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Lee Kovarsky on the Venue Issue in the Alien Enemies Act Case
A leading expert on habeas corpus explains why the Trump Administration is wrong to claim the case must be heard in Texas, rather than Washington, DC.
In my recent post on the DC Circuit's decision upholding a temporary restraining order blocking deportations under the Alien Enemies Act, I explained why the DC Circuit majority is right on the merits. See also my other writings on the subject, such as those here, here, and here. But I could not address Judge Walker's dissent arguing that the case should have been heard in a different venue (in Texas, where the five named Venezuelan immigrant plaintiffs are now being detained, rather than in DC). I lack expertise on that technical issue. Now the Trump Administration has made this issue the central focus of their attempt to persuade the Supreme Court to intervene to vacate the TRO.
Professor Lee Kovarsky (University of Texas School of Law) is one of the nation's leading experts on habeas corpus and associated jurisdictional issues. He has generously agreed to write a guest post for us on this issue. The rest of this post is his explanation of why the Trump Administration's position on venue is badly wrong. The material that follows is all by Prof. Kovarsky, not me (Ilya Somin):
JGG v. Trump is shaping up as a generationally important case. It features pretextually activated war powers, rendition of civilians to foreign sites of potential torture, and extreme noncompliance with judicial orders. But in the early stages of litigation, the case centers on an obscure habeas corpus question. Since I co-author the case book they use to teach habeas courses in most law schools, I want to address DOJ's (very bad) argument that JGG is a habeas case that can proceed only in Texas.
Start with some background. On March 15, 2025, President Trump invoked authority under the 1798 Alien Enemies Act ("AEA")—thereby unlocking emergency powers to remove alleged members of Tren de Aragua ("TdA"), a designated foreign terrorist organization based in Venezuela. The AEA requires that the United States be at war with, invaded by, or subject to the predatory incursion of a foreign government. For that reason, President Trump's proclamation asserted that TdA was an alter ego of the Venezuelan government, and that its transnational criminality was both an "invasion" and a "predatory incursion." The legality of the proclamation is dubious, but its legality vel non is not the subject of this post.
Five Venezuelan nationals who were already in removal proceedings got wind of the administration's plan to expel them, and they sued in a D.C. federal district court. Insisting that they were not TdA members, they asserted various grounds for relief, including claims under the Administrative Procedure Act ("APA"). After issuing a temporary restraining order ("TRO") for the individually named Plaintiffs, the district court provisionally certified a class of all similarly situated noncitizens and issued a second TRO to protect them during the pendency of the litigation. The TROs are in effect until April 12, while the district court considers a motion for preliminary injunction. Before the district court, and in passing, DOJ argued that habeas was the exclusive remedy for the Plaintiff's grievances. And if habeas is the exclusive remedy, the argument goes, then the Plaintiffs had to litigate in Texas—which contains the detention center holding the Plaintiffs. DOJ lost appellate arguments on the TRO, but Judge Walker's dissent adopted the habeas-exclusivity argument. DOJ then made Judge Walker's position into its leading argument to the Supreme Court, where a request to stay the lower court relief remains pending.
Judge Walker and DOJ misunderstand habeas exclusivity, quite profoundly.
There is some doctrine making habeas the exclusive vehicle for certain remedies against certain custodians, but it doesn't apply in the JGG scenario. During the 1960s and 1970s, people serving state criminal sentences got creative with 42 USC § 1983, seeking relief that implied that their sentences were unlawful or otherwise required reduction. The problem was that, while habeas remedies for criminal convictions were subject to carefully tailored restrictions, § 1983 remedies weren't. In this context and in this context only, the Supreme Court told a subset of these § 1983 claimants to knock it off, and to stick to habeas as a means of challenging the lawfulness of criminal sentences. The "Preiser line" of cases specifying permissible § 1983 litigation in this context include: Preiser v. Rodriguez (1973), Wolf v. McDonnell (1974), Heck v. Humphrey (1994), Edwards v. Balisok (1997), Muhammed v. Close (2004), Wilkinson v. Dotson (2005), and Skinner v. Switzer (2011). All these cases involve the administration of state criminal sentences, and not one has anything to do with immigration detention—let alone removal or rendition to a foreign detention site.
The arguments that Judge Walker and DOJ make derive from the Preiser line, whether the line is cited directly or operates as precedent for the lower-court cases that are mentioned. The line's basic logic is that a challenge to a criminal sentence is a "core" habeas challenge, and any order that would directly invalidate or reduce a sentence is "core" relief. If either (1) the challenge or (2) the relief wasn't "core," then § 1983 remedies were available. Hence Dotson: "Section 1983 remains available for procedural challenges where success in the action would not necessarily spell immediate or speedier release for the prisoner."
