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"The Court Shouldn't Bruen-ize the Free Exercise Clause"
Some thoughts from Michael McConnell, Douglas Laycock, Stephanie Barclay, and Mark Storslee.
I'm delighted to be able to pass along this analysis from Profs. Michael McConnell, Douglas Laycock, Stephanie Barclay, and Mark Storslee. (McConnell and Laycock are quite likely the two most prominent Religion Clauses scholars in the nation; they and Barclay were also cited repeatedly in Justice Alito's concurrence in Fulton v. City of Philadelphia (2021).) The Court is poised to overrule Employment Division v. Smith, and return to the Sherbert/Yoder regime, under which religious objectors have a presumptive constitutional right to exemptions from generally applicable laws. It's therefore tremendously important to figure out what the rules are for when that presumption is rebutted; their reasoning speaks directly to that question:
With opening briefs filed this week in Mahmoud v. Taylor, the Supreme Court will have another opportunity to consider the appropriate constitutional standard for evaluating free exercise claims under the First Amendment. In Mahmoud, the Court will decide whether public schools may compel students to participate in instruction on gender and sexuality that violates their parents' religious convictions.
Some scholars and several prominent appellate court judges have recently argued that the Supreme Court should abandon strict scrutiny and Bruen-ize the First Amendment—i.e., incorporate the Second Amendment constitutional doctrine from New York State Rifle & Pistol Ass'n v. Bruen into various parts of the First Amendment (though these arguments have largely related to the First Amendment's speech protections).
Although we differ in some ways with respect our approach to constitutional interpretation, we all broadly support looking to the history surrounding ratification as a primary method of developing constitutional doctrines. But we have serious concerns about the Court adopting a Bruen-type historical analogue approach in the free exercise context. In our view, doing so would create a test that would be unworkable, theoretically dubious, and—ironically—inconsistent with the best historical understanding of the meaning of the Free Exercise Clause.
Bruen's Basic Framework
Under Bruen's test, to regulate protected Second Amendment activity, the government must demonstrate that its modern regulation is consistent with the nation's historical tradition of firearm regulation. This involves a two-step inquiry. First, courts must assess whether the "plain text" of the Second Amendment applies to the conduct in question. Second, where the initial requirement is met, the government must identify historical restrictions on the right from the Founding era or the Reconstruction era (when the Fourteenth Amendment was ratified) that are "relevantly similar" to the challenged regulation in order to save the law.
Crucially, Bruen also insisted that at this second step, judges ought to eschew so called "means-ends scrutiny" and related doctrines such as strict scrutiny, compelling government interest analysis, and interest balancing. Instead, they ought to rely solely on historical analogues of regulations. Modern factual considerations, such as the government's need to implement the regulation or the fit between the regulation and the government's interest, are not part of the analysis (although we find it impossible to believe courts will ignore such concerns in practice).
In United States v. Rahimi, the Court clarified that Bruen's historical analogue approach is a search for "the principles that underpin our regulatory tradition," not an unguided hunt for whatever historic regulations happened to exist at the relevant period. We think Rahimi's attempt to rescue Bruen from a focus on brute historical facts alone was a positive development. After all, originalism is a search for meaning, not history for its own sake. Even so, we do not think that Bruen's approach easily translates to the free exercise context, for at least two reasons.
A Bruen Approach Is Incapable of Grappling with Some of Our Nation's Tradition that Does Not Live Up to the Meaning of Free Exercise Protections
First, Bruen instructs courts to focus primarily on "the Nation's historical tradition of … regulation"—defining the boundaries of a right in terms of laws that existed at the relevant historical period. But Bruen's approach has no good way — maybe no way at all internal to its premises — to distinguish times and events when historical government regulation was honoring constitutional rights from times and events when we were violating them, sometimes flagrantly.
Just consider a few examples from the free exercise context. One: almost every state had blasphemy laws at the Founding and well into the nineteenth century. Another is that teachers caned and expelled Catholic children in public schools for refusing to read the King James Bible—and courts upheld those actions. Our history and tradition includes the long-running persecution of the Mormons (members of the LDS Church). It includes attempts to impose Protestant forms of governance on Catholic Churches, to force all children to attend public schools, and to stamp out the Native American sun dance. We could go on, but we think the point is plain.
The fact that we can point to certain historical analogues of government regulation in support of such practices, either at the Founding or later, does not mean those regulations were living up to the constitutional promise of free exercise. Sometimes practices flying under the banner of "tradition" are nothing more than flagrant violations, made possible by bigotry or unreflective inertia.[1]
To be sure, historical regulations that existed contemporaneous with ratification might sometimes provide limited indirect evidence about the Constitution's meaning. But determining the value of that evidence requires a serious attempt to discern the positive meaning of a constitutional provision. And just as importantly, it sometimes requires recognizing that the full implications of a constitutional right—even from the moment of its ratification—may not have been immediately accepted or fully understood.
