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Brief from Prof. Justin Driver (Yale) and Me in School Curriculum / Religious Opt-Out Case
"This Court should not announce an opt-out right for religious objectors under the Free Exercise Clause that its precedents would foreclose for students objecting to public-school curricula under the Free Speech Clause."
We argue, in an amicus brief filed in Mahmoud v. Knight (now pending before the Supreme Court), that the Free Exercise Clause doesn't secure a presumptive right to opt out of K-12 public school curriculum elements to which the parents or children have a religious objection. Many thanks to I. Rodgin Cohen, Amanda Flug Davidoff, Daniel J. Richardson, and Harrison J. Tanzola (Sullivan & Cromwell LLP), who wrote the brief on our behalf. Here's the Summary of Argument:
Petitioners ask this Court to hold that parents have a constitutional right to interfere with the routine curricular decisions of public schools. Whether this Court answers that question by applying its existing free-exercise precedents or—as members of this Court have recently suggested—by considering analogies to free-speech doctrine, see Fulton v. City of Phila., 593 U.S. 522, 543 (2021) (Barrett, J., concurring); id. at 565 n.28 (Alito, J., concurring in the judgment), the answer is the same: The First Amendment does not shield public-school students from the mere exposure to ideas that conflict with their personal views, whether secular or religious.
Every day, thousands of public schools throughout the United States make countless decisions about the best way to educate their students. Those decisions reflect the input of educators, parents, and local communities. They thus incorporate competing views about both the materials that should be included in public-school curricula and the role of public education in civil society. In a country as diverse as the United States, those decisions also often expose students to ideas that may be in tension with their deeply held beliefs.
This Court has developed an extensive body of law that balances the needs of the public-school system against the free-exercise rights of students and parents. These decisions prevent public schools from espousing or indoctrinating religious views, require schools to accommodate students' private religious practices, and let parents educate their children outside the public-school system altogether. At the same time, they also recognize the importance of local control over education and the harms that can arise from judicial interference in curricular decision-making. Taken together, this Court's precedents have established a stable framework—one that has allowed religious exercise to flourish on and off school grounds, but without inhibiting the ability of local communities to make decisions about public education and to expose public-school students to a wide variety of ideas.
Petitioners' suit would upset that balance. In this case, the Montgomery County Public School Board approved a set of books for its English curriculum that include LGBT characters. The Board added these books to "assist students with mastering reading concepts" and to teach respect for other students. Petitioners challenged MCPS's decision, arguing that the Free Exercise Clause requires the county either to remove the books or to accommodate opt-outs for any student who has a religious objection to reading them. In advancing that claim, Petitioners did not contend that the books espoused any religious or anti-religious view, nor did they show that the Board included the books to coerce students into adopting any particular viewpoint. Instead, they argued that merely introducing students to books in tension with their religious faith violated the Free Exercise Clause.
Petitioners' sweeping opt-out theory is inconsistent with free-exercise law and would undermine the educational system. For decades, this Court has recognized that students do not surrender their constitutional rights at the schoolhouse gate. But it has also explained that the protections of the First Amendment must be tailored to the unique demands of the school environment, and has cautioned against constitutional theories that would displace the "vital national tradition" of local control over education.
Applying those decisions, lower courts have consistently (and correctly) held that the Free Exercise Clause does not allow parents to override routine public-school curricular decisions. As these courts have recognized, "[p]ublic schools often walk a tightrope between the many competing constitutional demands made by parents, students, teachers, and the schools' other constituents." When weighing those demands, our constitutional system vests authority in "the normal political processes for change," rather than the federal courts.
That result is not unique to free exercise. In recent years, members of this Court have suggested that the Free Exercise Clause should be understood in light of other First Amendment freedoms. Justice Barrett's concurrence in Fulton suggested that the meaning of free exercise may be informed by how "this Court[]" has treated "other First Amendment rights-like speech and assembly." And Justice Alito's Fulton opinion argued that "the phrase 'no law' applies to the freedom of speech and the freedom of the press, as well as the right to the free exercise of religion, and there is no reason to believe that its meaning with respect to all these rights is not the same."
