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Fifth Circuit Assigns A.A.R.P. v. Trump To New Panel For Reargument, Judge Ho Concurs
"I worry that the disrespect they have been shown will not inspire continued respect for the judiciary, without which we cannot long function."
On Friday afternoon, the Supreme Court remanded A.A.R.P. v. Trump to the Fifth Circuit with very precise instructions. Today, the Fifth Circuit assigned the case to the next available oral argument panel:
Last Friday, the Supreme Court vacated the judgment of our court, which had dismissed this appeal for lack of jurisdiction. The Court remanded the case back to us for further proceedings, and directed us to proceed "expeditiously." A.A.R.P. v. Trump, 605 U.S. _, _ (2025). Accordingly, this matter is expedited to the next available randomly designated regular oral argument panel.
Judge Ho wrote an seven-page concurrence. He defended his colleague, Judge Wes Hendrix, against an unfair attack from the Supreme Court:
As an inferior court, we're duty-bound to follow Supreme Court rulings—whether we agree with them or not. We don't have to like it. But we have to do it. So I concur in our order today expediting our consideration of this matter, as directed by the Supreme Court. But I write to state my sincere concerns about how the district judge as well as the President and other officials have been treated in this case. I worry that the disrespect they have been shown will not inspire continued respect for the judiciary, without which we cannot long function. See, e.g., In re Westcott, 135 F.4th 243, 250–51 (5th Cir. 2025) (Ho, J., concurring).
Ho responds to Chief Justice Roberts, who boasts that the role of the Supreme Court is to check the other branches:
It is not the role of the judiciary to check the excesses of the other branches, any more than it's our role to check the excesses of any other American citizen. Judges do not roam the countryside looking for opportunities to chastise government officials for their mistakes. Rather, our job is simply to decide those legal disputes over which Congress has given us jurisdiction.
Ho contrasts how Justice Barrett denied shadow docket relief for a religious liberty case, even as she granted shadow docket relief for alleged gang members:
Recall the emergency relief sought in Does 1-3 v. Mills, 142 S. Ct. 17 (2021). Members of the Court expressed concern about the "use [of] the emergency docket to force the Court" to "grant . . . extraordinary relief" "on a short fuse without benefit of full briefing." Id. at 18 (Barrett, J., concurring in the denial of application for injunctive relief). The amount of time considered too short in Does 1-3 was nine days. Compared to 42 minutes, however, nine days is a lifetime to decide a motion. So the district court reasonably assumed that the principle invoked in Does 1-3 to justify denying relief to law-abiding citizens concerned about their religious liberties in the COVID-19 era would likewise justify denying relief to illegal alien members of a foreign terrorist organization.
I'm glad the Court has their priorities straight.
Ho explains why it was entirely unreasonable to start the clock at 12:34 a.m.
But starting the clock at 12:34 a.m. not only ignores the court's express instructions respecting the Government's right to respond. It also ignores the fact that the Court is starting the clock at—12:34 a.m. We seem to have forgotten that this is a district court—not a Denny's. This is the first time I've ever heard anyone suggest that district judges have a duty to check their dockets at all hours of the night, just in case a party decides to file a motion. If this is going to become the norm, then we should say so: District judges are hereby expected to be available 24 hours a day—and the Judicial Conference of the United States and the Administrative Office of the U.S. Courts should secure from Congress the resources and staffing necessary to ensure 24-hour operations in every district court across the country. If this is not to become the norm, then we should admit that this is special treatment being afforded to certain favored litigants like members of Tren de Aragua—and we should stop pretending that Lady Justice is blindfolded.
Ho makes the point that other Presidents, who have clashed with the judiciary, received all the trappings of the presumption of regularity.