The JGG claims aren't "core" in any sense. The Plaintiffs aren't challenging state criminal sentences, or even their removability generally. In fact, they're not even seeking release. All the TROs and injunction seek is a bar on transfer under the AEA. The form of relief the plaintiffs seek isn't just "outside the core;" it's on the other side of the universe.
On whether this type of relief is "core," I'll cede the floor to Justice Alito. Here's his majority opinion in DHS v. Thuraissigiam (2020), on whether the Suspension Clause permitted Congress to strip habeas power over expedited removal procedure: "Rejecting th[e] use of habeas [to bar transfers to foreign sovereigns], we noted that habeas is at its core a remedy for unlawful executive detention and that what these individuals wanted was not simple release but an order requiring them to be brought to this country. Claims so far outside the core of habeas may not be pursued through habeas." I'll also borrow from Chief Justice Roberts, writing for the Court in Munaf v. Geren (2008): "[H]abeas is not appropriate [when claimants seek to preclude transfer to another sovereign so that they may face criminal charges]. Habeas is at its core a remedy for unlawful executive detention. The typical remedy for such detention is, of course, release. But here the last thing petitioners want is simple release … ." Thuraissigiam and Munaf don't mean that habeas claimants can never stop transfer orders, but those decisions extinguish DOJ's argument that such remedies are "core" habeas relief.
The whole idea—that an order precluding foreign-prison rendition sits at some historical "core" of Anglo-American habeas tradition—is risible. The United States didn't even begin to exclude and deport noncitizens until the very end of the nineteenth century. Even then it sent the Chinese people it excluded back to China, and not to a prison in some other country.
DOJ makes a related-but-distinct exclusivity argument tracing to a D.C. Circuit case: LoBue v. Christopher (1996). I cannot understand why DOJ is emphasizing LoBue, which cuts in favor of the Plaintiffs. In LoBue, the prisoner sought a declaratory judgment that extradition was unlawful—state action for which, LoBue itself highlights, the APA didn't permit suit against the named defendants. LoBue quite explicitly distinguished declaratory judgment challenges to extradition, which had to go through habeas, from APA challenges to immigration removal, which didn't. In so doing, it flagged the two Supreme Court cases that had blessed the use of the APA to challenge removal orders: Shaughnessy v. Pedreiro (1955) (deportation) and Brownell v. We Shung (1956) (exclusion). DOJ's reliance on LoBue is nothing short of bizarre.
I'll note two other weaknesses in DOJ's habeas-exclusivity argument. First, the exclusivity holdings assume generally that non-habeas remedies can be displaced because habeas will adequately test the detention at issue. In this case, however, DOJ is arguing that the administration can remove the Plaintiffs the second the injunction lapses, and it will thereafter argue (I assume) that the Plaintiffs are beyond the scope of habeas power. The Venezuelan nationals would be shipped to a Salvadoran "mega prison," and DOJ will presumably argue that habeas power doesn't reach a foreign custodian that holds foreign nationals. I'm not sure that argument is correct because the United States seems to retain some control over the custody by way of contract with the facility, but the argument certainly cannibalizes the habeas exclusivity argument that DOJ is making right now.
Second, DOJ's argument for habeas exclusivity builds from the premise that, because the Plaintiffs are in Texas facility, a habeas case couldn't proceed in D.C. But that's not clear at all. The leading case on the question, Rumsfeld v. Padilla (2004), suggests otherwise. Padilla held that the "immediate custodian rule … does not apply when a habeas petitioner challenges something other than his present physical confinement." Separately, and even in cases that challenge "present physical confinement," Padilla indicated that the immediate custodian rule might lapse if "there was any attempt to manipulate behind [the prisoner's] transfer," or if the Government "attempted to hide from [the prisoner's] lawyer where it had taken him." And if the immediate custodian rule is inapplicable, then Kristi Noem could be named as a respondent in a D.C. lawsuit seeking habeas relief and there is no forum-selection issue.
All of this is to say that I do not think highly of DOJ's habeas arguments or of Judge Walker's dissent. They are invoking a rule of habeas exclusivity that the Supreme Court has never entertained—even remotely—and they are relying on D.C. Circuit precedent that supports the Plaintiffs.
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Funny how Somin can always find leading experts who are Trump-haters.
If DC was the venue favoring Trump he'd have a 10 page essay why the case should be in Texas.
When leading experts on a topic all disagree with you, that's usually a sign that you're wrong, not that they hate you.
The 'leading experts' used to believe the plates were fixed and in the luminiferous aether.
Yeah, this is a fair thing to keep in mind - experts are wrong a decent amount of the time.
