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Second Amendment Roundup: S&W Sí, Mexico No
“The AR–15 is the most popular rifle in the country.”
On June 5, in an unanimous decision by Justice Elena Kagan, the Supreme Court ruled in Smith & Wesson Brands, Inc. v. Estados Unidos Mexicanos that Mexico failed plausibly to plead that the American firearm industry aided and abetted unlawful sales routing guns to Mexican drug cartels. The decision not only adds teeth to the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA), it also recognizes that semiautomatic rifles like the AR-15 are in wide use by Americans, verifying that they meet Heller's common-use test.
While the Court does not expressly mention that PLCAA reaffirms Second Amendment rights, it does reference the preamble of the law, which explicitly set forth one primary purpose of PLCAA is to protect the Second Amendment rights of Americans. The Court then explained how the law protects the firearm industry from civil lawsuits blaming the industry for crimes and torts committed by third parties. It provides that "a qualified civil liability action" – defined as a civil suit against a manufacturer or seller of a firearm or firearm part (called a "qualified product") – may not be brought in any federal or state court.
Excluded from PLCAA is the "predicate exception," defined as "an action in which a manufacturer or seller of a qualified product knowingly violated a State or Federal statute applicable to the sale or marketing of the product, and the violation was a proximate cause of the harm for which relief is sought…." That includes acts in which a dealer or manufacturer knowingly makes false entries in records or conspires to sell a firearm to a prohibited person. If such violation is the proximate cause of harm, then liability arises from a third party's misuse of a gun.
Mexico claimed that Smith & Wesson and other manufacturers aided and abetted the third-party misuse of guns in Mexico. First, they supplied guns to dealers who sold guns to traffickers. Second, they allegedly failed to impose extra-legal controls on their distribution networks. And third, they supposedly make "design and marketing decisions" to stimulate cartel demand, such as production of "'military-style' assault weapons" and use of inscriptions that appeal to cartel members (like the "Emiliano Zapata 1911" pistol).
But Mexico's complaint failed to allege any specific criminal transactions by the manufacturers. Its claim that they sell guns to "known rogue dealers" (which it did not even identify) did not count as aiding and abetting. That claim could not be taken at face value, as "Mexico never confronts that the manufacturers do not directly supply any dealers, bad-apple or otherwise. They instead sell firearms to middlemen distributors, whom Mexico has never claimed lack independence."
Mexico further claimed that manufacturers did not regulate dealer practices, such as banning bulk sales or sales from homes. But federal law imposes no such requirement.
Finally, in the Court's view, Mexico's claims about the "design and marketing decisions" of manufacturers were of no consequence. The Court explained:
Mexico here focuses on the manufacturers' production of "military style" assault weapons, among which it includes AR–15 rifles, AK–47 rifles, and .50 caliber sniper rifles…. But those products are both widely legal and bought by many ordinary consumers. (The AR–15 is the most popular rifle in the country….)
For that last proposition, the Court cites T. Gross, How the AR–15 Became the Bestselling Rifle in the U.S., NPR (Apr. 20, 2023). Although that article is filled with inaccuracies, it states that the AR-15 "now pretty much dominates the rifle market in the U.S. and is one of the most popular … guns, period, sold…." It adds that, "using industry estimates and production estimates, … about 20 million AR-15s have been sold in … the last couple of decades in the U.S." And it has "market dominance … 1-in-4 guns manufactured these days – it's unmistakable."
So now we have all nine Justices agreeing that the AR-15 is "widely legal and bought by many ordinary consumers" and "is the most popular rifle in the country." That comes on the heels, as we discussed here, of the Court denying cert in Snope v. Brown, in which Justice Kavanaugh stated that "Americans today possess an estimated 20 to 30 million AR–15s," strongly implied that the Fourth Circuit "erred by holding that Maryland's ban on AR–15s complies with the Second Amendment," and predicted that "this Court should and presumably will address the AR–15 issue soon, in the next Term or two." And don't forget Justice Sotomayor stating in Garland v. Cargill that AR-15s are "commonly available, semiautomatic rifles."
On a personal note, I'm grateful for the Justices buttressing the validity of the title of my latest book, America's Rifle: The Case for the AR-15.
While one cannot predict how every Justice would rule on a ban on semiauto rifles, the Court held in Heller that the Second Amendment protects arms that are "in common use at the time" for "lawful purposes like self-defense" or are "typically possessed by law-abiding citizens for lawful purposes." And because the "in common use" test arises from the history portion of the Court's "text first, history second" interpretative methodology, the burden actually lies with the government to demonstrate that the subject arm is not in common use. Unfortunately, in upholding bans, lower courts are pretending not to understand the common-use test, if not ridiculing and obstructing it.
