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More Evidence that Immigrants - Including Illegal Ones - Have Much Lower Crime Rates than Natives
A new Cato Institute study further refutes claims that illegal migration is somehow causing a crime wave.
Claims that illegal immigration is causing a crime wave are ubiquitous on the political right, and likely helped Trump win the 2024 election. But social science studies consistently show that immigrants - including illegal ones - actually have much lower crimes than native-born Americans. A new analysis by my Cato Institute colleague Alex Nowrasteh and political scientist Michelangelo Landgrave is the most thorough and up-to-date assessment yet.
Alex summarizes their findings here:
Our consistent finding is that legal immigrants have the lowest incarceration rates, followed by illegal immigrants, and that native-born Americans have the highest. Illegal immigrants are half as likely to be incarcerated as native-born Americans, and legal immigrants are 74 percent less likely to be incarcerated….
A persistent criticism of Cato's paper in this series is that the native-born incarceration rate is only higher because black native-born Americans have a high incarceration rate (see Table 1 from our paper). It's certainly true that black native-born Americans have the highest incarceration rates of any ethnic or racial group in any immigrant category. However, the high black American incarceration rate does not overturn our results. It merely narrows them. Immigrants have lower incarceration rates even without considering black native-born rates….
Excluding black native-born Americans and black immigrants reduces the native-born incarceration rate by 27 percent, from 1,221 to 891 per 100,000 in 2023 (see Table 1 for reference). Excluding black immigrants barely reduces the legal immigrant incarceration rate to 312 per 100,000, but increases the illegal immigrant incarceration rate to 626 per 100,000. Excluding blacks increases the illegal immigrant incarceration rates because their rate is below that of the rest of the population. The legal and illegal immigrant incarceration rate gap with natives also narrows to 65 percent and 30 percent lower, respectively. Excluding only black native-born Americans and keeping black immigrants in the sample, which doesn't make sense but critics have brought it up, produces almost identical results.
It's worth pointing out that legal and illegal immigrants have lower incarceration rates than their ethnic and racial counterparts in the native-born population in every case. Furthermore, black legal or illegal immigrants do not have the highest incarceration rates. Immigrants don't just have lower incarceration rates than native-born Americans because black Americans have such a high rate, but because immigrants of every racial and ethnic group have lower incarceration rates than their native-born ethnic and racial counterparts.
Nowrasteh and Landgrave find that both legal and illegal immigrants of every racial/ethnic group (black, white, Asian, Hispanic) have lower crime rates than native-born Americans generally, and (with one exception) also much lower rates than native-born whites. The one exception is Hispanic illegal immigrants (incarceration rate of 879 per 100,000), which is modestly higher than native-born whites (741). But even that exception is likely driven by the fact that these figures don't fully control for the fact that illegal migrants are younger and have a higher percentage of males than native-born citizens (young people and men have much higher crime rates than older people and women). Moreover, some crime committed by illegal migrants is a consequence of their illegal status: difficulty finding legal employment likely incentivizes some to participate in illegal markets, where there is more violence than in the legal sector.
In sum, immigration - including the illegal kind - is actually reducing our crime rate, not raising it. There is no immigrant-driven crime wave. Much the contrary.
A common response to such data is to say that any immigrant-driven crime is intolerable, especially if committed illegal migrants. Even one additional murder or rape is one too many!
But this logic implies that any significant population increase is bad. After all, any large group of people inevitably includes at least a few violent criminals. That suggests increases in the birth rate (a high priority for many right-wing pro-natalists) are bad. After all, some of these children will grow up to be criminals! It also indicates the US was wrong to accept the ancestors of most native-born Americans. Some of them were criminals, too!
Claims that crimes committed by illegal migrants are in a different moral universe from those committed by other people are flawed for the same reasons that "I'm for legal immigration" arguments are generally defective. See my discussion of that fallacy here. A murder or rape committed by an illegal migrant is no worse (and no better) than one committed by anyone else.
Ultimately, we should focus on reducing crime rates, not absolute amounts of crime. The latter objective has the perverse implication that a larger population is generally worse than a smaller one, since, other things equal, more people means more crime.
But even if our goal is to reduce the absolute amount of crime rather than the rate, immigration restrictions are the wrong approach to achieving that objective. Resources devoted to deporting people with a low crime rate can be more profitably devoted to targeting actual criminals, thereby by deterring and otherwise preventing many more crimes. In Chapter 6 of my book Free to Move: Foot Voting, Migration, and Political Freedom, I estimate that transferring the tens of billions of dollars currently spent on immigration enforcement to ordinary law enforcement would enable us to put tens of thousands of additional police officers on the streets; social science evidence indicates that can greatly lower crime rates, thereby preventing vastly more crime than enforcement of immigration restrictions does.
Moreover, immigration restrictions - like other laws that create a black market, such as that in alcohol during Prohibition - actually increase violent crime, by creating opportunities or organized criminals. Reducing or eliminating restrictions can reducs that problem, just like the end of Prohibition reduced violent crime associated with Al Capone and other participants in the illegal alcohol industry.
In addition, increased immigration creates vast new wealth, and improves the government's fiscal position (reducing budget deficits). If necessary, some of that extra wealth can be invested in expanding law enforcement budgets.
In sum, if crime is your concern, immigration restrictions are part of the problem, not part of the solution. It would be better to make legal migration easier, and transfer resources from immigration enforcement to ordinary police.
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https://notthebee.com/article/the-man-who-stole-kristi-noems-purse-and-cash-while-out-to-dinner-authorities-say-hes-an-illegal-alien
And if it had been Kristi Doe, the crime would never have been officially reported, so it hadn't happened?
Let me put this in terms simple enough for moonbats to understand: How many White men were accused of raping a Black woman in the Jim Crow South? So it didn't happen?
As much as Ilya may wish to think otherwise, it was just that the cops didn't prosecute those crimes, nor are they prosecuting immigrant crimes here today.
Smart people argue from statistics. Stupid people argue from anecdotes. Responding to a claim based on statistics with an anecdote is about the level of stupidity I'd expect from a Trump asslicker.
Smart people use arguments that persuade their target audience.
Trump voters have convinced themselves that everyone being deported is a bona fide illegal alien.
They cannot comprehend that someone might be deported who is here legally.
And if they are here legally it’s only at our convenience. So they still don’t care.
Nor do they distinguish between deportation and life imprisonment in El Salvador. Because FYTY.
Nor can they imagine this happening to someone they care about. The idea that AOC could round up white citizens and ship them to El Salvador faster than they can call a lawyer is incomprehensible.
So they still don’t care.
Says the Democrat groomer who loves castrating little boys and mastectomies for little girls, while mucking with their hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis before age 25, guaranteeing hormonal dysfunction for life.
