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Alabama Defendants in Youth Gender Medicine Case May Disclose Discovery Documents from World Professional Association for Transgender Health
Monday's decision by Judge Liles Burke (M.D. Ala.) in Boe v. Marshall dealt with whether the defendants should be able to publicly disclose documents that they had obtained in discovery. (The underlying case involves a challenge to Alabama's restrictions on youth gender medicine.) First, the factual background:
The World Professional Association for Transgender Health ("WPATH") touts its guidelines and standards of care for treating transgender children as the product of rigorous science and broad consensus. Given this wide acceptance of what WPATH claims to be reliable evidence, one would think it would be willing and eager to demonstrate as much. It is not….
This case began in 2022 when the Plaintiffs filed their complaint and moved for a preliminary injunction to block enforcement of an Alabama law restricting the use of certain medications in children diagnosed with gender dysphoria. Over the course of three days, the Court heard testimony from multiple expert witnesses who touted WPATH as the leading authority responsible for developing the prevailing guidelines and standards of care for physicians treating children with gender dysphoria. In an affidavit, one of the Plaintiffs' medical experts stated that WPATH "has been recognized as the standard-setting organization for the treatment of gender dysphoria for more than forty years." [Further details omitted. -EV] … In other words, the Plaintiffs and many of the amici believe that WPATH is the preeminent leader in the field of transgender medicine for children.
Unsurprisingly, the Defendants sought discovery from WPATH regarding, among other things, the evidence it used to develop its guidelines and standards of care. But surprisingly, the organization allegedly responsible for creating the benchmark for gender dysphoria treatment was not so keen on turning over the evidence it used to develop that standard. WPATH resisted the Defendants' subpoena at every turn. Given its own characterization of its guidelines and standards, one would expect WPATH to welcome the opportunity to put the supporting evidence on display.
WPATH initially filed a motion to quash the subpoena arguing, among other things, that the information the Defendants sought was somehow not relevant to the case. Given that "WPATH's guidelines are part and parcel of Plaintiffs' proposed constitutional standard in this case" this Court found that argument preposterous and denied the motion. WPATH then moved to certify that order for an interlocutory appeal and to stay its obligation to produce any discovery until that appeal was resolved. When those motions were denied, WPATH unsuccessfully petitioned the United States Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit for mandamus relief. In denying the petition for a writ of mandamus, the Eleventh Circuit found that the Defendants "demonstrated a compelling need for the information" WPATH sought to suppress.
Although this Court denied WPATH's motion to stay, WPATH nevertheless delayed production, prompting the Court to remind its counsel of that fact at a hearing three months after the motion to quash was denied. ("I also hear you say, hey, Judge, you know, the minute you tell us to start producing, we will. I really have already said to start producing.").
So, it comes as no surprise that the Court is again resolving a discovery dispute involving WPATH. Before the Court is the Defendants' motion to remove the "Confidential—Attorney's Eyes Only" designation from hundreds of video recordings produced by WPATH during discovery pursuant to a stipulated protective order. Under that protective order, these videos, which depict various symposia on transgender healthcare held in recent years, are required to be destroyed within 60 days of the case's termination. Because the parties dismissed the case on May 1, 2025, the deadline for destruction is June 30, 2025.
In their motion, the Defendants argue that the recordings should not be considered confidential under the protective order because they were made available to the public by WPATH and its affiliate, USPATH. The recordings are from presentations and panel discussions from WPATH and USPATH symposia in 2021, 2022, and 2023, and a 2023 medical training course. The Defendants emphasize that access to these events was not limited to WPATH members but was open to anyone who registered and paid a fee. Moreover, the videos were made available to attendees after the event.
The Defendants further argue that the recordings do not meet any of the criteria for confidentiality under the protective order. Accordingly, they request that the Court find the videos at issue do not qualify as confidential under the protective order and were improperly designated as such during discovery.
The court noted that the materials were discovery materials that weren't filed in court, so there was no public right of access to them. But there was still the question whether defendants, who had gotten the documents through discovery, should continue to be legally barred from disclosing them. And the court said no:
Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 26(c) allows a court to issue a protective order upon a finding of good cause…. WPATH has the burden of demonstrating Rule 26(c)'s applicability…. Rule 26(c) provides in pertinent part, that "[t]he court may, for good cause, issue an order to protect a party or person from annoyance, embarrassment, oppression, or undue burden or expense…." …
WPATH argues that "[w]idespread dissemination of these videos to the public could subject WPATH, USPATH, their members, and unaffiliated individuals who happened to attend these conferences to harassment, particularly given the highly charged atmosphere surrounding issues related to gender-affirming care."
The Defendants point out that a party seeking the court's protection under Rule 26(c) must make a "particular and specific demonstration of fact" and cannot rely on "stereotyped or conclusory statements." "[G]eneralized, subjective assertions of fear … without a distinct concrete harm justifying good cause" are insufficient. Aside from the conclusory statement quoted above, WPATH gives no detail about why the release of these videos could cause such harassment.