But if you're betting on the correctness of an expert or some angry internet guy, the smart money is on the internet guy.
AND in areas where you're talking not about natural science but about human made systems, the odds that human experts in that system know the deal goes up.
Wrong as usual, there are different types of 'human made systems '. There's stuff like circuit boards and then there's stuff like warfare politics etc which while also technically human made are more complex and susceptible to ideology getting in the way. Part of the reason humanities and the soft sciences have fallen in prestige much more than their hard counterparts is their so called experts constantly and demonstrably losing the plot even in the relatively less partisan parts of the job like trash pickup and election predictions.
Warfare isn't a system. Neither is politics. I was talking about the law, and you revectored to...nonsense.
Roger S has had most of his life to get used to most experts disagreeing with him on most things. As Trump has said “ I love the poorly educated."
Roger's an ideologue, a bigot, and a kook, but he's pretty much the opposite of poorly educated.
As far as I know, Prof. Somin takes the view that it is illegitimate for a state to regulate immigration (that is, to do what every state in the world does). The conclusion, therefore, is that any deportation is wrongful. The lawyer's job is simply to find legal materials to support that conclusion depending upon the circumstances of a particular case.
The aliens in detention are removable on multiple grounds. You don't have to be a criminal or gang member. Those that have not already been removed will eventually be removed. And nothing in the INA requires they be removed to a particular country; to the contrary, it expressly provides that any country that is convenient works.
Yes, because Somin believes there is no constitutional authority to regulate immigration, everything he argues about immigration statute meaning is in bad faith. Because he doesn't believe they have any legitimate authority, he cannot interpret them fairly.
Of course, his philosophical preferences about a nation state's ability to regulate immigration are irrelevant to the constitutionality of immigration laws in the United States.
This post by Somin is an essay by someone else, ya goof.
None of this has anything to do with the case, which is not a dispute about removability under the INA; it's about removability under the AEA. This is all a non-sequiter.
Welcome to the Reason era Volokh comment threads, professor.
Not sure if you were aware yet, but this article made it into the ACLU's brief to the US Sup Ct.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/24/24A931/354494/20250401111703480_2025.04.01%20AEA%20Stay%20Opp%20FINAL%20Opp.%20only%20pdfA.pdf
End of page 17 going into 18.
Actually, that's really easy, so not at all surprising.
Roger S, what, if anything, do you claim that Professor Kovarsky gets wrong here?
I did not vote for "judge" blowsberg. Or his "wife".
"Ella" is not a "person."
For the record, as far as I can tell this whole mess got started because (federal) courts are willing to hear habeas cases from detainees who are being detained due to an order or judgment from another court.
There is a world where federal habeas proceedings go like this:
- Court: Why are you detaining the plaintiff.
- Warden: Because he's been convicted of a crime.
- Court: OK, as you were.
Note that the plaintiffs in this case are not being held based on any kind of court order, judgment, or even arrest warrant.
You left off the court asking if the person being detained is in its jurisdiction. That the real world of federal district court habeas relief. Because we have district courts with geographic jurisdiction.
For example, one might want to closely scrutinize Ex Parte Merriman to understand why Chief Justice Taney had jurisdiction and precisely what it was.
P.S. It's again worth noting that immigration proceedings are Article II affairs, so it's not surprising there will not be any "court order, judgment, or even arrest warrant", which are interactions with Article III courts. Congress's limitation of federal court jurisdiction over immigration cases is rather deliberate.
The district court in DC has personal jurisdiction over the named defendants, including Kristi Noem, the head of DHS. You are referring, I think, to the "immediate custodian" rule, which doesn't apply to an APA case and doesn't even apply to habeas cases where relief sought is something besides discharge.
Here, let me quote Somin's subtitle for this blog post:
"A leading expert on habeas corpus explains why the Trump Administration is wrong to claim the case must be heard in Texas, rather than Washington, DC."
Gee, I wonder why I'm talking about a court's jurisdiction over a habeas petition? Yes, I know there are also APA questions. But one cannot, or should not, be bootstrapping a second issue to fudge the jurisdiction. The plaintiff's can sue the secretary in Texas or Louisiana just as easily as they can in DC.
Um I wrote the post.
I guess there's a reason they don't call you MaddogLawyer.
But you don't address at all why a presidential proclamation invoking the AEA is reviewable under the APA, which seems to be the core of the DOJ's argument.
Even if its not completely apparent the President is not an agency, the first section of the APA states plainly:
5 U.S. Code § 553 - Rule making
"(a)This section applies, according to the provisions thereof, except to the extent that there is involved—
(1)a military or foreign affairs function of the United States; or"
You don't have to read much further to come to the conclusion that the APA can't possibly be requiring the President to provide notice and opportunity to the public to participate before issuing executive orders:
"(c)After notice required by this section, the agency shall give interested persons an opportunity to participate in the rule making through submission of written data, views, or arguments with or without opportunity for oral presentation."