You trolls really need to read the nation and burn those talking points from Act Blue. Or.....contact David Hogg for his winning bullet points!
Democratic Leaders Get Worst Polling Result in Over Two Decades
New polling carried out by Gallup from April 1 to 14 showed that confidence in Democratic congressional leadership has hit an all-time low since the organization has surveyed voters on the issue going back to 2001.
Just 25 percent of respondents expressed confidence in Democratic congressional leadership, down 9 points from the previous historic low of 34 percent set in 2023. The confidence level is also significantly below Democrats' historic average, which has been about 45 percent since 2001.
Meanwhile, confidence in congressional Republican leadership is on the upswing and is double digits ahead of Democrats.
Thirty-nine percent of respondents said they are confident in GOP leadership, up slightly from 36 percent last year. That level is also 14 points higher than current confidence in Democrats.
The poll surveyed 1,006 adults across the U.S. and has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 4 percentage points, at the 95 percent confidence level.
https://www.newsweek.com/democratic-leaders-get-worst-polling-result-over-two-decades-2061763
Wtf does that have to do with worrying about AOC shipping off your mom to a Chilean prison?
Are you a bot?
Are you an illegal alien with lack of English fluency? Try reading it slower
Democratic Leaders Get Worst Polling Result in Over Two Decades
New polling carried out by Gallup from April 1 to 14 showed that confidence in Democratic congressional leadership has hit an all-time low since the organization has surveyed voters on the issue going back to 2001.
Just 25 percent of respondents expressed confidence in Democratic congressional leadership, down 9 points from the previous historic low of 34 percent set in 2023. The confidence level is also significantly below Democrats' historic average, which has been about 45 percent since 2001.
Meanwhile, confidence in congressional Republican leadership is on the upswing and is double digits ahead of Democrats.
Thirty-nine percent of respondents said they are confident in GOP leadership, up slightly from 36 percent last year. That level is also 14 points higher than current confidence in Democrats.
The poll surveyed 1,006 adults across the U.S. and has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 4 percentage points, at the 95 percent confidence level.
https://www.newsweek.com/democratic-leaders-get-worst-polling-result-over-two-decades-2061763
HTH
Are you trying to argue that you aren’t worried about this being used against you, because you don’t think a Democrat will ever be president again?
And you are also not worried about the Republican Party turning against you?
Persuade? As Jonathan Swift is quoted (accurately or not) as saying, “You cannot reason someone out of a position they did not reason themselves into."
Reason is not the only form of persuasion.
There's also a 2x4 to the cranium, I suppose.
Yes. Also "got 'em by the balls", "hearts and minds", etc. This is the Trump era, after all.
Once acculturated, and certainly their children, will join the low morality, high crime groups, like the American South blacks and the Hispanics. This article fails to account for that delayed effect. Deportation is an incentive to follow the rules. Once removed, they have no morality. This post is billionaire propraganda to suppress all wages, including those of professionals, lawyer geniuses. All wages have stagnated for 50 years. The assets of the billionaires have soared way above the rate of inflation. Dismissed.
I propose allowing a million lawyers from India into the US. They work for $12000 a year. They would love to work for $30000. They speak the King's English. Our legal systems are nearly identical. Fast track their citizenships, and accept their examinations for licensing purposes. Until Ilya promotes that idea, he needs to stop trying to destroy our economy for everyone else, from dishwasher to doctor.
1. No one other than US citizens have a right to live in the US. The US can deport illegal aliens if we determine that that is in the best interest of the US. Sometimes it is.
2. Generally, the US should deport aliens back to their home country. However, if their home country refuses to take them back then I do not believe that means we are required to let them live in the US indefinitely. We can either imprison them or deport them to a third country that agreed to accept them. If that third country wishes to detain them that is fine and it is also acceptable for us to pay for that - foreign countries do not get control over US immigration policy by refusing to accept deported citizens.
Its pretty obvious how stupid it is to compare a self selected significantly more grownup extremely secretive group with the entire rest of the population of a country with statistics that depend on voluntarily cooperating with authorities that are willing to collect them in a time where many blue jurisdictions have openly come out against that. You might as well argue that wild animals take a crap less often than humans because you see a lot more toilets. Mr. Somin knows all this of course but continues to repeat it in bad faith.
Agreeing with Somin is about the level of stupidity I'd expect from an open borders fanatic.
The plural of Anecdote is Data.
The plural of anecdote is anecdotes. Sometimes, but rarely, there are so many anecdotes off the same kind that tentative conclusions may be drawn from them - like, but not the same as, data.
+1
Smart people try to understand the methodology of the study on which the statistics are based before they start arguing from them. In the case of the numbers presented in this article, I wonder whether the study counts violations per person or per incident. That is, if a person is incarcerated 10 times over the study period, did that count as 10 incidents or one incident?
I know there's something that sets all illegal aliens apart from legal residents. Something to do with breaking the law. It's on the tip of my tongue, just not coming to me.
https://notthebee.com/article/check-out-the-poor-denver-dad-arrested-by-ice
It's not about a crime wave. It's the fact that every single crime from jaywalking to brutal murder is one that would never had occurred had they been prevented from entering, or immediately removed when caught.
On that theory, we should jail everyone, regardless of immigration status. Then there would be no crime on the streets. No proper on the streets, either.
Don’t give them any ideas.
It's almost as though you were unable to read an entire blog post. Why, it's almost a thousand words!
If they really are as great as Mr. Somin claims all the countries in the world should be chomping at the bit to take these Einsteins in waiting to lower their crime rate and skyrocket their economy and science. Why is this not the case? If other countries are simply dumb and not recognizing the potential these people bring Mr. Somin should be out scolding them, not focusing his attention for some reason on one singular nation. I'm pretty sure a country like Mexico or an impoverished South American country could really use the boost a lot. Or if they need to reach their potential in a First World country there are good places in Europe or Asia. Yet you have Somin hording the human resources for one specific already privileged country at doesn't even want them and (according to him) will mistreat them when they could be happily helping a much more deserving host. Seems pretty messed up.
1) Educated people know that it's "champing" at the bit, not "chomping" at the bit. Are you anti-immigrant because you know they're smarter than you?
2) This is a bad faith argument by you. You people don't think the U.S. should do other stuff that foreign countries do, so why would you pretend you care about what they do vis-à-vis immigration? You would never say, "If widespread private ownership of firearms is so great, why don't other countries allow it?" You would never say, "If protecting hate speech is so great, why do other countries punish it?" You would never say, "If free markets in medicine are so great, why do other countries all have socialized medicine?"
As much as I disagree with it there's clear incentives for authoritarian countries to disarm their citizens or control them with substandard gibs. Mr. Somin however claims open borders is win win except trumps a big racist meanie. So what's everyone else's excuse?