One former President tried to shame members of the Supreme Court during a State of the Union address by disparaging a recent ruling. See Barack Obama, Address Before a Joint Session of the Congress on the State of the Union, 1 Pub. Papers of the Presidents (Obama 2010) 75, 81 (Jan. 27, 2010). That same President also suggested that it would be illegitimate for the Supreme Court to declare an act of Congress unconstitutional—while a case challenging his signature legislative achievement was pending before the Court. See, e.g., Peter Wallsten and Robert Barnes, Obama's Supreme Court comments stir debate, Wash. Post, Apr. 4, 2012. Another former President was disbarred from practicing law before the Supreme Court. See In re Clinton, 534 U.S. 1016 (2001). See also Editorial, Biden's Student Loan Boast: The Supreme Court 'Didn't Stop Me', Wall St. J., Feb. 23, 2024 ("American Presidents may not like Supreme Court decisions, but most since Andrew Jackson haven't bragged about defying its rulings."). Yet I doubt that any court would deny any of those Presidents the right to express their views in any pending case to which they are a party, before issuing any ruling. Our current President deserves the same respect.
But this president does not get the presumption of regularity from Chief Justice Roberts and his colleagues. I've been thinking about this topic of late. Why is the President afforded the "presumption of regularity"? It's not because of the positions he takes or how his lawyers genuflect before the judiciary. It is because he was certified as the President. And he maintains that presumption until he is no longer in office. When judges can decide the President no longer receives that presumption, we have seen a judicial coup.
Earlier today, I spoke to the Austin Federalist Society Lawyer's Chapter about President Trump's first 100 days. I discuss at some length the proceedings in A.A.R.P.
Much more in due course, stay tuned.
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Lots of people here claim that Josh is aiming a a judgeship. He is, of course, but I think his real fantasy is to be judge in East Germany. Just substitute "The Party" for "Trump" in each of his posts and it works out more or less perfectly. Being a mid-level party hack is not everyone's dream, of course, but it is pretty clearly Josh's
What an insightful analysis of the OP.
That's the Josh basher modus operandi. They never address what he said, unless it's to poke fun at typoes.
Some commenters do actually address what he says, and they usually disagree. But at least they address what he says instead of reacting out of envy.
Envy! That's hard to imagine. What's to envy?
And Ho a Supreme Courtship.
I looked him up on Wiki. He looks dangerously chubby to be a good SCOTUS candidate. That’s what coronaries are made of. (And you could lose a few pounds too Clarence. And two of the girls though it would be rude to say which two. Kavanaugh’s on the way too. Stay off the pie if y’all wish to carry on ruling us.)
But the big Ho thing is his wife who Wiki describes as Allyson Paix Newton Ho (nee Newton, formerly Heidelbaugh)
What does formerly Heidelbaugh refer to ? Is it a previous husband - is referencing exes in the name a thing now ? But if not how can you get a surname prior to birth, which is different to your actual birth name ?
Wattup ?
"If this is not to become the norm, then we should admit that this is special treatment being afforded to certain favored litigants like members of Tren de Aragua"
How does Ho know the litigants are members of TdA?
"How dare anyone impugn a poor district judge??? Meanwhile, I, Judge Ho will assume the very conclusion that the plaintiffs are litigating and determine based on nothing but my own opinon that the plaintiffs are all terrorists."
Because, you stupid piece of sh!t, they've had WEEKS to file a habeas petition to establish that they are NOT members of TdA, and not ONE of them has made even the slightest effort to do so
Not only did they not have weeks, but they of course were not given any notice of their rights to do so or how to assert those rights, nor were they permitted to speak with lawyers unless they already had lawyers.
As they are as American as Uncle Sam and have jobs and families, they could call and retain and attorney to explain these things to them.
Stupid, trolling, or stupid trolling?
Do you know what the words 'putative class' mean? Didn't the US Sup Ct stop all AEA deportations to the named plaintiffs and the putative class [of all detainees being held in the same fed district pursuant to the AEA?] Why would they have needed to file?
The dudgeon of Judge Ho is higher than the highest airplane that the Trump administration says no court can prevent them from throwing immigrants out of once it's gone wheels up.