Constitutional rights are aimed at remedying historic abuses. And the defenders of those abuses do not instantly acquiesce or comply as soon as the new amendment is ratified. They often carry on as before, making history and tradition. The will to enforce the newly announced right, or even the ability to understand its implications, may be long delayed. After all, the longest lasting history and tradition of the Reconstruction Amendments is still Jim Crow.
Nor was any of this news to the Framers. Madison, for example, noted in introducing the Federal Bill of Rights that while many states already had their own bills of rights, there were "few particular states in which some of the most valuable articles have not, at one time or other, been violated."[2] Despite recognizing that enumeration alone could not guarantee rights, Madison nonetheless advocated for the inclusion of a federal Bill of Rights in the Constitution to lessen the chances of rights violations. He was candid, however, that the Founding era government, engaged in a new experiment of popular sovereignty, often acted in ways that fell short of the constitutional ideal.[3] Containing no obvious way of weeding out those shortfalls, a Bruen-style approach risks entrenching them.
Strict Scrutiny Is the More Historically Justified Judicial Doctrine
Some jurists and scholars have criticized strict scrutiny as a judge-made doctrine, and praised Bruen, in contrast, as being rooted in history. But the truth is, Bruen's two-part test is a judge-made doctrine too. Identifying a relevant analogue requires a theory about what matters and what is incidental, and a bare knowledge of historical facts and episodes cannot supply that History does not and cannot dictate answers to any of those questions.
The irony is that incorporating a Bruen approach into the Free Exercise Clause risks ignoring the ways that something like strict-scrutiny analysis is the best doctrinal tool for implementing the Free Exercise Clause's historic meaning.
It is true that, as Bruen noted, strict-scrutiny as a modern doctrine emerged in the twentieth century, not long after the First Amendment was incorporated against the states through the Fourteenth Amendment. But some of us have argued that the founding-era approach to free exercise bears a conceptual similarity to strict scrutiny. Most of the early state constitutional protections for free exercise contained "provisos" that limited the scope of the right to actions that did not invade the natural rights of others or endanger the "peace and safety of the State." In other words, the exercise of religious is protected unless it produces some kinds of harm.
And Founding-era courts likewise protected religious liberty in ways that resembled modern strict scrutiny analysis in other important respects, including asking evidentiary questions that looked like some version of means-ends scrutiny.[4] For example, an early New York case about the priest-penitent privilege noted that the practice of confession often resulted in voluntary remediation, while punishment of the priest would be futile.
In contrast, we are aware of no recorded court decisions that protected religious exercise by implementing something like the historical regulatory analogue approach. And when Madison debated with George Mason about the limits of religious liberty, he did not articulate a list of prior laws that provided analogies to limit such liberty. He focused on the types of reasons for which government could regulate religious exercise. And those reasons, he thought, should be exceedingly limited. The "happiness" of society was not sufficient. Regulation needed to be justified based on government interests like the need to preserve "equal liberty" of other citizens, or because the religious exercise could "endanger[]" the "existence of the state."[5]
To be clear, we do not deny that different doctrinal tools may sometimes be appropriate, even in the free exercise context. For example, identifying historical analogues can be a valuable way of identifying absolute constitutional rights, such as the ministerial exception. Under the ministerial exception doctrine, in certain contexts the government is flatly prohibited from forcing a religious organization to hire or maintain an employment relationship with an individual that the church does not wish to have as its leader. But note that in that context, the historical analogue does not look to a background of historic regulation. Instead, it involves identifying a zone of protected private activity in which the government cannot intrude.
The regulatory historical analogue approach in Bruen functions in the opposite manner. Rather than looking for historic analogues of protected activity, Bruen looked to the universe of historic regulation, then defined permissible modern regulation in those terms. At first glance, that kind of approach might seem attractive to those who believe in a robust version of the free exercise right. But the reality is something closer to the opposite.
The key insight involves understanding the flip-side of Bruen. By focusing on historic regulation rather than protected conduct, Bruen's approach creates a limited permission for regulation rather than a limited prohibition on governmental means and ends. In the Second Amendment context, this has meant a limited range of permissible government action, because there was so little gun regulation in the early years of the Republic. But for reasons we have already explained, in the free exercise context, the results will be a mixed bag, sometimes protective of the liberty, but often not.
