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David French Is Right: Judges Do Seek The "Respect" Of Their Peers
And that is the problem.
President Trump continues to shift paradigms and cause people to reconsider long-held beliefs. His latest Truth Social post has launched a thousands takes. I've already focused on Ed Whelan and the Wall Street Journal. Here, I will write about David French's column in the New York Times.
David purports to explain why many Republican-appointed judges have ruled against Trump. David is not simply writing based on what he reads in judicial opinions. Rather, he suggests that he has some inside information--or at least personal insights. French writes:
I come from the conservative legal movement, I have friends throughout the conservative legal movement (including many Trump-appointed judges), and I think I know the answer, or at least part of it.
David is speaking, or least he purports to speak, for judges that Trump appointed during his first term.
I've written that Whelan and the Wall Street Journal got the situation 100% backwards. French, to his credit, accurately perceives the symptoms, but makes the wrong diagnosis.
French explains that judges are more interested in the respect of their peers than the applause of the crowd:
The immense pressure that Trump puts on his perceived rivals and opponents exposes our core motivations, and the core motivations of federal judges are very different from the core motivations of members of Congress. Think of it as the difference between seeking the judgment of history over the judgment of the electorate, and to the extent that you seek approval, you place a higher priority on the respect of your peers than the applause of the crowd.
What David writes here is absolutely correct. But I don't think he sees the problem. Who are the "peers" that judges seek the approval of? Legal elites. The New York Times. The Wall Street Journal Editorial Page. The faculty at top law schools. Conservatives who are allowed in polite company. Look at the fawning treatment that Judges Wilkinson and Boasberg have received in recent months. By contrast, look at the crucible the press placed Judges Cannon and Judge Kacsmaryk under. If you rule the right way, you win awards and receive standing ovations from bar associations. If you rule the wrong way, you receive death threats. (The media has not seen fit cover the two cases in which defendants have pleaded guilty to threatening Judge Kacsmaryk--not just sending pizzas.)
There is an entire ecosystem established on the left and center-right to keep conservative judges in line. David is a focal point of that ecosystem. Indeed, this column, whether by design or intent, reinforces the theme that he and others are the gatekeepers of valid arguments.
Judges of all stripes seek the approval of one group over the other. David is simply telling us that seeking his approval is just fine, but don't even think about seeking other types of approval.
Judge Ho has written that most judges fear getting booed. He's right. And many judges really fear getting booed by people like Ed Whelan, David French, and the Wall Street Journal. What makes Trump nominees like Bove different is that they don't care. They reject these pillars of the conservative establishment. And in turn, the pillars can only charge people like Bove with being partisan hacks.
When I write about judicial courage, I am not simply speaking about standing up to pillories from the left. It also entails resisting pillories from the right. And this is the sort of fracture that we see happening before our eyes.
Those who once had influence see that influence slipping away. And the locus of influence is moving.
French writes:
If your decisions are the measure of your worth, then seeking the applause of the crowd can lead you down a dangerous path.
I agree, but I think seeking the applause from French and others is leading the Supreme Court down a very dangerous path. There is a storm brewing on the horizon.
Judges should stop seeking applause, full stop. Decide the case based on the law, and put all political considerations aside. We will all be much better for it. Judges have to follow the Constitution, just like the President.
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“The New York Times. The Wall Street Journal Editorial Page.”
He’s clearly talking about other jurists, ya goof.
Josh’s writings about courage are one of the better examples of “every accusation is a confession.” True courage is not avoiding expressing any opinion or stance that contradicts the ideological bubble and network you’re in, quite the opposite actually. He thinks hacks are courageous.
It is self evident. All judge decisions are expressions of feelings, biases, hanger, cultural assumptions, bad moods or good moods that day, whether the judge got yelled at by the wife that day, personal self interest, the interest of the lawyer profession, Deep State rent seeking in the $trillions a year. Each is then justified with ridiculous lawyer gibberish. Ask a judge to justify the opposite decision. It is not a problem. The decisions have zero reliability statistics and zero external validity. Their sole validation is a few men with guns.
Science is a synonym for simple repeatability. In Mass v EPA, the Supreme Court stated that scientific validity has no relevance to judicial decisions.
