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The Flip-Side to CFPB v. CFSAA: What if the Director Requests $0 in appropriations?
Congress has no role in funding the CFPB. The Director can request as much as is "reasonably necessary." What if he decides that amount is $0?
The Consumer Finance Protection Bureau was structured to give its director independence from the executive branch and Congress. The CFPB Director served a fixed-term, and could only be removed by the President for proper cause. And the CFPB did not have to ask Congress for appropriations. Rather, the Director could request funds from the Federal Reserve that he deemed "reasonably necessary." And if the agency has a budget surplus, it could maintain and even invest those funds. From its inception, the CFPB was a separation of powers abomination.
Yet, despite the best efforts of regulated parties, the CFPB has survived to this day. Seila Law v. CFPB (2020) found the for-cause protection to be unconstitutional, but saved the agency by making the director removable at will. However, CFPB v. CFSAA (2024) upheld the funding scheme. As a result, Congress has not actually appropriated a penny for the CFPB. This sort of independence made sense when the director sought to maximize the agency's effectiveness. But this independence will have a very different effect with a director who seeks to defenestrate the agency.
Ross Vought, the acting director of the CFPB, announced that the agency will take no further money from the Federal Reserve.
Pursuant to the Consumer Financial Protection Act, I have notified the Federal Reserve that CFPB will not be taking its next draw of unappropriated funding because it is not "reasonably necessary" to carry out its duties. The Bureau's current balance of $711.6 million is in fact…
— Russ Vought (@russvought) February 9, 2025
Instead, Vought will rely on the $700+ million budget surplus. If he even uses that money. Vought has effectively shut down operations and told workers to stay home. However, I don't think anything would stop Vought from transferring that amount back to the federal reserve.
What happens going forward? Vought can starve the agency of funding if he deems the money not "reasonably necessary." And Congress can't do a damn thing about it. I don't even know if there is some mechanism by which Congress could force the agency to take appropriated funds. I'm sure some D.C. Circuit panel could try to force Vought to request funding from the Federal Reserve. But that would be a striking and novel interference with executive power. Again, if the CFPB was a normal agency, the failure to spend money would raise impoundment concerns. But the CFPB was made above the appropriation power.
Elizabeth Warren and her colleagues sought to create an agency insulated from the President and Congress. That strategy may have made sense with Barack Obama in office and Mitt Romney on the horizon. But this approach is quite different with President Trump.
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Your fellow bloggers will no doubt be here soon to assure us this is the illegalest, unconstitutionalest thing that Drumpf has done yet, and the DC Circuit would be fully justified simply to declare that orange Hitler is no longer President.
Stop smoking crack before posting here. I have read literally thousands of articles and blog posts since Trump won the election. Half of them since he became president again. NOT A SINGLE ONE has argued that Trump can and should be simply declared not president. (If you *are* reading those; then you are reading something really out on the fringe.)
Obviously, when Trump does something blatantly unconstitutional; there is no problem or conspiracy pointing it out. When Trump does something arguably unconstitutional; there is nothing wrong with pointing *that* out. Nothing wrong with arguing that it is, in fact, unconstitutional...even if courts later rule that it's legally permissible.
In other words: stop whoring your own integrity by defending Trump for doing the indefensible. Save your ammo for when he does something merely possibly indefensible. (Examples: Wanting to take over Greenland, Canada, Panama, Gaza. There's nothing legally wrong with stating his [idiotic] view that America would be better off by taking ownership/control over these places, and I have totally defended his right to state his desires and intentions and wishes to do so.
I guess you missed this post by Baude, at this very site:
"The Court in Trump v. Anderson held none of these things. Nothing in the case contradicts the core conclusion we reached in our prior scholarship: Donald Trump is constitutionally disqualified from the presidency and may not lawfully serve in that office, or any other (unless Congress removes the disqualification by two-thirds majorities of both houses)."
So Baude is still claiming that Trump has been disqualified and not a legitimate President.
https://reason.com/volokh/2025/01/20/in-print-sweeping-section-three-under-the-rug/
Then read the comments for more Section 3 dead enders, here's Just one example:
"Very good article. Trump is ineligible to be president and the factual record that the Colorado courts developed showed that clearly, as did every other report about the 2020 election. SCOTUS tried to take the easy way out and messed everything up. They had the opportunity to step up to the plate and uphold the Constitution and struck out."