In some areas the regulatory historical analogue approach might even open the door to religious persecution. The American history and tradition toward Native religion, Catholicism, and Mormonism was not a model of respect for the rights of others. An approach that would hold up blasphemy laws or laws discriminating against religious minorities as presumptively permissible is hardly an approach protective of religious freedom. Yet that is the approach Bruen's framework would seem to invite.
In other areas of modern regulation, there may be no relevant historic analogue that government can point to, at least at a low level of generality. That presents a different quandary under Bruen, one related to limits on judicial discretion. In such a context, construing historical analogues at a low level of generality might mean that any regulation limiting religious exercise would be categorically invalid. That approach would overprotect religion as applied to whole swathes of regulation unknown to the founding generation. For example, the legal category of "child abuse" did not exist until well after the Founding. That does not mean that religiously-motivated child abuse, however severe, should now get a free pass.
That leaves the second option. On this approach, courts can dial up the level of generality to make modern-day regulation more permissible even if it is more loosely analogous. We think this result the more likely one after Rahimi. In the free exercise context, however, that approach means far less protection for religious claimants, and a categorical affirmance of nearly all modern regulations limiting religious exercise.
Consider this level of generality dilemma in the context of parental rights, relevant to Mahmoud. There were no public schools in the United States before the 1830s, and in some parts of the country until after the Civil War, and the history of public school education in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries was infected by a Protestant hegemony that brooked little dissent. That history and tradition would not lead to a happy result in Mahmoud.
It is far more workable, and more consistent with constitutional text and history, for courts to force government to prove with a robust evidentiary showing that a regulation that limits religious activity is a narrowly tailored means of actually protecting an interest like the peace and safety of the state. That is what historical materials concerning the meaning of free exercise point towards. And that, more or less, is what strict scrutiny requires.
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[1] See, e.g., Mark Storslee, History and the School Prayer Cases, 110 Va. L. Rev. 1619, 1684–1691 (2024) (discussing the practice of compelled religious observance in nineteenth century public schools).
[2] See Stephanie H. Barclay, Constructing Constitutional Rights, Harv. L. Rev. F. (forthcoming 2025) (quoting 11 Documentary History of the First Federal Congress of the United States of America: 4 Mar.–3 Mar. 1791, at 825 (Charlene Bangs Bickford et al. eds., 1992) (emphasis added)).
[3] Id. (citing 11 Documentary History of the First Federal Congress 825 (emphasis added). Conversely, while Founding-era governments often exceeded their legitimate authority in infringing on rights, they also sometimes stopped short of the limits of their authority. Justice Barrett has recognized this point, noting that the Founding era government could have chosen not to enact a regulation because it believed the regulation unnecessary, rather than because it felt the regulation would be constitutionally prohibited. See United States v. Rahimi, 602 U.S. 680, 739–40 (2024) (Barrett, J., concurring).
[4] See Michael W. McConnell, The Origins and Historical Understanding of Free Exercise of Religion, 103 Harv. L. Rev. 1409, 1414–15, 1511–13 (1990); Douglas Laycock, The Supreme Court's Assault on Free Exercise, and the Amicus Brief That Was Never Filed, 8 J.L. & Religion 99, 102 (1990); Douglas Laycock, Regulatory Exemptions of Religious Behavior and the Original Understanding of the Establishment Clause, 81 Notre Dame L. Rev. 1793, 1795–96 (2006); Stephanie H. Barclay, Replacing Smith, Yale L.J. F. (2024) [hereinafter Barclay, Replacing Smith]; Stephanie H. Barclay, Constitutional Rights as Protected Reasons, 92 U. Chi. L. Rev. __ (forthcoming 2025).
[5] See Barclay, Replacing Smith (collecting sources).
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Bruen has been unworkable and absurd. You can’t look 150+ years back to get insight on issues that are modern. And it is also nuts to give religious people an exception to federal law. That would be promoting the religious over the non-religious. Also we have seen that religious people magically find new religious objections to laws that they just so happen not to like.
The other problem with Bruen is that it's based on a false premise: that the government always regulated up to the limits of its power. That the government did not ban X at the founding is evidence, but not proof, that people at the time thought the government couldn't ban X.
It bears repeating that in Bruen the Court went beyond the arguments presented to it. It was on a culture-war mission and nothing was going to stop it -- despite the ridiculous walkback that it was forced to do in Rahimi. How can it not do the same in Mahmoud, where at least the argument is actually being briefed?
Recognizing a fundamental right is not a culture-war mission. Or rather, I guess it is if one pretends it isn't a fundamental right in question.
(Heller and McDonald reminded us of that, despite a culture trying to forget over 80+ years.)
It is NOT based on such a silly premise.