The lawyer profession imposes supernatural doctrines copied from the Catholic catechism for its own enrichment, empowerment, and supremacy over our suffering population. All national achievements have been despite the lawyer profession. It is 10 times more toxic to our people than organized crime. That provides some illegal pleasures. The lawyer profession just takes our $trillion and returns zero of any value whatsoever.
Its two biggest failures are in enabling wars with the killing of millions of working people and the destruction of $trillions in infrastructure, while absolutely immunizing the civilian warmongers and profiteers. Its second biggest failure is in allowing 2 billion crimes a year. With 100000 unresolved missing persons reports a year, the murder rate may not be 20000 a year. The lawyer profession prosecutes 2 million criminals, with a false positive error rate of at least 20%. That rate may be far higher if one counts innocent defendants forced to accept a plea offer.
“every accusation is a confession.”
You've beat this line to death.
...because the new, confirming proofs, never end.
Alito appears to be a fan of the Wall Street Journal. He gave them special access to his views. He seems to respect them.
It can't be because he is just seeking his approval. We were just told that he is special, like Thomas, for his courage.
Bove is a Trump hack. He is not some "courageous" sort who simply independently follows principled views we should find honorable. The fact that Ed Whelan and other conservatives find him troubling should be a red flag to fellow conservatives.
At least the principled ones.
All this strange new respect for Ed Whelan!
I don’t think it’s respect as much as it is: even this guy has concerns.
Careful now, if you keep suggesting that the President has to obey the Constitution instead of the other way around, you'll never get a proper government job.
Trite.
But true.
Judges should stop seeking applause, full stop. Decide the case based on the law, and put all political considerations aside. We will all be much better for it. Judges have to follow the Constitution, just like the President.
Judges aren't demigods.
They can take careful notice of criticism and decide if it has any merit. They will have certain people they respect more than others.
Some who aim for elevation will play the game.
https://prawfsblawg.blogs.com/prawfsblawg/2025/05/judge-hos-supreme-court-nomination-campaign-continues.html
Each person who swears or affirms an oath to the Constitution, federal or state officials, should follow the Constitution. They can get help from various sources.
Some will seek "applause," it being a human trait. The idea that Thomas and/or Alito isn't part of that is a bit silly. They like support from their favored people, with or without certain perks.
As to "political considerations," that also is going to be part of the situation. Courts are part of an overall political system. They cannot and will not completely ignore that aspect of things.
“Respect isn’t important”
—Guy who people don’t respect.
I respect his willingness to be loathed. For a conservative SCOTUS candidate there is no more important quality.
Well that makes sense, conservatism is an anti-social ideology that people find repulsive.
People in DC and other denizens of the swamp, certainly. If your job requires you to work in the swamp, you can't be too sensitive about the smell, nor the opinions of the reptiles who dwell there.
You’re talking about the humans in your community. Like I said, it’s an anti-social ideology.
That's not my experience with most conservatives, but it may be valid for MAGA. It may be part of the allure of the group, that its members can blame their unpopularity on politics instead of on the mundanity that their personalities just aren't very likeable.
Yes, intelligence, integrity, even ideology… not important to MAGA.
Intelligence is hugely overrated in a judge. You’re marking exam papers not writing them. You need adequate intelligence but you certainly don’t need to be the smartest guy in the room. And it’s better if you don’t think you are. The temptations to megalomania are quite enough already.
As for integrity, willingness to be loathed is the measure. Scared the crowd will jeer so you trim ? That’s the very definition of loss of integrity.
What the fuck are you talking about.
These aren’t exams. They aren’t like exams. There is no answer key.
And you didn’t disagree with DMN’s other factors being less important than being okay being hated,
What kind of way do you go through life???
The last few comments of yours I've seen seem somewhat bilious. Relax and take an indigestion pill.
It's an analogy. And hardly a tricky one. He who does the test has to do all the thinking and all the work. That's the hard bit. The examiner simply has to mark the test. A judge has an even easier job - he doesn't have to grade the attorneys against some absolute standard. He just has to pick which one made the most compelling argument and picked the best holes in the other guy's arguments. You're a judge not a competitior.You need to be moderately intelligent to do that. But you don't need to be brighter than the attorneys.
