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Court Unsurprisingly Rejects 25th Amendment Claim
From Derewal v. Vance, decided today by Judge Jia Cobb (D.D.C.):
Turning to the complaint itself, Derewal alleges that the "25th Amendment must be invoked due to this constitutional crisis of our lifetime from senior's SSA improperly withheld to our eco-damage and not honoring the role of POTUS," and that "J.D. Vance, in his official-capacity, must call for 25th Amendment vote of Cabinet and enforcement." She requests that this Court enjoin the constitutional crisis "by calling for 25th Amendment vote and enforcement," and provide "any additional relief that th[e] Court deems just and proper." …
[T]o the extent that Derewal's sought-after relief is an injunction removing the President from office under the Twenty-Fifth Amendment, the Court has no power to issue such an order. See Ballard v. Ohio Elections (S.D. Ohio 2025) (dismissing pro se complaint requesting that the court "invoke the Twenty-Fifth Amendment of the United States Constitution to forcibly remove the current President from office" because "neither the Twenty-Fifth Amendment nor any federal statute gives the Court such a broad power"). The Twenty-Fifth Amendment vests the Vice President and "a majority of … the principal officers of the executive departments"—not this Court—with the discretion to initiate any attempt to remove a sitting President….
[Furthermore,] {"[t]o establish standing, a plaintiff must show (i) that he suffered an injury in fact that is concrete, particularized, and actual or imminent; (ii) that the injury was likely caused by the defendant; and (iii) that the injury would likely be redressed by judicial relief." Derewal's complaint contains no factual allegations explaining how she has been concretely injured by Defendants' actions. Derewal states that "senior's SSA [has been] improperly withheld" and that there has been "eco-damage," but does not allege that she has herself been affected by either of these actions. Absent any allegations to suggest Derewal has some "particularized stake in the litigation," this suit presents "precisely the kind of undifferentiated, generalized grievance about the conduct of government" that courts may not hear.}
The court also denies plaintiff's renewed motion to proceed pseudonymously.
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I would like an injunction against the plaintiff forbidding her from writing sentences like that. I'm feeling a concrete injury to the part of my brain that parses grammar.
involuntary chuckle
Does Volokh support declaring any lawyer filing two losing tort claims as a vexatious litigant, requiring court permission to file a third, after review by court hired experts at the expense of the lawyer? If that third claim is denied, the lawyer license should be suspended for 3 years, with a requirement to undergo 100 hours of CLE in tort litigation.
The overwhelming majority of lawyer filed cases are as nutty and as irresponsible as this claim. Volokh is in denial about the lawyer profession since he has been subjected to nutty and meritless claims. Someone breaks a hip slipping on oil on the supermarket floor. The video will show 100 people walking around it. It will show a person slipping and falling, getting up and moving along. That slip and fall claim is the fault of the plaintiff and her lawyer defrauding the system to make it pay for stupidity, carelessness of the plaintiff, and for a pre-existing frailty of the plaintiff.
It is sad that there is precedent so precisely on point. But so it goes - we must allow the mentally ill access to the courts, even though it results in some waste. It might improve somewhat if we were a little more generous when it came to their care and treatment, but it will always be a thing.
(I recognize that Professor Volokh is cataloguing this for the pseudonymity motion.)
In my first legal job, the head of the firm was related to a famous real estate developer who later went into politics. We used to handle a lot of his cases. In one case, a woman asserted that he had impressed her into white slavery, and violated her rights under the 13th Amendment. After the case was withdrawn, the associates joked they would put on their resumes "Expert in 13th Amendment Litigation."
You can just say Trump, you know.
“The judiciary says what the law is. So if a court decides that it can order the vice-President to invoke the 25th Amendment, then that’s what the Constitution allows. If that decision is upheld by the appellate courts, including the Supreme Court, Congress has no right to impeach and remove the judges so holding. There is, in short, no accountability for seemingly outlandish decisions of the courts. They are all knowing, all powerful, and infallible.”
—John Roberts (probably)
Unsurprising to who?
If a court orders Vance to invoke the 25th amendment, and the order doesn’t get stayed, should he comply?
Absolutely. Haven’t you heard? Court orders must always be obeyed, no matter how outlandish. And there can never be any consequences for the judges.
including where the appellate courts have ruled the district never had jurisdiction
Why did I assume that this was a pro se filing before clicking on the link?
This is just nut-picking
There are nuts on both sides. I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to determine which side actually puts their nuts in charge instead of trying to minimize them.
Well, one side's nuts can't tell what a woman is without a biologist...and supports taxpayer funded sex changes for incarcerated illegal aliens.
I was going to make fun of you for your first sentence. But then you went MAGA in the second and I just didn't have the heart
Or the ammunition.
ah....Clem 11 hours ago-"I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to determine which side actually puts their nuts in charge instead of trying to minimize them."
Which side loved the autopen so much that they didnt invoke the 25th?
The GOP.
Actually I surprised the district court didn't order the Vice President to invoke the 25th amendment. Just one more injunction.
You were "surprised", as in, you're making a 'mocking' joke, or you're telling everyone you're not an attorney?
The District Court could easily have found the Plaintiff's complaint to present a nonjusticiable political question. "Prominent on the surface of any case held to involve a political question is found a textually demonstrable constitutional commitment of the issue to a coordinate political department[.]" Baker v. Carr, 369 U.S. 186, 217 (1962).
As an unrelated aside, whenever I think of Baker v. Carr, I recall that the Nashville lawyer who won that case, Z. Thomas Osborn, came to a tragic end. Mr. Osborn represented Jimmy Hoffa in a federal criminal trial in the Middle District of Tennessee. He was thereafter convicted of endeavoring to bribe a juror in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1503. The Supreme Court upheld the conviction. Osborn v. United States, 385 U.S. 323 (1966). Before going into custody, Mr. Osborn shot himself to death.
Why was this not sanctioned as frivolous? Anybody who passed a HS civics class would know better.
Why indeed. Is this Derewal plaintiff even a real person?
According to the order, she had asked to proceed under a pseudonym, and it was rejected, so I'm going to assume it's her real name. I mean, real people are perfectly capable of being nutcases.
Of course, but if real she has been very successful at living off the grid. I suspect your assumption is both charitable and unwarranted.