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Maine Lawyer Tries to Get Federal Government Lawyer Investigated for Litigating Government's Claim Related to Transgender Athletes
The federal judge rightly rejects the request.
From WMTW:
A federal judge has denied a motion from a Maine lawyer asking for a special counsel to investigate the attorney representing the federal government in its Title IX lawsuit against the Maine Department Education.
{On April 16, U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi announced the Department of Justice was suing the Maine DOE for violating Title IX by allowing transgender athletes who were assigned male at birth to compete in girls' sports.}
Randy Creswell … filed a motion in federal court Thursday that accuses U.S. Department of Justice attorney Matthew Donnelly of discriminating against Maine students on the basis of gender identity by continuing to pursue the case.
No, said Judge Stacey Neumann (D. Me.):
ORDER re 9 NOTICE to Appoint Special Counsel to Investigate and Prosecute, as Necessary, Formal Disciplinary Proceedings Against Matthew J. Donnelly, Esq. for Professional Misconduct …. I conclude the appointment of special counsel is not warranted, and no further action on this filing is necessary.
You can read Creswell's motion here, and here's the relevant professional conduct rule:
It is professional misconduct for a lawyer to …
(d) engage in conduct that is prejudicial to the administration of justice;
(g) engage in conduct or communication related to the practice of law that the lawyer knows or reasonably should know is harassment or discrimination on the basis of race, sex, religion, national origin, ethnicity, disability, age, sexual orientation, or gender identity.
(1) "Discrimination" on the basis of race, sex, religion, national origin, ethnicity, disability, age, sexual orientation, or gender identity as used in this section means conduct or communication that a lawyer knows or reasonably should know manifests an intention: to treat a person as inferior based on one or more of the characteristics listed in this paragraph; to disregard relevant considerations of individual characteristics or merit because of one or more of the listed characteristics; or to cause or attempt to cause interference with the fair administration of justice based on one or more of the listed characteristics….
(4) Declining representation, limiting one's practice to particular clients or types of clients, and advocacy of policy positions or changes in the law are not regulated by Rule 8.4(g)….
The comments to the 2009 version of the rule, before paragraph (g) was added, say:
Legitimate advocacy does not violate paragraph (d). However, by way of example, a lawyer who, in the course of representing a client, knowingly manifests by words or conduct, bias or prejudice based upon race, sex, religion, national origin, disability, age, sexual orientation or socioeconomic status, violates paragraph (d) when such actions are prejudicial to the administration of justice….
The comments accompanying paragraph (g) don't expressly say that legitimate advocacy doesn't violate (g). But they do suggest that 8.4(g) is supposed to elaborate on the existing rules: "This amendment, which adds new Rule 8.4(g), is intended to dispel uncertainty as to what conduct is prohibited." The addition of paragraph (g) thus shouldn't be read as purporting to bar legitimate advocacy (i.e., advocacy supported by nonfrivolous legal arguments).
This is also reinforced by (g)(4) stating that "advocacy of policy positions or changes in the law [is] not regulated by Rule 8.4(g)." Creswell argues that the federal government lawyer wasn't arguing for "policy positions or changes in the law," since the federal government's position is that federal law (not just a policy position) already calls (without any change in the law) for limiting women's sports to biological females, and thus excluding transgender athletes. But surely if the rule allows arguing that the law should be changed in a way that discriminates based on race, sex, religion, age, socioeconomic status, gender identity, and so on, the rule must equally allow arguing that the law already calls for such discrimination.
And in any event, I don't think that the Maine courts can simply create rules that forbid advocacy substantively urging what the courts view as discrimination, even if the courts wanted to. Professional conduct rules are intended to set up guidelines about how lawyers can make their arguments, not about what legal positions lawyers are allowed to endorse.
That's especially clear with regard to federal government lawyers making arguments under federal law in federal court, something state courts can't substantively restrain. But I think it should be equally true for private lawyers making state law arguments in state court as well: If Maine courts disagree with legal positions that would treat people differently based on race, sex, religion, age, socioeconomic status, and so on, they can reject those arguments, but they can't sanction lawyers simply for making them.
And that's of course equally true for arguments that transgender athletes shouldn't be allowed in women's sports; for arguments that men generally shouldn't be allowed in women's sports; for arguments in favor of race- or sex-based preferences in admissions or employment; for arguments in favor of various preferences for or against religious institutions or religious observers; various sorts of perfectly legal age discrimination and socioeconomic status discrimination; and more.