So the original claim was "fellow bloggers will no doubt be here soon to assure us this is the illegalest, unconstitutionalest thing that Drumpf has done yet, and the DC Circuit would be fully justified simply to declare that orange Hitler is no longer President." SM answered "NOT A SINGLE ONE has argued that Trump can and should be simply declared not president."
You then point to Baude. So, you got SM here I guess because there is one. But I see just that one, so seems you got Causter too? Friendly fire?
They just never imagined the head of a government agency whose goal wasn't to spend as much money as he possibly could.
In the private sector, the goal of an agency is to spend as little as possible, producing the largest budget surplus possible. In a government agency, the goal is to expend your entire budget as quickly as possible, so you will be rewarded with a bigger budget next year.
They just never imagined the head of a government agency trying to sabotage the agency.
I'm not sure what an "agency" is in the private sector, but in fact divisions or departments of private companies also try to spend their budgets so that those budgets don't get cut the next year.
You don't know what an "agency" is in the private sector? Are you familiar with the concept of an "agent" and how that word is related to "agency"? How about a "principal"?
You are this site's top pedant, and there isn't a close second.
So when you talk about an agency in the private sector you were talking specifically about private sector entities that are “engaged in doing business for another?”
I see someone is bucking for that "close second" I mentioned.
I would suggest you guys start all your posts with, "ACKSHULLY...", but, of course, it's already implied.
My, you’re grumpy tonight. Chiefs fan? It’s not pedantic to point out you don’t seem to know what you’re talking about here.
Do you mean to compare a private sector *organization* to a government *agency?* It’s odd to refer to the former as an “agency.” Is Amazon or Firestone an “agency?” To confuse things more you then bring up “principal” and “agency,” so are you talking like real estate or talent agencies or the like?
As the definition below shows the term “agency” has several commonly accepted meanings. At first I thought you were confusing (equivocating?) 4 and 5. But you then clearly referred to 4 when you were challenged by David and yet you also certainly initially meant 5 when talking about “government agencies.” That seems…an even weirder thing (comparing private entities like real estate agencies to government agencies).
This is far from pedantic. Comparing a private business *enterprise* to a government *agency* is to compare a whole to a part. Yes, Amazon and Firestone want to spend as little on budget as possible to generate the most profit, but a government *agency* is a *division* of a whole. Apples and oranges. When you compare *divisions* of Amazon or Firestone (like Amazon’s HR division or Firestone’s R&D division) to divisions of the government David’s point is correct: they all often start to see the division’s goals and interest supplant the mission of the whole. This is true for big companies and big government divisions, it’s a feature of bureaucracy long recognized and studied by Harvard Business School as well as Harvard School of Government.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/agency
That’s just happens when you lose elections. The Dems created this unaccountable agency (Except to Fauxhauntis Warren), then tried to isolate it from Presidential control. That was a bridge too far. Nevertheless, Dems shouldn’t be upset that one of their partisan graft machines graft machines got out of their control. It’s a Democrat constructed agency, enacted with little, if any, bipartisan support.
They just never imagined the head of a government agency trying to sabotage the agency.
IOW, they're morons, just like you.
What is it about you on the Left that makes you so stupid that it never occurs to you that the other side gets a vote, too?
"We're going to insulate our Left Wing Slush Fund baby from Presidential control by creating all all powerful Director!"
And when a President from the Right appoints a Director, what then, bozos?
World class stupid
Not sure that "Ha, ha, leftists didn't realize that people on the right won't obey the law!" is really the great argument you thought it was.
"And Congress can't do a damn thing about it."
They can pass a new law. That's the basic avenue available for addressing new developments, including the push/pull necessary when Congress thinks courts have made errors in statutory interpretation or agencies require some sort of tweak.
The current Congress isn't likely to care much & the filibuster does make it harder to pass new laws. But that is a separate matter.
Obviously, Congress CAN do a damn thing.
They should go full absurdist and just refer to everything they're refusing to do as "deferred action." DACA set the precedent that POTUS can refuse to enforce the law, then if a later administration wants to enforce the law, the subject parties somehow have a reliance interest in non-enforcement. Okay great. CFPB is "deferring" all action, effective immediately and the Fed can have its money back.
Did you miss the whole DACA thing? Precedent has been set, the word "shall" doesn't matter. If the President doesn't feel like it, then no law is operative regardless of use of the word shall. Can't see why this would be different in this case.
Wow, a Two Tu Quoque!
Whoops, meant to respond to the next comment. Regardless point stands, Obama created the precedent that laws which say "shall" aren't mandatory, they're subject to the whims of the current president. While I don't like that, it would be lunacy for Team Red to ignore the tool that Team Blue invented.