It's based on the premise that the 2nd amendment is stated in quite absolute terms, and so if you're going to do anything at all that infringes gun rights, anything AT ALL, you need some basis to make an exception.
And that "It was done at the time the 2nd amendment was adopted and nobody thought it was problematic" is such a basis.
Same principle used for the 1st amendment: Congress is flatly prohibited from abridging freedom of speech, but exceptions are made for infringements that were committed at the time and not thought to be a problem; Defamation, fraud, that sort of thing.
Brett, your take on the 2A is too janky for even Gorsuch to bother with.
Based on the modern meaning of the text, you can ignore that text in explicit instances derived from original practice??
That's already contradicting itself. It's not a method of interpretation with some kind of logical throughline, it's an outcome-oriented rationalization
And, of course, originalism doesn't actually work like you dream it does. So you claim 8 of the Justices are all lying about it.
And the jurisprudence of any other right doesn't operate like that, from original practice to modern precedent. So they all need to be redone.
And Wickard.
I remember when you were Mr. more formalism than sense. That Brett's been gone since Trump's first term. Now it's just BrettLaw, a mishmash of formalism and functionalism and textualism and originalism and modern meaning and whatever you gotta do to get where the voices in your head say is the Truth.
"That's already contradicting itself. It's not a method of interpretation with some kind of logical throughline, it's an outcome-oriented rationalization."
It is! Did I say it wasn't? But it's outcome oriented against gun owners, not in our favor; It's the best we can hope for from a Court whose members came out of legal schools which were irremediably hostile to the right in question.
It's just not outcome oriented against gun owners enough to satisfy the gun control movement.
Your excuse for why the doctrine you insist be used makes no sense is it’s the best we can hope for.
This also makes no sense.
You conflate should and is and come up with some third thing that is neither.
It absolutely is based on that premise. That's the whole basis for the "historical analogue" inquiry.
No. You're misreading "Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech" as "Congress shall make no law limiting speech." Laws against defamation are not "infringements" that are "exceptions" to a "flat prohibition." Defamation isn't part of the freedom of speech in the first place, so a law against defamation isn't an infringement of such freedom at all, and doesn't abridge it.
It's only problem when you ignore that the right to keep and bear arms is a fundamental right, as the text says. We don't get that from the government not banning guns near the founding era. That did not happen because everyone at the time understood it was out of bounds.
THAT is what "history and tradition" shows. That the protected right, codified in the amendment, as in continuity before and after its passage.
I realize you want to pretend here that the right didn't exist because government just chose not to exercise its "right" to act over an extended period of time, that it was unknown in English history. Lexington and Concord is one example of why that is fallacious logic, and why it remains essential.
The text doesn't say fundamental right.
You do a great job of showing the level of rigor behind a lot of 'history and tradition' arguments.
Obviously no where in the Constitution is any right declared fundamental. That argument was made in the Declaration of Independence.
Even the Great Writ is not called the Great Writ in the Constitution, yet we all know what was being referred to, somewhat by assumption (or dare I say it, history and tradition).
But the text doesn’t say what the right to keep and bear arms actually entails, which is what needs to be analyzed if we’re going to determine whether or not a present government action infringes it. The history as practiced is certainly relevant to that analysis, but as a matter of logic it’s hard to see why it should be conclusive. As David Nieporent notes, the fact that early governments didn’t implement a particular regulation doesn’t prove that they couldn’t. And, for that matter, the fact that early governments did impose a regulation doesn’t necessarily mean that the regulation is consistent with second amendment: it could just be that the government acted unconstitutionally. (Cf. the Alien and Sedition Acts).
Insisting that government can ban guns because some regulations were known at ratification is like arguing that freedom of speech, and of the press, aren't really fundamental rights because libel laws existed at the time of the founding.
On the contrary, the Court should "Bruenize" every right.
There are, however, two vital considerations in doing this:
1. As the Bill of Rights only applied to the federal government prior to the 14th amendment, what you're primarily looking at prior to that is the record of federal, not state, action. State action is only relevant insofar as the state in question had an analogous right in its own constitution. (Conveniently for the purposes of the 2nd amendment, the states did have such analogs for the 2nd amendment at the founding. But this wasn't the case for every right in the Bill of Rights.)
2. The 14th amendment was only really in effect for a few short years, as the Court itself deliberately spiked the amendment, freeing states to routinely violate it. So, while the period between ratification and the Court's various constitutional atrocities (Such as Slaughterhouse or Pace v Alabama) is highly relevant in understanding 14th amendment application, post atrocity practice is of limited materiality.
Bruen isn't even working out like you want.
Gorsuch's no precedents only originalism rights jurisprudence project isn't good.