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I agree with the author. The state bar could mandate case outcomes by simply prohibiting advocacy of one side of an issue becoming courts of last resort by themselves. That cannot possibly be right.
If a lawyer wants to argue that Brown was wrongly decided and ask a court to overrule it, that is what we are allowed to do as lawyers. Licensing boards cannot control litigation.
That's the INTENT -- if you can prevent certain viewpoints from being represented, it will ensue that those viewpoints are never presented, never represented, and anyone affiliated with them never defended.
This is what happens when you have a state with only one law school.
"if you can prevent certain viewpoints from being represented [Palestinians], it will ensue that those viewpoints [Palestinians] are never presented, never represented, and anyone affiliated with them never defended [Or jailed, or canceled]"
Palestinians are a myth.
How so? They date back to the Bronze Age (when they were called Philistines).
Palestinians are not the descendants of the Philistines, who were neither Semitic nor Arab. Palestinians are Arabs who happen to inhabit the disputed region historically known in the west as Palestine, and in general they did not understand themselves distinctly as Palestinians until well into the 20th century.
It was this particular lawyer’s intent. It was not the Stare of Maine’s intent.
Oh, really?!?
It was dismissed perfunctorily, without a hearing, right? That means there’s judge thought there was no serious claim Maine’s rules were violated.
Uh, look at what happened to Trump's legal team after the Big Steal in 2020.
The bars did not go after lawyers because they represented Trump Ian goals. They went after those lawyers because they knowingly misled the courts.
Bullshit
Exactly. Going after attorneys because they are representing clients you don't like or are making arguments that you disagree with is no way to run a legal system.
Randy Creswell (who filed the complaint) sounds like a kook. Fortunately, he got no traction here.
Unfortunately, some others are getting traction with this tactic e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Targeting_of_law_firms_and_lawyers_under_the_second_Trump_administration
Here is my analysis of the 65 Project and its unethical/illegal actions:
https://open.substack.com/pub/checkbook/p/the-hypocisy-of-the-65-project?r=16kgq&utm_medium=ios
Without endorsing Project 65 — because I haven't actually reviewed any of the relevant filings — I would observe that your criticism is based on the premise that Project 65 is targeting lawyers merely for representing Trump, rather than for how they represented Trump. Many of the lawsuits these lawyers filed were objectively meritless, such as by relying on an expert who confused Minnesota and Michigan.
Don't be a dipshit and try to find nuance where none exists.
There is no nuance to be had. Those lawyers knowingly made misrepresentations to the court.
"The 65 Project" - not Project 65 - was (maybe still is?) largely unsuccessful. The name comes from the 65 unsuccessful suits filed to overturn the 2020 election, and targeted over 100 attorneys. To the best of my knowledge, only one complaint gained any traction.
The more noteworthy examples of attorneys being disciplined for ethics violations related to those suits (Giuliani, Ellis, Eastman, Clark, Powell, etc.) were due to complaints filed by other actors. And you are correct that the sanctions were for "how they represented Trump" not because they simply represented him.
I think there is some merit in accusing The Project 65 of going after attorneys for simply representing Trump. Not necessarily that their complaints were meritless, but it appears that they picked their targets first and then looked for something to complain about.
Did The Project 65 go after lawyers who were unethical in other matters, or just related to Trump? There's the answer.
Taking lawyers off the payroll and denying them access to classified documents in which they have no case that needs them is not the same as trying to get a lawyer kicked off a case because of the viewpoint of the prosecutor/prosecution.
In the Perkins Coie hearing, it was noted that two of the lawyers at the firm are military reservists and need clearance for that. This order stripped them of clearances completely unrelated to their work at Perkins Coie for reasons completely unrelated to them at all.
Nothing like wasting the court's time with frivolous claims.
The slippery slope of requiring state bar rules in federal court.
Almost the entire point of federal court is to protect the people of the United States from the governments of the several States.
Why give the state government this kind of lurking power over the federal court?
I remember many years ago, the AUSAs in Detroit had to put out guidance to agencies saying they couldn't put undercovers in prisons to get confessions from bad guys because of the Michigan Bar's interpretation of Amd VI.
Kind of like Congressmen being answerable only to Congress for the things they say in Congress, lawyers in federal court should only have to answer in federal court.
Imagine the Jim Crow South doing this kind of thing.
JSM
Maine is more of a "Good Old Boy" state than Alabama or Mississippi ever was.
