries have ignored this. Those presidents (I'm looking at you, HST, JFK and LBJ) should have been impeached, as should this one.
the attack on pearl harbor was a massive attack on miliary assets and troops.
if you think what we did yesterday was equivalent to pearl harbor, I would say you lack any form of impartiality
lol, have you seen Trump’s own assessments of what we did? You seem to lack any impartiality.
so what we did today was equal to this?
4 battleships sunk
4 battleships damaged
1 ex-battleship sunk
1 harbor tug sunk
3 light cruisers damaged[nb 2]
3 destroyers damaged
3 other ships damaged
188 aircraft destroyed
159 aircraft damaged
2,008 sailors killed
109 Marines killed
218 soldiers killed[5]
68 civilians killed[6][5]
2,403 total killed[6][5]
1,178 military and civilians wounded[5]
4 midget submarines sunk
1 midget submarine grounded
29 aircraft destroyed
74 aircraft damaged
129 killed[7][8]
1 sailor captured[9]
Yes. The intent is the same. Both were intended to adversely affect the ability to wage war. Both were without warning and we're sneak attacks. Pearl Harbor resulted in more deaths (I think). But otherwise we're similar.
so, you think destroying a nations navy, killing over 2000 sailors has the same intent has striking a nonmilitary target? I'm going to assume you are not a lawyer. or has never done a trial.
I would submit that, outside of the personnel deaths, destroying a navy in 1941 was equivalent to destroying the capability to make a nuclear bomb in 2025.
You think we bombed nonmilitarty targets? That would make it even worse, dum dum.
Um, the entire premise of this attack was that these were military targets. "This isn't a declaration of war because we actually bombed non-military targets" is not only stupid and false, but also monstrous.
And we don't know the Iranian casualty count, do we?
Ah, Mr. Nieporent! So, whaddya think? Looking forward to the Iranschluss?
If you want to play a game of numbers you could compare the explosive force of the two operations. The point is both were major military attacks.
Even if I were in court I wouldn't respond to such a silly argument.
You misspelled couldn’t.
and thank God it happened.
How many troops did Trump say that he killed? How many planes he he say were destroyed? etc.
What he claimed was the destruction of three nuclear sites that were essential to an Iran producing nuclear weapons.
It was no secret. Trust me, the Iranians knew they were being bombed.
Let them declare war then. What are they going to do? Invade Cincinnati?
President Jefferson dealt with the Barbary Pirates without congressional authorization. He ordered the Navy to blockade ports and sink ships. The Barbary pirates were extorting America and harassing American merchants.
You know, the same President Jefferson who signed the Declaration of Independence and might have had an opinion on war powers.
I am very unimpressed with these "Congress authorized a standing army/navy/airforce but its unconstitutional for the President to periodically use it to strike American threats" arguments. Almost every president has done what Trump just did.
The fact is, the US has been at war with Middle Eastern extortionists since 1791.
The Barbary Pirates attacked the US. Iran has not done so directly in 40 years. Do I think it is a good result? Yes. But that I Machievellian.
This was a once in a lifetime opportunity, given how Israel destroyed Iran's proxies and air defenses. But it was still unconstitutional.
Iran has been attacking the US for 40 years, if indirectly through the Houthis, Hezbollah, and Hamas, kidnapping and killing Americans. Please stop with the Iran is peace loving and innocent routine. It makes you barely above a Russian disinformation bot.
Beyond how many here defend Trump’s open contempt for being in a republic, my concern is the Middle East has a gift for replacing regimes with a worse version.
Which is why we do not need or want regime change. We need the Iranian regime to accept a nuclear program without a weapon making potential
In addition, they were well on their way to develop a bomb that about 30 seconds after it was operational would have been hurled at Tel Aviv or if they could get it there, New York.
Jefferson neither drafted or signed the Constitution.
False, as I posted yesterday. Congress expressly authorized it.
They authorized ex post. Jefferson had already given the order
No. He ordered ships to the Mediterranean, and authorized them to defend themselves. As I noted, at the time he expressly noted that he was not permitted to authorize offensive measures w/o Congress. And he did not give the order to attack until after Congress had authorized it.
This is much yelping about nothing.
The concept that the US President might order military strikes on Iran to stop its nuclear weapons program has been on the table for the last 20 years. If Congress wanted to stop the President from being able to order such strikes, it had clear notice and capability to do so at any time.
If Congress wanted to authorize such strikes, it could have. 40 years of not doing so reflects more of the intent.