Examining how "other First Amendment rights" apply to school curricula confirms that the decision below was correct. This Court has long held that schools can expose students to materials on various subjects without infringing the free-speech rights of students and parents. And federal courts have long rejected claims (like Petitioners') that would either require student-specific opt-outs or empower individual parents to dictate educational decisions for the entire school. This Court should not announce an opt-out right for religious objectors under the Free Exercise Clause that its precedents would foreclose for students objecting to public-school curricula under the Free Speech Clause.
The practical implications of Petitioners' opt-out theory provide another reason for caution. Were this Court to adopt Petitioners' view, public schools would be forced to either (i) offer student-specific instruction every time a parent identifies a potential conflict between the public-school curriculum and their religious faith, or (ii) develop a curriculum so anodyne that it aims to avoid even the slightest risk of exposing students to ideas that may conflict with any conceivable religious belief-a task that would almost certainly prove impossible in practice.
Such a result would be both unworkable and undemocratic. Parents would have the right to flyspeck curricula in a vast range of academic subjects, as they have already tried to do. See, e.g., Fleischfresser v. Directors of Sch. Dist. 200 (7th Cir. 1994) (discussing a free-exercise challenge to books that reference "wizards, sorcerers, [and] giants"). And schools would be discouraged from providing the education they believe to be most valuable, in favor of making choices that-they hope, but can never know-would provoke relatively few parents to opt out.
The Court of Appeals' decision correctly applied free-exercise law, aligned with other First Amendment doctrines, and honored the importance of local control over education. This Court should affirm….
If you're interested, you can read the whole thing here and many more briefs on both sides here.
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IANAL, but this strikes me as a very good argument. Some people may be sympathetic to the petitioners, but wouldn't be sympathetic to folks similarly situated around a different issue. My faith tradition teaches that all war is sin. Could I then insist that my children be excused from any assignment that depicts military service, wars, or even soldiers themselves in a positive light?
Why not? Aren't these *reading exercises* in elementary school?
You'd be able to get out of *military service* if you believed war was a sin. If the military can handle conscientious objectors, so can the public schools.
That's a really bad example for the parents, because you can't do that. You can get out of military service entirely as a conscientious objector, but you can't pick and choose which wars you're willing to fight in. Similarly, you can opt out of the public school but not about of specific lessons.
One could certainly argue that there's a compelling interest in denying CO status to selective objectors to military service. The Supreme Court denied selective objection, and I imagine that if pressed, they could ground their decision on the compelling interest test: that there's an urgent need of young (wo)men to fight the nation's wars.
But what compelling interest is there in making little kids read books like this:
"In the alphabet primer “Pride Puppy,” children chase their dog through a pride parade. The parents who sued complain that the book “invites students barely old enough to tie their own shoes” to search for images that include “underwear,” “leather,” and “lip ring.” The school says the parents are trying to give a salacious bent to objects like a leather jacket. But since the lawsuit began, Montgomery County has stopped using “Pride Puppy” as well as “My Rainbow,” a book about a mom who makes a rainbow-colored wig for her transgender daughter."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/04/20/supreme-court-lgbtq-storybooks-religion/83123106007/
From the Court's selective-military-objector decision:
"The incidental burdens felt by persons in petitioners' position are strictly justified by substantial governmental interests that relate directly to the very impacts questioned. And, more broadly, of course, there is the Government's interest in procuring the manpower necessary for military purposes, pursuant to the constitutional grant of power to Congress to raise and support armies. Art. I, § 8."
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/401/437/
A compelling interest is only required if the act would otherwise violate someone's rights. I would not use that particular book in a pre-school/grammar school (and presumably it's far too childish for grades beyond that), but using that book does not violate anyone's rights. Not surprisingly, the compelling interest test is a lousy fit for school curricula, especially reading/English, since almost any text would flunk it. What's the compelling interest in making kids read Romeo & Juliet? Or Chaucer? Or Hemingway?
"What's the compelling interest in making kids read Romeo & Juliet? Or Chaucer? Or Hemingway?"
Familiarizing them with key pieces of literature in the history of our civilization?
But Jewish parents should have the right to object to the reading of Chaucer's Prioress's Tale. Wouldn't you agree?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prioress%27s_Tale
But Jewish parents should have the right to object to the reading of Chaucer's Prioress's Tale. Wouldn't you agree?
No.
So when you talk about exposing students to material they don't like, you include actual blood libels? I mean, it's Chaucer, so at least it's a *poetical* blood libel.