At no point will Blackman note that Alito misquoted one of his sources in his dissent, the type of behavior that could easily get a lawyer sanctioned. If we want to talk about bad judicial behavior, perhaps we should try for even handedness. (Below a post by Lee Kovarsky pointing out Alito's really egregious behavior):
https://bsky.app/profile/kovarsky.bsky.social/post/3lpdozxzzjk26
Hey now! Please don't impugn Justice Alito. He did not misquote anything; he just left out the very next sentence of the quoted source which completely defeated the point he was trying to make. Please be fair!!
"Didn't quote aspirational statement from law review article author about how a recent SCOTUS case might be applied in the future, but instead had an entire section in the dissent about that case and how it actually had been applied in the 55 years since."
Yeah, that's a real banger.
Ho campaigning for a Supreme Court appointment, and Blackman campaigning for his 5th Circuit slot. What a bunch of petulant, disingenuous nonsense, one that utterly ignores the actual facts that they were dealing with.
Even being as charitable as I can towards the whining — "Oh, we shouldn't have to work late in an emergency; if the president wants to ship people to concentration camps after business hours, too bad for those people" — it wasn't 42 minutes. It was hours, because the judge would've at the latest seen their emergency application at the start of the business day.
And giving the government 24 hours to respond, while ordinarily more than reasonable, is utterly unreasonable if the government is going to use that period to create unremediable facts on the ground. Nothing about the plaintiffs' application would have denied the president the right to "express his view of the facts"; the only relief the plaintiffs were seeking was to freeze the situation so that everyone would have that right.
And again, this "presumption of regularity" argument is bullshit. Trump had the benefit of such presumption, and lost it, by blatantly lying to the courts repeatedly about these deportations.
There was no emergency in that case. Any harm was remediable. Here, the administration has expressly taken the position that once the people are on a plane, they are permanently screwed; they can't get any relief at all.
Oh, and finally, Ho and Blackman can GF themselves with this "terrorist" crap. The entire point was that the administration had made no showing that any of these people were terrorists, and was desperately trying to avoid having to make any showing.
Because only David has higher motives, and his targets are always lowest of the low.
Recall the emergency relief sought in Does 1-3 v. Mills, 142 S. Ct. 17 (2021). Members of the Court expressed concern about the "use [of] the emergency docket to force the Court" to "grant . . . extraordinary relief" "on a short fuse without benefit of full briefing." Id. at 18 (Barrett, J., concurring in the denial of application for injunctive relief). The amount of time considered too short in Does 1-3 was nine days. Compared to 42 minutes, however, nine days is a lifetime to decide a motion.
News flash: only a. pathetic piece of sh!t, an utterly wretched scumbag, thinks that illegal aliens trying to avoid deportation are MORE important than American citizens trying to exercise their Constitutional rights.
But David has nothing but contempt for the people questioning why SCOTUS is so much more solicitous of the "rights" of the illegals.
Because that's David
They're not "illegal aliens," you garbage human being. And they're not merely trying to "avoid deportation." They're trying to avoid being sent to a concentration camp from which the commandant boasts that nobody is ever released.
And nothing prevented the applicants in the Mills case from exercising their constitutional rights to make up fake religious doctrine about vaccination. Nobody was holding them down and forcibly injecting them, or threatening to ship them off to a foreign torture prison if they didn't get vaccinated.
Well, the screeching rhetoric is now officially dialed up to 11. Maybe take a break and go touch grass for a while.
I note that you don't actually contest its accuracy. "Torture prison" is another characterization of it, but "prison" carries with it the implication of some sort of process. here we have people never convicted of a crime anywhere being rounded up and shipped off. I'm not calling them extermination camps based on what we know at this time — just concentration camps.
If you truly believe that, you really do need to get some air. You're cavalierly diluting terminology in search of some cheap rhetorical points.
What is the correct terminology for the El Salvador prison from the perspective of the deportees?
You guys really like the word screeching, don't you? It's a way of discounting criticism without addressing it.