I’m not sure they are the same in degree at the least (telling CBP to stop all actions and not use funding would be closer), but even were it it might rather be principled to “ignore the tool.” It’s not lunacy for the Federation to not shoot first, it’s what makes the Federation the Federation.
In fiction, the Federation always wins because the writers say so. In reality, the Federation dies because they refuse to meet force with force. Your principles will not help you after you've been beheaded by a "refugee."
Does that happen more or less often than refugees eating cats and dogs?
Are we talking illegals here?
Probably as often as Mitt Romney put blacks back in chains. Good thing Obama was reelected, so that couldn't happen.
My side can use absurd hyperbole. When the other guys do, it's a threat to our democracy. Demagoguery for me, but not for me.
I think one of your "me"s is supposed to be a "thee".
Yes, my bad.
Your side was not using "hyperbole." Your side was lying. It was not rhetoric or a metaphor; they were claiming something happened that didn't.
A strange defense of Biden defaming Romney. Where was the "evidence" that Romney wanted to put blacks back in chains? Seems like another lie, not an opinion.
Probably like Georgia's modest alterations to its voting laws after 2020, being Jim Crow 2.0 and requiring the relocation of the MLB All-star game. I guess making your lie about something factually nebulous makes it not a lie.
David,
I guess stealing and killing park birds is no big deal, right?
After all, once you've decided to completely ignore immigration law, no other law matters, right?
Obama did not in fact create that precedent. And Obama's argument, which nobody has disputed, is that Congress has not appropriated enough money to fully enforce the law. So a president who doesn't think he's a king who can do whatever he wants with appropriated money has to prioritize. And Obama reasonably de-prioritized people who illegally came to the U.S. as children and hadn't committed any other crime.
There was zero legal authority, none, to issue permission for such deferred illegals to work. Removal is not the problem. Executive discretion, based on available resources, remains a thing as you say.
You are incorrect. 8 U.S.C. § 1324a(h)(3)(B) authorizes aliens to work if the AG allows it. (That was passed before the government was reorganized post 9/11; the authority was delegated to INS, which is now USCIS, which is under DHS rather than DOJ. But the authority to issue the work authorization remains.)
The regulation governing this was originally at 8 C.F.R. § 109, but has since moved to 8 C.F.R. § 274a.12(c)(33).
Any alien, for any reason?
The statute imposes no restrictions. (I suspect that the courts would go all MQD if a Democratic administration tried to create some sort of blanket rule that all illegal immigrants can work here.)
If that was in fact his legal argument, it was absurd to the point of frivolousness. There is also insufficient money to solve every murder. (The current solve-rate is quite high as crimes go but it's still under 60%. The solve-rate for motor vehicle thefts is below 10%.) Does that mean the executive branch should or could simply declare that because they don't have enough money for a 100% solve rate they're not going to do anything?
There's never enough money for perfection.
You're on stronger ground with your argument about prioritization. But your other comments and cases you've cited remind us that it's Congress that's supposed to set that prioritization, not the executive.
There is insufficient money to collect all taxes. Thus, Trump should announce a total refusal to collect tax receipts. He has to prioritize things, after all.
What would that be prioritizing, exactly?
The Consumer Financial Protection Act is filled with "shall"s that impose requirements on the CFPB. A requisition of $0 would not allow the CFPB to conduct it's mandated activities.
This scenario is the reason that the CFPB Director is not allowed to be fired without cause.
Apparently they have more than $700 million available. Is there a reason to think that’s not enough?
The point of this post is a hypothetical scenario where the Director sabotages the CFPB by not requesting funding.
Better question: the CFPB has been very successful in protecting consumers from financial scams and illegal behavior, saving/refunding consumers $20 B. How does destroying the CFPB help the average American?
Edit: Musk is adding a peer-to-peer payments to X. That is why CFPB needs to go.
The $700 million certainly suggests that previous Directors have been asking for a lot more than what is "reasonably necessary."
“Asking” is the wrong word. By its funding structure “taking” is more accurate. Maybe even “grabbing”.
In the correct place this time: Obama/DACA created the precedent that clauses that say "shall" are in fact subject to the whims of the POTUS and the courts backed him on this one. At least for purposes of the US Code, "shall" means "if the President feels like it" ever since then. The Republicans aren't just going to ignore the trick that Democrats invented.
Do you have examples of when Obama directly violated federal law?
????