That argument was literally pre-futed in the post. Maybe you should've read it before posting.
It's all about needing someone to look down on. Then-Senator Lyndon Johnson understood the visceral appeal of racial segregation, as his press secretary Bill Moyers has related:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1988/11/13/what-a-real-president-was-like/d483c1be-d0da-43b7-bde6-04e10106ff6c/
Losers in the culture wars have a primal need to look down on some category of "others." Whatever one might conclude from the comments on this blog, overt race baiting is no longer tolerated in polite society. Those who in private decry "spics," "wetbacks," "gooks," "niggers" and "ragheads" (or want to do so), in public instead fulminate about "illegal aliens."
How many folks who denigrate "illegals" coming into the United States have clamored for a fence along the Canadian border, where the folks on the other side are, well, WHITE?
That's also an argument for abortion. I think it is silly.
Can't we have a happy intelligent medium?
For example, aliens (legal or otherwise) should be deported if there is a preponderance of evidence that they have committed any crime other than de-minimis ones like minor moving violations or littering. (So no deportations for 65 in a 55mph zone but yes for 100 in a 55mph zone - that is a threat to life and limb).
I feel the same way about fentanyl deaths that spiked to 100k a year in 2020! How many deaths are caused by illegals per year??
100% of illegals have committed a crime in the US.
Deal with it.
Nope nope.
At least one crime. Besides illegal entry if they obtain employment they are violating laws about working without valid work permits, if they use fake ID to obtain the permits or for any other reason ( such as obtaining housing) that is also a crime. Many ( estimates say 25-50%) work under the table and thus fail to pay many taxes so add tax evasion to the list.
The non-goal-seeking umpires at CATO somehow missed that!
Weird.
Normally they remember to say "non-immigration related" but that gives the game away by admitting that they are criminals.
Criminal as in Milwaukee Judge Hannah Dugan?
Dugan is going to get free gender affirming hormones in prison, finally get the gender reassignment surgery she has been eagerly seeking at the taxpayers expense, and burn those gawd awful dresses that make xer/xis/dem look frumpy
New Surname to be announced be suggestions welcome: Ms Anita Mann and Traila Trash seem to fit the belly, um, bill
The IRCA of 1986 made it illegal to hire people without work authorization; it did not make it illegal to work without such authorization.¹ (To be sure, if one presents false documents to get a job, that could be a crime. But if one just works, it is not. There are immigration-related consequences for working without authorization, but those are civil, not criminal.)
¹The notion that in a free society one needs permission from the government to work is obscene.
To be employed in the USA a person needs an Employment Authorization Document. Working without such a document is a violation of the law and working with a fake document would also be a separate violation of the law.
"Working without such a document is a violation of the law"
Not a crime, and not even illegal in all circumstances (such as working for an immediate relative).
Sigh. I repeat: the law makes it a crime to (knowingly) hire someone who is not authorized to work in the U.S. It does not make it a crime to work without authorization.
If you own a restaurant and an illegal alien approaches you and says, "Do you need help? I can wash dishes," and you hire him even after he tells you that he doesn't have authorization, you have committed a crime. He has not.
But...
By seeking to be illegally hired, aren't they aiding, abetting, counseling, commanding, inducing, or procuring the commission of the crime by the employer? And thus, punishable as a principal?
A free society that requires foreigners seek permission to cross the border and set up house here? That's crazy talk. Downright fascist. No nation that is truly free and democratic would ever even conceive of such a thing.
There is, literally, no country in the world that is truly free and democratic.
Also, what do you think 'democratic' means?
It means you get a vote. That's it. Rights and freedoms are not an inherent part of a democracy - see Europe for an example. Or South Korea. Or Singapore. Or every democracy in the world.
If you’re in disagreement with that worthless slug crazy Dave, I couldn’t agree more. That’s why I was mocking him, her, or it.
Look, by that standard, black people in the South commited a crime every time that had to walk through a whites-only area to get to work.
Could you identify a crime that anyone would actually not consider just part of living an ordinary life if the exact same action - entering the country, working, obtaining an ID, obtaining a social security number - was done by a citizen? If there are the only crimes involved, you’ve basically made the case, and done a good job at a making the case, that making any of these things illegal does nobody any good, and they should never have been made crimes in the first place.
And to add to it, you think having the IRS report on them is going to encourage them to pay taxes?
Are you comparing immigration laws to segregation?
I’m merely pointing that your argument above is nearly identical to a common argument made in favor of segregation, that blacks were habitual criminals, with similar kinds of crimes, crimes based on laws that criminalized behavior that would be unremarkable if done by a white person.
Sure there are better arguments against open immigration out there. But if the reason to restrict immigration is that immigrants work without permits, if you gave them permits they’d work with permits. The status of not having a permit, not the act of working, is what distinguishes between unremarkable and criminal behavior. Working is by itself ordinary, unremarkable, non-criminal behavior.
The problem, of course, is that we have a horribly broken immigration system and large parts of our economy rely on illegal immigrant labor. Much of the US agricultural and meat packing industry would be uneconomic without that.
We need a system that allows temporary workers to come to the US and work in this and similar industries. You should also check out the systems that places like Hong Kong, Singapore, and UAE have that allow temporary immigrants to come in as household workers - these are a huge benefit for middle class families and I see no reason why the US should not have a similar system. This could also make daycare much more affordable which would help many working class families.
Until we have a system like this, it seems a bit unreasonable to penalize people for coming in and working illegally in a system that we have built, albeit haphazardly and without planning, that actively incents this and needs their labor to make our economy work.
But it's never temporary, and it's never just young single 20 somethings. It's always whole families, and then once they produce citizen children on U.S. soil, the open borders crowd screams about how it would be inhumane to separate them, to uproot their lives from the nation they've lived in for years, or whatever other stupid trope they can come up with.
Well, there it comes down to being hard core and deporting such people when necessary.
But as long as they law abiding and working or otherwise self supporting, what is the problem?
Once that stops, yes, we have to deport them.
Can you name what self-supporting and non-law breaking illegals have been deported?
Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia.
By name? No.
But the Trump Administration has made it clear that they are casting a broad net and will deport such people. They are also raiding workplaces where they are likely to find many such people.
I was replying to TaioF920 and he also seemed clear that he wanted all illegals deported, presumably including hard working and law abiding people.
One can be hard working and law abiding and still be a net negative for America.
Let's say a tomato picker comes and does $20,000 worth of labor in a year. He brings his wife, and then produces "citizen" children. They all go on Medicaid or just use the emergency room as the doctor's office, his kids get "free" education, including ESL, and food stamps. That $20,000 doesn't look like such a good deal anymore, and that's not even accounting for the cultural problems large numbers of unassimilated immigrants bring.