WPATH also claims that, because it charges a registration fee for its symposia, making the videos publicly available would harm their economic interests. It also claims that public release of the videos could chill the exercise of protected First Amendment rights by making people less likely to present or contribute at a conference.
But beyond these vague suppositions, WPATH offers nothing to substantiate its position. Even WPATH's declarations fail to provide more than a few conclusory statements about any of these issues. The only support for these last two assertions is a single sentence in an affidavit from WPATH's Associate Executive Director stating that "[s]peakers and presenters would be less willing to contribute to symposia and training events if their presentations would be made public, and WPATH and USPATH would be less likely to incur the costs of organizing symposia and training events if the public could obtain access to presentations without paying the costs of attendance or paying to access recordings." Without more, the Court finds that WPATH has failed to meet its burden of demonstrating that the videos in question were properly designated as confidential under Rule 26(c).
The court also rejected WPATH's argument that "it has a legal duty to protect the confidentiality and use of the videos," because the "[p]resenters granted WPATH and USPATH a limited license to use the recordings for educational purposes only, [and] [a]ttendance at the events was limited to paying participants who agreed not to record or reproduce the material without the explicit consent of the presenters." The relevant agreements between WPATH and the conferences, the court concluded, didn't impose any duty of confidentiality.
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What is in the videos that WPATH does not want disclosed? That is my question.
Does this kind of thing happen often, where one party in a case wants everything from discovery sealed? I could see sealing being used in Family Court, in order to psychologically protect children, or parents.
Are the video's copyrighted? Would that matter here?
Not hard to figure out why they dont want disclosure.
In order to experience a sexual climax, one must have adult genitals. The blockage or removal of these before Tanner Stage 2 will prevent that experience permanently. Is that in the consent form? I would also like a recording of a speech where the doctor explains to an 8 year old boy what a sexual climax is.
I thought discovery entered the documents into the public record. What is the controversy in this case? I would appreciate a review of cases where the threat of discovery led to a settlement by the discoverable party.
You're mistaken. Only the use of the documents in the litigation does — i.e., if one makes a motion based on those documents (or introduces them at trial.)
I would expect the videos are covered by copyright and that seems to me like the strongest argument to restrict duplication or distribution of them. On the other hand, there’s also an extremely strong case to be made that distributing them in connection with public commentary on, and criticism of, the positions taken by WPATH would mean that such distribution is fair use. I am inclined to think that the fair use argument has more weight in this case.
They probably show the same types of things that got the case dismissed in the first place.
"Does this kind of thing happen often, where one party in a case wants everything from discovery sealed?"
Pretty close to 100% of cases involving a business, yes. For more information you might check out a legal blog called the Volokh Conspiracy, which occasionally covers the increasing problem of motions to seal discovery.
Is the purpose of revealing it to embarrass them? That's hardly a legitimate use of discovery.
It can be. Suppose in discovery with a scientific researcher you discover that their data was generated using a 20 sided die. That would be highly embarrassing if it got out, is it thus not a legitimate use of discovery?
No. The only legitimate use of documents forcibly produced under discovery is in a court proceeding. Now, if you were suing the researcher about his fraudulent methodology, then yes, that would be legitimate. But just to embarass him? No, that's not how the system is supposed to work.
That said, I think the judge's decision in this case was reasonable. WPATH had already made the documents widely available. Their claims of future economic harm were too tenuous.
I'm thinking it falls into the "contrary to public policy" exception: No privacy interest in concealing wrongdoing.
That ... would be an interesting argument. It would have to be a very fact-specific exception to the general rule.
And I'm not sure those facts are available in this case. Do we have any evidence that WPATH committed any wrongdoing that is concealed within those generally-available (though paywalled) videos? Or are we merely supposing that because they want to hide them, there must be wrongdoing? "Where there's smoke, there's fire" is a useful heuristic in general life but it's a poor rule for the use of government force.
I'd also question whether that argument was actually made by any of the parties in this case.
We don't know what's in those videos, but the defendants and WPATH do, and apparently WPATH thinks it would be damaging if they got out. Apparently so do the defendants, they're no friends of WPATH.
I'm just pointing out that 'embarrassing' somebody can, in fact, be a legitimate reason for releasing documents obtained by discovery. If the 'embarrassment' is exposure of wrongdoing. Not just exposure of something squicky.
Is it in this case? Like you said, that would be fact intensive.
WPATH is an activist organization so I’m assuming their backup for what they consider “rigorous science” is rivaled only by flat Earth theory proofs in it’s scientific rigor. Having the details in public would be devastating.
Yes. It is an organization of child abusers that claims to have scientific backing, but it is all bogus. Of course they do not want to explain why they promote transgenderism.
Yes. (Though, to be clear, this isn't about "sealing" anything. That term refers to keeping actual documents filed with the court away from the public.)
As an educator -- not a psychologist -- I run into this as a time.
Psychologists want to be a closed guild -- and want to be treated as such, restricting all their knowledge to themselves.