It’s the arbitrary and capricious part, not rule-making.
The arbitrary and capricious part only applies to things covered by "this section", not to the entire world, although I've seen a couple of foul calls in the Houston -Tennessee game that I'd consider arbitrary and capricious.
But if that's not good enough for you:
"In addition, the Supreme Court has held that the President is exempt from the APA's requirements. Agency actions include both rulemakings and adjudications—such as the award or denial of a license, sanction, or other form of relief—as well as an agency's failure to act."
https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/LSB/LSB10558
Trump is one of many defendants in the suit. Noem, ICE, Rubio, etc., are also.
Kazinski, the Plaintiffs' sixth claim for relief, regarding violation of the Administrative Procedure Act, 5 U.S.C. § 706(2)(A), is asserted against all Defendants except Trump. https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.278436/gov.uscourts.dcd.278436.1.0_3.pdf pp. 18-19.
As I have said time and again in these comment threads, there is no substitute for original source materials.
And what rulemaking did the other defendants engage in?
If the President tells them, write regulations on rounding up, identifying TdA, and deporting them then you are right, the APA applies to their rule making.
If the President says take everyone you have in detention and have identified as TdA, and put them on a plane and take them to El Salvador tonight, is not a rule or regulation.
As Justice Jackson said in Youngstown:
"1. When the President acts pursuant to an express or implied authorization of Congress, his authority is at its maximum, for it includes all that he possesses in his own right plus all that Congress can delegate."
And
"We should not use this occasion to circumscribe, much less to contract, the lawful role of the President as Commander in Chief. I should indulge the widest latitude of interpretation to sustain his exclusive function to command the instruments of national force, at least when turned against the outside world for the security of our society."
You should also read the Law Review Article I posted below.
Not doing a rulemaking is not the One Weird Trick to get around the APA.
Rather the opposite.
No, because the APA allows the courts to
"(1)compel agency action unlawfully withheld or unreasonably delayed; and
(2)hold unlawful and set aside agency action, findings, and conclusions found to be—"
The problem is the President's actions, or inactions, are not by law an agency action subject to review under the APA.
Unless Trump himself is detaining these folks, he's acting through agencies. And the agencies must act according to the APA.
In the EO at issue here:
"Sec. 2. I direct the Attorney General.."
"Sec. 4. Pursuant to the Alien Enemies Act, the Attorney General and the Secretary of Homeland Security shall..."
"Sec. 5. All executive departments and agencies..."
etc. etc.
Yes, they are following the President's orders, they are not promulgating rules subject to the APA.
Not to mention that the APA doesn't apply to rules pertaining to:
"(1)a military or foreign affairs function of the United States; or"
This is generally how it works:
"Similarly, when President Barack Obama issued a written directive to the Department of Labor (DOL) ordering it to “modernize and streamline” rules governing overtime pay, litigants did not challenge Obama’s instruction itself.11 Instead, they waited for DOL to issue a final rule on the subject. They then challenged DOL’s rule, not the President’s written directive."
Here's a law review article on the subject.
https://lawreview.uchicago.edu/print-archive/reviewing-presidential-orders
"Not so in the Trump era. Trump’s adversaries have filed a multitude of lawsuits directly against the President, challenging a wide range of presidential orders almost immediately after the orders were made public...."
"This Article identifies the novelty of this new form of litigation. It also demonstrates just how far these lawsuits fall outside of the well-developed and extensively theorized legal framework that governs challenges to agency action. A partial explanation lies in the Administrative Procedure Act17 (APA), a statute that has provided the scaffolding for more than seventy years’ worth of judicial and scholarly discussion about judicial review of agency action. In 1992, the Supreme Court concluded that the APA reaches only agencies, not the president.18 As a result, the APA simply does not apply to claims brought against the president, including claims that directly challenge the legality of a presidential order."
The President’s order included instructing agencies to enact regulations and the plaintiffs are challenging the agencies, as not guilty pointed out an hour ago in direct reply to you.
It's not issuing a final rule that triggers an APA claim; it's final agency action, whatever form that action takes. That's what the plaintiffs here are doing.
Why do you think your five minutes of googling are an adequate substitute for Prof. Kovarsky's expertise, or even for reading the actual pleadings?
No, I don't think sections 3-5 of the proclamation constitute "final agency action".
They are direct orders by the President to his subordinates.
"Sec. 3. I direct that all Alien Enemies described in section 1 of this proclamation are subject to immediate apprehension, detention, and removal, and further that they shall not be permitted residence in the United States.