It ends up being a mush everyone can project their personal Constitutional takes onto. Including the Justices.
You won't like the outcomes, though I suppose it will allow you to invoke BrettLaw even more often.
Brett -- John Adam's father in law was a Puritan Minister -- and Adams was quite religious. Do you think he would have supported anything that weakened the power of the Puritan church in Massachusetts???
Yes.
Problem with "Bruenize" every right is that there are some rights that we have now that were not recognized 150 years ago. For example interracial marriage, gay marriage, woman's rights, many of our free speech rights, many of our 4th and 5th Amendment rights.
"For example interracial marriage,"
You know, I did specifically address that: Pace v Alabama was one of my examples of a Court atrocity committed against the 14th amendment!
Right after the 14th amendment was ratified, multiple states voluntarily got rid of their laws against interracial marriage. Lower courts were striking them down in the states that didn't do it on their own. Legalizing interracial marriage was an expected application of the 14th amendment, which the federal legal system was in the process of enforcing right up until the Supreme court stopped them!
Which was a key point I made: That the 14th amendment was only in effect for a few years after ratification, so you have to be very careful about examining post ratification practice, because states were free to violate it again after the Supreme court acted to spike it.
The Court is poised to overrule Employment Division v. Smith, and return to the Sherbert/Yoder regime, under which religious objectors have a presumptive constitutional right to exemptions from generally applicable laws.
The "regime" was stricter in principle than fact. The Supreme Court repeatedly upheld generally applicable laws. Sherbert applied to unemployment benefits. Ideally, Smith would have let be the state court ruling that was so limited.
Yoder was a special case involving education, parental rights, and a favored religious group. Again, its principles were not broadly applied by the Supreme Court.
It is telling that the Religious Freedom RESTORATION Act was argued to be broader than pre-Smith case law, including cases like U.S. v. Lee, which upheld a general application tax rule applied to businesses:
When followers of a particular sect enter into commercial activity as a matter of choice, the limits they accept on their own conduct as a matter of conscience and faith are not to be superimposed on the statutory schemes which are binding on others in that activity.
The principle would have led to a rejection of the Hobby Lobby claim, but a broader exemption was demanded.
If the concern is that originalism will lead to dubious results, I'm fine with that, though history and tradition can be informative. It is also selectively applied as seen by applications of the Establishment Clause.
"" that limited the scope of the right to actions that did not invade the natural rights of others or endanger the "peace and safety of the State." In other words, the exercise of religious is protected unless it produces some kinds of harm."
The problem with that is that you overlook what endangered "the peace and safety" of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts in 1791. Still a theocracy, still essentially Puritan, Massachusetts viewed non-Puritan religious practices the way that folks in California view open fires outdoors -- all you need is one spark and it's all gone...
Maybe a better example are the Covid Mask Nazis.
Not having a mask meant you would kill everyone in the whole community -- reading your Catholic Bible would do likewise.
Massachusetts included Maine at the time -- with Connecticut and New Hampshire also being Puritan. That was six Senators and a lot of Congressmen -- the fear was that the Massachusetts zealots would impose Puritanism on the other states.
Remember that Maryland was Catholic, Pennsylvania was Quaker, Virginia was Fallen Anglican -- they didn't want Congress imposing a DIFFERENT religion on them.
In Massachusetts, the local property tax paid for the minister and church until 1855. Town meeting voted to hire and fire the minister -- Northampton (MA) eventually fired Jonathan Edwards.
You made up this fairy tale before; neither of those claims are true.
Yes, Mary Dyer was actually hung in Downtown Philadelphia and the Jesuits established Georgetown in Hanover, New Hampshire.
You are mentally ill -- it's the only possible explanation...
The question presented for review in Mahmoud is "Do public schools burden parents’ religious exercise when they compel elementary school children to participate in instruction on gender and sexuality against their parents’ religious convictions and without notice or opportunity to opt out?" The appeal is from the District Court's denial of a preliminary injunction, which a divided panel of the Court of Appeals affirmed. Mahmoud v. McKnight, 102 F.4th 191 (4th Cir. 2024).
The Court of Appeals relied heavily on Employment Division v. Smith, 494 U.S. 872 (1990), so if SCOTUS intends to abandon Smith, this may be the case to do so.
A plaintiff seeking a preliminary injunction must establish that he is likely to succeed on the merits, that he is likely to suffer irreparable harm in the absence of preliminary relief, that the balance of equities tips in his favor, and that an injunction is in the public interest. Winter v. Natural Res. Def. Council, Inc., 555 U.S. 7, 20 (2008). Mahmoud v. McKnight, 102 F.4th 191, 203 (4th Cir. 2024) “A preliminary injunction is an extraordinary remedy never awarded as of right." Id., at 24.
