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Judge Wilkinson's Opinion is Worth a Close Look
Judge Wilkinson's plea for mutual respect between the Executive Branch and the Judiciary.
One problem, these days, is that there is so much "shit" that is "flooding the zone" - Steve Bannon's metaphor, I believe - that it is very difficult to know, from day to day, which amazing and unprecedented events matter, and which don't.
Judge J. Harvie Wilkinson's opinion for the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals in the Abrego Garcia case matters. Eugene has already excerpted much of the opinion here, and the full text is available here.
Though it was issued yesterday (!), it already feels like old news, superseded by Trump's attacks on Fed Chairman Jerome Powell, Senator van Hollen's visit to the El Salvador mega-prison where Abrego Garcia is being held, A U.S. threat to pull out of the negotiations to end the Ukraine war, etc. etc.
But I urge you, if you have not done so already, to spend a little of your time and attention on it. It is a very powerful piece of legal prose, and it might well represent an important moment in the legal history of the United States.
As most (or all) readers of the Volokh Conspiracy surely know, Judge Wilkinson is a true conservative icon, one of the most highly respected conservative jurists in the country for the past 40 years. It gives added resonance to his plea to the Executive Branch:
"The basic differences between the branches mandate a serious effort at mutual respect. The respect that courts must accord the Executive must be reciprocated by the Executive's respect for the courts. Too often today this has not been the case, as calls for impeachment of judges for decisions the Executive disfavors and exhortations to disregard court orders sadly illustrate.
Now the branches come too close to grinding irrevocably against one another in a conflict that promises to diminish both. This is a losing proposition all around. The Judiciary will lose much from the constant intimations of its illegitimacy, to which by dent of custom and detachment we can only sparingly reply. The Executive will lose much from a public perception of its lawlessness and all of its attendant contagions. The Executive may succeed for a time in weakening the courts, but over time history will script the tragic gap between what was and all that might have been, and law in time will sign its epitaph. It is, as we have noted, all too possible to see in this case an incipient crisis, but it may present an opportunity as well. We yet cling to the hope that it is not naïve to believe our good brethren in the Executive Branch perceive the rule of law as vital to the American ethos. This case presents their unique chance to vindicate that value and to summon the best that is within us while there is still time.
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Save your breath, Professor Post. Today David French reported how a good number of MAGA books and also podcasts are now devoted to deprogramming the rubes to reject feeling empathy. The innate human urge to sympathize is a blockade to power. Normally I would suggest we try to counterbalance it with positive reinforcement. But as you are painfully aware, the rubes here are already filled with abject hatred of nearly everyone. What I'm unsure of is whether the MAGA puppet masters deprogrammed them, or whether they were just that way to begin with
I agree with that passage 100%.
But it was the courts that went into immediate resistance mode with "unappealable" nationwide TRO's to immediately enjoin the administrations actions, even in cases where the clear legal standard for irreparable harm had not been met.
If the courts had started this war by keeping within its own bounds I would have a lot more sympathy for them, and less for the administration.
But they didn't. And if now they are in battle they can't win, or will be severely damaged even if they do, then its on them.
The corrective action is that the Supreme Court should rigorously police the overstepping of the district courts, because Wilkinson and the appeals courts are not, and at the same time bring the Administration within its own bounds.
“I agree with that passage 100%.”
Well, for one sentence at least !
No, I definitely endorse this part, which is more than one sentence:
"Now the branches come too close to grinding irrevocably against one another in a conflict that promises to diminish both. This is a losing proposition all around. The Judiciary will lose much from the constant intimations of its illegitimacy, to which by dent of custom and detachment we can only sparingly reply. The Executive will lose much from a public perception of its lawlessness and all of its attendant contagions. The Executive may succeed for a time in weakening the courts, but over time history will script the tragic gap between what was and all that might have been, and law in time will sign its epitaph."
I do agree more with the parts that Post didn't emphasize more than the ones he did.