Who is the Commander in Chief? It sure as shit isn't anyone in Congress.
Leftists have ditched their Mexican flags and ordered same day delivery for their Iranian flags.
The President didn't declare war. He made a decision as the Commander in Chief for an emergency strike to take out the nuclear facilities of Iran, a country led by a regime whose entire religion and stated intent is based upon destroying the U.S. and Israel. Prior Presidents have taken similar actions in the past against hostile actors without a formal declaration of war.
The left is just upset because this successful action was taken by Trump. I can't take any of their arguments seriously when every statement and position is anti-Trump even if they have to flip from a previous stated position.
The left hates Trump so much that they are supporting a Iranian dictatorship even though the Iranian leadership has "Death to America" as their motto and stated goal. Get treatment for your TDS!
He ignored his intelligence and went with his intuition, it seems. He also seemed stoked to try out the fancy bombs,
Noting this unilateral action is unconstitutional and dangerous doesn’t mean you think Iran is cool and good. That’s some real shitty well poisoning you are trying for, and you should be ashamed.
“an emergency strike”
Even alarmists were saying they were months away from having a bomb, there’s no reason Congress couldn’t have cleared this as is consistent with the text of the Constitution. Why do MAGAns hate the Constitution, is it their TDS?
Iran might have moved the goods, or shot down the bombers, if it had advance notice of the attack.
They had good reason to know this was coming when Trump gave his two week ultimatum, Congress couldn’t have made a decision in a day’s debate and gave him permission to use it if and when he decided to.
The Constitution sometimes makes government action more difficult than it might otherwise be but it should be followed or changed.
this was the same argument made in 2003. So, I assune you supported the invasion of Iraq and think it went well.
But note that whatever else you can say about that decision, Bush didn't do it unilaterally; he secured Congressional approval first.
+1
Congress approved the Invasion of Iraq. Remember Hilary's statement, "I voted for it before I voted against it".
Lots of selective memory here.
liquidation theory of constitutional interpretation endorsed by Kagan, Barrett, and Kavanaugh it does. Under that theory, past actions that are long standing and generally uncontroverted, a practice shows original meaning.
https://review.law.stanford.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2019/01/Baude-71-Stan.-L.-Rev.-1-2019.pdf
Fancy term. Picking those three is somewhat arbitrary.
There is a basic concept known as precedent. There is also the concept of "history and tradition." Long practice and agreement can be a rebuttable presumption that something is acceptable.
It's a usual factor in determining what constitutional practices are acceptable. President James Madison referenced a form of it when acknowledging the national bank was constitutional.
Past practice does not clinch the deal.
Also, different situations often has different facts. For instance, illegal or not, the Libya bombing came "after the United Nations Security Council passed a resolution, spearheaded by his administration, that authorized military intervention in Libya."
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/19/barack-obama-libya-airstrikes-1224550
That at least as a matter of international law makes the situation somewhat different. Not that "Obama did it" should be a good argument for Trump supporters to defend his actions. They usually think Obama was a walking constitutional violator or something.
More here:
https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/olc/opinions/2011/04/31/authority-military-use-in-libya.pdf
Since I have a fairly strict concept of when the president can use force without clear congressional approval, I'm quite open to arguing Obama was wrong. He isn't in power now and not only are there degrees of wrong but there are degrees of recklessness.
I appreciate the "tentative" nature of the OP's remarks especially after someone (correctly) pushed back against the tone and level of assurance of a recent post.
What Trump did was in no way a difference of kind. As for degrees of recklessness that may be in the eye of the beholder. Some might argue Obama sending billions of dollars in cash to Iran was recklessness. Recklessness is often a function of which side of the aisle you are on.
And FTR, Prof. Somin was also against the U.S. intervention in Libya w/o Congressional approval, as well.
Just for the record, the last time the US declared war was in 1941, AFTER said war began. We did shoot back at the Japanese air force.
The prez attacking a foreign nation is almost as old as the US itself along with congress ignoring it. Jefferson attacked the Barbary Pirates without congressional authorization and there are plenty of other examples. Obama even launched an attack that killed American citizens and congress just stood by. Nothing to see here, move along, move along.
No, he did not.
Yes, he did. You should really stop lying about things that can be easily verified.