Literally the entire point of DACA was to ignore provisions that ordered the executive branch to do something with the word "shall." Just two examples are below, but review the publicly available briefings that were filed with the courts when DACA was still a live issue. DACA won, which means no law that directs the executive branch to do anything with the word "shall" has any bite.
8 U.S.C. § 1231(a)(1)(A) – Order of Removal and 90-Day Removal Period
Text:
"Except as otherwise provided in this section, when an alien is ordered removed, the Attorney General shall remove the alien from the United States within a period of 90 days."
8 U.S.C. § 1225(b)(2)(A) – Inspection and Removal of Inadmissible Aliens
Text:
"In the case of an alien who is an applicant for admission, if the examining immigration officer determines that an alien seeking admission is not clearly and beyond a doubt entitled to be admitted, the alien shall be detained for a proceeding under section 1229a of this title."
DACA was legal. Look it up. I thought it was not legal also till I looked into it.
This scenario is the reason that the CFPB Director is not allowed to be fired without cause.
Er, no.
Seila Law :
"The agency may therefore continue to operate, but its Director, in light of our decision, must be removable by the President at will."
The Director has mandatory statutory duties so he'd be unable to comply with the law if he requested no budget. I'm not sure who, if anyone, would have standing to mount a legal challenge.
Arguably, the only proper remedy is impeachment. That probably won't happen, but it seems that it would be legally available.
Actually, assuming that the Dems retake control of the House in 2026, which seems like a good bet, impeachment might well happen, but not conviction. The same as Mayorkas.
Someone could file a FOIA lawsuit. Although I'm not sure if this applies to CFPB, if the agency action is required as part of some statutory scheme, undue delay could also be challenged by the aggrieved party.
CFPB is pretty popular; banks and scammers are not. Not sure this one lasts that long as a matter of practical politics.
The vast majority of people don’t know what CFPB is or does.
Most people don’t know what most things are. But I think people will notice when it’s not as easy to fight their banks on some scammy behavior as it used to be.
More consumers know about the CFPB than one might think. The CFPB was instrumental in multiple instances of Wells Fargo malfeasance. The 2016 violations (secretly opening unauthorized deposit and credit card accounts, spurred by sales targets and compensation incentives) and the 2022 violations (illegally assessed fees on auto loans and mortgages, unlawfully repossessed vehicles, among other violations. The CFPB hit the bank with a $1.7 billion fine, plus a $2 billion charge for consumer redress).
Taken together, the 2016 & 2022 violations involved more than 18 million consumer accounts with Wells Fargo. The CFPB got money returned to consumers. Wells Fargo would have just scammed more otherwise.
The CFPB also does regular consent orders with bulk debt buyers, like Portfolio Recovery and Midland Funding. Those two buyers were running wild with no-doc/oos mass lawsuits in state courts before the CFPB.
"CFPB is pretty popular" - Objection - Facts not in evidence.
In my personal experience, very few people know what the CFPB is. Among the few who do, it is universally unpopular. It is duplicative of other regulatory and law enforcement agencies (which means its true successes would have been caught regardless). Worse, that's actually the minority of its activities. Mostly, it has generated opaque and sometimes contradictory rules that seem designed to trap good companies than to actually help consumers.
Josh says that the CFPB can "request" funding from the Federal Reserve. Is the Federal Reserve obliged to accede to that request ? And can the President instruct them to accede to it or not ?
If the Federal Reserve can decide this for itself, then Shirley the CFPB's constitutional issues are Johnny-Come-Latelies compared to those of the Fed.
So many formerly reasonable people, without thinking, are o.k. with dismantling the federal government. They never think about what the feds do or why they got involved in the first place.
“Don’t tear down that fence unless and until you know why it was put up.”
We can't even see the damn "fence."
If the bailey has grown so vast and so packed with moneychangers, footpads and dancing bears that you can no longer even see the motte, the time has come to lay about you with broadswords and with flaming brands. The chances of damaging anything useful are negligible.
Incoherent response.
Look up why this agency was set up. Come back when you’ve done that.
All but a handful of the Congresscritturs who voted this abhomination into existence were Democrats. Virtually all Republicans voted against and they have been trying to abolish it ever since.
Why would you imagine that everyone shares your opiinon that it's a good thing ? Trying stumbling out of your bubble occasionally.
Not incoherent (though it was very pleasantly obscure with its metaphor and allusions).