And of course Post would assign 100% of the blame to Trump, Wilkinson doesn't go near that far although obviously his sympathy is with his fellow judges.
I meant your “100” agreement lasted for one sentence, followed up by several paragraphs blaming the courts.
It is possible to blame the courts while still respecting them.
I mean, dude said:
"I agree with that passage 100%.
But"
I don't disagree with a single word, but I think the conclusion needs work.
The courts are earning all the disrespect they're being shown. SCOTUS could help by using its contempt power on district court judges who arrogate to themselves the power voters gave the President.
That bolded part nails it. The close was overly dramatic, IMO. The rule of law will survive.
Mutual respect! so long as you agree with the progressive left.
The leftist courts respect the executive when theres a Dem president and don't respect it when there is a Repub president. See? It all balances out.
But I urge you, if you have not done so already, to spend a little of your time and attention on it.
Today is Good Friday, the most solemn, introspective, relevant day in the Catholic calendar of 1 B global citizens, and of the calendar of Christians 2.6 B globally of all walks of life. Yet here you are, just as you were in January, jerking like a crack addict sans pipe, with your left wing progressive darkness. Your ilk offers no redemption, no hope, no light whatsoever, and this from a retired old law prof dude. Your darkness takes up the oxygen in any room. Maybe you should take some time off and reflect a bit why your side has no converts, polling numbers have been tanking for years, and are literally biologically sterile (no offspring) contra evolutionary principles?
Your team is headed to extinction for a reason
Today is Good Friday, the most solemn, introspective, relevant day in the Catholic calendar of 1 B global citizens,
A day when, for centuries, people like you would make a point of persecuting Jews.
What? You are the anti-Christian bigot here, objecting to the celebration of Good Friday.
I don't object to the celebration, you semi-literate fuckwit. I object to the bigotry that occurred on that day and the psychology of those bigots that persists to the present day in the cult of which you are a part.
Bullshyte. My people persecuted Quakers and they did it year round. Although hanging Mary Dyer sorta upset a few folk.
I have long found it odd that Christians' celebration of the state sanctioned murder of an innocent man wrongly convicted of treason is labeled "Good" Friday.
as a MOTT I don't have reservation to the Upper Room, but I think "Good" refers to the bigger picture.
And in 2 days if he sees his shadow.....
See Jesus on Death Row: The Trial of Jesus and American Capital Punishment by Mark Osler.
The "innocent man" framing is presumably partially looking at it through the Christian's point of view.
It is unclear if Jesus was "innocent" under Roman law. If he, for instance, truly decided to stage a disturbance at the Jewish Temple and symbolic entry into Jerusalem (then crowded by Passover celebrants), there was evidence he was an insurrectionist.
Anyway, it is "Good" Friday because his actions are believed to have saved humanity.
The term "good" historically meant "holy."
Remember that it is called "Holy Week."
You deeply misunderstand the meaning of Easter if you think Christians celebrate the execution itself.
To begin with.
Pilate, in charge of a remote frontier outpost, didn't want to execute Him, handed him over to the recently-subdued hayseeds.
The hayseeds wanted Him dead because He challenged their obsession with form and process over substance and outcome (sound famliar to a lawyer audience?).
Wasn’t Saint Thimas More devoted to the same left-wing progressive darkness - rule of law and all that left wing progressive crap? Wasn’t he named the patron saint of crap by the pope?
It is going to take a while to get the image of Trump grinding out of my head.
I suppose the judge's metaphor didn't help.
“Judge Wilkinson is a true conservative icon, one of the most highly respected conservative jurists in the country for the past 40 years.”
None of that matters, conservatism is about fealty to the Mad King now. Cultists gonna cult.
No, Wilkinson is not a conservative. He makes his argument based on an analogy to forced racial school busing. That is, the anti-Trump judges must be obeyed for the same reasons that judge-ordered racial busing must be obeyed.
No, that is a terrible argument. I hope Trump contests these over-broad orders.
You mean Brown II?