And there I agree.
I think birthright citizenship for children of people temporarily in the US (generally anyone without a Green Card) is bad policy, but it is undeniably what is in the Constitution.
A program like the one I describe should include a requirement to return pregnant workers, but that will definitely cause problems politically, and not just on the left. For example, since many women in such situations will likely opt for abortions many people in the pro-life camp will oppose such rules.
On the other hand, you need to consider that without that tomato picker you end up without a domestic tomato industry. Not just farming but also processing. Many other agricultural products are similar.
You then end up with three choices:'
1. Gut the domestic industry, throwing many Americans out of work, and import more food, worsening our trade deficit and reducing our food security in the event of war or major economic dislocation, or
2. Raise tariffs on imported food to preserve the domestic industry and thereby increase prices and food inflation (cost of eggs, anybody?), or
3. Massively subsidize domestic agriculture requiring a big new bureaucracy to manage it (look at Europe), inevitable fraud, and a huge new and expensive government program that will require tax increases or a larger deficit.
Choose your poison.
100% of US citizens have also committed a crime in the US, if you want to have that low standard for what counts as a crime.
Trumpist cannot fathom that this might be turned against them.
LEOPARDS ATE MY FACE
1/6 says hi.
Do not whine about your rules.
What supposed law do you claim that 100% of US citizens have violated.
How many American citizens have never violated a speeding law in their life? How many have always paid all their taxes, including on tips, babysitting money, and bingo earnings?
The hypocrisy is rediculous.
Well about 10% of American citizens seldom to never drive that would prove less than 100% have sped. Furthermore nobody excuses violations of the law by citizens. Get caught speeding and receive a ticket with no sympathy and be expected to pay it and fail to pay taxes and fines and prison time ( unless you are Hunter Biden) is your fate.
The hypocrisy is excusing the lawbreaking of illegal aliens
The level of pedantic speculation you're having to go to in order to whinge about hypocricy is kind of telling, no?
In most states you are required to pay "use tax" on items ordered from elsewhere.
How many people report that and pay the tax? I'll give you an anecdote: Some years ago a reporter asked the NY Commissioner of revenue how many use tax returns the department had received.
His response was that he knew who the seven most honest people
in NY were.
None of those are criminal infractions.
...illegals do the same. Their driving is notoriously worse.
You're not really proving your case.
Jaywalking is a good start.
I never jaywalked. And, by the way, 100 percent of US citizens are not foreign nationals who broke federal law by illegally crossing the US border.
I never jaywalked.
Duh. When bots can jaywalk, we're really fucked.
Either you parrot trolls multiply like an illegal caravan or you’re an established parrot troll with a new idiot alias. Could even be the little communist girl Sarcastr0 trying to impress.
I can believe that a bot without a corporeal existence has never jaywalked, which requires, uh, sentience.
Rather quick response crazy Dave. Is that you above too? Don’t tell me you’re off your meds again? How many versions of crazy Dave are out there? It’s like those crap Matrix movies, except with parrot trolls.
My mistake NG, lost track of which parrot troll I was addressing. All you parrot trolls kind of blend together after a while, like some big blob idiotic parrot troll thing, because you are I guess.
Jaywalking is not a crime, dumbass.
It's quite telling that the idiots who want to assure us that illegals don't commit crimes also don't know the difference between a crime and a civil infraction.
Distinction without a difference.
Is a visa overstay a crime or a civil infraction? What about crossing the border?
NYC recently ended the criminalization of jaywalking.
I've only see it prosecuted re: town/gown relations.
Care to back that up with, oh I don't know, let's call them facts for lack of a better word, little communist girl that never smiled?
100% of illegals have committed a crime in the US.
If this implies that being here without legal authorization is criminal, that's false. If the implication is that 100% of illegals committed the crime of sneaking across the border, that's false too. About 40% entered legally and overstayed their visas -- also not a crime.
Laken Riley’s killer/rapist would have had a much harder time killing and raping her if he’d been in Venezuela, or even in New York, the last place he’d been arrested until ICE flew him to Atlanta (on Delta of course) so he could get with his “Sponsor” in Athens, surprised Senator Van Heineken hasn’t payed HIM a visit(of course most GA State Prisons don’t have a Carlos y Charlies to sip a Margarita in)
Oh, and he got a Life sentence because the Athens GA DA doesn’t believe in the Death Penalty (except for Laken)
You can always identify an isolated case to “prove” any rule you’d like.
Do you realize how many murders and rapes we’d have prevented if we gave everyone life imprisonment for speeding?
Why is it that both sides in this debate feel the need to take totally unreasonable and uncompromising positions?
From Wikipedia on Riley's murderer:
In October 2023, José and his brother, who was reported by authorities to be a member of the Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua who temporarily worked at UGA,[42][43][44] were arrested by Athens police on theft charges for reportedly possessing stolen merchandise from a local Walmart, and were later released.[45][46] Ibarra had a bench warrant issued for his arrest in December 2023 after failing to appear in court in a shoplifting case in Georgia.[47] ICE stated that it had missed an opportunity to detain Ibarra after an arrest in New York because he was released by New York officials before a detainer could be issued.[37]
Why can't we agree that we need low salary low skill immigrants in our workforce to make our economy work so we need to allow them in and to move to a set up that brings them in legally and intentionally with registration and some kind of background check and also that we should instantly deport aliens when there is a preponderance of evidence that they have possessed stolen goods or shoplifted?
I do not side with us having a need for a de facto slave class. Sorry.
How the heck is allowing people who currently enter the US illegally because they are desperate to work at the wages we offer a legal pathway to ensure and work having a "de facto slave class"?
Intereresting. No quarrel here with the data, but I think you too blithely conclude that arguing against any increase in crime constitutes an argument against any immigration. I take it as a given that vetted immigrants commit crime at lower rates than illegal immigrants, and if that’s right it’s a further argument for exercising effective control over who is allowed to enter thencountry.
I have a big quarrel with the data. Nowrasteh is honest enough to limit his claims to incarceration rates, but Ilya the Lesser substitutes "crime" for "incarceration" without considering that there are good reasons that crime rates and incarceration rates are different -- especially considering that sanctuary jurisdictions let illegal immigrants get away with a lot of law-breaking.
Most sanctuary jurisdictions don't ask and even prohibit asking immigration status of those arrested or incarcerated. Oregon has a state law that prohibits state law enforcement from asking immigration status for example.
You don't have to ask their immigration status in order to have policies that differentially favor them. For example, a certain felonious judge didn't have to ask whether a domestic violence defendant was an illegal immigrant when ICE came to arrest the defendant.