As Justice Kagan continued in Smith & Wesson, "The manufacturers cannot be charged with assisting in criminal acts just because Mexican cartel members like those guns too. The same is true of firearms with Spanish-language names or graphics alluding to Mexican history." Even if desired by cartel members, "they also may appeal, as the manufacturers rejoin, to 'millions of law-abiding Hispanic Americans.'" (As I pointed out here after oral argument, it turns out that the engravings were put on the pistols by a distributor, not by Colt.)
Accordingly, Mexico failed adequately to allege the predicate exception under PLCAA, the purpose of which was "to halt a flurry of lawsuits attempting to make gun manufacturers pay for the downstream harms resulting from misuse of their products." Mexico's claims "would swallow most of the rule," which requires that a manufacturer violate a gun law and seek to have an unlawful act succeed.
Since Mexico failed to make a plausible claim for aiding-and-abetting liability, "We need not address the proximate cause question…." It would have been helpful had the Court resolved that issue as well, because many anti-industry suits don't involve aiding-and-abetting liability but are based on theories that are antithetical to traditional concepts of proximate cause. Despite that, the tone of the decision in recalling the purpose of PLCAA will be helpful in other cases.
Concurring, Justice Thomas noted that the decision did not resolve what would be required to show a "violation" of a gun law under the predicate exception. That would arguably require not just an allegation, but an actual finding of guilt or liability in an earlier adjudication. "Allowing plaintiffs to proffer mere allegations of a predicate violation would force many defendants in PLCAA litigation to litigate their criminal guilt in a civil proceeding, without the full panoply of protections that we otherwise afford to criminal defendants."
Justice Jackson also concurred, noting the complaint's failure to allege any nonconclusory statutory violation. But "PLCAA reflects Congress's view that the democratic process, not litigation, should set the terms of gun control." Mexico faulted the industry for practices that are lawful and sought to have the courts become the regulators, despite that "Congress passed PLCAA to preserve the primacy of the political branches—both state and federal—in deciding which duties to impose on the firearms industry."
From the beginning, Mexico's suit against the American firearms industry was not a sincere PLCAA claim brought to remedy cartel violence. It was instigated and lawyered by the anti-gun political movement that PLCAA was enacted to curtail. The Supreme Court's 9-0 decision is a refreshing reaffirmation that the Supreme Court can get it right.
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Time to sue Mexico for the damages from their being a failed narco state. Seize their assets in civil forfeiture.
One wonders who is buying the palettes of cinderblocks to break up and to throw at police cars. Who is supplying the large Mexican flags being flown in the LA riot? Trace the funding to the tech bros, and take their assets in civil forfeiture.
While it is not illegal to give a Mexican (or Nazi) flag to whomever you please, the logistics tail for large flags like that would be significant. Even with the internet, someone has to have them in a warehouse somewhere, and it takes a day or two to get them to you.
Maybe there is a wholesaler in Mexico that stocks a lot of those big flags (which usually don’t sell that quickly, where did they come from? Or were they obtained months ago in anticipation of this need?
Significant for what? You want to trace who sells them clothes and shoes too?
If Mexico can try and sue American gun manufacturers for the misuse of their product by others, then certainly the US can sue Mexico for these big flags being waived at the riot.
/sarcasm
(They’re probably made in China and imported by Americans in SoCal.)
This just has the footprints of Roberts all over it. We deny cert in Snope but put in a unanimous opinion that the AR-15 is “commonly” owned–thereby almost forcing by logical conclusion for every lower court to consider it a fully protected arm.
The sort of subterfuge that the Chief Justice engages in is simply not worthy of the highest court in the land.
“Almost” forcing. But not actually forcing.
Agreed that the Court should approach this, and all other topics, much more straightforwardly. They should already have been handing out summary reversals like party favors, not refusing cert, in reaction to the resistance of some of the circuits to actually applying their precedents in this area.
Yeah, I can see lower courts saying that those statements were dicta. Even though all the bad anti-gun stuff that was dicta in Heller is cited as scripture.
Snope was a dumb case for pro-gun advocates.
The MD ban doesn’t actually ban AR-15s.
So there’s no meaningful harm, and the result would be upholding the MD ban.