I commonly hear Maine called the South of the North. Oppose Florida, the North of the South.
Never heard that, but true. Incest and all...
"Why give the state government this kind of lurking power over the federal court?"
Well, Congress has made that determination by enacting 28 U.S.C. § 530B, which provides:
I surmise that this was a response to the 1989 "Thornburgh Memo" propounded by then-Attorney General Richard Thornburgh. https://www.nytimes.com/1991/03/01/news/thornburgh-policy-leads-to-a-sharp-ethics-battle.html As the New York Times described:
When Janet Reno took office in 1993, the Thornburgh Memo was revoked, and Congress enacted § 530B in 1998.
When Janet Reno took office in 1993, the Thornburgh Memo was revoked, and Congress enacted § 530B in 1998.
Ah, yes, Janet Reno, the AG under Bill Clinton that ordered a raid on the home of a Cuban family where a 6 year old Cuban boy lived. I remember it well. His mother and he came across the Florida straits in a boat, boat capsized, his mother died in the Caribbean sea. His father had nothing to do with him in Cuba and lived at the opposite end of the island, so the mother fled Communism seeking a better life for her son. His family in Little Havana in Miami sheltered him until Fidel Castro demanded the boy be returned for his now loving and providing papi. Bill Clinton, always eager to appease Communists, sent Janet Reno a memo, and she being a pussy of a lesbian, sent the US Marshalls to the boy's home on Good Friday early morning, the holiest day for Catholics. The photo that was flashed around the world was of a US Marshall pointing a rifle at the boy and the adult who was carrying him while hiding in the closet, because of the home invasion at dawn on Good Friday
http://www.floridahistorynetwork.com/uploads/2/5/3/4/25341746/1398167150.jpg
Understandably not a single Democrat complained about sending the boy back to Cuba because they deferred to DOJ, FBI & US Marshalls. Democrats are like that - never question the FBI
I wonder how much due process the kid got.
They can certainly muster insane effort to deport someone when they want to, even when the mom dies bringing him to a better life from a dictatorship.
Did the Clinton administration rush Elián González out of the country while courts were still considering the proper place for him, and then smirk and say, "Sorry, he's already gone, so there's nothing you can do about it?"
It’s like Rush Limbaugh on speed!
Janet Arsonist Reno of Waco infamy...
It doesn't override the Constitution, and state bar rules affecting advocacy that are not content neutral cannot be enforced by federal or state actors, including judges.
"It doesn't override the Constitution, and state bar rules affecting advocacy that are not content neutral cannot be enforced by federal or state actors, including judges."
Kazinski, can you give an example of a state bar rule that you contend would be unenforceable on that basis?
Still waiting, Kazinski. If you can't support what you are talking about, why did you posit it to begin with?
Your sealion shtick is especially dumb considering that this post is about one lawyer arguing that state bar rules imposed exactly such a content-based limit on advocacy.
Kazinski's comment was "It doesn't override the Constitution, and state bar rules affecting advocacy that are not content neutral cannot be enforced by federal or state actors, including judges."
The Maine Rules of Professional Conduct are here, Michael P: https://www.courts.maine.gov/rules/text/mr_prof_conduct_only_2023-09-28.pdf
Please identify which "rules affecting advocacy" among them are unenforceable for a lack of content neutrality? Kazinski is evidently unable or unwilling to do so. Are you willing to take up the mantle that he dropped, doofus?
I normally don't call prople stupid, but how stupid do you have to be to think I'm going to hang out in VC comments thread all day waiting for an assignment from you on a Saturday afternoon when the NFL draft is on live, and Shadeur Sanders still hasn't been picked into the fifth round, and my team still has 4 draft picks left, although there is no chance they are taking Sanders because they got a better prospect in the 3rd, and they signed their starter to a 3 year contract.
And because you do need things explained to you, any state bar discipline for "discriminating against Maine students on the basis of gender identity by continuing to pursue the case" would not be content neutral and can not be enforced by a state actor.
To say advocating for administration policy in court can be sanctioned by the bar goes way beyond the example you have put below.
Which is why the judge rebuffed the attempt regardless of whether Maine Bar rules allowed it.
"Which is why the judge rebuffed the attempt regardless of whether Maine Bar rules allowed it."