Yes, Brown II. Maybe Wilkinson went to law school at a time when the Warren Court was held in great respect. The current Scotus is not going to issue rulings like that.
Not to mention that he upheld bans on "assault weapons" post-Bruen. Meaning that he's not even pretending to follow precedent, or the Constitution.
Pure, unadulterated bad faith.
https://cases.justia.com/federal/appellate-courts/ca4/21-1255/21-1255-2024-08-06.pdf?ts=1722972629
"No, Wilkinson is not a conservative. He makes his argument based on an analogy to forced racial school busing. That is, the anti-Trump judges must be obeyed for the same reasons that judge-ordered racial busing must be obeyed."
As is often the case, Roger S is full of shit. SCOTUS did not endorse busing students to achieve racial balance until 1971 in Chief Justice Burger's opinion in Swann v. Charlotte-Mecklenburg Board of Education, 402 U.S. 1 (1971). Judge Wilkinson's order praised President Eisenhower's response to Brown v. Board of Education II, 349 U.S. 294, 301 (1955), which involved desegregation but did not order busing.
He did not, but it's hardly surprising that an antisemite of dubious lineage is also against desegregation.
Convenient how someone immediately came along and proved Malika correct.
Isn't he the guy who compared gun control to abortion restrictions - and said courts should uphold both?
Is he?
"American constitutional law has undergone a transformation. Issues once left to the people have increasingly become the province of the courts. Subjects as diverse as abortion rights and firearms regulations, health care reform and counterterrorism efforts, not to mention a millennial presidential election, are more and more the domain of judges....
"The judicial modesty once practiced by Learned Hand, John Harlan, and Oliver Wendell Holmes has given way to competing schools of liberal and conservative activism" [etc.]
https://global.oup.com/academic/product/cosmic-constitutional-theory-9780199846016?q=j.%20harvie%20wilkinson%20iii&lang=en&cc=us#
"...Heller encourages Americans to do what conservative jurists warned for years they should not do: bypass the ballot and seek to press their political agenda in the courts."
https://virginialawreview.org/articles/guns-abortions-and-unraveling-rule-law/
Well then if gun rights can be ignored because the people vote for gun control then due process can be ignored if the people vote for a candidate that wants o deport everyone on day one.
Its not that he doesn't have a limiting principle though, if judges let the President impose filing control despite the clear text of the constitution then that's ok.
If Judges want to give due process beyond what the constitution requires to illegal aliens, such as super-jurisdiction, nationwide classes, and applying the APA arbitrary and capricious standard to everything them that's ok.
Really, for the system to work Judges first and foremost have to hew strictly to the law and their authority.
Claiming an obligation to obey all their rulings first, and worry about whether they actually had the authority a few years down the road would be a death knell to democracy.
I propose a better rule, no injunctions against the government until a ruling is final. It works for taxes, lets apply it to everything else.
They just decide whatever they don't like is arbitrary and capricious.
Well then if gun rights can be ignored because the people vote for gun control then due process can be ignored if the people vote for a candidate that wants o deport everyone on day one.
He, like Warren Burger, a conservative nominated by Richard Nixon, had a different view from the Heller majority on the reach of the Second Amendment. There still would be "gun rights" in various respects such as if a law said Muslims could not have a gun in violation of the First Amendment.
He does not deny there are constitutional rights that must be enforced even if a majority of the people disagrees with them. Due process of law is one such right.
The minority view in Heller is bad faith. There are no counter examples.
Not to mention that Burger was in the majority in Roe v. Wade, making him a non-conservative.
But gun rights are not?
You can't pick and choose like that, or if you can, I can too.
He's a leftist loon. I'm sure he would find in favor of gay sodomy if he had to rule on it today.
Mmmmmmm, sodomy ……
Ana Reyes didn't seem particularly respectful of the executive.
If judges don't stop trying to run the executive branch, they will have their power reduced.