My argument is that the sanctuary jurisdictions don't want to know ( officially anyway) what the immigration status of the criminals that they arrest. Oh they probably know one way or another ( no SSN, speak no English, demand special ethnic foods etcetera) but they don't want to officially know because then they would have to reveal that information and we would better know how illegal aliens affect the crime rate.
I have lived as an expat most of my life.
Most expats (not all) are working for a living and supporting their families. They are very aware that committing a crime can put all of that in danger - they can be deported - and they keep their noses clean.
Some expats are habitual criminals. They go to rich countries like the US because that is where the money is and they plan to live and support their families through various crimes.
I really do not see a contradiction between providing legal ways for law abiding aliens to enter the US and work in industries where we need their labor and quickly and reliably deporting aliens who commit crimes. Why can't we do both?
Sure, but even before arrest, they do things to shift law enforcement away from illegal immigrants. They don't want to arrest them. If they do happen to arrest them, they don't want to prosecute them. If they do prosecute them, they don't want to imprison them. This distorts the numbers that Nowrasteh focuses on and disconnects those numbers from what Somin claims they mean.
We had a judge in WI dismissing domestic charges against an illegal before helping him sneak out of the courthouse.
Democrats are quite upset that she was arrested for, you know, blatantly violating the law.
So if sanctuary jurisdictions refuse to compile statistics about criminal aliens, how can Nowrasteh and Somin claim anything about the alien crime rate?????
They can't. Not honest and realistic claims anyway.
Alex Nowrasteh is an open borders partisan as bad as Somin.
We might as well take gun control research from David Hogg.
Not a serious response.
Nor is yours.
Noting that KevinP did nothing but ad hominem is actually a pretty useful thing to point out, if you are serious about actual argument and not Internet wanking.
He didn't note anything, did he?
I find he did. He didn't write it out, but he didn't really need to.
Here you are, defending ad hominem as something not worth calling out.
Sarcastro whining about ad hominem is genuinely hilarious.
It's fully as serious as Nowrasteh deserves, and at least as truthful as Nowrasteh is.
Just ignore the sanctuary cities refusing to classify them, inflating the not illegal alien total or the various other crimes they're let off on or commit just to live here. Fuck off with your motivated reasoning and outright lies.
Not an informed response.
It is quite an informed response. The fact that many law enforcement agencies refuse or are barred from ascertaining immigration status of criminals guarantees that the statistics are skewed to the point of being worthless.
Sanctuary cities are protecting against racial and cultural prejudice. Not against legitimate enforcement.
How are they protecting against racial or cultural prejudice by not honestly recording the immigration status of those arrested?
And they are prohibiting police from capturing data on immigrations status which skews the stats on illegal immigrant crime rates.
Then you should be able to easily inform us of the truth.
MAGA are just desperate for their fairy tales about an immigrant crime wave to be true because otherwise they might have to admit — if only to themselves — that their anti-immigrant prejudice is irrational t best and racist at worst.
I guess white folks just never committed crimes against black folks when the Democrats ran the South. I mean, the crime stats were REALLY low and all...
Oregon even forbids law enforcement from asking about immigration status of those that they arrest. That includes every law enforcement agency in the state from the smallest town to the state police.
I have consistently taken the view that conservative immigrations on immigration are rational (although Professor Somin’s is as well).
However, Mr. Trump’s characterizations of immigrants more resembles Nazi characterizations of Jews, or Southern segregationist characterizations of Negros. Nazi propaganda repeatedly portrayed Jews as criminals despite a complete lack of evidence. And this propaganda shows that if you repeat lies overvand over again,you can get a significant number of people to believe them. Trump’s propaganda shows the same thing.
Nazis just wanted to send the illegals home?
I must have studied a different era of history than you did.
Indeed. When Hitler was elected, his campaign platform was to expel the Jews and other non-Germans. That remained his message until WWII.
There were Jews who voted gor him because they thought expelling the Jews would mean a lot of them would go to Palestine, which would be good for Israel.
It’s amazing people can disagree with this. It can only be because of racism and xenophobia, which of course is Trump’s stock in trade.
Even if you don’t know any illegals — and I do know quite a few — it doesn’t take a lot of brainpower to figure out that if you’re in this country illegally, you keep your head down. You don’t argue about bad working conditions, or sub minimum wages. You certainly don’t risk getting in trouble with the law.
>Even if you don’t know any illegals — and I do know quite a few — it doesn’t take a lot of brainpower to figure out that if you’re in this country illegally, you keep your head down. You don’t argue about bad working conditions, or sub minimum wages.
Another polite fiction like "judges are neutral and not partisans" or "rule of law". They're marching in the streets demanding more free shit. They aren't afraid of anyone since no one was doing jack shit about them for awhile now.
"You certainly don’t risk getting in trouble with the law."
...and you don't risk reporting crimes.
you don't risk reporting crimes.
Well, you don't risk it if the police are going to start asking you about immigration status.
But you might if it didn't mean you were going to be deported.
Another reason the sanctuary city policies is a good idea.
But why stop at ignoring only immigration laws?
How about taxes and labor laws? Ignore those too?
Taking that as true for sake of argument, that sort of suppressive factor by definition only works as long as they're in the country illegally, which is most emphatically not the long-game outcome Somin et al. are playing for.
So isn't it just a TOUCH disingenuous to play this up as a reason we should be ecstatically grateful to have people like that in the country?
Not what Somin is pointing out. Saying “being illegal is itself dangerous” is not true and not an argument.
Ilya is pointing out he needs a new butt plug because clearly the one he has been using of late is providing no satisfaction
1. I responded to you, not Somin.
2. Somin is giddy with glee that immigrants supposedly have lower crime rates. If your proposition is correct, it's by definition an integral flaw in the conclusions Somin lauds.
As Dan phrased his comment, it's true that it applies to people here illegally. But people who are here legally also have to keep their heads down, because they are subject to deportation on top of criminal punishment if they are caught committing crimes.
And we should take solace in this because you envision that underclass existing in perpetuity? That's certainly not Somin's vision.
Which wouldn't explain the disparity in crime stats - illegals commit crimes at higher rates than legals and illegals get less leniency if caught.
The answer is that legals are vetted and self-selected from non-criminals and the people taking the illegal route are those who can't take the legal one - usually because they're habitual criminals.
not true
illegals commit crimes at higher rates than legals and illegals get less leniency if caught.
So you didn't read the OP, and prefer bigotry to facts.
Well, I think we can provide pathways to make them legal temporary workers and at the same time impose rules that result in non-citizens (legal or illegal) who commit any significant crime (and yes, that includes shop lifting, theft, fraud, drunk driving, etc) being quickly deported.
The only ones who have to keep their heads down are the illegals, yet ...