And to your comment, some of us do remember why the agency was set up, disagreed with that decision at the time, predicted its weaknesses and failures and are now feeling vindicated. The CFPB was set up by fear-monger Elizabeth Warren in response to the financial crises of the late 2000s. It was granted sweeping authority and unprecedented independence to regulate financial institutions even though the crises that were used as justification were failures of government far more often than failures of the financial institutions. It was scapegoating from day one.
CFPB has returned $21 B to consumers. It protects the American people from banking scams and excess fees.
Lol, the entire original metaphor is based on chastising the rash reformer because they can't see.
In fact not. The metaphor postulates a visible fence whose purpose is obscure to those who wish to pull it down. Not a pile of rubble under which some folk claim that there is a fence, currently invisible.
The CFPB will be more or less dead for at least the next four years.
Along with a number of other federal functions. If we’re lucky we’ll have a major disaster causing thousands of lives due to lack of federal response. Instead of lives lost or made miserable piecemeal.
Jesus. Are you okay dude?
And this is better than squandering FEMA resources on housing an and feeding illegals, so that when we actually have natural disasters, that the agency was supposed to help recover from, the agency was AWOL? With the massive flooding in the southeast last fall, pretty much the only thing that FEMA did was prevent individuals and private groups from helping the survivors and the cleanup. Aid did not really start flowing until Trump’s new FEMA Director was confirmed - 4-5 months late.
The Consumer Finance Protection Bureau was structured to give its director independence from the executive branch and Congress.
We love democracy! Until we don't.
"But that's The People putting it from easy manipulation by politicians!"
Not helping your case any. So we should send out a balanced budget amendment to see if The People like the idea of putting overspending and borrowing behind easy access by those same politicians?
"SHUT UP!", he explained.
Balanced budget amendment is impossible.
To start, it would be very difficult to enforce. What is the remedy for Congress ignoring the amendment? Can courts strike down the entire federal budget? That seems dubious. Or will it force the Government to default every time tax revenue was lower than expected? Smaller jurisdictions may survive with reserve funds (and they can also borrow indirectly in the form of federal grants), but I doubt that would work federally especially when the only solution is to raise more revenue, not suspend a statutory limit.
Almost everyone, both individual and corporate, has had some form of debt during their lives. So long as they don't default, debt is an essential part of economy. Both the national and global society rely on T-bonds being issued. And a country can only default when it wants to (or when it lacks control of its monetary policy). America is neither - for now.
I don't have a great answer, but that doesn't mean The People shouldn't try to force the politicians' hands.
What happens if the federal government defaults on loans, violating the Constitutional commandment that all federal debts shall remain valid? I.e. no bankruptcy for you?
Since debt is first among not-quite-equals, it shouldn't be an issue, especially because revenue can cover it and social security and defense without borrowing dime one.
I am against a balanced budget amendment.
There are balanced budget amendments in the states. A quick look also tells me certain countries have some form of them.
How are they enforced? In the U.S., it is referenced that states have the fallback of federal funds. Seems a limited means.
If we have a BBA, I think it is likely that mechanisms would be set up to limit expenses, including how administrative agencies spend their money. Some overall administrator might be in charge to do this. I don't think it will be meaningless though it likely will have opt-outs and workarounds.
Yeah, I like the idea of a balanced budget amendment but I haven't yet seen a workable proposal for how to make it actually happen.
Simply include a clause permitting the President to repudiate any debt incurred by the federal government prior to him taking office.
Likely to deter the moneylenders from funding unbalanced budgets.
At this point I don't see a controvery to draw the courts in. Once the $700 million is spent a CFPB employee might claim an interest getting a paycheck that doesn't bounce. Does the Administrative Procedure Act apply to intra-executive funding requests?
These disputes normally go to the MSPB, don't they? (Unless Trump flouted Humphrey's again, the board should have a Democratic majority until March. After that, Trump gets to flip one of the seats if Senate cooperates - or he could just not nominate anyone like in his first term, allowing Raymond Limon to serve until 2026.)
Please pass the popcorn.
Of course, it has no independence from Congress. Yes, it is not subject to the need for annual appropriations, but Congress at any time can restructure, defund, or eliminate it. (Or change the laws it enforces.)
so when JB says "Congress can't do a damn thing about it," he's wrong? My faith in him has taken a hit.
Why does such an agency need 3/4's of a BILLION dollars in a slush fund?
Does OMB head Vought read the Volokh Conspiracy? Because that's just what he did. He said that CFPB will rely on its $700 million in reserved funds for this quarter.
Congratulations on the WSJ callout!
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