And you didn’t disagree with DMN’s other factors being less important than being okay being hated,
As I explained, oh bilious one, I think integrity (or strictly honesty) is very important and the proper measure of it in this context is willingness to incur unpopularity - ie what Josh describes as "seeking the respect of your peers" is a sign of lack of integrity. If you do your job honestly, and your peers are worth anything, you won't need to seek respect. It'll just arrive.
Intelligence is less important, As I explained. Again.
Can't be bothered to prose on about ideology. Political ideology is obviously irrelevant (so long as you have the integrity to ignore it) and we have discussed judicial ideology before. Some judicial ideologies are consistent with integrity. Some are not.
It's Sour Grapes squared. (Remember a few months ago, paraphased: "I wouldn't accept a promotion to a more reputable law school if it were offered to me"?)
Wait, Josh Blackman isn’t a brilliant and principled legal scholar? I’m gobsmacked.
Some will seek "applause," it being a human trait. The idea that Thomas and/or Alito isn't part of that is a bit silly.
Dunno about Alito, but I suspect Thomas is free from all this desire-to-be-loved crap, because he acquired lifelong immunity during his confirmation hearings.
Why Kavanaugh did not acquire similar immunity, I can't say. But plainly he's still hoping that someone, sometime, somewhere, might love him. But they won't.
He could also just have a conscience.
Also, the confirmation hearing didn't stop Thomas from wanting to be part of a conservative community where he is respected (and loved).
The hearings, if anything, might have made that stronger, providing a solace from his "enemies" who attacked him. If we want to psychoanalyze the situation.
It’s hard for those who lack such a thing to comprehend it in others, so of course MAGAns never think it might be the cause of something.
Josh never stops proving, in this piece more than others, that at his core, he's a silly, silly man who never got over his high school fixation—longing for the cool kids to like him.
In today's silly example, he muddles the difference between Like and Respect while aiming his sour-grapes-whining at the new group of those mean cool kids: "The New York Times. The Wall Street Journal Editorial Page. The faculty at top law schools. Conservatives who are allowed in polite company" (a tell of his disdain for the thoughtful civility of conservatives like David French). And, especially, actually respected conservative jurists like "Judges Wilkinson and Boasberg."
There is not "a storm brewing on the horizon" (a fixation he seems to share with Dr. Ed 2...think about that). His silly, petty high school jealousies deserve no more attention that a passing squall.
Josh, while you may eventually get some of the cool kids to regard your tantrums with a certain amused Josh-just-being-Josh affection, they will never ever admire you for courage and principles you lack.
In other words, they may Like you, but never Respect you.
Yet another invocation of "the storm" along with thinly-veiled threats against judges.
How long is Volokh going to continue to think it helps their credibility by associating with a TTT professor who alternates between conspiracy theories and echoes of Qanon?
And aren't people embarrassed to be associated with an illiterate who doesn't know what a "pillory" is?
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pillory
I think his usage is technically defensible. But not something I would opt for because “attack” is much clearer and evocative.
I disagree, You don’t “stand up” to a pillory, even a metaphorical one.
I’m with y81. It is at best highly unidiomatic.
There IS a storm coming -- judges weren't this controversial Pre-Bork.
What we have now is accepted Federal judicial thought being determined in Cambridge & New Haven and published in NYC -- three cities along the Acella Corridor -- actually only half of it.
SCOTUS hasn't been this out of touch with America since Roger Taney. Change *will* come, one way or another...
“judges weren't this controversial Pre-Bork.”
Impeach Earl Warren!
https://digitalcollections.uark.edu/digital/collection/Civilrights/id/568/
Fundamentalist believer Ed accurately recites an article of faith in the hard-right sacrament: "The Borking" of 1987 was the originating event of the escalating tit-for-tat confirmation wars (and resulting incremental narrowing of the filibuster) of the decades since.
And in that, he's almost right. The initial trigger, however, was not when Robert Bork was voted down, but shortly before that when Ronald Reagan nominated him to the Supreme Court. There were opposing camps in the White House arguing both for and against Bork, and the most cynical of his White House advisors won, successfully arguing that the brilliantly extreme Bork’s defeat in the Democratic Senate would go far in motivating an increasingly extremist—and increasingly Southern—base.
Reagan was said to agree because he thought his advisors wrong and Bork would win a Senate vote. He was surprised by the intensity of the opposition led by Ted Kennedy, and in a Democratic Senate, Bork still received full hearings, and an up-or-down floor vote. His 58-42 defeat was bipartisan: two D's & 40 R's for, 52 D's & six R's against.
