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Second Amendment Roundup: Solicitor General Seeks Guidance from Supreme Court
“Where arms may be carried” and “what types of arms people may possess” should be resolved.
The United States has filed an amicus curiae brief in support of the cert petition in Wolford v. Lopez seeking review of the following issue: "Whether the Second Amendment allows a State to make it unlawful for concealed-carry license-holders to carry firearms on private property open to the public without the property owner's express authorization." As the brief explains, "after Bruen, five States, including Hawaii, inverted the longstanding presumption and enacted a novel default rule under which individuals may carry firearms on private property only if the owner provides express authorization, such as by posting a conspicuous sign allowing guns." The Ninth Circuit upheld Hawaii's law.
In doing so, Solicitor General John Sauer explained how multiple Justices and judges have recognized the need for more guidance from the Court on Second Amendment issues. The brief explains:
Rahimi began the process of clarifying who may possess arms…. This case affords an opportunity to begin addressing where arms may be carried. And the Court should, in an appropriate case, also provide a framework for evaluating what types of arms people may possess…. The Court's consideration of those important questions would help lower courts seeking to interpret the Second Amendment, legislatures seeking to comply with the Constitution, and (most important) ordinary Americans seeking to exercise their fundamental right to possess and carry arms for lawful purposes such as self-defense.
As to the "types of arms" that are protected, as I've posted previously, two cases have been repeatedly relisted and remain before the Court: Snope v. Brown, which concerns whether Maryland may ban semiautomatic rifles that are in common use for lawful purposes, and Ocean State Tactical v. Rhode Island, which asks whether a confiscatory ban on the possession of magazines that are in common use violates the Second Amendment. These cases have been distributed for the conference of Friday May 2, and both would make excellent vehicles to resolve the issue of protected types of arms.
The SG's brief in Wolford makes the following argument that would apply to a number of the ongoing Second Amendment challenges: "The preliminary-injunction posture in which this case arises should not deter this Court from granting review. The court of appeals did not decide this case in haste; to the contrary, it issued an 81-page opinion nearly a year after petitioners appealed…. And since the court's merits analysis all but foreordains the final outcome, further proceedings in the lower courts would serve no useful purpose."
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"The Court's consideration of those important questions would help . . . . legislatures seeking to comply with the Constitution"
and reveal which legislatures are hoping to violate it. Look at any of the so-called Bruen response bills for examples.
The behavior of those legislatures is very similar to the behavior of certain state legislatures after Brown v. Board of Education was decided.
Never let it be forgotten.
the same side that calls for decarceration, calls for defunding the police, accuses the police of habitually hunting down and gunning down unarmed Black men, accuses the criminal justice system of being systemically racist...
...is the same side that enacts these laws which will be enforced by these very same police in this very same system.
You need some serious lessons about the distinction between the left and liberals.
The lefty "All Cops are Bad" folks are very often big firearm fans. They have Huey Newton gun clubs.
Gun control, which is a quite large continuum of policies, comes more from the institutional liberal folks.
No, a handful of them belong to the SRA and like to spam 'under no pretext' in gun forums as if the rest of us don't know the whole passage.
But in general the Far Left doesn't want *you* to have guns, only the state (police) which will be used against you while they continue to chant ACAB.
Moral and intellectual consistency get in the way of gaining and exercising power, you see.
I live in Maryland and sad to say I don't think Snopes is a good vehicle at all. The Maryland law banning rifles is in truth very narrow, limited to some weird list
that came up in the 80s and their exact copies, and a 2-feature test. You can own an AR 15 (And I do), like the Ruger or IWI Zion. There are AK pattern rifles you can own that are not clones.
Snopes is not a good vehicle because Maryland law is primarily virtue signaling that doesn't stop you from buying a rifle. Most of the time.
The briefs engage in a lot of hyperbole about the Maryland law but most of it is just that.. exaggeration. The justices live in Maryland and Virginia and are going to know that.