Sec. 4. Pursuant to the Alien Enemies Act, the Attorney General and the Secretary of Homeland Security shall, consistent with applicable law, apprehend, restrain, secure, and remove every Alien Enemy described in section 1 of this proclamation. The Secretary of Homeland Security retains discretion to apprehend and remove any Alien Enemy under any separate authority.
Sec. 5. All executive departments and agencies (agencies) shall collaborate with law enforcement officials of the United States and with appropriate State, local, and tribal officials, to use all lawful means to apprehend, restrain, secure, and remove Alien Enemies described in section 1 of this proclamation."
Sections 2 and 6, would constitute agency action.
I see it in different terms. The plaintiffs and decision makers were in DC, thus DC was a valid venue choice.
No little Trump hater the "plaintiffs" (really habeas petitioners in the wrong venue) were in Texas. Now the TdA animals are in El Salvador.
If I may, the whole point is that their presence in Texas isn't dispositive since habeas doesn't displace APA remedies, and Texas wouldn't be the exclusive venue anyways.
The DOJ says plainly in its petition to the Supreme Court that the petitioners can invoke habeas to contest whether they are subject to the president's proclamation under the AEA:
Over 14
Aliens
Members of TdA
If they successfully rebut those allegations then they can not be deported using the AEA, however more traditional deportation procedures are still available.
“since habeas doesn't displace APA remedies”
No, the APA itself displaces APA remedies because the President is not an agency that is covered by the APA.
Do you ever Google your legal conclusions to see if anyone else has discussed them?
Well you could see the link above I put where the CRS says the President is not subject to the APA, or the Chicago Law review article I linked to stating that the President isn't subject to the APA, so some completely different legal rationale will have to be developed to constrain the President.
Or even the DOJs petition to the Supreme Court discussed in Friday's open thread which explained why the APA was inapt.
Maybe you shouldn't rely on the government's briefs as adequate justification for the government's actions? Just a suggestion.
You've had multiple partitioners, and the author of the OP, explain why your reasoning is missing vital legal issues.
None of them have any purchase. You just deflect, and then later repeat the same argument over again.
Can you point me to where Kovarsky refutes my APA argument?
He himself says:
"I confined myself to the venue question and the silly argument DOJ is making."
His expertise is habeas, and there is nothing wrong with confining oneself to ones area of expertise, that is when you are an expert in something. Those of us in the comments threads are experts in nothing, so that doesn't constrain us.
If I may (based on the President's S.Ct. petition), the existence of a habeas remedy to challenge the alien-enemy determination forecloses any broader APA claims. APA review is available only for final agency action “for which there is no other adequate remedy in a court.” 5 U.S.C. 704. Habeas is an “adequate remedy” and therefore displaces APA review.
How do we know the deportees were members of TdA? Until they get thechance to make their case to a neutral arbiter, we will never know. Hence the litigation.
I don't think you are responding to me, but to be clear, there are a number of legal objections including the legality of the proclamation, whether it covers Plaintiffs, and whether they were given sufficient process. I confined myself to the venue question and the silly argument DOJ is making.
True. I meant defendants.
Leading!
Many words posted without actually addressing the original question of jurisdiction. Just to avoid having to argue in Louisiana or Texas. All grounded in the implicit assumption that it makes perfect sense that courts at the seat of government should have jurisdiction because this is a presidentially directed action and it's easier.
Not at all surprised to see the Gitmo/enemy combatant cases referenced, since they also distorted the law to achieve a desirable outcome. I've been posting here and elsewhere that those cases would eventually be favorably referenced, to overcome the jurisdiction problem.
(There probably are good reasons to deny the administration authority to use the AEA here. I just wish those so arguing would stop trying to take short cuts gaming the system.)
I don't understand what you are saying. The entire post is about jurisdiction.
With the expert arguing that it doesn't matter, because reasons, that the plaintiff is not actually within its jurisdiction yet it still has authority to hear the habeas petition.
I am the expert. I still don't understand what you are saying. "Because reasons" doesn't make it clear to me.
Huh? Jurisdiction is literally the only issue that Prof Kovarsky addresses.
Many words.
I'll take other leading experts who are informing the DOJ over always wrong, irrational Trump hater, and criminal-immigrant lover Illlllllllya.
The court got this one wrong. They do not even have jurisdiction.
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This post by Somin is an essay by someone else, ya goof.
Well, whatever. While I'm sure career prosecutors at DOJ know nothing about habeas cases, certainly not compared to this academic "leading expert". The DOJ's argument and understanding was so "profoundly bad" that, of the three circuit judges on the panel, one bought it, and another just ignored the issue altogether.