From the Wikipedia summary: "Satan, 'That hath (built) in Jewes' heart his waspe's nest', incites some Jews to murder the child and throw his body into a public cesspit. His mother searches for him and eventually finds his body, which miraculously begins to sing the Alma Redemptoris."
I assume they're not assigning it because they're antisemitic. If it's "examples of anti-religious bigotry in historical literature" then it seems like Jews would be particularly interested. Should we also not talk about the Holocaust around Jewish kids in your opinion?
"I assume they're not assigning it because they're antisemitic."
Assume they're antisemitic. This is *my* hypothetical.
DN gave the specific example of assigning Chaucer, to show how wrong it would be (in his opinion) for the courts to entertain parental complaints about their kids being assigned the works of that particular author.
Taking DN's own example and running with it, I show that, yes, it would make perfect sense in some cases for parents to object to the assignment of Chaucer.
Nope. If they're assigning it for the purpose of antisemitism, that's flat illegal, it's not a question of opting in or out.
What if they're careful not to make explicitly antisemitic statements and claim that they are impartially acting in the interests of education? Should courts be allowed to go into their motives?
If so, maybe courts could probe possible prejudice against traditional religions as a motive for assigning books which denigrate traditional religious beliefs.
Of course courts can go into their motives, and courts already do probe possible prejudice against traditional religions. What rock do you live under?
So, hypothetically, if a public school district discontinues its practice of allowing parents in traditional religions opt out of "Gay Pride" propaganda, the courts could examine the possibility that there may be some prejudice against traditional religion involved in that decision?
Of course. It would help if the plaintiffs had some evidence though.
I don't know what specific evidence if any they had in *this* case (MD case), but in general, a school district which specifically decides to expose religious dissenters' children to propaganda against their religion ought to have some 'spainin' to do to the federal courts, right?
It depends on the nature of the "propaganda against their religion." If that's a biology textbook, for instance, then no, unless there's some other evidence that they're teaching biology maliciously.
First, I think, we need to esstablish that gay pride is an established scientific fact, like the rudiments of biology, before we assume religious neutrality in exposing dissenting parents' children to it.
We've done that. Homosexuality is well established within biology.
Gay pride is an established scientific fact? Gay pride like in the "Pride Puppy" book mentioned in USA Today?
I don't know that they've proven that leather jackets are inherently gay. But I also don't see any reason to presume that they're anti-religious.
Of course. Nobody says that parents shouldn't have the right to object. Indeed, that's what I've said the proper remedy is: a political one. Try to convince the school board to change the curriculum. But objecting isn't the issue in this case. Demanding a bespoke curriculum to accommodate individual parental objections is.
So to be plainer, the school board can order the teaching of the Prioress's Tale, not as an example of antisemitism but as an example of good literature, and can brush aside the objections of Jewish parents, without raising any First Amendment issues?
Parents have a long recognized human right to determine the education of their children.
States should not have a right to disregard parental human rights just because it might be a little inconvenient for the government.
But of course parents have the right to opt out of the public education system altogether. They can provide their own educational program or send their children to private schools more amenable to their political views.
What the objecting parents want here is the right to go up and down the announced curriculum like a buffet table and design a separate curriculum to be taught to their children. This seems to me more than "a little inconvenient"; it diverts resources away from the vast majority of students in order to cater to a handful of cranks. The free exercise clause does not require that a special veto power over the content of public education be given to parents with religious objections.
If opting out of the public education system included no longer paying school taxes, you might have a point. The power to tax is the power to coerce.
Paying taxes is not optional, but parents choosing to educate their children in public schools is. Parents who object to curriculum are entitled to choose a private school more to their liking or to home school.
I am an atheist, but I despise people like you. Children matter, and you and your fellow travelers shouldn't get to indoctrinate kids.
You call it "indoctrinate." Others call it "educate."
Then you had a sad deficient government education. The primary reason for public schools in the 1800s was to indoctrinate all them heathen furriners in the American way, especially countering all them dirty papists who taught foreign things in foreign languages. You could look it up.
Even if your history weren't absurdly oversimplified, I looked up my calendar, and it's the 2000s, not the 1800s, now.
Grooming them on how to suck dick and use butt plugs before they hit puberty isn't "educating" in any non-degenerate context.
Further, all the "anti-bullying" (wolf in sheep's clothing as it's just gay grooming) is purely ideological and social engineering.