That's kind of like saying that "Lady Chatterley's Lover" wasn't a good vehicle because there were other 'obscene' books you were still allowed to buy. Once you establish that a state can arbitrarily ban guns, the very fact that the ban was arbitrary allows them to expand it at will.
Not disagreeing. But I think it will be very hard for them to write an opinion based on Maryland law that does not also implicate NFA. There simply are not 5 votes on the Supreme Court to let normal people buy machine guns, no matter how much people hope so. That means the opinion coming out of Snopes will be mealy-mouthed.
I thnk if they take Snopes it will end up being a disappointing result, like Rahimi.
You should look up the banned list, its like a list of 80s movie guns lmao. Ruger mini 14 folding stock model (think A team) but not the ranch rifle**. Some on the list werent in production for decades when they passed it in 2014.
Edge cases that are broader bans are better for the Supreme Court to take on merits. Maybe Rhode Island, I havent looked. Certainly CT, NY, CA, or IL bans.
The ruger mini 14 semi auto folding stock model is banned, but for about 13k you *can* buy the full auto transferrable version in Maryland. Hilarious.
Actually, it will be very easy for them, if that's what they want to do. If.
They'll simply say that the banned guns are not functionally distinguishable from the guns that aren't banned, and couldn't be banned under Bruen, and so are obviously protected. While machine guns ARE functionally distinguishable from semi-automatic arms, so the government is drawing a reasonable line.
"I think if they take Snopes it will end up being a disappointing result, like Rahimi."
I'd say it's 50-50, I'm just saying that if they don't want to disappoint, the won't find it hard to distinguish this ban from the NFA.
The '94 AWB was similarly arbitrary, it had a long list of arms banned by name, in addition to the forbidden features clauses. This was deliberate, it was an attempt to establish that Congress COULD arbitrarily ban guns, so that they could later start adding to the list with the court fight already done.
"While machine guns ARE functionally distinguishable from semi-automatic arms, so the government is drawing a reasonable line."
Where would they pull that one from? What case talks about a reasonable line? Why couldn't a reasonable line be drawn between bolt/lever action and semi-automatic?
Well, because both bolt/lever action and semi-automatic rifles are commonly owned, while thanks to gun control laws that set in while the Court was refusing to uphold the 2nd amendment, very few people own machine guns. So it's much easier to draw a "commonly owned" functional line between machine guns and bolt action vs semi-auto.
I'm not saying it's a principled distinction. The only Justice on the Court who cares to be principled about the 2nd amendment is Thomas. I'm saying it's a quite easy to rationalize distinction.
The magazine ban in MD is even more ridiculous. It only applies to the transfer of them. Cross the border into VA, WV, or PA and buy a pallet full of 30 rd magazines and bring them back to MD. Completely legal.
I know the Cabela's at the mall in Delaware sold a lot for this reason, and also to avoid sales tax.
"“Where arms may be carried” - all
“what types of arms people may possess” - all
Shall not be infringed is explicit.
For the "yeah but" crowd, at the time it was written, cannon and warships were included. Put that in your "common use" pipe.
This is about carrying arms on private property.
The rest of the story:
. . . carry firearms on private property open to the PUBLIC.
You mean like a public accommodation?
I think the default should be to allow carry.
But I also think it should be really easy for a store to deny carry if they so choose. Texas requires comically large signs in English and Spanish. And you have to post 2 or 3 of each, depending on whether you're trying to deny licensed carry, unlicensed carry, open carry or concealed carry.
And you SHOULD have to be very specific and up front when you, as a property owner, are telling people that they can't exercise a constitutional right on your property.
But again, the store owner denying carry shouldn't carry a criminal penalty, any more than it should be illegal to enter a store with a ballpoint pen in your pocket against the owner's wishes.
I must say, it's actually quite refreshing to see the SG doing this. Even during prior Republican administrations, you didn't expect the SG or DOJ to be actively opposing gun control, so this is a big change.
During Democratic administrations, of course, they actively promoted it.