Being called stupid by Kazinski is akin to being called fat and unattractive by the late Andrea Dworkin. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Andrea_Dworkin#/media/File:Dworkin_on_After_Dark.JPG
Contrary to Kazinski's blather, the judge in Maine did not find any disciplinary rule to be unenforceable. Her order, which applies to a single motion in a single lawsuit, merely stated:
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69899270/united-states-v-maine-department-of-education/ (Docket entry 10)
Kazinski, how the hell do you claim to know what the judge was thinking?
Rule 8.4(g) of the Maine Rules of Professional Conduct states that it is professional misconduct for a lawyer to:
Flail away NG.
And I didn't actually call you stupid.
I asked: how stupid do you have to be to think I'm going to waste my time hanging a around a VC comment thread waiting for your assignment when the NFL draft is on live?
Thanks for completing your assignment and answering my question.
Michael P, there is no requirement that rules governing attorneys' professional conduct be "content neutral." None. Nada. Zilch.
Another illustration -- Dominick Gentile, an attorney, held a press conference the day after his client, Sanders, was indicted on criminal charges under Nevada law. Six months later, a jury acquitted Sanders. Subsequently, respondent State Bar of Nevada filed a complaint against Gentile, alleging that statements he made during the press conference violated Nevada Supreme Court Rule 177, which prohibits a lawyer from making extrajudicial statements to the press that he knows or reasonably should know will have a "substantial likelihood of materially prejudicing" an adjudicative proceeding, 177(1), which lists a number of statements that are "ordinarily . . . likely" to result in material prejudice, 177(2), and which provides that a lawyer "may state without elaboration . . . the general nature of the . . . defense" "[n]otwithstanding subsection 1 and 2 (a-f)," 177(3). It doesn't get any more content based than that.
Five members of SCOTUS upheld the validity of the disciplinary rule against facial attack based on the First Amendment. Gentile v. State Bar of Nevada, 501 U.S. 1030, 1071 (1991):
The Court further opined:
501 U.S. at 1075-1076 (citations omitted).
A different set of five justices in Gentile vacated the sanction against Mr. Gentile because the "safe harbor" provision, Rule 177(3), was unconstitutionally vague and could have misled Gentile into thinking that he could give his press conference without fear of discipline. Given the Rule's grammatical structure and the absence of a clarifying interpretation by the state court, the Rule failed to provide fair notice to those to whom it is directed, and was so imprecise that discriminatory enforcement is a real possibility. Id., at 1048-1051. That, however had nothing to do with content neutrality.
Commenters like Kazinski, Michael P and their ilk who love to banter concerning legal jargon should at least learn what the words and phrases mean before doing so. That having been said, I learned long ago that those who are honestly mistaken, once corrected, cease to be mistaken -- or else cease to be honest.
What about it, Kazinski? Do you still claim that any of the Maine Rules of Professional Conduct is "not content neutral [and accordingly] cannot be enforced by federal or state actors, including judges"? Yes or no?
"It doesn't override the Constitution, and state bar rules affecting advocacy that are not content neutral cannot be enforced by federal or state actors, including judges."
I don't know about that. In Ohralik v. Ohio State Bar Assn., 436 U.S. 447, 449 (1978), SCOTUS held that the State -- or the Bar acting with state authorization -- constitutionally may discipline a lawyer for soliciting clients in person, for pecuniary gain, under circumstances likely to pose dangers that the State has a right to prevent.
The Court there opined that "The state interests implicated in this case are particularly strong. In addition to its general interest in protecting consumers and regulating commercial transactions, the State bears a special responsibility for maintaining standards among members of the licensed professions" and that "The interest of the States in regulating lawyers is especially great, since lawyers are essential to the primary governmental function of administering justice and have historically been 'officers of the courts.'" Id., at 460, quoting Goldfarb v. Virginia State Bar, 421 U. S. 773, 792 (1976).
Among the disciplinary rules at issue in Ohralik was DR 2-103(A), which provided: "A lawyer shall not recommend employment, as a private practitioner, of himself, his partner, or associate to a non-lawyer who has not sought his advice regarding employment of a lawyer." That rule is obviously not content neutral.
In Zauderer v. Office of Disciplinary Counsel, 471 U.S. 626 (1985), the Supreme Court upheld a disciplinary sanction against an attorney who advertised that his law firm would represent defendants in drunken driving cases and that his clients' "[f]ull legal fee [would] be refunded if [they were] convicted of DRUNK DRIVING." That disciplinary action was obviously content based.