No. This is what grooming looks like.
https://images.app.goo.gl/TN75jfF1EtdR6EQE7
rloquitur, at the risk of casting pearls before swine, I would point out to you that my daughter attended some public schools, some private schools and finished her secondary education by home schooling. Somehow it never occurred to her mother or me to ask taxpayers to foot the bill for the private schools nor for the home schooling curriculum materials.
So what? You made your own choices. Many don't have the resources etc. to homeschool or send kids to private schools. I'd prefer that teachers teach not indoctrinate. Like I said, I am an atheist, but I see huge issues with age-inappropriate indoctrination or exposure.
I had an issue with my kid's public school regarding a hand-out in public school which said, "In Iran, the people choose their leaders." What a joke, and that message does have a political context (namely Biden trying to get Iranian nuke deal done). I get it that not everything is a constitutional case, but for fuck's sake, can't we get back to educating kids, not filling their heads with unadulterated bullshit.
This is the "it's just a service we all pay for!" model of unionized government employees.
Uhhh, which has nothing to do with anything, either pushing it or tearing at it, not no way, not no how, move along sir.
People without children pay taxes, as do people whose children are no longer of school age. For that matter, people pay taxes for public transportation they don't use, to support public parks they don't visit, and so on. I'd bet a substantial majority of tax revenue spent on education at any given time comes from people who don't then have children in public schools.
Representative democracy means we are stuck with the spending decisions of our elected officials, even when we don't like them. The idea that parents with religious objections should either be able to design their children's curriculum or be refunded that share of their taxes spent on education would create a bizarre carve-out from the general rule that the place to influence public sector spending decisions is the ballot box. I don't think the Free Exercise requires such a carve-out.
"Representative democracy means we are stuck with the spending decisions of our elected officials, even when we don't like them."
But the question here is just how representative these representatives really are, when they're pushing out this sort of content in K-12. Sometimes "representatives" are doing the people's will, but sometimes they're doing their own will contrary to the people's will, and just counting on the people not noticing, or having trouble organizing against them.
If the problem is that elected representatives (school board members, etc.) aren't sufficiently attuned to the actual priorities of their constituents, it seems to me the better solution is to devote more resources to school board elections. Relying on federal judges to expand the Free Exercise Clause into a general veto power over anything that might offend one religion or another isn't really a solution to the problem of unaccountable elected officials.
Well, since we've had federal expansion elsewhere, why can't we have it here.
"But of course parents have the right to opt out of the public education system altogether. They can provide their own educational program or send their children to private schools more amenable to their political views."
If students have a right to avoid being compelled to listen to the objectional material by opting out of public education, why doesn't the requirement to hear the objectionable material as a condition of receiving free public education for the rest of the curriculum violate the unconstitutional conditions doctrine?
Because it's not unconstitutional.
What's not unconstitutional?
It sounds like you agree that parents have the right to opt out of the gay propaganda as long as they opt out of the rest of the curriculum as well.
Could parents who object to kids saying the pledge be required to seek education elsewhere?
Being forced to say the pledge is unconstitutional.
Wow this is easy!
In my hypo, they're not being forced to say the pledge. They just have to go to private school, or homeschool.
I get that.
Exposing kids to ideas that their parents don't like.
That is unconstitutional, but if the parents want to exercise this right, they also have to forego the benefit of being exposed to other ideas.
It is not unconstitutional.
I reject the notion of parental human rights. Yes parents have a large amount of control over the upbringing of their children, but I reject the notion that anyone has a human right to control someone else. There is no such thing as a right to subjugate others, even if they are your children.
Probably the dumbest thing you've ever said here. And the competition is fierce.
So it's OK for government to subjugate all children, but not for parents to subjugate their own. What, you want parents to just hand over their children to the government at birth?
Capture of the educational process to raise the next generation to be more amenable to your
powerpolicies is ancient and proven to work.Just...try not to look like you're doing it. And fire idiots who say things like parents have no say in it. That's not helpful for the power mongers. That's in service to us, not your imagined hoity holier-than-parents self-puffery, lacky.
"Cut him down! Gimme a piece! Cut him down. He comes into my club and puts a gun to my head?"
"Whose club did you say it was?"
You're rejecting something the entire world has agreed upon.
https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights
Article 26:
3. Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their children.