The very article you claim antis don't read says illegals commit more crime.
One might even say of your response ...
* Not serious
* Not informed
That’s not what it said.
What, the quote is not what it said?
Oh, bullshit. You obviously don't have to keep your head too far down, if you're in a jurisdiction that's determined to make sure the feds don't find out when an illegal breaks the law, and you've been enjoying for years a system that places a very low priority on finding and deporting illegal aliens.
To be sure, the majority of illegal immigrants aren't guilty of anything more than illegal entry or overstay, illegal employment, identity theft, tax crimes, and so forth. Not real crimes, in the opinion of Cato. Not crimes they are willing to count, when calculating crime rates.
But that can be perfectly true, and illegal immigrants still have a high crime rate, because only a relatively small fraction of any group are going to be habitual criminals.
I would estimate that between a quarter and a third of the people I know well are legal aliens. I'm married to one, after all, I know most of my friends through the local Phil-Am association, I work for a multi-national. I have no problem with legal immigrants, and I sure didn't marry a Filipina because I was a racist xenophobe. More of a xenophile if anything.
But something like a third of the world population would move here tomorrow if they could, and we can only accommodate so many immigrants, so fast, without massive social disruption, of exactly the sort Somin wants to pretend we're not already dealing with.
So, with a limit to how many people we can take in, how fast, I want us to prioritize the cream, not the whey. Educated, productive, obsessively law abiding people, not unskilled, English illiterates who demonstrably have contempt for our laws.
As far as I'm concerned, every illegal immigrant is one less legal immigrant we have room for, and even Somin admits the legal ones are even more law abiding.
Brett, of course, thinks the stats aren't true because he's reasoned out a propensity for crime by people who come here illegally.
He also pretends to know the illegal experience pulled basically out of his own resentment and also his ass.
And then he claims to have no problem with legal immigrants. Except he does not mind deporting them for speech. He equates them to criminals on probation.
From illegal to legal, from making up how comfy their lives are to favoring every bit of cruelty and rights abrogation the administration can come up with.
Just motivated reasoning because Brett thinks it's cool when there are outgroups that are bound but not protected, and ingroups what are protected but not bound.
Have you read this study? I wouldn't trust it as far as I could throw Cato the elder! Look through the methodology!
First, they're not analyzing crime rates, they're analyzing incarceration rates. Which means that any crime that doesn't end with you incarcerated doesn't count.
Now, why would an illegal immigrant end up not incarcerated after a crime? It clearly doesn't happen, right? Of course it does, the Biden administration had an actual policy of avoiding prosecution of illegals if it would force their deportation! A lot of jurisdictions do.
Second, they come right out and admit that they don't actually have good data, which is why they infer whether somebody is an illegal immigrant based on assumptions which to some extent build in their conclusion. Such as that, if you're on any sort of public assistance, you must not be an illegal immigrant. Rather than, say, illegally getting that assistance by fraud.
The bottom line is that they don't actually have the data to back up their numbers.
Oh, and the accusation wasn't that I have problems with legal immigrants who support terrorist organizations like Hamas. It was that I had problems with them in general.
It's like claiming that somebody on the Keto diet hates fat, just because they're not interested in eating Crisco by the spoonful.
I like selective legal immigration. Like I said, cream skimming. Lately we've been not nearly selective enough, but there's plenty of actual cream out there for the skimming, if you don't go out of your way to skim the moldy lumps on the spoiled milk, instead.
"Even if you don’t know any illegals — and I do know quite a few"
They banging your wife too, judge?
Except you don't. Because you can't. Because you're a criminal and that is just what you do.
You don't know any illegals. Stop making shit up. You *might* know a couple of Asians and maybe some Black people from work.
Does this study account for all the leftwing judicial law-rewriting in favor of illegals?
Democrat judges let murderers go on the street if they're illegals.
The logical flaws with this argument are astounding.
First off, you ignore criminal immigrants are deported after their sentence (or even if can't convict) so they can't reoffend like citizens. This alone blows your argument apart.
Second off, your own data show legal offend way less than illegal immigrants. So legal immigrants are much favored.
Third off, it's irrelevant. Illegal immigrants by definition shouldn't be here and thus any crime they commit adds to gross crimes.
Fourth, you discount that perhaps border patrol is really good at keeping out criminals and/or they get immediately returned if caught at the border while others get to stay pending court hearings.
Fifth, if we followed your logic and got rid of immigration laws no one seriously would argue that masses of criminals wouldn't come and ransack the United States, no different than if you got rid of theft laws. Which you can see in California et Al.
Reason is a great publication and needs to stop this Somin ridiculousness.
To be fair, until Trump they mostly weren't deported and under Biden often were just let go to reoffend again.
Less crime than natives? Blacks? Big deal how about Whites? I doubt it...look at the FBI 10 most wanted.
The debate should start and end with this fact:
"Our consistent finding is that legal immigrants have the lowest incarceration rates"
We have a proven method for vetting legal immigrants, whether family based, diversity lottery based, or employment based.
If we don't have enough immigrants expand those categories.
My wife and mother in law are both legal immigrants, both had to submit police reports that would show any arrests or convictions.
If you require 62 year old women to submit police reports to legally immigrate, why would you let anyone that can get to the US border in without any vetting at all?
And hand in hand with our vetting of legal immigrants, there's no doubt some self-sorting going on with the immigrant population itself: those that opt for the legal path likely have a greater regard for following rules in general.
Next up from CATO:
"Studies Show How Transwomen Really Are Authentic Biological Real Women"
quickly followed up with
"Studies Confirm Gay Parents Are Better Than Normal Parents For Child Rearing"
So we're actually the bad guys?
Who da thunk!
None of this addresses the primary problem with Biden immigration.
* States pass out welfare like candy. Free food, free lodging in luxury hotels, free cash.
* States protect and hide illegal immigrants from the feds. Witness that judge who scurried one out of her court right in the middle of a trial so ICE couldn't arrest him for some fresh crime.
* States issue driver's licenses to illegals and register them as voters.
And this was during the Biden years, when they had little to fear from the feds.
None of this is true.
Not a serious or informed response.
You make shit up, you're gonna get called on it.
All three things you posted are lies.
Just populist outgroup hatemongering.
None it is true except for the parts that are true, which is all the parts.
Not giving undocumented people driver's licenses is not a great policy. We might call it a "stupid government trick" since they are still going to drive. A license regime, with a test to show basic ability to drive and a photo ID, is a positive public policy.
Lots of excluded middle going on here.
I am not an open borders person, and I have no problem with work being done to deport those who are here, so long as it's done in a decent and humane manner.
One can realize that, and also realize that illegals are the victims here, not the villians.
The amount of hunger to demonize these people is some dark shit.