I don’t know why people keep saying this. I was thinking of moving to MD a few years back and the state police told me no freaking way: Keep that AR in West Virginia. It is a felony to bring it here.
IIRC there was a date in 2013 that prior to that date you could still own the banned weapons. My AR was made sometime in 2013 but the manufacturer couldn’t pin down the exact date. I called the state police again and was told, “Didn’t ya hear us the first time? Leave it out of here.” (not really but that’s what it felt like). One of the reasons we didn’t go, plus no carry permits pre-Bruen. Constitutional carry in WV.
But we have posters on here claiming that all that is false. That there is no AR-15 ban in Maryland and that everyone must have lost their minds litigating the case through the Fourth Circuit.
It’s like saying that there’s no book ban, on the basis that there are still some books you’re allowed to own.
They really want us to concede that the government CAN ban guns, and have the fight be over which guns get banned.
So is that why they are pretending to be coy? That some AR-15’s modified to meet MD’s guidelines and older ones are permitted, therefore there is no “ban” as you are able to get something called an “AR-15”?
I mean, something is going on. They didn’t waste all this money taking a case up to SCOTUS when there was no ban. The case would have been over immediately. MD would have answered that it had no ban on AR-15s and the plaintiffs would have said “Well, then, thank you for that!” and MD residents could have bought their full complement of AR-15s.
I’m glad it was 9-0, but,
“But “PLCAA reflects Congress’s view that the democratic process, not litigation, should set the terms of gun control.” ”
No, PLCAA reflects Congress’s view that the Constitution, not litigation, should set the terms of gun control. Jackson’s formulation would let Congress walk all over the 2nd amendment. And that’s no accident, because Jackson doesn’t want the 2nd amendment to be any protection of this right.
Here’s the text of the PLCAA: It’s very clear that it was about shielding constitutional rights against attack via litigation, not preserving the prerogative of the legislative branch to set gun control policy.
“SEC. 2. FINDINGS; PURPOSES.
(a) FINDINGS.—Congress finds the following:
(1) The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution provides that the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
(2) The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution protects the rights of individuals, including those who are not members of a militia or engaged in military service or training, to keep and bear arms.
…
Such an expansion of liability would constitute a deprivation of the rights, privileges, and immunities guaranteed to a citizen of the United States under the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution.”
“(b) PURPOSES.—The purposes of this Act are as follows:
…
(3) To guarantee a citizen’s rights, privileges, and immunities, as applied to the States, under the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, pursuant to section 5 of that Amendment.
…
(5) To protect the right, under the First Amendment to the Constitution, of manufacturers, distributors, dealers, and importers of firearms or ammunition products, and trade associations, to speak freely, to assemble peaceably, and to petition the Government for a redress of their grievances.”
“It’s very clear that it was about shielding constitutional rights against attack via litigation, not preserving the prerogative of the legislative branch to set gun control policy.”
Agree that’s the most persuasive reading of that language.
You wouldn’t ordinarily see that degree of bipartisanship on something relating to guns, otherwise, but even many Democrats who didn’t like the 2nd amendment were rather concerned that, if this mode of attack were permitted to compromise the 2nd amendment, it could be deployed against other rights, too, including some they liked.
I’d actually have preferred a more generally applicable law, myself, making clear that this sort of litigation via attribution of third party actions was just generally prohibited, regardless of target.
I personally kind of doubt that you could get the PLCAA enacted again under today’s level of political polarization.
I agree; litigation threatening the free exercise of any constitutional right should have been included, but this language does have the advantage of being explicit in terms of the 2nd Amendment (so it cannot be conveniently “forgotten” within the context of a law of broad application).
However, it is not Congress’ job to interpret the Constitution. Congress can legislatively cite the Constitution all it wants, but it is the Supreme Court which is empowered to interpret which actions ultimately interfere with constitutional rights and which do not.
In that sense, Jackson is right: The democratic process (i.e., Congress) gets to decide how private litigation may be conducted in relation to guns and gun control [but only within the boundaries set by the Supreme Court, interpreting the Constitution]. She just omitted the latter part (conveniently or otherwise).
” However, it is not Congress’ job to interpret the Constitution.”
It is, in fact, the job of every branch of government to interpret the Constitution, so as to independently vindicate their own oaths to uphold and defend it. Even in cases where the judiciary might abdicate their own responsibility to do so.
Yes, it is their job to uphold and defend it–the same goes for every oath-taker in the other branches of government–but it is not their job to interpret the Constitution (so long as we’re going with Marbury v Madison…).