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That puts you squarely on the wrong side of history.
The US never ratify that. I am also happy being on the side of individual rights.
But see the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (also not ratified by the US):
Article 13 - The child shall have the right to freedom of expression; this right shall include freedom to seek, receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds, regardless of frontiers, either orally, in writing or in print, in the form of art, or through any other media of the child's choice.
Also note that there is no "parental override" exception to Free Speech Clause.
And a constitutional right, too. But that right is the right to teach their own children what they want, not the right to keep other people from telling their kids things they don't want their kids to hear.
This case is about LGBTQetc. stuff, but there's no limiting principle to the plaintiffs' position. Other parents could claim that teaching their kids evolution, or a heliocentric solar system, or about the Armenian genocide, or that American Indians came across the land bridge from Asia 15,000 years ago rather than originating here, or the immoral works of Shakespeare, violated their supposed constitutional right to control what their kids were taught. Schools would have to have a bespoke curriculum for each student.
That's not what the constitution requires. If you don't want your children to hear things you disapprove of, you need to send your kids to private school or homeschool them.
The LGBTQP is stuff is "indoctrination" not "education".
And that's the problem. Government schools ideologically indoctrinating children against parents wishes and often in secret should be an affront to any thinking human.
Acknowledging the existence of LGBT is not indoctrination. And parents do not have the right to keep their children ignorant of reality.
It's not about "acknowledging the existence of", it's explicitly about normalizing them.
And there are plenty of things we don't feel obligated to tell small children about until they get older.
Society has an interest in its children not growing up ignorant or bigoted.
explicitly about normalizing
And there it is.
Tomayto, tomahto. There's no objective distinction; it's just whether you personally like it or not.
Where in the Constitution does it mention parental rights?
Parents have an (unenumerated) substantive due process right to direct the education and upbringing of their children. Washington v. Glucksberg, 521 U.S. 702, 720 (1997); Meyer v. Nebraska, 262 U.S. 390, 399-400 (1923); Pierce v. Society of Sisters, 268 U. S. 510, 534-535 (1925). Pierce in particular involved parents' rights to choose schools where their children will receive appropriate mental and religious training.
The compelling-interest test is available for the school district to defend itself against your parade of horribles.
The government interest in teaching about the solar system in science class is much greater than the government interest in teaching about gay pride parades in reading classes.
"That's not what the constitution requires. If you don't want your children to hear things you disapprove of, you need to send your kids to private school or homeschool them."
If my children have a right not to be compelled to listen to the government's theories about a heliocentric universe (or if I have that right), why should I have to give up the benefit of free education on other things in order to exercise that right?
Because schools aren't offered a la carte.
That's not true. Lots of things in school are optional.
And I wonder if it matters whether or not the school has other opt-out policies? If the school lets Muslim students opt-out of viewing pictures of Muhammed, should they be required to let kids opt out of this? If they let kids opt out of reading Huckleberry Finn, etc.
If my children have a right not to be compelled to listen to the government's theories about a heliocentric universe (or if I have that right)...
Neither you nor your children have that right.
The whole idea of government controlled education in the US is a bit questionable from a 1st amendment position, and the historical basis of why it was actually adopted is even worse on a practical level.
So it's hardly shocking that the arguments for religious based opt-outs would be applicable to secular reasons, too.
At this point you have to ask, even if parental rights are going to be rejected as a constitutional matter, (Improperly so from an originalist perspective!) is it really that defensible to reject them as a policy matter?
Brett, would you support a parent's right to object to their child being exposed to interracial relationships, even if it meant banning all books with interracial partners or mixed-race children from schools as the most convenient solution to the problem?
"The First Amendment does not shield public-school students from the mere exposure to ideas that conflict with their personal views, whether secular or religious."
This is one of those situations where the steady-state of the law allows abuse, which thereby undermines the basis of the law. That statement presupposes good faith on the part of the educators. But what happens when that good faith goes away? Similar issue--forced union contributions. What happens when the union abuses this power--the bargain (i.e., 1A rights for benefits of collective bargaining) goes away.
That statement presupposes good faith on the part of the educators. But what happens when that good faith goes away?
Then you elect a new school board.
Of course, that's not what's happening here. These educators are acting in good faith.
"The First Amendment does not shield public-school students from the mere exposure to ideas that conflict with their personal views, whether secular or religious."