Hell, now that Trump's in office to otherize ALL noncitizen residents - bind them but not protect them - is populist authoritarianism.
Those two things when the appear together have a history of ending quite badly for a country and it's peoples.
The hate and bile here is some wind sowing. I hope we don't all get to reap the all to common result.
Yes
"illegals are the victims here, not the villians"
lol, lmao. They're here to plunder our country, to remit us into oblivion.
No, they're not.
And what the fuck is 'remit us into oblivion?!' what kind of melodramatic weirdo are you?
It's the same mercantilist idiocy that makes people think tariffs are a good idea and trade deficits are a problem.
The importation of 10s of millions during the Biden administration was the sowing, mate.
Trump is the whirlwind, the response to the Progressive actions over the last 2 decades.
Populist authoritarianism.
Few things are more corrosive in politics than the conviction that you have been wronged so much that you're justified in breaking all the rules to get even.
importation of 10s of millions during the Biden administration
That's preposterous. Either you're hilariously misinformed or you're lying.
Por que no los dos?
Touché.
Clicking through to the table: Okay, well if we take this data seriously, then we should allow white and asian immigration, but put the breaks on black and hispanic immigration. We should also crack down on illegal immigration, because they commit crimes at much higher rates than legal immigrants across categories. Also: We must do something about the domestic black crime rate, because this is an astonishing level of criminality.
Your proposal is acceptable.
The principle is rather clear. We accept a certain amount of criminality among the legal and citizen population because that is what governments throughout history have to put up with as part of society. We should accept ZERO added criminality from illegal immigrants because none of them should be here at all.
I also don't accept the implicit proposition that the only problem is criminality. Even if we were to assume that these illegal immigrants committed zero crime and obtain zero social welfare benefits, the problem is that they have illegally entered the country and should leave. The left seems to argue a "no harm no foul" system of immigration. If I overstayed my time in Canada, for example, I would fully expect to be shown the border even if I could clearly show that I wasn't hurting anyone. It is basic security.
Why would a legitimate legal system not be based on no harm, no foul?
Because your premise starts with a lie.
But you don't give a shit.
What premise?
Maybe you should ask a lawyer to explain to you the concept of malum prohibitum.
We should accept ZERO added criminality from illegal immigrants
No, though. You don't care about their crimes. You want them all gone regardless. Or at least you want to hate liberals for not wanting that.
who's demonizing, Sarc?
Does anything I said here not come directly from his comment?
Wow. I completely missed that idiotic post of Somin's in 2020 that criticized those who support legal immigration but not illegal immigration. I've seen some stupid posts before but that is probably the worst I've ever seen. By that logic I don't have to follow any gun laws and cashing a check at a bank is the same as robbing the bank.
Ilya Somin is an Open Borders Extremist. He has made repeatedly clear that any restrictions on immigration whatsoever are unacceptable to him. It is a pity that he has made it his life's work to destroy the country that rescued him and his family from communism.
Does Somin want to REMIT US TO OBLIVION???????????
I'm sure he doesn't personally send remittances back to the Motherland, he's just an activist who agitates for others to be able to. If you can find a single instance of Ilya supporting *any restriction on immigration*, I'll take back everything I've said about him being an Open Borders Extremist. If you can't, you can take your sarcasm for a long walk off a short pier.
I'll be frank with you - I don't care and it doesn't matter.
Secondly - the crimes illegal immigrants get up to are worse. Human smuggling, drug running, general violence, domestic abuse, child rape, etc. On top of more prosaic crimes like reckless driving, no insurance, DUI.
That they do it less doesn't matter as we already have too much of it and don't need to import more.
We vet *legal* immigrants so it's to be expected they have lower crime rates.
You want to lump illegals in with the legal immigrants in order to water down the illegal crime rate.
No one really gives a shit about people here on visas. Stop pretending that this is about them and not about false claims for asylum the government is complicit in supporting to allow the importation of 10s of millions of foreigners that will then be kept utterly dependent on the taxpay while they're shoved into red states in order to destroy the social fabric.
or foreigners who will prop up population figures that apportion Congressional seats in blue States.
The vetting effect in legal immigration is but one critical methodological shortcoming of these sorts of social “science” studies.
Another obvious failure is the presumption that incarceration rates are reliable proxies for population criminality.
And the supposed refutation that native criminality rates are skewed vastly higher in Black (and Hispanic) populations fails, too. Their own Table 1 shows that native White and Asian rates are lower than illegal Black rates—which was always the actual criticism.
There is no science in these studies—just hackery intended to sell a lie.
"social science studies consistently show that immigrants - including illegal ones - actually have much lower crimes than native-born Americans."
I don't care. That argument should prompt us to consider changes to the law, but it also should prompt us to consider such changes that allow us to admit immigrants only from countries with accessible criminal records. But the argument doesn't change the fact that horrific crimes have been committed by illegal aliens, and doesn't excuse the horrific crimes committed by the native-born. Address both. For the former, addressing this through firm control over who may enter would be the logical path to follow.
Fully neglected here, I think, is also the matter of the number or rate of added immigrants our infrastructure can sustain. That is an intensely local problem that the Federal government is utterly unable to estimate or compensate. Immigrants, assuming they are more peaceable and law-abiding than native-born, even when they add economically, do so only after some timelag, during which schools, hospitals, housing markets, etc have to catch up to the increased demand. Until then, they impose externalities.
I'm beginning to think that this argument is used more to elicit guilt than to form policy. Firm control of the border should not be controversial, regardless of whether we amend our laws to allow more immigration, or less. Otherwise, if we don't enforce criteria for immigration, why bother setting criteria for immigrants at all?
I also don't care. I also don't think we should have an open border.
But I think you should look at how many people here *do* care, and how fervently, and what kind of facts they demand be true.
Demonization is not a good look, and it's full on the mainstream of the right now.
"Demonization is not a good look, and it's full on the mainstream of the"
. . . OMB? Literally Hitler? Illegitimate officeholder? Sexual abuser, fascist, tax cheat, divider of families, arrester of children? Meh.
I don't care. I've already lost friends and relatives over the polarization. Everybody has. I'll feel no pang of guilt for it. I'll be demonized regardless of what I do or believe. I will, and invite you too, navigate the demonization by instrument flight rules.
I’m talking about demonizing the illegals.
I’ve lost no friends. I still have Trump supporter friends. We just don’t talk politics.
That yiu jumped to ‘I don’t care any more’ when that’s not at all relevant to my comment says a lot about how hurt you’ve been. That sucks.
Have you asked Laken Riley or AJ Wise about that?
Have you asked Eric Bolling about how Trump is guilty of negligent homicide for the death of his son??
Rank emotionalism from a demonizer.