Had Congress instead chosen to explicitly reject the “rights, privileges, and immunities guaranteed to a citizen of the United States under the Fourteenth Amendment” in the perfunctory section of the PLCAA (and yet still prohibited any private litigation in that area), their explicit rejection of the fundamental rights expressed in the 2nd Amendment would not have created any controlling legal precedent.
You, trivially, can’t uphold something without having an interpretation of it. And if the judiciary says that their interpretation of an amendment allows you to do something your own interpretation bars, your oath requires you to refrain from it despite the judiciary being willing to let you.
So, even during Jim Crow, agents of the government were perfectly entitled to refrain from racial discrimination on the basis that it was unconstitutional, even though the Court didn’t care.
Now, it’s another matter in the opposite circumstance, where your interpretation says you CAN do something, and the judiciary says you can’t.
Reading the concurrence she seems to hang her view on this: “Congress expressed concern that these lawsuits “attempt[ed] to use the judicial branch to circumvent the Legislative branch.” §7901(a)(8). PLCAA embodies Congress’s express rejection of such efforts—stymying those who, as Congress put it, sought “to accomplish through litigation that which they have been unable to achieve by legislation.” H. R. Rep. No. 109–124, at 18”
It’s not nothing but I agree eliding the statutory language you provided seems incomplete at best.
Man, that’s pretty deep in the footnotes, literally!
PLCAA was passed via the political process.
In the end it’s the the political legislative power, not independent constitutional power, that gives it any authority.
It’s character as a statute is not changed by it’s prefatory language.
Yes, and the various civil rights acts were passed via the political process, but they were still vindicating constitutional rights, not purely politically constructed rights, and that’s where they derived their force from: That you could point to actual constitutional text that Congress was simply deciding to defend.
Congress was explicit with the PLCAA: That it was Section 5 enabling legislation, based on the 14th amendment, to defend two specific amendments in the Bill of Rights. Not just, “Oh, we’d like to let people have this privilege, which we could totally extinguish if we felt like it.”
Don’t you think the civil rights acts are unconstitutional?
Anyhow, the judiciary gets to say what the law is. Congress saying their law is vindicating their take on what the Constitution should mean is precisely that. I’d say it’s persuasive but not binding.
It’s a bit binding on the question of legislative intent I’d say.
How does that manifest practically, though? I can’t think of a functional change in how the law would operate or be interpreted if you took the language out.
I think that’s a fair point.
It doesn’t make a fundamental change in how the law is applied. It just establishes that Jackson was wrong about the basis of the law: It was, explicitly, Section 5 enabling legislation in defense of the 1st and 2nd amendments. NOT a defense of legislative prerogatives.
About the only difference it makes is that they cited a constitutional basis for the law outside of the commerce clause or Congressional power to do jurisdiction stripping.
Departmentalism is not the law of the land.
You got mad at a Justice for not following the formalities of BrettLaw.
I got disappointed in a Justice for lying about the explicit purpose of a law. She’s read the law, she knows perfectly well that it was, explicitly, to vindicate constitutional rights.
They’re just constitutional rights she disapproves of, so even in upholding the law she needs to misrepresent it, trying to put the entire weight of what is explicitly Section 5 enabling legislation on a minor footnote.
Your telepathy keeps finding everyone who disagrees with your constitutional take cis being outcome oriented.
Isn’t that ironic?
I once again remind you that parsing English sentences isn’t “telepathy”, no matter how much trouble you have doing it yourself.
No, I think the civil rights acts are unconstitutional, as applied to private conduct. They’re perfectly constitutional to the degree they apply to state actors. “No state shall… nor shall any state”. States are in a different position in regards to the 14th amendment than private individuals are.
“Anyhow, the judiciary gets to say what the law is.”
The judiciary gets to say what the judiciary will say the law is in a courtroom. They don’t get to say what the other two branches will treat it as outside a courtroom. So the other two branches are perfectly entitled to defend parts of the Constitution the judiciary doesn’t care about, and indeed should do so more often.
1. You are writing 14A section 5 out of the Constitution
2. The legislature can say it’s take on what the Constitution says all it wants, but that’s by design outside the reach of the legislative power. So there is no practical upshot.
1. No, I’m not. When you enact enabling legislation, it has to be enabling something that’s actually in the amendment, not something you just made up. You’re not enabling the 14th amendment when you regulate private conduct.