It marked the first time a President knowingly nominated someone so out-of-his-own-Party's-mainstream radically revanchist, that he was the one traditionally superbly-qualified member of his party with little realistic chance of confirmation (it might have been a closer thing had it not been for Bork’s Saturday Night Massacre role—no matter his post facto rationale, that was the clincher).
I've written that Whelan and the Wall Street Journal got the situation 100% backwards.followed by "French is wrong'
So we have 3 different expert views.
Proverbs 18:17
In a lawsuit the first to speak seems right, until someone comes forward and cross-examines.
Why such bad decisions from Kagan Sotomayor Jackson Gorsuch.
It is from being unprincipled.
SOTOMAYOR for sure
"January 8, 2022
CLAIM: More than 100,000 children are in “serious condition” with COVID-19 in the U.S.
AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. Federal data shows that around 5,000 minors"
JACKSON
Blackburn: “Can you provide a definition for the word ‘woman’?”
Jackson: “Can I provide a definition?”
Blackburn: “Mhmm, yeah.”
Jackson: “No, I can’t.”
Blackburn: “You can’t?”
Jackson: “Not in this context--I’m not a biologist.”
KAGAN
THis is so stupid you have to read it
https://crisismagazine.com/opinion/breathtakingly-stupid-argument-from-elena-kagan
GORSUCH
As a Catholic, student of the Founding Fathers, and student of John Finnis he should never ---were he principled-- have decided Bostock as he did
Oxford scholar who was mentor to Neil Gorsuch compared gay sex to bestiality
The Catholic legal professor John Finnis, who taught the supreme court nominee at Oxford, has inveighed against abortion and ‘the evil of homosexual conduct’
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''the chief mark and element of insanity ... is reason used without root, reason in the void. The man who begins to think without the proper first principles goes mad .... "
Neither Sotomayer nor BrownJackson would have been confirmed were they conservatives. Neither is very bright, and it shows...
Dr. Ed, one of the dumbest and most dishonest human beings alive, who still can't accept that he's a complete failure in life because of his lack of integrity and intelligence, and instead blames women for sleeping their way past him, tries to judge actually accomplished people.
“Catholics United”?
Also, "Hilary: The Movie."
I guess the second "L" is for "Loser!"
I don't understand how judicial courage means "not worrying about being criticized", but you frequently criticize judges who seem totally unbothered by being criticized by you, and you don't describe any of them as courageous for persisting in, I guess, their wrongness? By contrast, the ones you do describe as courageous seem mostly to be people who rule the way you want them to. You don't seem to grapple with the fact that the same actions that result in social sanction and opprobrium also result in praise and social credit, even when you yourself are heaping out praise and social credit.
You describe other people as elites as a way to point out that they don't matter, but you hobnob with the same elites, relish positive press, and frequently point out past cases where you feel you were right in your position or prognostication. But this is the same kind of reputation-chasing you warn people against.
As best as I can tell, the thing you think is most courageous about Judge Cannon is that she agreed with your amicus brief on the Special Counsel / officer question. I agree with you that it must be tremendously validating to hear people in formal positions of power agree with your ideas, and if I were you I would be celebrating that. But precisely how other people who disagree with with you feel as well when their stuff gets approved of or cited.
I think I'd like to see you express daylight betwen how you think peoples social responsiveness to criticism and praise is intellectually different when it's your criticism (praise) than when its the criticism (praise) of others.
Alternatively, you could just give up the judicial courage idea and instead say something I think is far less convoluted: You want judges that rule in the way you feel is correct, and you don't want judges that rule in the way you feel is incorrect, and you want the people who you think are wrong to lose, because they are wrong and losers. That's fine. It's a little Manichean, certainly. It makes questions that feel like they should be principled or legal into political popularity contests. But everyone understands that anyway. So celebrate your wins and mourn your losses.
"Decide the case based on the law."
Is that the law as enunciated by Profs. Volokh, Somin, and Post, or the law enunciated by Blackman and Pam Bondi? I guess we could examine the credentials of the respective parties.
Still curious how Josh is attempting to resolve his conflicting feelings between his beloved FedSoc/St. Leo, and Trump's new description of them as sleazebags who probably hate America.