Sarcastr0 refuses to complain when ten-year-old Americans get run over. Sad but not shocking, and not even really surprising given his track record. Reliance on name-calling rather than logical argument is entirely his stock in trade, though.
I also note the lack of black lives matter protests over the killing of AJ Wise.
Great point.
It us a mystery why there were a lack of mass protests.
This study overlooks the fact that sneaking into the country without going through official ports of entry and presenting a passport, visa or other official documentation is illegal.
So, if this were included, then that would change the statistics to higher levels of criminality among illegal immigrants..
The simple fact of being in this country illegally means you are less likely to commit (other) crimes.
Lol. People who break some rules are less likely to follow rules in general.
There are three kinds of lies: Lies, damned lies and statistics.
Tl,dr: did Nowrasteh & colleagues base their study on FBI crime data of which major cities opted-out?
Oh, it's incarceration data. At what clearance rate does that data become invalid?
Any corrections for prosecutions that do not result in conviction because witnesses and victims refuse to report or testify because they risk arrest for immigration violations? Does our tolerance for uncontrolled entry to US condemn millions to legal twilight?
I thought you didn’t care,
Now you seem very committed to explaining this thing you don’t care about away,.
Disappointing. You had the irrelevance right the first time.
Denialist doesn't even try to engage with the argument, probably because denialist realizes that Somin was the one lying about the topic.
more motivated by the feelings of knocking an opponent's argument than flying by instruments.
no clever replies about the relevance of incarceration versus clearance rates?
I'm not disappointed, though. You didn't pick up:
Roger S: "Somin wants to deduce from this that we should stop the deportations! no, that does not follow. Just the opposite."
Apparently the point here is that if aliens are in fear of deportations, then they are more careful to avoid committing crimes, or at least to avoid getting caught. Okay, maybe so. But Somin wants to deduce from this that we should stop the deportations!
No, that does not follow. Just the opposite.
Also the paper tries to imply that immigration reduces the crime rate, but it has no data to show that, and it is probably false.
I mean, it's math.
No, it's statistics. As a wise man noted, there are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics.
"I am the science!"
No, immigration could increase the crime rate because of crimes committed by first generation immigrants. Also, legalizing the immigrants could allow them to commit more crimes.
The desire to rape a girl's pussy is stronger than their fear of deporrtation, as too many girls can tell you, and too many girls are UNABLE to tell you.
Yeah, we all get it.
We need more illegal immigrants
Better they don't become citizens because citizenship corrupts
They are better because they are illegal.
You should be a lawyer, this is just the shit decent people hate about about lawyers (most of whom are citizens and therefore less moral than immigrants , right, Ilya) 🙂
So in other words, illegals commit less crime than Blacks? That's not saying much.
The study should analyze the crime rate of black and mestizo immigrants versus the native white and Asian population. That is a better comparison.
It does make that comparison, in fact, at least if we take "mestizo" and "Hispanic" to be functionally the same.
It is a false premise to include illegal immigrants with legal immigrants as one group.
This statistical argument has been debunked so many times.
And really, who thinks we should have totally open and uncontrolled borders, not even paying attention to who is coming here? Just let gangs, terrorists, criminals, etc stroll on in. Almost nobody thinks that, it's only fringe open borders lunatics like Somin and a bunch of commenters here. So it's kind of a dumb argument.
Ultimately, the globalist premise of a universal marketplace necessarily implies a universal (global) government. That's the viewpoint of those like Somin who compare immigration restrictions to alcohol prohibition. This is extremely naive, as well as being completely incompatible with self-government, fully intolerant of the diversity of values and beliefs and cultures around the globe, and ironically quite coercive and big-government. This is what I would call libertarian-flavored globalism and it's laughably defective, they seem to think functioning markets and cooperative societies are a default state of nature, rather than something carefully constructed and reliant on shared cultural values and ultimately backed by government force. If you have one market then you have one legal system. But libertarian-flavored globalists are fish who don't know what water is.
Mr. Somin,
I'll make this as simple for you as possible:
Incarceration Rates != Criminal Rates
Claims like yours is why the social sciences are seen in such disrepute. There are so many confounding variables that make your claim laughable:
Crime Commit Rate => Reporting Crime Rate
Reporting Crime Rate => Police Action Rate
Police Action Rate => Crime Investigation Sufficiency
Crime Investigation Sufficiency => DA Action Rate
DA Action Rate => DA Prosecution Sufficiency
DA Prosecution Sufficiency => Judge Impediment Rate
Judge Impediment Rate => Jury Conviction Willingness Rate
Jury Conviction Willingness Rate => Conviction Rate
Conviction Rate => Judge Sentencing Rate
Judge Sentencing Rate => Incarceration Rate
Your 'analysis' starts at Incarceration Rate and assumes equal application of all other steps going backward across all ethnicities, economic classes, and geographies. Doing so is asinine in the extreme, from a statistical standpoint.
For example are crimes reported at the same rate by race, across all economic classes, and across all geographies? Of the crimes that are reported, do the police take the same rate of action at the same level of competency across all races, economic classes, and geographies? You have zero data to support these questions across even the first two steps that lead from crime -> incarceration.
So, please just stop making such clearly biased, agenda driven, and false claims under the guise of scientific rigor.
Just imagine what havoc it would play with the numbers if the perpetrators and the victims generally came from the same community, and crime victims in immigrant communities (especially illegal immigrant communities) tended to feel it was not in their best interests to interact with the police.
Bingo.
Or if prosecutors in certain geographies decided not to pursue incarceration but instead other forms of punishment because of the status of the perpetrator as a member of a protected or favored group?
Or any confounding event that might upset the random nature of things needed to perform mathematically rigorous statistical analysis?
While everyone is focused on the immigration stats in the article, there is another fascinating secondary conclusion to be drawn:
The fact that incarceration rates for black illegal immigrants are starkly lower than those for native-born blacks, and even significantly lower than for native-born whites, is strong evidence that there is no "structural racism" in the US justice system.
There would be no crime rate for illegals, and no crimes commited in the US, if there were no illegals in the US.
Isn't the whole point of legal immigration to screen potential new citizens who are the most likely to be law-abiding and positive contributors to a nation? If you have a functioning immigration system, it makes sense that the legal immigrants have extremely low crime rates. Moreover, people are likely to value and prize a benefit that they've worked very hard to obtain (legal immigration) and won't be quick to throw that away.
People who don't live in my house have a much lower rate of damaging the property than people who live there. But I'm still going to be much more upset about a visitor -- particularly an uninvited one -- damaging something. Because it shouldn't be happening at *all* when they're on my property. Should I not be able to remove someone from my property for damaging the home just because I do it at a higher rate? I get to decide what to do with my own property.