Here's what someone who is not a "leading expert" on habeas sees. Individuals claim they are illegally detained under an unconstitutional act. What is their legal recourse? It really, really sounds like a habeas case, and habeas cases are filed in the district in which one is detained. But leading expert says it isn't a habeas case. I guess we'll see what the Supreme Court says.
Per Prof. Kovarsky:
Not even seeking release, yet making a habeas petition.
At some point, when you try stretching the law too far, it will shatter.
I am not arguing against a habeas petition being an appropriate means to prevent such a transfer. I am arguing against continuing to pursue a habeas petition in a court which lost jurisdiction to hear it. Refile in Texas or Louisiana, having received the relief of a TRO to allow that to happen. The initial uncertainty of these plaintiffs' jurisdiction has passed.
But Prof. Kovarsky is.
Which is why, one imagines, they stopped pursuing it.
JFC, did you miss the part where they dismissed the habeas claim? I'm not sure how you could; Blackman ranted about it in his "keep away" post.
"Here's what someone who is not a "leading expert" on habeas sees. Individuals claim they are illegally detained under an unconstitutional act."
No. That is not their claim. They claim they cannot be transferred under the AEA.
I should have said "core habeas case". I often use shorthand, forgetting this board is full of pedants (with one undisputed king) and idiots. (I am not suggesting you are either.) My bad.
Frankly, the quality of the commentariat has declined precipitously, approaching the level of a "Drumpf is bad!" sub-Reddit. There used to quite a few intelligent left-wingers here, but I only seem to attract the retards (again, not you). Oh, well, so it goes.
"Here's what someone who is not a 'leading expert' on habeas sees. Individuals claim they are illegally detained under an unconstitutional act."
F. D. Wolf, the Plaintiffs' complaint is here: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.278436/gov.uscourts.dcd.278436.1.0_3.pdf
Please specify which paragraph(s) support your contention that the Plaintiffs allege that any Act of Congress is unconstitutional.
I hate to say it. But if this is the best argument for DC jurisdiction the detainees’ lawyers may as well start rounding up local council and filing in Texas now.
The cases supporting the argument all have one critical feature: they involve citizens or people imprisoned for crimes, not aliens and immigration contexts, let alone alleged enemy alien contexts. And while citizens have a constitutional right to vindicate their claims, aliens who are not claiming that they have a right to remain in this country. have no such inherent right.
Because habeas corpus here has been the exclusive remedy for alleged alien enemies, Professor Provadsky’s use of cases from a very different context without even an attempt to argue that they are relevant to the current context - he just seems to assume them universally applicable - gives me no assurance his argument has legal merit.
I believe it justifiable to use temporary restraining orders in the jurisdiction a detainee was first detained in to ensure the detainee is temporarily kept in place and location revealed to give lawyers time to file the correct petitions in the correct jurisdiction. But I think that’s the limit of their usability. Once the location is known and the government restrained from moving the detainee, I think the detainee has to and should use the traditional method for challenging alien enemy status.
I think it would be a mistake for detainee lawyers to lose over something like this. I think it would be much more prudent for them to follow the correct procedure and make sure their technical bases are covered.
Reader Y, who the hell is Professor Provadsky?
Assuming arguendo (without conceding) that venue does not lie in the District of Columbia, SCOTUS can remand to Judge Boasberg with instructions to determine whether in the interest of justice, the lawsuit should be transferred to any district or division in which it could have been brought pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 1406(a).
The key case is Thuraissigiam, which is about immigration detention.
boy you're gonna be pretty shocked then when you read what thuraissigiam has to say about DOJ's argument that these claims have to go through habeas
If Professor Kovarsky is right that Thorisagiam’s statement that a petition to bar transfer of aliens to a foreign sovereign is “outside the core of habeas” reverses previous precedents thst habeas is available to AEA petititioners, then the consequence is not that they can petition under some other statute. The consequence is that they can’t petition at all.Professor Kavorsky may have just argued his clients out of court entirely.
But Thurissagiam did no such thing. It construed a statute that specifically stripped judicial jurisdiction to entertain collateral attacks to administrative decisions under a specific statute. But the AEA has no such jurisdiction-stripping provision, and habeas has long been available, so the Court’s rationale for why Congress stripping jurisdiction is no problem has no relevance.
Again, if Professor Kovarsky is right , then the consequence is not mecessarily that AEA detainees get to do something else. The consequence is wuite likely that there is no judicial jurisdiction at all. If it’s not habeas, it’s nothing. Professor Kovarsky doesn’t attempt to make an argument that petitioners have a right to anything else. He just assumes it.
It’s certainly not APA. The AEA has no associated administrative pricedure for the APA to apply to. Nor is it a civil rights statute. AEA petitioners also have, as Alito put it, only those rights Congress chooses to give them.