This is what propaganda looks like. Blackman, Ho, and their ilk have found their time to shine!
Any loss of respect the Court has for this president's ability to follow the law seems pretty well justified:
"The Trump administration has deported at least two immigrants to war-torn South Sudan in defiance of a federal court order, according to attorneys for the immigrants.
The two men are originally from Myanmar and Vietnam and were being held in U.S. immigration custody. Their lawyers say they learned of the deportation plan after receiving an abrupt notice Monday evening. By Tuesday morning, the men were already on a plane along with as many as 10 other deportees, the lawyers said."
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/05/20/south-sudan-deportations-donald-trump-00360762
Not that it matters to people like Ho and Josh, but here's what Roberts actually said:
“In our Constitution, judges and the judiciary is a coequal branch of government separate from the others with the authority to interpret the constitution as law, and strike down, obviously, acts of Congress or acts of the president. And that innovation doesn’t work if the judiciary is not independent. Its job is to, obviously, decide cases, but in the course of that, check the excesses of Congress or of the executive, and that does require a degree of independence."
We just had the Solicitor General last week testify to SCOTUS that the Trump administration won't commit to following the opinions of circuit courts. (And certainly not district courts!) Only SCOTUS opinions apparently matter. One more reason why SCOTUS is going to have to keep jumping into these Trump situations. How can the justices be expected to presume the regularity of obviously irregular behavior? We know that the effect of the 42-minute ruling was an illegal bus turning around!
Judge Ho states as a fact that the litigants are "illegal alien members of a foreign terrorist organization." The emergency panel on remand will be asked to decide whether the government can support this assertion. So how could Judge Ho possibly avoid recusal if he's selected for the panel?
Excellent point; it would be poetic justice if his dishonest over-the-top rhetoric in campaigning for a SCOTUS nomination was used against him.
The document states underlined in all caps, "PUBLISHED ORDER".
I see no reason this order should have been published. It's a routine scheduling order, Ho notwithstanding.
Judge Ho not being on the Supreme Court is a great example of Republicans playing to lose.
Scalia's succeeded through judicious application of *restraint*. Ho ain't got that chill.
Bomb thowing wankers are not actually the best at having an impact beyond being a reliable vote.
A reliable vote for fascism is all he's asking for. Alito shouldn't have to do all the lifting.
"We seem to have forgotten that this is a district court—not a Denny's."
Wins the day in this matter. Can an American citizen expect such prompt service from courts or is that only reserved for foreign terrorist organizations comprised of illegal aliens?
It depends if that American citizen is about to be shipped out of the country to a place where the government will claim that it can no longer reach them and thus they're beyond the government's ability to rectify its error.
Jesus FC on a Popesicle stick, this is a deliberately stooopidly bad argument. The urgency of court decisions includes situational needs, not the "TdA faster than citizens" bool sheet propaganda you want to promote.
Emergency rooms treat someone with arterial bleeding before a person with a sprained pinkie toe.
When I get my tires changed at the local garage, it's slower than a F1 pit stop.
Someone whose neck is currently being forced into a guillotine needs faster consideration than a routine custody issue.
People literally being put on a bus for shipment to CECOT need faster action than a state legislative vote squabble.
Context. Fraxxing. Matters.
You can't possibly be an attorney if you don't get that court systems - local, state, federal, S.Ct. - are not a brainless first in, first out pipeline.
"Why is the President afforded the "presumption of regularity"? It is because he was certified as the President. And he maintains that presumption until he is no longer in office."
One might think that the "presumption of regularity" had something to do with "regularity", and whether official duties are in fact properly discharged. One might further assume that there are in fact circumstances that could rebut such a presumption. After all, it would be quite absurd to afford a "presumption of regularity" towards a government who expressly claims that they might not follow court orders (resulting in harm that the government concedes would be impossible to remedy), even if Trump's term has not yet expired. This is a presumption of "regularity", not a presumption of being President.