For example, an engineer can't simply say "in mt opinion the bridge was safe" -- the engineer has to explain the opinion, e.g. the "working load" of the steel beams, and he has to cite the source of his numbers. Same thing with an auditor, and "standard accepted accounting practices" are publicly available.
But the Voodoo Scientist wants to be able to say that a boy should be mutilated into a girl without having to explain why. I think you will find that there were certain requirements to attend that conference.
https://www.heritage.org/gender/commentary/sex-reassignment-doesnt-work-here-the-evidence
Trans surgeries increase risk of mental health conditions, suicidal ideations: study
Gender dysphoria patients experienced ‘heightened psychological distress’ two years after surgery
I don't think any person making a medical decision would read a think tank website.
You think wrong.
Heritage and its numerous peers on the left have money -- and that means they have the ability to find and publicize studies with which they disagree.
That does not corrupt the underlying study -- a honest study done by honest people remains honest. Of course you know which side it supports, but then WPATH's studies support the other side.
So you read both, and then you look at the references which both cite (some of which you will be familiar with if this is your field), perhaps look up a few of those if you don't know any, and get a feel of how solid the conclusions of the conflicting studies are.
BTW: THIS is why WPATH didn't want their studies to get out -- people would review them. People like me might point out methodology issues. People familiar with the issue might point out other stuff, or things they skipped over.
The intelligent person reads the research supporting the other side, both to see the mistakes they made to reach their conclusions, and the minute possibility that they actually are right.
They're not going to get more impartial information from WPATH, you know.
am holding my comments until TomDPerky has weighed in.
WPATH and it's associates are right to be concerned about potential exposure to harrassments of varying severity, given the fact that everything touching on sex and gender has become a political litmus test and wedge issue. But they are wrong in asserting that therefore their scientific inquiries and presentations must be so much less transparent than the work of other professional groups developing definitions and guidelines for their fields.
My suggestion would be that WPATH must provide or consent to public access to their discovery documents, but that some kind of redaction could be applied. This could amount to the anonymizing of all the WPATH materials, although I personally don't know how one could do that with videos. Some kind of "movie magic" method, perhaps.
Their field -- psychology -- wants to be exempt from the requirements of other fields.
1. Although I doubt I would be very sympathetic to WPATH, I have to say the judge comes across as somewhat hostile to them. Maybe they annoyed him in court, but he sounds like it will be a cold day in Hell before he’s going to credit anything they say.
2. Their argument about economic harm, though pretextual, is hard to reject on principle. I wonder if they’d have a better case if they made the videos available for money.
3. Since they’re the plaintiffs and so invited this discovery I’m not weeping too hard for them. But if they were the defendants I’d think they’d been a little hard done by.
They are not the plaintiffs.
I stand corrected. They are a pro plaintiff amicus. My sympathy levels remain unchanged.
The general principle as far as I am concerned is that if you have been dragged unwilling into court it’s unfair to have to disclose your private affairs to the world rather than just to the other team. But if you’re there of your own volition that’s different.
WPATH was one of 23 groups that signed onto an Amicus Curiae brief. They would have been subject to discovery regardless. In rejecting the motion to quash (docket number 263), the judge wrote, “WPATH’s guidelines are part and parcel of Plaintiffs’ proposed constitutional standard in this case.” A footnote added, “To be clear, the requested information’s relevance is not dependent upon WPATH having signed the brief of amici curiae (Doc. 91-1). Its relevance is spawned from Plaintiffs’ theory of the case.” The 11th Circuit agreed: “even if Petitioner had established disclosure would infringe on its associational rights, the Respondent demonstrated a compelling need for the information.”
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ca11.82945/gov.uscourts.ca11.82945.31.2.pdf
Am I the only one here who hears "warpath" every time they read "WPATH"? I wonder if it was intended, and they just couldn't find a basis for the A and R?
There is an audio analog to the Rorschach test
The concept of "Rorschach audio" refers to the phenomenon of the brain perceiving patterns and meaning in ambiguous sounds "Rorschach audio" serves as a metaphor for understanding how our personal biases can color our perception and interpretation of ambiguous stimuli, whether visual or auditory.
So it does say something about you
I agree. Brett is just showing us his toxic masculinity. He’s probably the sort of hopeless case for whom the expression “lawfare” conjures a vision of argumentative pasty faced men with thick spectacles and tiny penises fantasising about martial glory.
As opposed to Warriors for Justice. Sorry strike that. Scriveners for Justice.
Lee
Are you complaining about WPATH's toxic medical and mental health treatment protocols for those suffering from the gender confusion mental illness or are you complaining about Brett pointed it out?
Neither, I'm poking fun at the Lawfare crowd.
Your sarcasm detector needs a fresh battery.
Oh, of course I know it does say something about me, I was just wondering how widespread hearing it that way was, and if maybe they'd coyly intended it when designing their acronym. I know I'm not alone in reading it that way.
“Rorschach test”
Is that the one where they show you pictures of your mom having sex?
No, it's the one that involves watching clips from Watchmen.
WorPATH - pronounced the same.