Which is why a good deal of the Civil Rights acts are actually based on the commerce clause power, not the 14th amendment, you might notice.
2. The practical upshot of the independent duty is normally that the non-judicial branch refrains from doing something the judiciary would, wrongfully in their opinion, permit. Sometimes you’ll get some more aggressive action, though, like the RFRA being enacted after Employment Division vs Smith.
Congress can pass legislation in support of constitutional rights. For example they could pass laws requiring states npt to impose excessive taxation ( would be defined in the law) on guns or ammo to prevent that taxation from infringing on an individual’s gun rights. Legislation protecting rights is well within Congress’s authority.
Right, the various enabling clauses in amendments are there to give Congress to enact legislation on that topic that Congress could not otherwise enact, on account of it being outside their normal enumerated powers.
So, Congress would not ordinarilly have jurisdiction over state tax levels, but if a state attempts to suppress the exercise of a civil right by taxing it, Congress can under the 14th amendment legislate a prohibition on doing that.
that caught my eye too. “Legislation prevails over litigation” means if Congress outlaws anything in the 2A space, KBJ would consider it nonjusticiable?
Probably she would. The three ‘liberals’ are not terribly fond of the 2nd amendment, Sotomayor and Kagan dissented from Bruen, and Jackson said in her Rahimi concurrence that she would have, too.
Alternatively, she chose not to state the obvious.
She could have done that even more tersely by joining the majority opinion…
Breaking:
“The police in Austria are responding to gunshots fired in a secondary school in the southern city of Graz.
Officers are still trying to clarify the situation on the ground and coordinate a response that includes specially-trained COBRA units, Austria’s version of a SWAT team. According to the Austrian public broadcaster ORF, officials have confirmed several dead, including the shooter.
Graz is Austria’s second-largest city and a vibrant, wealthy university town. It last experienced a major mass attack a decade ago, when a man killed three people and injured three dozen more in a vehicular rampage through the city’s streets that ended with him attacking bystanders with a knife.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/10/world/europe/austria-school-shooting.html
Maybe 3 people in the United States didn’t realize that this was not about “cartel violence. It was instigated and lawyered by the anti-gun political” hacks, which by the way goes against Ilya’s recent column ” Synergies Between Litigation and Political Action in Resisting Trump” JUST DESTROYS IT, everybody knows this was political liltigation masking bullshit 🙂
True, it was a continuation of the cooperation between Mexico and the Obama administration in attacking American gun ownership, premised on the silly notion that the Mexican cartels are armed from American gun stores, rather than Mexican army armories.
Obama tried to create the illusion this was really true, with his gun-running program to Mexico, “Fast and Furious”.
I suspect that if it were investigated properly, you’d find some Logan act violations behind it, Obama’s people still negotiating with the Mexican government to oppose the US’s interests despite long being out of power.
“Obama tried to create the illusion this was really true, with his gun-running program to Mexico, “Fast and Furious”.
I suspect that if it were investigated properly, you’d find”
I’d suspect this is more suspecting than finding.
You know, there’s a reason I said, “I suspect”, rather than, “I have proof that”.
Sure, though, it’s certainly possible that, having been prompted back during the Obama administration to assist them with this sort of attack, the Mexican government kept the ball rolling entirely on their end, without any further pressure. Maybe pretending that they’re not arming the cartels themselves is just that important to them.
Or just not wanting to own the violence and disorder in their country. Pols love to blame anyone else.
Sure, but actually bringing a lawsuit in US courts to advance the agenda of the American gun control movement seems like a suspiciously specific to American politics way of blaming us.
Is it? You get to say it’s US gun companies or US pols at fault either way it turns out. Win-win.
I guess iot was not politically feasible for them to actually ban the import of the defendants’ products into the country.
They already had. They were trying to indirectly enforce that ban by denying Americans the products, too.
So it’s your theory, about a conspiracy?
If only there were already a term for that…
People are allowed to have suspicions, you know. That’s all it is.
Eric Holder also could disabuse the conspiracies by answering subpoenas served during the Fast and Furious investigations. But he hasn’t. Yet.
As one who’s built (i.e. assembling parts kits) multiple AR-15’s I have to admit the AK’s a better rifle, the Russians took the best parts of the Wehrmachts “Sturmgewehr” and built it with the Roosh-un philosophy, even the smallest part over built, designed to be used by illiterate peasants, easy to disassemble, clean, reassemble (just compare the Selectors, AK can be operated with hands in gloves, on the right side, AR is tiny, on the left (I know you can get ambidextrous ones) and the ARs got a plethora of pins and springs that get lost at the worst possible time
Plus the AK just looks cooler
Frank
Bah, if a character performed here is going to be written to chime in here about imaginary making of a gun the writer should go all out and write the character as making a ray-gun. I give this writing a D (for Desperate weirdo).