I don’t see why the petitioners can’t use habeas. If they are claiming they are not dangerous, they can argue that even if the AEA applies, it gives them a right to leave voluntarily in a reasonable amount of time and not be detained during that period. That’s a claim one has a right to be released from custody, which is indeed a core habeas claim.
you think the fact that the only habeas cases that exclude other remedies are state-prisoner post conviction cases seeding release or reduction is an argument FOR DOJ?
all the cases that have this habeas exclusivity rule, and they are all this one specific kind of case. and then a bunch of other cases in the executive detention/immigration context that say there isn't coreness/exclusivity in those contexts - Shaughnessy, We Shung, Thuraissigiam, and Munaf - and your takeaway is ... this?
Habeas corpus traditionally provides one AEA petitioners a remedy because they don’t otherwise have one. The APA doesn’t apply because there’s no adminstrative procedure associated with the AEA, the statute comes from a time before such things. And although the Court avoided saying so directly as long as Kennedy and RBG were on it, I think aliens in general have only those remedies from deportation that Congress gives them.
That’s the essential point. You are simply assuming they have other remedies. The situation is totally different from e.g. a criminal case where petitioners wouldk have other remedies available if they weren’t confined to habeas corpus as their exclusive remedy.
You may be arguing these folks out of court.
I agree the proclamation is reviewable, and I think once the merits are reached the proclamation basically collapses. There’s no war, no foreign governmnet involved , none of the factual predicates for invoking the AEA. But I wouldn’t close the habeas door to getting there. It may be the only one available.
Isn't this what SCOTUS in Ludecke said was unreviewable by the courts?
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The principle guiding the Trump administration's SCOTUS filing seems to have been articulated by Finley Peter Dunne's fictional bartender Martin J. Dooley: “No matther whether th’ constitution follows h’ flag or not, th’ Supreme Coort follows th’ election returns.”
It seems to me that at least some of the plaintiffs have a claim for relief even if they otherwise deportable. The AEA gives non-dangerous alien enemies a reasonable amount of time to leave the countey on their own. I think even if President Teump’s application of the AEA isn’t completely bogus (and I think it is), they get to persuade a judge they aren’t really dangerous and if they can do that, I think they are entitled to be ordered released with a time to leave voluntarily before the government can detain them.
The situation here is completely different from Ludecke. Ludecke never disputed he was an enemy alien. His claim was that because the WWII-era Presidential proclamation had limited enforcement to dangerous aliens, as a non-dangerous alien he was entitled to stay. The Ludecke court, as I read it, held that this limitation was simply an exercise of prosecutorial discretion, which is not reviewable.
Here, however, the difference in treatment between dangerous and non-dangerous alien enemies is statutory. So I think the courts get to review it.
Please tell me where I am wrong, but isn't it the case where if a prisoner is not asserting habeas but another claim, he must first exhaust his administrative remedies before bringing another type of suit?
And habeas, as I understand it like another poster would go like this:
Judge: Custodian, why are you holding this prisoner in my jurisdiction?
Custodian: He is being detained under authority of INS based upon (probable cause?) that he is a deportable alien. See here is the paperwork.
Judge: Very well. Let's go have a beer.
Federal habeas is not my thing but that is generally how a state habeas proceeds (unless we are talking about post-conviction habeas, which is not relevant here).
Are you talking about the Prison Litigation Reform Act? If so, it only applies to a prisoner “incarcerated or detained in any facility who is accused of, convicted of, sentenced for, or adjudicated delinquent for, violations of criminal law or the terms and conditions of parole, probation, pretrial release, or diversionary program”, not in immigration detention. 42 U.S.C. § 1997e(h).
you are thinking of the exhaustion requirement habeas imposes for state prisoners who are challenging their convictions under 2254. that does not mean that someone who is suing under the APA or another statute has to meet the habeas exhaustion requirement, although there could be an exhaustion requirement from that other statute. PLRA, for example, has one.
There are no administrative remedies to exhaust under the AEA. The very lack of administrative procedure that enables the government to just swoop in and act with no administrative fuss or muss enables those they’ve actec on to go directly to court with no administrative fuss or muss. The very things that are sometimes a sword for the government are also sometimes a shield for the petitioners.
Prof. Kovarsky,
1. Thanks for participating in the comments.
2. This case seems a bit unusual, and I wonder if both sides are setting themselves up for a Pyrrhic victory.
In general, it looks like there’s an assumption that habeas is the not possible relief available—so it’s the detainee arguing for it (because it least that way they get some kind of review) and the government arguing against it. Here, if the detainees successfully argue that habeas is unavailable, might that not mean they have no avenue into court at all and lose their case altogether (even if they lose in DC)? Conversely, if the government wins in the merits, won’t it be stuck giving the detainees review, albeit in a different district?