That is the greater danger = Art 3 power reduced
Yep. By the exercising their authority they will reduce it. So don’t exercise it so they will retain it! Makes perfect sense.
Exactly. The People voted for Trump, and even the Biden Administration realized a substantial part of his support came from voters focused on stopping illegal immigration.
If the voters see their vote is insufficient to accomplish the “will of the people,” the voters will have few limited options:
1) Vote for a more authoritarian government that will implement the will of the voters;
2) Gut whatever the “resistance” to the voters will wield (e.g. strip Article III of jurisdiction for immigration);
3) Civil war.
None of those are particularly attractive.
One might suggest the Supreme Court severely limit District Court authority to issue national injunctions under Rule 65 and hold Habeas petitions cannot form the basis of a class action under Rule 23.
It might be nice if the Trump administration, of their own volition, decided to make the maximum genuine effort to get the guy back and afford him due process. Numerous Trump officials have said that even if the guy came back for some habeas or other hearing, there is no way that the dude if ever going to remain in the US after that. Then why not just do it and have no question that process was done and not circumvented? To those that might say that doing so is just a waste of time and money for the same result, that is what process takes. Process is valuable enough to be worth such trouble.
Agreed. Judge Wilkinson did in fact point to the specific regulation by which the executive could have modified the deportation order so as to allow Garcia to be sent back to El Salvador.
(assuming the evidence is in favor of modification, but we're assured by posters and by the administration that this is the case)
Nah. Trump is lawless, and *requires* lawlessness in all his subordinates.
Thomas and Alito dissented from the overnight order of the Court, so they must believe that more flights without process would have been lawful. Alito says he'll have a statement to follow. He'll need to square it with his being part of that 9-0 order from a handful of days ago.
I'm fine with process if the process is "Is this person a non-citizen?" If they get to make all sorts of BS arguments about persecution, hardship, and so on, then no.
Oh, and they should not be entitled to a taxpayer funded lawyer, and the hearings should only be in English. If these stupid muchachos only habla espanol, that's not our problem.
The issue is whether Congress has provided some basis to provide asylum. Not just whether someone is “illegal.” Has it?
99% of the asylum claims are false, and everyone knows it.
Due process: apply for a visa, come here legally.
Not due process: trespass, sneak in illegally, and dare the admin to deport you. Possibly getting taxpayer benefits.
The admin does not need a reason to deport illegal aliens. They are here illegally.
If a burglar trespasses into your home to steal your property, you don't negotiate, you kick them out. They can ask for permission from outside.
The Alien Enemies Act makes good political theater but its irrelevant. If you are here illegally. They. Dont. Need. A. Reason.
I have several h1b visa holders work for me. They have PhDs they came here legally. They go through the process, which is very arduous.
I'd be fine if we want to make it easier, but what we cannot have is an out of control immigration system, which is what the progressive left and judicial activists want. Came here illegally? Go home. Apply for a visa on the other side of the border the legal way. Don't abuse the system.
Trump will win this argument, because this is what people voted for. Judges who substitute their policy preferences are the ones diminishing the judiciary.
Undoubtedly, the open borders crowd will exploit the Garcia case. That's no reason to ignore the *real* issues.
There was a specification in his deportation order that he was not to be returned to El Salvador. This can be modified by due process. But it wasn't.
Is this a mere technicality? The withholding of return to El Salvador was based on a finding he'd be persecuted if he were sent back. If the finding was wrong or outdated, it could have been modified via due process, like I said. But these withholding restrictions are to carry out U. S. obligations under international law. So yes, there is a due process problem to send Garcia back to El Salvador without further hearings.
The problem is the law. The fact that someone may be persecuted if we send him back to his country of citizenship is not our problem.
The only due process rights an alien should have is that the government show that he is in fact, an alien.
"The problem is the law. The fact that someone may be persecuted if we send him back to his country of citizenship is not our problem."
Well, as you seem to agree, it's in the law. And should be, with the caveat that traffickers dealing in phony asylum claims should of course be prosecuted.