Looks like he had congressional approval:
“Just before Jefferson's inauguration in 1801, Congress passed naval legislation that, among other things, provided for six frigates that "shall be officered and manned as the President of the United States may direct." In the event of a declaration of war on the United States by the Barbary powers, these ships were to "protect our commerce and chastise their insolence—by sinking, burning or destroying their ships and vessels wherever you shall find them."[33]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War
Congress commissioned ships to deal with the eventuality of having to deal with forces such as the Barbary Pirates in exactly the way they commissioned bunker busters with the idea they might need to bust someone's bunker.
If you look at that little [33] in your wiki article, you will find that it is a thing called "a source" which is "The First Barbary War". Your source itself says:
See that line: "That action had been taken without any consultation with Congress" in your own source ?
No, he did not. As I posted yesterday:
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/STATUTE-2/pdf/STATUTE-2-Pg129.pdf#page=1
So the Iranian representative to the UN goes into the Federal courtroom in NYC and gets a judge to issue a TRO. Until/unless put on hold, If the president determines action is needed, does the military obey it or the president?
So, that would apply to Biden using B2s to attack bunkers in Yemen, last October?
How about Obama using drones to target and kill US Citizens?
This was addressed in the OP, ya goof.
And waiting for the OPs response.
Add to the equation: Clinton bombing Sudan in 1998?
What would apply?
For instance, there was an authorization of military force in 2001. If an American citizen fell within the acceptable targets pursuant to its terms, there would be congressional authorization. Unlike here.
To bring in pop-culture, maybe Colonel Jessup was a little right. We do need men on those walls. Not for some crappy outpost in Cuba, but for all of us in the country. Granted, Iran possesses no ability to hit the United States with an ICBM right now. And they didn't have nuclear capacity either, right now. Six months from now, a year, who knows. The rule of law is a wonderful thing and I've lived with it as a lawyer my entire life. But when someone says "Death" to you, perhaps you should be prudent and draw first.
With a working nuclear weapon, they don't NEED an ICBM. A shipping container will do the job just as well.
The rule of law is usually an inconvenience to fascists.
You obviously don't really care whether Iran had built nuclear weapons.
A gun design weapon was within a few weeks of effort 3 months ago.
Little Boy was built with 60% enriched uranium.
“ The rule of law is a wonderful thing and I've lived with it as a lawyer my entire life. But”
Jessup was the villain. Great performance. Amazing how it reveals so many yearn for The Boot.
But was he? Don't just follow the Hollywood hype. Was Caffey, the playboy joker who never tried a case because he sold out his clients for a quick plea really the hero? Or the soldier who kept his troops effective notwithstanding woke orders. No doubt Jessup was a dick, but he did what he was hired to do. And if we're going to do movies (which I like to do) take Crimson Tide. Who is right. Denzel, who violates orders and could have had the country destroyed, or Hackman who followed orders and could have destroyed the country and another one too. And yes, Sarcastr0, I'm having fun with you.
Your media analysis is that protagonist is flawed the guy excusing a murder is the hero?
No that was not what he was hired to do. Not the ends, and not the means, he thinks he’s great, but in the real world psychos don’t actually get the job done.
Both movies have people who ignore uncertainty, and both of them are bad guys who do bad things because of it.
Yeah Crimson Tide was a great movie too. It is an artificial scenario. But Hackman was wrong, and knew he was risking being wrong. It is funny I don’t know the names of the characters in that move just the stars.
You got Hard Men making Hard Decisions syndrome. It is simple. It makes for neato escapism. It’s a child’s view of the real world though.
Not a syndrome or a child. Just making fun of people who take themselves too seriously.
And the strange thing is you don't realize it.
Well, let's see what the Dem candidates said when this exact issue was asked of them in 2020:
"The Times specifically asked the presidential candidates about the view, backed by the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel (OLC), that "the Constitution authorizes the president, as commander in chief, to order the military to attack other countries without congressional permission if the president determines that this would be anticipatory self-defense or otherwise serve the interests of the United States—at least where the nature, scope and duration of the anticipated hostilities are 'limited.'" The paper also asked, "Under what circumstances other than a literally imminent threat to the United States, if any, does the Constitution permit a president to order an attack on another country without prior Congressional authorization?" And it wanted to know whether the candidates thought "bombing Iranian or North Korean nuclear facilities" would require congressional approval.
Here are the most telling responses, divided into unconstrained and constrained views of the president's war powers.