Sure -- but subject to:
1) a right to not have any ideas or views *imposed* (which is different than being exposed to or educated about them)
2) a parental right to have schools at least *wait* until their child is old enough to understand what their family/faith believes about something, before the school gets to expose them to contrary perspectives
1) I don't know what "imposed" means in this context, and how it's different from the other words you cited; if it just means the students can't be forced to agree with any particular idea, okay.
2) That's a policy question, not a rights question, and essentially just restates the premise of the lawsuit. It would still require bespoke curricula for each student. Again, if you don't like it, (a) tell your school board; (b) if that doesn't get results, vote for a different school board; and/or (c) send your kid to private school or homeschool.
Cheerio, parents have the right to choose a school that agrees with their pedagogical viewpoints -- on their own nickel. That is what keeps private schools in business.
The First Amendment does not shield public-school students from the mere exposure to ideas that conflict with their personal views, whether secular or religious.
It is either incredibly naive or dishonest to believe this curriculum is about "exposure to ideas" and not indoctrination into a particular worldview that is openly hostile to traditional religion and morality. Concepts such as "drag queens" are introduced to children as young as three, with the explicit teaching that this is perfectly normal, and those that object are intolerant bigots. Oh, sure. the government argues, the three- to eleven-year-olds at issue here are "perfectly free" to reject that view (except when answering test questions, presumably), as if the minds of adolescents can readily compartmentalize conflicting teachings at school and home without any adverse consequences.
The effect (and purpose) is coercive, and everyone knows it. The coercion is a burden upon the parents' and students' Free Exercise rights, and, as such, the government should be required to demonstrate a compelling interest for burdening those rights, which it could scarcely do. The parents are not asking that the curriculum be changed for all students, but merely the minimal accommodation of an opt-out for their children, and I believe the First Amendment requires they receive it.
"Jews are not evil" and "Black people are human" are also worldviews openly hostile to traditional religion and morality. There's at least one commenter currently in this thread — and several more regulars on the VC (hard to be sure exactly how many because they change their handles regularly to evade blocks) — who would not want his children exposed to those ideas (if he weren't an incel with no children) and would characterize that as "indoctrination into a particular worldview."
I like how you start by talking about very young children and then immediately shift to adolescents. And have you ever met a child? Of course they can compartmentalize.
Everyone doesn't know it; I don't even know what you mean by "coercive." Coerced to do what? What's the mechanism of this coercion? I agree that if the students were forced to agree with particular ideas, that would be a different case, but that's not the facts.
Again, it's not "minimal" to let each parent pick and choose each topic their kid will be allowed to learn. There's — as I said above — no limiting principle that applies your argument only to LGBTQetc stuff. There are lots of wacky parents out there who wackily object to lots of different things.
Prof Volokh, I rarely consider myself qualified to disagree with you on 1A issues but in this case I think you are wrong on a starting premise and the brief goes downhill from there.
Contrary to the brief's claim, the current precedents are anything but "a stable framework". I would characterize them rather as a cobbled-together set of contradictory precedents in mutual tension with no underlying structural principle beyond "if everyone's miserable, the judgement must be right".
Yes, balancing individual rights against collective education is hard, maybe impossible. The proper "balance" should be that individual rights win. If that means public schooling becomes impractical, maybe it's time to declare the experiment over and return education to the private market. All the evils that public schooling was intended to address can be met instead (and arguably better) by public funding of education that follows the student.
You're begging the question. No problem with the idea that individual rights should win, but the point is that there are no individual rights at issue here. You simply don't have a right to have the government not tell your kids things you don't want them to hear.
If you don't see the individual rights at play here, wow, I don't even know where to start. That is some astonishingly willful ignorance there.
DN is a statist nitwit.
I guess Prof. Volokh is also ignorant, in your view, since I'm not saying anything different than he did. You do not have a constitutional right not to have your kids exposed to things you don't like or agree with.
Yoder makes clear that Free Exercise claims reach farther than Free Speech Claims. The Yoder plaintiffs did not have a Free Speech right to exempt their children from High School. They did have a Free Exercise right. That right survives Smith.
In Wisconsin v. Yoder, 406 U.S. 205 (1972), James Yoder, Wallace and Adin Yutzy were not seeking to dictate curriculum decisions to any public or private school.