Authoritatively, the difference between fiction and real life is that fiction has to be plausible.
So Frank is free in real life to build a ray gun, but as a fictional persona, must limit himself to building AR kits.
Malika, I too have built both Kalashnikovs and ARs. Frank’s account is close enough to the truth.
So what point were you trying to make, other than to dismiss a commenter as a desperate weirdo?
Frank, or at least his online persona, is a weirdo. I’ve seen no evidence of desperation, though.
A person who makes up an incoherent persona on a comment board is weird and desperate. Of course make up a handle, but a persona?
I’d settle for weird. Its the sort of thing somebody might do just because they think it’s amusing.
Low bar but he comes across as much more rational than Sqrlsy
Let’s make a deal with Mexico. They keep their people on their side of the border and the USA will keep it”s guns on it’s side. Sound fair?
Seems to me the libertarian solution would be for both to cross more freely.
“the” libertarian solution would include Mexico allowing its citizens to be at least as well-armed as its police and army.
Well, they allow the cartels to be that well armed, it’s a start.
That’s why I said both.
There isn’t one “libertarian” solution and quite a few libertarians acknowledge citizens are not going to have the same weapons as the army. If the army have missile systems, the people need not have them. Anyway, under our Constitution, states are not allowed to have “troops” or “ships of war” without congressional permission in times of peace. The local “militia” is not going to have the same things as the army and navy.
The fact that something is “widely legal” and currently purchased does not necessarily mean has to be legal.
At the very least, I don’t think each liberal justice thinks the language in the opinion requires a finding that those guns are constitutionally protected. It is a statement of the current situation.
The law blocks certain types of litigation. To quote the purpose section, if states pass laws prohibiting some of these guns, it would leave open ” a citizen’s access to a supply of firearms and ammunition” in a broad fashion.
I would note that congressional statements are a valid data point for determining whether there is a fundamental federal right to keep and bear arms. Along with state constitutional provisions, historical practice, constitutional texts and purpose, and so forth.
“The fact that something is “widely legal” and currently purchased does not necessarily mean has to be legal.”
Not if you’re talking about some random object that doesn’t implicate a constitutional right, no. In the case of something like a printing press or a gun? It does, because you have a constitutional rule demanding legality, and need to establish that an exception exists. The very fact that it’s already legal and widely owned makes establishing the exception impossible.
That was the approach in Bruen, and it’s consistent with the way the 1st amendment is approached, too: You’ve got a fairly absolute constitutional rule that facially prohibits ALL legislation, and to do any legislating must establish it’s within an exception you can demonstrate by reference to historical practice at the time the amendment was adopted.
So, the 1st amendment facially prohibits libel law, but nobody at the time seemed to think libel laws violated it, so they get an exception.
The theory behind the lawsuit was just lousy to begin with. According to Mexico’s position, it would seem that Budweiser is guilty of aiding and abetting drunk driving and underage drinking on the theory that they know—not just suspect but absolutely know–that some of their beers will end up in the possession of drunk drivers and underage kids respectively.
The position, if adopted generally, would make manufacturers strictly liable for every criminal misuse of their product–from knives, to chain saws, bolt cutters, and key copying machines. You couldn’t sell anything without being sued because you know for a fact that someone will misuse your product.
I think they should have won outside of the PLCA.
Yes, their position would imply that gas stations are guilty of arson because they know a few people will buy gas as an accelerant, the garden center guilty of poisoning due to knowing some fraction of their customers might spike somebody’s food with rat poison.
“I think they should have won outside of the PLCA.”
You mean S&W, I assume. Yes, the lawsuits that originally drove the enactment of the PLCAA were not expected to win. They were known up front to be frivolous. The goal, explicitly, was to bankrupt the industry with litigation costs even if they won every individual lawsuit, and so force them to submit to the gun control movement’s demands.
So the PLCAA prohibits such lawsuits from being entertained by the courts in the first place, in order to prevent the imposition of litigation costs.
That’s why I’m somewhat upset that this case even made it to the Supreme court: They were permitted to impose those litigation costs anyway, even though the district court correctly refused to take the case.