The Court in Zauderer reversed a sanction against the same attorney for including a line drawing of the Dalkon Shield in his advertising, contrary to a disciplinary rule which prohibited the use in attorney advertising of drawings, illustrations, animations, portrayals, dramatizations, slogans, music, lyrics or the use of pictures, except for the use of pictures of the advertising lawyer, or the use of a portrayal of the scales of justice. SCOTUS, however, there rejected the attorney's contention that the judiciary should subject disclosure requirements to a strict "least restrictive means" analysis under which they must be struck down if there are other means by which the State's purposes may be served. Id., at 651 n.14.
The first two rules you mention relate to soliciting clients rather than what the lawyer argued in court. The third was about advocacy in court. That seems like a lot of words to agree with Kazinski.
Why can't an attorney take OUI cases on contingency?
My argument is that I would only be taking the cases that ought not have been brought, so the STATE should be paying my fee, not the defendant.
Then and now the rules prohibit taking any criminal case on a contingency fee. That was one issue. The other was the state bar felt the ad was misleading as an uneducated consumer would view it as a "no lose" proposition: either I win, or I don't pay any money.
But in that jurisdiction it was routine to plead down a DUI to a serious traffic offense with many collateral consequences--although not called DRUNKEN DRIVING--leaving the client with a legal bill and for all relevant purposes a loss in his case. That is wrong to mislead people.
At least that part of the case deal dealt with policing illegal fee agreements and false and misleading advertising: two areas of law that are clearly within the power of government to regulate. I am unsure why the poster believed they are appropriate cites in this thread.
It is beyond absurd that allegations of discriminatory misconduct against the MDE rise to the level of misconduct justifying a special counsel to investigate for potential criminal violations. This motion however is so frivolous that the judge should consider a Rule 11 sanction against the filer.
The state bar rules did no such thing. The petitioner filed a frivolous claim. How would having federal rather than state rules prevent that from happening?
"Almost the entire point of federal court is to protect the people of the United States from the governments of the several States."
That's a gross overstatement if not entirely inaccurate. State and federal courts have different roles to play in our system, that is all. Sure, after the civil war we had to pass some amendments to get the southern states back in line, but our society is not one of hostility towards state courts who are just waiting to trample on the rights of their own citizens.
The original purpose was to protect the people of the United States from the government of the United States. In fact, there was an entire amendment (the 11th) whose purpose was to prevent federal courts from interfering in disputes between ordinary citizens and states.
The ultimate irony here is that the Maine Bar dismissed what appeared to be a legitimate complaint against a District Attorney:
https://www.themainewire.com/2025/04/maine-bar-dismisses-misconduct-complaint-against-kennebec-da-maeghan-maloney/
The same DA had a conviction thrown out for inappropriate ex parte conversation with a judge.
well he is a bankruptcy lawyer and he does have a really crappy website. Perhaps one of his kids came out as Trans-whatever?
For over 25 years, Randy Creswell has represented national and regional lenders, banks, financial institutions, private equity firms, secured and unsecured creditors, lessors and lessees, and other interested parties in consumer and complex commercial cases under Chapters 7, 11, and 13 of the Bankruptcy Code.
https://creswelllaw.com/about/
The District Attorney graduated from Harvard Law on a Truman fellowship.
Hypothetically, can filing a frivolous complaint against a fellow lawyer be an offense?
That may violate disciplinary rules. I don't think it is a criminal offense.
I didn't say it was. I thought offense included disciplinary violations. If I'm wrong I'm wrong, but...
Since Black's Law Dictionary includes "impeachable offense" as a subcategory of "offense," then either impeachment is a criminal prosecution or else an offense doesn't have to be a crime.
Which horn of the dilemma are you going to grasp? I find the question almost interesting.
The Trump Administration can do that, but no one can do that to the Trump Adiminstration.
Not surprised that you already forgot the number of "professional misconduct" type of complaints leftists were filing against any lawyer who dared file anything pro-R.
As is usual, it is (D)ifferent when democrats do it.
They've been running that playbook since forever. When the GOP took over the House in the 1990s and Newt Gingrich became Speaker, Democrats filed hundreds of frivolous complaints against him, all of which were dismissed, the vast majority immediately.
Then Democrats started calling Gingrich the most accused Speaker in history.
Didn't happen.
Didn't happen.
By contrast, Trump has been explicit in his threats to prosecute lawyers and judges who disagree with him.
Trump's 2020 Big Steal legal team would like a word with you.
You understand this was the Big Lie, don't you? At least one judge gave his lawyers a chance, and when the judge asked for evidence, under oath, they said "not much".