It's part of the laws, along with treaties, passed before America became overrun with illiterate, unassimilable third worlders.
They didn't or couldn't have seen how many hundreds of millions of people could claim "persecution" under those statutes.
Ultimately though, I don't care about the law anymore.
May the Lord spare the President from his supporters!
Nah, these are his people. Nuts for brains and unfettered fealty.
>Ultimately though, I don't care about the law anymore.
It clearly doesn't matter.
Just judge shop until you find a judge friendly to your policy objectives. Then boom, instant new nation wide policy, unappealable.
Trump will win this argument, because this is what people voted for.
dwb68 — This is not a policy argument. People cannot just vote due process out of the Constitution.
If what you advocate comes to pass, no right-wing policy will be any safer than Abrego Garcia, once a revenge-minded D president takes office, cloaked in criminal impunity.
I think you must be smart enough to understand that already. Which means that to persist as you do you must hope to see force applied to prevent political rivals from ever again coming to power.
Willingness of some Americans to believe and act on that basis is why this nation is teetering on the edge of a collapse into totalitarianism.
Obama and Biden represented the revenge-minded D Presidents, with their years of lawfare against conservatives and their groups.
The fact that Abrego Garcia is both stupid and brown is enough reason to remove him from America.
MAGA inevitably devolves into racism and/or misogyny and/or antisemitism. Here we are.
Back in the 1800s and until the mid 1900s, Americans overwhelmingly agreed that "America" and "white" were inextricably linked.
The propositional nation theory is what's radical, not a healthy dose of racial realism.
You’re making my case for me.
If you're here illegally, you think there's a Constitutional protection to stay until some committee affirms you're here illegally?
That doesn't make any sense.
If I steal a car, I have due process rights. They can’t just ship me off to a prison and say I’m a criminal. Yes, even illegal immigrants must be afforded due process.
Due process: Prove you are here legally, or go home. That's all. Not complicated.
Sure, people might vote for different policies at the next election. That's why we have them.
Yes, in D.C. what goes around comes around. But, massive resistance to deporting gang members to El Salvador and Venezuela is the short path to proving Trump is right.
dwb68 — Proving Trump is right has nothing to do with law, except apparently, for you.
Want to try again? What happens when your own advocacy manifests as a weapon wielded by a Trump-stye Democratic Party President?
You will get: sweeping gun confiscations; deportation to El Salvador for pro-Israel advocacy; roundups of right-wing Cubans in Miami; mandatory public school attendance; withdrawal of tax exempt status for any religious organization which utters a syllable of political advocacy; short deadlines to get internal combustion cars off the road; private corporate jets get outlawed by decree; single payer medical care phased in over 3 years, with corporate health insurance payments seized to pay for it; an end to tax exemptions for contributions to right-wing think tanks, and full disclosure requirements for donations.
That barely scratches the surface. Trump's ever-expanding list of outrages is already longer. There really is no end to the things you can think to do when you govern by decree, enjoy criminal impunity, and remain at liberty to threaten the lives of anyone who gets in your way.
Why not think that over?
"The Alien Enemies Act makes good political theater but its irrelevant. "
It's not irrelevant because it's Trump trying to turn your original "apply for a visa and then come" on its head as well. Trump is using the AEA to kick legal immigrants (both visa holders and permanent residents) out of the country.
There's already over a million people in the country with deportation orders (presumably most of them without parallel orders not to send them back home) and millions of others in the country who unambiguously entered without any sort of authorization. Why doesn't Trump focus on deporting them instead of testing a bunch of edge cases and revoking the legal status of people who did follow the rules to enter the country? He'd see a lot less resistance from the courts and might actually be able to deport as many people as Obama or even Biden in the process.
One unfortunate outcome will be a large increase in collateral arrests of illegal aliens, the bystanders. Can't deport illegal alien gangbangers? No problem, when ICE does get their hands on the gangbangers, any illegal alien around them is at risk for detention and deportation as well.