So, who does he consider the more courageous...Donald Trump, or Leonard Leo & the FedSoc judges?
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/05/29/trump-goes-after-leonard-leo-and-the-federalist-society-in-fury-over-court-ruling-00375813
“The media has not seen fit cover the two cases in which defendants have pleaded guilty to threatening Judge Kacsmaryk--not just sending pizzas.”
The pizzas were sent to judges with the name of Daniel Anderl, the son of Judge Esther Salas. He was killed by a Trump supporter in an attack on her home. The killer was found with a hit list that included Justice Sotomayor. Curiously, Josh has never once mentioned this incident among all his hyper-ventilating about threats to right-wing judges.
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/pizza-doxxings-federal-judges/
Leaving aside the specific story complained of, it is a MAGA/crank field mark to complain about media non-coverage of stupid stories. Note to MAGA/cranks: nobody in media owes coverage to delusive-looking assertions with unreliable provenances.
It may be a fact that something stupid got traction online, but that does nothing to make it newsworthy in itself. Not covering crap is a field mark of quality journalism.
Judges crave respect from their peers, including (per Prof. Blackman) the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal Editorial Page?
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTRKCXC0JFg
One thing Josh Blackman will never have to concern himself with is the respect of his peers.
To the contrary, I'd bet the Qanon Shaman respects Josh quite a bit.
It is peculiar that Blackman supposes typical human group dynamics went unconsidered, while the centuries-old institution of multi-judge panels was initiated, tested, and perpetuated. Of course the founders expected normal personal interactions—including persuasive influence—would play out on multi-judge panels, including the Supreme Court. The founders wanted it that way.
Being wise themselves (or at least wiser than Blackman, to a man), the founders had experience enough to understand that to encourage that kind of thing was a path to judicial wisdom. And a notably better path than an alternative practice to leave a cranky judge uninfluenced.
At the risk of being accused of sarcasm, I posit a continuum of wisdom, placing at one end Josh Blackman, and at the other end Benjamin Franklin. Who among the founders would have been baffled to distinguish which end was which? Yet, who would have supposed Blackman was anything but Franklin's absolute superior, in terms of immunity from social influence.
Franklin made himself into a world-leading figure of the Enlightenment, by cultivating on purpose his own ability to seek out and receive social influence from the best minds of his era, wherever found—throughout North America, England, and Continental Europe. Had the Enlightenment been left alone in South Texas, to fight it out with Josh Blackman, the Enlightenment would have lost.
The more I hear about Bove, the more I like. And the crowd of TDS deranged trolls seem particularly unhappy, which alone would make me applaud the nomination. If they were happy with the choice, then I’d be worried.
Didn't French once opine in the NYT about how he wishes we had a dictatorship like China so the government could solve big problems?
Problems they can't solve, apparently, with $6T a year in spending, but can solve only of they we lived under tyranny.
Some conservative thought leader...
No.
That was Thomas Friedman. But I can understand the mistake. Thomas Friedman is a Jewish NYT columnist. David Brooks is a also a NYT columnist, and he used to be Jewish. And David French is a NYT columnist who is also named David. So they're all basically the same person.
They are all Trump-haters. They all sometimes pretend to be conservatives. It gets confusing.
...to the eternally, perpetually confused.
Professor Blackman is looking hard for a bunch of Ernst Jannings to do Trump's bidding. That's his "judicial courage."
What a bizarre claim.
https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/california-woman-pleads-guilty-threatening-judge-abortion-pill-case-2025-05-19/
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/woman-arrested-threatening-kill-texas-federal-judge-abortion-pill-case-2023-11-08/
Part of the problem might be that the media is defining the law and the law schools are the moderators of the politics. Anything that a television commentator can't explain very well in ten seconds is called obscurantism or legalese, and anything that offends the political sensibility of the schools is called socially extreme.
Comparing the YT feeds for the American law schools' named lectures and the talks at the four Inns in the UK is very revealing. Seeking the approval of legal elites works better when the legal elites are genuinely interested in the law itself. If you see it as a pragmatic expression of politics, currying favor with the legal elites becomes simply politics by other means.
Mr. D.
Ah, the man in the mirror again. The man in the mirror’s desperate craving for and seeking of respect.
No, judges do not care what Ed Whelan and David French think. I hope not, anyway.
Ha Ha Ha!