UNCONSTRAINED
Former Vice President Joe Biden (D): "The Constitution vests the President, as Commander in Chief and Chief Executive, with the power to direct limited U.S. military operations abroad without prior Congressional approval when those operations serve important U.S. interests and are of a limited nature, scope, and duration…Only in the most exigent circumstances would I use force without extensive consultation with Congress." Since "U.S. interests" are in the eye of the beholder and the president unilaterally decides when military operations are "limited" enough that they do not qualify as "war," this formulation amounts to a blank check. And notice that Biden promises "consultation" with Congress, which is emphatically not the same thing as seeking formal approval.
Sen. Kamala Harris (D–Calif.): "The President's top priority is to keep America secure, and I won't hesitate to do what it takes to protect our country in the face of an imminent threat in the future. But after almost two decades of war, it is long past time for Congress to rewrite the [2001] Authorization for Use of Military Force that governs our current military conflicts. The situations in Iran or North Korea would require careful consideration of all of the surrounding facts and circumstances." That was her entire response.
Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D–Minn.): "I agree with the Office of Legal Counsel's determination that the President is authorized to direct the use of force where the nature, scope and duration of the anticipated hostilities are limited. I also believe that the President has a solemn duty to protect and defend the United States and that the Constitution requires Congress to authorize war."
Rep. Tim Ryan (D–Ohio): "The President has a unique obligation to defend the country and it should be handled on a case-by-case basis on the actual security risk it poses to the country."
CONSTRAINED
South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg (D): "I am concerned that the Executive Branch has stretched the President's unilateral war-making authority too far.….[The OLC's position] acknowledges the reality that a President may need, in rare and extraordinary circumstances, to take swift action in response to attacks or imminent threats of attack. But while it may reflect history, it strays from our Constitution's design. Moreover, it lacks criteria for determining which 'national interests' qualify, as well as any identifiable limiting principles on what constitutes 'war.'"
Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D–Hawaii): "I do not agree with OLC reasoning. The president is the commander in chief of our armed forces. This gives the president the power to respond militarily to attacks on the United States. Congress maintains the responsibility to declare war. As FDR demonstrated when he asked Congress for a declaration of war after Pearl Harbor, the president must seek congressional authorization for actions beyond an immediate response to an injury of [or] threat of it. Article I, Section 8, Paragraph 11 unequivocally assigns the authority to authorize war to the Congress, not the Executive. We need to maintain military readiness but also respect the separation of powers that is the bulwark of our liberties as Americans."
Former Rep. Beto O'Rourke (D–Texas): "In situations where the use of force is necessary, absent an imminent threat to our national security, I will take that case to Congress and the American people to seek authorization."
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I–Vt.): "While the president has the authority over the conduct of war once it has been declared, the Founding Fathers gave the power to authorize military conflicts to Congress, the branch most accountable to the people. Certainly, [while] the president must have the ability to defend our country from imminent attacks or other extraordinary circumstances, the current guidelines violate the text and spirit of the Constitution, and have been used to justify military action that clearly falls under the authority of Congress's War Powers."
Former Rep. Joe Walsh (R–Ill.): "The OLC opinions on this matter leave too large a door for the executive branch to walk through when justifying unpopular use of force…Congress must have a meaningful role in contexts in which we are considering sending our troops to war. As President, I would commit to seeking congressional authorization before starting armed conflicts in new theatres against new adversaries.…It is inexcusable to exploit a statute passed just three days after the terrorist attacks of September 11th [the 2001 AUMF] to [support] military action abroad without congressional approval."
Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D–Mass.): "There are some situations—such as repelling an attack on the United States and protecting the lives and property of Americans abroad—that have been recognized for more than a hundred and fifty years to allow for the use of force without prior congressional authorization. But in recent decades the Justice Department has significantly expanded that category. These newer justifications, which consider national interests and the anticipated nature, scope, and duration of hostilities, are so broad and flexible that they offer few logical or practical limits and can be used to initiate conflicts that Congress should have to authorize."
https://reason.com/2019/09/11/here-is-what-the-2020-candidates-say-about-the-presidents-power-to-wage-war-without-congressional-approval/?itm_source=parsely-api
Seems pretty clear they were for it before they were against it. This is why it is hard to take the anti-Trump crowd seriously, without double standards they'd have no standards at all.
I guess it is only unconstitutional and illegal if a Republican does it and doubly so if it is Trump. Meanwhile, Democrats can do no wrong.
The problem with selective enforcement of the law is that sooner or later you don’t have any real laws.
"Almost any plausible alternative government would be better."
Ah, yes. What could go wrong?
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