If the law enables ICE to deport them, then so be it. But ICE can’t just nab people off the streets and ship them off with no hearing, right to review the evidence against them and respond, etc etc.
If they have not registered, they're toast. Pretty quick process.
These people aren't here illegally! That's precisely why Trump is using the AEA! To get rid of people he doesn't have any basis to deport!
Waiting for Don Nico to show up, to label Judge Wilkinson's opinion, "Hysteria."
The opinion is short and readable.
A reference to Brown v. Board on that front is perhaps appropriate. The opinion should be fully printed in newspapers and so forth for widespread distribution.
Also, last night's (early morning) SCOTUS order is perhaps partially influenced by the same sentiments.
https://substack.com/inbox/post/161568397
What's a newspaper? What's print?
It's a decentralized communications medium. It remains more difficult to censor than the internet. It features barriers to entry so low that it defies attempts to centralize it under government control. And it empowers news gathering to an extent no other medium has ever matched, especially news gathering about government abuses. In those 4 ways, newspapers are a wiser choice for national public reliance than today's platforms oligopoly.
Best of all, newspaper success thrives on truth. That is a bias built into the newspaper publishing model, just as a bias for lies is built into the internet's publishing model.
The difference lies in a distinction to curate a general audience, and hold its attention over time. That delivers results better than a model to pick off suckers one-by-one, and to begin each day anew with a collection of targets made stupider than the day before.
Thus, during centuries of newspaper publishing, ceremonial ring kissing at the seat of a would-be tyrant was never inflicted on newspaper publishers. It took the internet only 30 years of predictable evolutions to make it happen.
On the downside, newspaper publishing costs more, like better quality generally does.
I'm glad you at least broke your wall of text into paragraphs in your solemn response to my joke.
"ceremonial ring kissing at the seat of a would-be tyrant was never inflicted on newspaper publishers"
You're into historical research, so before making generalizations like that, study the history of newspaper publishing in the U. S. You'll find many publishers and editors embedded in the political establishment, at some points to the extent of getting cabinet posts. One smalltown newspaper publisher ended up as President of the U. S. - is Warren G. Harding your beau ideal of a statesman?
And for every publisher or editor who rose into the higher ranks of politics there were numerous ring-kissers attaching themselves to particular political factions in expectation of political influence and printing contracts.
And for some publishers, reprinting other newspapers' lies was the only re-lie-ability they had.
Margrave — Taken as a whole, your reply reinforces my comment more than it undermines it. What you describe shows rivalry, response to happenstance, and general lack of pattern, except for a continuing thread of engagement in public interest. That is all to the good.
What does stand out in your remark is an overall tone of grievance against newspaper publishing. That tone is common among Americans who continue enthralled by an internet publishing system demonstrably organized and leagued against the political interests of its own audiences. Except to repeat the stupider-by-the-day observation above, it is not obvious how to account for that tendency among dis-served internet fans.
Again with the straw-manning, Lathrop? Add a dollop of mind-reading. Unlike the Scarecrow in The Wizard of Oz, your straw man will never have a brain.
I guess you seem to confirm your own criticisms of the Internet by publishing such unfounded claims about my position. If only you'd written that in a letter to the editor in a traditional newspaper, they would have weeded your comment out! (/sarc)
To be clear, I rejected the idea of the newspaper industry being better and more awesome than that awful Internet. Discerning readers have *always* had quite a lot of BS to go through in discovering the truth from the media, whether print or electronic media.
The slippery slope toward blather, demonstrated.
That happens again and again among internet utopians. It is a price their own advocacy inflicts on them.
Don't be an internet utopian.
What are jabbering about this time?
If by "internet utopian" you mean someone who thinks too highly of the Internet, you're simply straw-manning again.
I just finished mentioning all the BS on the Internet. My crime, in your mind, was saying there is/was a lot of BS in print news, too.
You say I'm on the slippery slope toward blather. You, on the other hand, have long ago reached the bottom of that slope.