It's just the usual, but taken to 11.
Says he was "exonerated in every single case" in 1990s ethics violations charges.
In fact, out of the flood of ethics complaints, one, and only one, was not dismissed. "Almost all" is, in fact, not the same thing as "all".
Brett, did you read what you linked to? It says the opposite of what you offer it for.
Here's an excerpt:
"No, Gingrich was not "exonerated in every single case," as he said during the Boortz show. There is no doubt that the full House of Representatives voted to formally reprimand him for his conduct, and he was required to pay a $300,000 penalty."
"It says the opposite of what you offer it for."
Not just the opposite, the double opposite!
It seems that partisans on both sides want to punish lawyers for advocating positions with which they disagree. Then again, Harvard Law School appears to have no problem punishing lawyers, like Ronald Sullivan, who represent people the faculty doesn't approve of. As I have said, if Diogenes came to America, he'd still be searching.
Sometimes I wonder why people cant except the fact that male and female has nothing to do with a presence or absence of a cock, tits, or pussy. I mean, it's scientifically proven now. Disputing that is like disputing Fermat's Lost Theorem!
Why did humans believe such a thing in the first place?
Because people have this irritating habit of facing reality and not the laughable abuse of intellect by trannies.
I assume you are being sarcastic.
But think about it.
Male and female are only states of mind.
Sex segregation in sports is as nonsensical as race segregation in sports.
Think of women's sports as special Olympics for women.
You aren't against special Olympics are you?
Average male is 5' 08" -- average female volleyball player is taller.
Why do humans ever believe something as crazy as adopted parents being the “mother” and “father” of the child?
Unlike you, they have two brain cells to rub together.
Do humans believe "adopted" parents are the same as "biological" parents?
I think the argument is that they are often treated the same as biological parents.
Analogizing trans identity to adopted parenthood ignores that there is a significant amount of screening involved before one adopts, that there are significant commitments and sacrifices that go into being an adopted parent, and so on. On the other hand, dressing in drag to win sports competitions and shake one's twig-and-berries in a locker room primarily imposes costs on unwilling third parties while indulging the mental illness or autogynephilia of the trans person.
This distinction is lost on the dude who identified as two different queens and still seems to get confused between different account names here.
I would add that the concept of adoption predates the oldest civilizations.
Not this again.
Most people recognize that raising a non-biologically related child is equivalent for most purposes to raising a biologically related child, ergo women are bigots if they object to showering with men.
That's queenie logic for you.
Did Malika say anything about women's showers?
This seems like some weird trans-discussion-reflex strawman.
We get that you're dumb, but nobody believes that you're as dumb as you're pretending to be.
Pretty strange. Because in some cases we resort to legal or polite fictions because we find them beneficial means that we must engage in all fictions at all times.
Note they quickly leapt from discussion to asserting righteousness, with performance art that discussion in the negative is now an ostracism-level offense. That's the real power, beyond persuasion.
Religion has used it for thousands of years. Because it works.
The dark cloud of fascism is forever descending upon the right, but always manages to land upon the tolerant and inclusive left.
If
Mainestate courts disagree with legal positions that would treat people differently based on race, sex, religion, age, socioeconomic status, and so on, they can reject those arguments, but they can't sanction lawyers simply for making them.Agree completely, and yet, I wager it happens in blue state paradises. Lawyers are asked to leave firms. There are spurious ethics complaints. There are state bar filings. There is regulatory retaliation. There are many different ways to 'sanction'.
What's the difference between this and the outlawed Gay Panic Defense?
What's the similarity, alphabet guy?
The people in this thread who are offended by the lawyers premise that certain legal arguments are beyond the pale probably support the banning of the Gay Panic Defense.
To those people I ask, what's the difference between what this lawyer wants and the banning of the Gay Panic Defense?
compare:
- At High School Debates, Debate Is No Longer Allowed
- At High School Debates, Watch What You Say
If you advocate X (or even use language implying X), you are automatically disqualified!
compare:
plaintiffs: "We are suing the school district for letting boys/males compete against girls/females."
judge: "I will impartially judge your lawsuit. And by the way, if you call them 'boys/male' again, I'll hold you in contempt of court."
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/attorneys-for-connecticut-high-school-runners-ask-judge-to-recuse-after-he-forbids-them-from-describing-trans-athletes-as-male/
Mass gender insanity is a shocking thing to behold.