Irrespective of the standard of review, the instant Plaintiffs here failed to show before the lower courts that their free exercise rights are being burdened. Whatever the legal standard being applied, public school students' mere exposure to curriculum materials which conflicts with parents' religious beliefs is not a First Amendment violation. As the Sixth Circuit opined prior to Smith, a governmental requirement that a person be exposed to ideas he or she finds objectionable on religious grounds does not constitute a burden on the free exercise of that person's religion as forbidden by the First Amendment. Mozert v. Hawkins County Bd. of Education, 827 F.2d 1058 (6th Cir. 1987).
"Offensive content that does not penalize, interfere with, or otherwise burden religious exercise does not violate Free Exercise rights." California Parents for the Equalization of Educational Materials v. Torlakson, 973 F.3d 1010, 1020 (9th Cir. 2020). As the First Circuit has explained:
Parker v. Hurley, 514 F.3d 87, 105 (1st Cir. 2008) (internal quotation marks omitted). As SCOTUS has opined in another context, "The Free Exercise Clause affords an individual protection from certain forms of governmental compulsion; it does not afford an individual a right to dictate the conduct of the Government's internal procedures." Bowen v. Roy, 476 U.S. 693, 700 (1986).
A parent whose child is exposed to sensitive topics or information at school remains free to discuss these matters and to place them in the family's moral or religious context, or to supplement the information with more appropriate materials.
Read the King James Bible recently?
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Bible-Verses-About-Homosexuality/
Do you fancy that you have a point?
A violation of religious and parenting rights is not reparable. Also contrast this with the various restraining orders and preliminary injunctions that courts have issued against the Trump administration, for example because some private entity declined to schedule an appointment for transgender medical intervention (which can be done perfectly well later, or so we are told).
Uh, parents do not have a constitutional right to dictate public school curriculum. Where there is no invasion of rights to begin with, there is a fortiorari no irreparable injury.
As the Ninth Circuit has opined in Fields v. Palmdale School Dist, 427 F.3d 1197, 1206 (9th Cir. 2005):
(Citations and internal quotation marks omitted.)
You do not generally have valid points.
Putting undue emphasis on the word "generally" works wonders.
Michael P, do you have any federal court authority recognizing the substantive due process right of a parent to direct what instructional materials or curriculum a public school system should or should not use? If so, please give us relevant citations. If not, man up and admit it.
Washington v. Glucksberg, 521 U.S. 702, 721 (1997), requires in substantive-due-process cases a "careful description" of the asserted fundamental liberty interest. There is no such fundamental liberty interest in wielding a veto over what is taught by public schools.
That having been said, the sole question presented for review in Mahmoud is "Do public schools burden parents’ religious exercise when they compel elementary school children to participate in instruction on gender and sexuality against their parents’ religious convictions and without notice or opportunity to opt out?" https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/24/24-297/351193/20250304160341072_Mahmoud%20Merits%20Opening%20Brief%20FINAL%20REVISED.pdf That is solely a free exercise claim and not an assertion of parental substantive due process rights.
Still waiting, Michael P.
I don't think the 9th got this right = While parents may have a fundamental right to decide whether to send their child to a public school, they do not have a fundamental right generally to direct how a public school teaches their child.
Why have a School Board and School Board elections?
That is quite a non sequitur, XY. In those jurisdictions where school boards are elected, the electorate is not limited to parents. And no individual voter can dictate curriculum any more than an individual parent can.
Except that the government mandates public school attendance, at least for all poor people who can't afford private school. So, the government is "preaching" on a subject that is morally based. I hope the Court holds that the public school is only allowed to mandated curricula that advances learning ( math, science, history, reading) as opposed to the government's theology of sexual freedom and perversion which, after all, are theological issues.
The one thing I can say with almost total certainty is that this isn’t going to happen.
That is not, in fact, correct.
I think the 4th Circuit is obviously wrong in saying their rights weren’t burdened. To get there, they had to limit Yoder to its facts, treating it as a one-way way ticket, sort of like baseball’s historical anti-trust exemption.
While there’s an argument to be made that Yoder does not cover these plaintiffs, I don’t think it is nearly as narrow or inapplicable outside its facts as the 4th Circuit suggested.
The question before the Supreme Court as I see it is how broad is Yoder, and what does it really stand for? It may not be broad enough to cover these plaintiffs. But I don’t think the 4th Circuit’s extremely narrow reading is defensible.
Is this case like requiring Catholics to read the King James Bible? It seems to me you could easily teach children how to read and understand literature with a different bibliography.