Nobody’s “dictating curriculum decisions” in either case. Parents are simply asking for an opt-out for their specific children.
Also, Professor Volokh’s argument, one he’s often made, is that Free Speech and Free Exercise are equivalent. But Yoder makes it clear they are not. Sure the fact situations are not identical. But since they were not equivalent in Yoder, why should they be equivalent here? It seems to me you have to overrule Yoder to get to Professor Volokh’s position.
OK, professor, you convinced me.
If your child is being taught something you don't like in the public school, do what the people at Sullivan and Cromwell do - take your children out of public school and send them to Groton instead.
Don't waste time talking about the First Amendment, as if the school had published a textbook acknowledging the existence of God - which would be a violation of church and state separation.
But who could reasonably object if a public school simply gives storybooks to your children about how awesome it is to be gay? There's no religious content there,. And if the children are perceptive enough to notice that such books are implicitly saying their parents' religion is false, that's OK! There is no right for parents to bring up their children in homophobic religions like traditional Christianity, Judaism and Islam.
A parent who worked at Sullivan and Cromwell would never complain about gay-affirming material in their kids' storybooks, so they can't see why any other parent would object.
The issue is not whether someone could "reasonably object" to something from the public school curriculum. The issue is whether it violates their constitutional rights if their objection is rejected.
Many things might be deemed to be "implicitly" saying that their parents' religion is false. As I noted above, evolution. The age of the universe. Hell, integrated schools might be "implicitly" condemning some people's religious beliefs.
Many items in this parade of horribles could be dealt with by applying the compelling interest test, though of course "Pride Puppy" would flunk that test.
Jesus, being an only child, means that it's a sin to have more than one kid. Therefore, any books with siblings as characters, or aunts / uncles, is sacreligious. There's no compelling interest in exposing kids to the sick idea of brothers and sisters, who all just groom and do incest on each other as everybody knows including White Lotus.
According to the New Testament, Jesus was not an only child. His brothers and sisters are mentioned in Matthew 12:46-50, 13:55-56; Mark 3:31, 6:3; Luke 8:19; John 2:12, 7:3; Acts 1:14; 1 Cor. 9:5; and Paul speaks of a James the Lord's brother (Galatians 1:19).
Of the brothers of Jesus, there seem to have been four who are named in Matthew 13:55: James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas (see Mark 6:3). Matthew and Mark mention Jesus' sisters, but neither the number nor the names are given. From the language of the Nazarenes (Matthew 13:56, "His sisters, are they not all with us?"), there must have been at least two, probably more, and apparently married, and resident at Nazareth.
https://www.christianity.com/jesus/life-of-jesus/youth-and-baptism/how-many-brothers-and-sisters-did-jesus-have.html
I see, you're both simply impartial defenders of the Constitution, and the fact that your position aligns with your contempt for traditional religion is simply a coincidence.
Oh please. Everybody has contempt for traditional religion. Do you celebrate inquisitions, indulgences, jihads, stonings, and all the rest? Of course not. Nor should you celebrate homophobia, even when it arises in religious contexts.
Well, you've reassured me that you're a reliable interpreter of the 1st Amendment.
Funny how the libs flipped the f out over a moment of silence.
Here's the deal. In California, kids wearing the American flag to school were bullied and forced by the school to leave. Incidents like that tell me that schools are not to be trusted with "educating" our children. The people responsible for sending those kids home should have gone to prison for the rest of their miserable lives.
I am a strong advocate for children's rights.
When a children is prohibited from receiving information at home, there is no constitutional problem, because parents are not state actors. That's fine.
When a children is prohibited from receiving information due to the government implementing parents' command, the government violates the First Amendment rights of children. Any constitutional interest that a parent would have would be overridden by the stronger interest children have.
And to anyone who claims "indoctrination": whether something is indoctorinating must be decided by the children. The parents - as well as anyone else - are free to influence the decision the kids make through speech.
"John Rosemond's Bill of Rights For Children
"Because it is the most character-building, two-letter word in the English language, children have the right to hear their parents say “NO” at least three times a day....
"Because it is the most character-building activity a child can engage in, children have the right to share significantly in the doing of household chores....
"Children have the right to learn to be grateful for what they receive; therefore, they have the right to receive all of what they truly need and very little of what they simply want...."
https://www.physiciansforlife.org/bill-of-rights-for-children/