Its not that habeas is unavailable, its they decided not to use it.
What is just absolutely Calvinball is deciding to create an add hoc nationwide class of people who with completely different facts and circumstances.
Were I an innocent illegal alien economic migrant from Venezuela the last thing I would ever want is to be swept up in a class consisting almost exclusively of TdA felons.
Yet that's what Boasberg* did.
*For purposes of future posts, my spellchecker changed that to Blasted, so that's to be read as Boasberg, in future posts.
it seems like you keep posting without any ability to answer the following:
(1) habeas law contains no rule that it is the exclusive forum for seeking an order to bar transfer;
(2) to the extent you try to read it in from outside of habeas law (704), it would be contingent on the adequacy of the habeas remedy, and the inadequacy of the remedy is not answered by you (ever); and
(3) because this is not a challenge to immediate physical confinement (ie it doesn't seek discharge), Padilla says the immediate custodian rule doesn't apply.
Fair enough, I just read the DOJ's SCOTUS petition that says habeas is the proper remedy, I'll go with that until SCOTUS slaps it down.
But you haven't come up with any authority to backup your contention that the proper vehicle to contest the Presidents direct orders to subordinates invoking the AEA is review under the APA. And I did link two sources that directly state that the President is not subject to the APA.
Nor have I seen any justification for Boasberg to create an ad hoc class in order to justify a nationwide injunction.
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My problem here is the AEA has no associated administrstive procedure. It came into being before that was a thing. That’s why I’m skeptical the APA applies.
I actually does apply in section 2 of the proclamation where Trump orders Bondi to come up with regulations within 60 days for future implementation.
But the other sections are straight out commands, do this, and do it now, with no regulations or rulemaking involved.
I reiterate: the APA is not limited to regulations or rulemaking.
A problem here is that Presidential decisions under the AEA are judicially unreviewable. That was one of Ludecke’s key holdings as I read it. Only statutory elements are reviewable.
the government is obviously going to argue that you have to use habeas then is going to argue that habeas doesn't reach the salvadoran prison. this is very obvious. per my post, the likelihood of success for that argument probably turns on the nature of the contractual relationship between the US and El Salvador/the prison.
Professor Kovarsky’s argument against the government’s claim habeas is the exclusive avenue of judicial review is that habeas is actually unavailable in this case
I don’t think that’s true.
But I also don’t think it’s a good argument to be making in this case. Because aliens have few avenues to judicial review and alen enemies even fewer, the closure of the traditionally accepted avenue for review, far from permitting other avenues, may leave them with none at all.
One reason I don’t think it’s true is I think at least some of these aliens should be able to challenge their detention, not just their destination. The enemy alien act permits non-dangerous aliens a reasonable amount of time to leave volumtarily. Enacted in a more generous and hospitable time, I read it as protecting non-dangerous aliens from detention during that period. In other words, it entitles them to petition for release as their remedy, the remedy that is very much the core of what habeas corpus is about.
While the Supreme Court said Ludecke couldn’t challenge his dangerousness, I don’t think that applies here. The reason was the Presidential proclamation had limited enforcement to dangerous alien enemies only. Ludecle argued that since he wasn’t dangeeous, he could benefit from the President’s decision to limit enforcement of the Act. As I read the opinion, the court said that what the President did was prosecutorial discretion, which is non-reviewable.
Here dangerousness status is not a matter of prosecutorial discretion. It is a statutory category, which determines whether or not an alien wnwmy is statutorily entitled time to leave voluntarily without detention and hence cannot be detained. I think alien enemies are entitled to habeas to get that statutory leniency.
A wrinkle is that the AEA provides a leniency ordinary immigration legislation doesn’t, reflecting its enactment during a kinder and gentler time towards aliens.
I think a petition for the Great Writ directly under the AEA may potentially provide relief other avenues can’t, as a non-dangerous alien enemy is given the statutory benefit of a “reasonable” amount of time to settle affairs and leave volumtarily, and I think is entitled to demand immediate release to obtain this benefit as a preliminary matter, before the validity of Trump’s proclamation and the applicability of the AEA has to be decided. This permits habeas corpus.
In general I would strongly urge advocates for detained immigrants to find arguments to open doors to relief without advocating closing other doors, as Professor Kovarsky’s argument does.
Aliens in general, and purported alien enemies in particular, have few rights in this country. The Great Writ has a unique role in our country’s history. As Galadriel said to Frodo, “May it be a light to you in dark places, when all other lights go out.” I would hold this particular light safe. I wouldn’t be so sure other lights are going to work. It might be needed.