Yoder says that you don't have to send your kids to school past a certain point. It says absolutely zero about choosing to send your kids to school but trying to prevent the school from teaching them things you don't want.
● On the contrary, the Court should "Bruenize" every right.
● despite the ridiculous walkback that it was forced to do in Rahimi.
● How can it not do the same in Mahmoud
● Such as Slaughterhouse or Pace v Alabama
● poised to overrule Employment Division v. Smith
● return to the Sherbert/Yoder regime,
● Mozert v. Hawkins County Bd. of Education
● California Parents for the Equalization of Educational Materials v. Torlakson
Literally trapped on the planet with Picard and Dharmok and Jalaad at Tanagra.
Parker v. Hurley
The authors miss an obvious point. The Religion Clauses were originally enacted to PROTECT state establishments of religion from federal interferance, and the Free Exercise Clause applied to the federal government only. After Barron v. Baltimore, for example, the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of North Carolina, a Catholic, upheld the clause in the North Carolina Constitution limiting office-holders to Protestants, and promptly resigned.
Thus state laws regarding religion prior to the 14th Amendment, during an era where the clause was not binding on them and indeed the federal Establishment Clause served to protect them from being bound by it, would be truly irrelevant to a Free Exercise Clause construed as applying to the states.
The whole idea that the states are bound by the Religion Clauses at all is relatively modern.
As you can see above, this obvious and fundamental point severely offends a lot of people.
"The whole idea that the states are bound by the Religion Clauses at all is relatively modern."
To the degree 1868 is "modern."
And there were some people who thought the Bill of Rights stated responsibilities for the state in antebellum times. They considered things like free exercise of religion a privilege or immunity that states had a duty to follow. The 14A in part was ratified because states failed their responsibilities. So went the argument.
The whole BOR limited the federal government alone so true enough that the First Amendment, along with the rest, protected states. So, e.g., the Second Amendment protected state militia. Jefferson promoted state libel laws against opponents.
Once the 14A was ratified, application of the BOR to the states would include understanding what the components of the BOR meant. History and tradition are relevant there.
The Framers of the 14A debated these questions with moderates, conservatives, and radicals having varying views. You can find scholarship online that provide details.
As to application in antebellum state courts, see, e.g., Nunn v. State of Georgia ("The language of the second amendment is broad enough to embrace both Federal and State governments--nor is there anything in its terms which restricts its meaning. ...
We do not believe that, because the people withheld this arbitrary power of disfranchisement from Congress, they ever intended to confer it on the local legislatures. This right is too dear to be confided to a republican legislature.")
Again, the original understanding of such questions was mixed.
The Secong Amendment, unlike many of the others, guarantees an individual right by its terms. It always applied to prohibited ANY governmental intrusion.
Can you elaborate? The first amendment is framed as a limitation on congress, but the others seem comparably absolute in their guarantees.
The fact that some state courts chose to voluntarily apply federal constitutional rules notwithstanding Barron v. Baltimore does not create a universal practice. This business of people looking at only past practice supporting their desired result and calling it “history” is really an embarassment.
You don’t get to say that if you can find somebody somewhere who supported your viewpoint, your viewpoint has historical support and therefore you are entitled to declare it the obviously universally correct point of view. And the other guy, with the opposite viewpoint, doesn’t get to do the same thing once he gets in power.
Enough with these games. After decades of ideological whiplash, nobody except the choir is fooled by them anymore. It’s an embarrassment.
"The fact that we can point to certain historical analogues of government regulation in support of such practices, either at the Founding or later, does not mean those regulations were living up to the constitutional promise of free exercise."
Excellent point, that should also apply to the Second Amendment. "Shall not be infringed" is a perfectly clear constitutional promise.
"There were no public schools in the United States before the 1830s..." [ahem] Boston Latin School, founded in 1635, has always been a public school.
It's crucial to bear in mind that Bruen's analysis was designed to support a right. The same use of history doesn't work to justify denying or disparaging rights (which the same SCOTUS majority helped prove in their opinions in Dobbs, issued one day after Bruen).
The professors behind this briefing are right, and they provided valuable insights. But there's a simpler and more compelling way to establish even more compelling principles.
Every current SCOTUS justice (except perhaps one) has authored or joined in opinions addressing a crucial controlling concept--the sovereignty of the people. So we should (and our public servants must) address these issues from that starting point. We should stop presuming or pretending that our Constitution is a mere collection of clauses.
The Preamble emphasizes that "We the People" created our "Constitution" and "Union" to "establish Justice" and "secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves." Three times (in Section 1 of Articles I, II and III) our Constitution emphasized that only part of our "powers" were "vested" in our public servants in each branch of government. The Ninth Amendment expressly emphasized a principle that was implicit in the original Constitution: all "rights" are "retained by the people." The Tenth Amendment did the same. It expressly re-emphasized that We the People "by the Constitution" merely "delegated to the United States certain limited "powers" and "prohibited by it [our Constitution] to the States" certain "powers" (e.g., in Article I, Section 9 and Amendments XIII, XIV, XV, XIX, XXIV and XXVI) and we "reserved to the States" certain powers and "reserved" to "the people" all residual "powers."
So the crucial question is whether We the People vested power in a particular public servant to do what they're doing. The First Amendment emphasizes rights and powers that the people necessarily retained, e.g., freedom of thought, expression, association and assembly. Freedom of religion necessarily involves freedom of thought, expression, association and assembly. Any public servant who wants to infringe on our personal sovereignty (over our own selves and our children) or our political sovereignty (over our public servants) should be required to prove the facts at issue under the relevant standard of proof. This case cannot be about the mere "Establishment Clause."
I misspoke. I meant the "Free Exercise Clause." No case arguably addressing any rights or freedoms in the First Amendment should be seen as subject to the limitations of any mere amendment, much less any mere clause. As Chief Justice Marshall emphasized in McCulloch v. Maryland, "we must never forget, that it is a constitution" (not a mere clause) "we are expounding."
Multiple opinions in Bruen, which pointed to Heller, pointed us in the direction we should go. For example, in Bruen and Heller, multiple opinions powerfully emphasized that the Second Amendment clearly isn't about the right to merely keep or merely bear arms. The Second Amendment truly and most fundamentally is about how the liberty and the sovereignty of We the People was established and maintained; it is about self-defense and self-preservation. So it protects much more than guys with guns.
In McCulloch, Chief Justice Marshall also elaborated on the most important principles of our national constitution:
"The government of the Union [ ] is, emphatically, and truly, a government of the people. In form and in substance it emanates from them. Its powers are granted by them, and are to be exercised directly on them, and [exclusively] for their benefit. This [national] government is acknowledged by all to be one of enumerated [limited] powers. [ I]t can exercise only the powers granted to it . . . . . That principle is now universally admitted."
Where's the link to the article?
"The will to enforce the newly announced right, or even the ability to understand its implications, may be long delayed."
Ronald Dworkin, call your office.
"Constitutional rights are aimed at remedying historic abuses."
Wrong. Constitutional guarantees may vindicate natural rights, protecting them against future violations, regardless of whether there had been violations of those rights.
RKBA had been exercised freely in the American colonies prior to independence.
The Crown had made no establishments of religion in the American colonies. Some of the colonies had done so, but the Constitution was not then held to apply to those establishments, which continued under it.
The guarantee of freedom of the press and of speech may be considered as "remedy of an abuse". Likewise the extensions of suffrage to non-whites and to women.
But that form is not universal.
Rich, I'm not following you. What guarantee in our Constitution vindicates a natural right but was not designed to prevent abuses that had been common previously?
The argument seems to boil down to "We can't do Bruen because that doesn't lead us to the center-left result that we desire."
Any form of originalism is going to lead to what seems like an absurd result in 2025 society. Rules written in 1789 were likely not built to last. Imagine the rules for a club which were unchanged since 1789. This is why the framers thought that there would be frequent amendments.
We should use the amendment process instead of crafting these disingenuous judicial "tests" to make the Constitution magically fall in line with a cohesive 21st century rational public policy.
wvattorney13, it's not true that "Any form of originalism is going to lead to what seems like an absurd result in 2025 society."
The starting point for all originalism (and construing our Constitution) should be with the understanding that We the People are sovereign. Next, understand that "the people" must be understood consistent with Amendments XIII, XIV, XV, XIX, XXIV and XXVI. Next, think about how people like James Madison and Alexander Hamilton did explain our Constitution, e.g., in The Federalist Papers, and how they would have changed their explanation it if "the people" back then included all the types of people it includes now. The results and the process would be vastly different from the results and process of most of today's so-called originalists--and the results would be remarkably liberal. The judicial tests that you oppose often do make our Constitution better reflect the process the originals would have employed and the results they would consider proper if they had had more time (and if they hadn't been trying to preserve multiple forms of supremacy that our Constitution now outlaws).
That's not originalism at all. It's "sure the founders meant X, but surely they would have meant Y if they were as progressive and understanding of BiPOC as we are today."
That's a completely standardless system that can come up with any preferred result. I disagree with it in principle. There is no reason why we should view the freedom of speech or gun ownership, to take two examples, as having different applications when applied to blacks, women, or LGBTQ people.