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From My 'Commonplace Book,' No. 9: Thomas Mann, Richard Wagner, and Adolf Hitler
There's nothing like a look back at Germany in the 1930s to help us appreciate that things are not as bad as they could be
In February 1933, just a few weeks after Adolf Hitler was named Chancellor of Germany, the novelist Thomas Mann gave a lecture at the University of Munich on "The Sorrows and Grandeur of Richard Wagner" (based on an essay of the same name that was to appear shortly thereafter in a Berlin arts journal).[FN1] Mann, who was by then a major figure – possibly the major figure – in the German arts and literature community (and winner of the 1929 Nobel Prize in Literature), adored Wagner's operas, as the essay makes abundantly clear:
"A passion for Wagner's enchanted oeuvre has been a part of my life ever since I first became aware of it and set out to invest it with understanding. What it has given me in terms of enjoyment and understanding I can never forget . . . My curiosity about it has never flagged, and I never tire of listening to it, admiring it, following it . . ."
Much of the essay is similarly admiring, if not downright adulatory: Wagner's work was "elevated . . . far above the intellectual level of all previous forms of music drama"; his operas were "brilliant accomplishments . . . never before had such complex thoughts, such convoluted emotions, been sung or put into singable form"; Wagner was "one of those musicians who can persuade even the unmusical to listen to music . . . the man who redeemed opera through myth, without peer in his mental affinity with this other world of images and ideas, without peer in his ability to evoke myth and infuse it with new life"; his music "is, in a word, heavenly – and one uses the word without embarrassment, gushing though it may be, in the knowledge that music alone can elicit such an epithet . . . Music such as that which accompanies Siegfried's Rhine Journey, or the lament for the slain hero [in Wagner's Ring of the Nibelungen] had never before been heard. . . . It is hard to speak of these things when words are all one has to evoke them . . ."
Admiring and adulatory, but not, in Munich in 1933, admiring and adulatory enough.
Mann had dared to include some (gentle) criticism – "misgivings" he called them – regarding Wagner's works. "What I objected to, right from the beginning – or rather, what left me totally indifferent – was Wagner's theory," i.e., his views, expressed in dozens of prose works, on everything from the nature of artistic creation to the relationship between myth and human psychology, the role of religion in the State, "Jewish music," the essence of socialism, Greek drama, and his own role in perfecting the "Art Work of the Future." Not to mention a liberal sprinkling of truly repellant anti-Semitism.
There was, as Mann correctly pointed out, a great deal of utter nonsense in all of it; "I cannot understand," he wrote, "how anyone could take it seriously."
And he also pointed out – again, correctly, and insightfully – that Wagner's operas, with all their eroticism and incestuous longings and Oedipal conflicts and death wishes, were "fertile ground for Freudian psychoanalysis, even going so far as to suggest a "most extraordinary intuitive affinity" between Wagner and "that other characteristic son of the nineteenth century, Sigmund Freud."
This was dangerous stuff in Munich at the dawn of the thousand-year Reich. Wagner, of course, was already known to be a particular favorite of Adolf Hitler and the Nazi regime, and his music was already becoming an integral part of the soundtrack of the New Germany. Hitler was fond of saying "Whoever wants to understand National Socialist Germany must know Wagner," and Joseph Goebbels, another devoted Wagnerian who reportedly had seen over 100 performances of Wagner's Die Meistersinger, made sure that excerpts from Wagner's operas were played over the loudspeakers to the adoring crowds at Hitler's annual Nuremburg rallies and at other gatherings of the faithful.
So for Mann to even hint at an affinity between Wagner and a Jew like Siegmund Freud, or to suggest that the new "Jew science" of psychoanalysis could provide insights into Wagner's operas, was not a viewpoint in synch with the new cultural climate in Munich in 1933.
Virtually every leading figure in the entire artistic and intellectual community of Munich joined together in an Open Letter published on the front page of a Munich newspaper (entitled "A Protest from Richard Wagner's Own City of Munich") attacking Mann for his "aestheticism" and "cosmopolitanism" in having defamed, in their view, the "great embodiment of the German spirit":
"Now that the uprising of Germany as a nation has assumed stable institutional form [sic], it can no longer be regarded as an unwarranted diversion if we now address the public at large in order to protect the memory of that great German Master, Richard Wagner, against defamation. We regard Wagner as the musical-dramatic embodiment of the deepest German sensibilities, which we will not permit to be insulted by the kind of aestheticizing snobbery that finds such arrogant and pretentious expression in the addresses delivered by Herr Thomas Mann."[FN2]
Mann, who was out of the country on a lecture tour when the "Protest" was published, received multiple warnings from his children and friends back in Munich: "It is not safe for you here." Heeding their warnings, he stayed in exile abroad; though he lived for another two decades, he never set foot on German soil again.
In 1937 he returned to "the Wagner question" in a speech in Zurich, Switzerland commemorating the 50th anniversary of Wagner's death and a new production of Wagner's complete Ring of the Nibelungen operatic tetralogy at the Zurich Opera.
Mann's speech is one of the saddest and most poignant things I've ever read. By 1937 it had become clear to Mann, as to others, that 1933 had been just the beginning of something ghastly, and that Germany was in the grip of some evil madness of a kind never before seen. Germany! The very pinnacle of Western science and culture! The Germany of Beethoven and Goethe and Hegel, Kant and Heine, Schiller and Schopenhauer and Mendelssohn and Brahms, the Germany whose world-renowned universities were filled with dozens of great scientists and philosophers and thinkers – how could this Germany, Mann's Germany, have gone so terribly – so murderously – wrong?
And to make it all worse, the lunatics in charge of it all claimed that they were taking their cues from Wagner, that they were the inheritors of Wagner's torch, that Wagner and his legacy belonged to them.
It must have been excruciatingly painful for Mann, who was as German as German could be, to be driven from his home just as the madness was beginning, and to have to watch it happen.
In his speech, Mann insists that Wagner was part of his Germany, not theirs. He derived the true greatness of Germany from what he called the "coming together of the two mighty and contradictory manifestations of the eclectic German spirit," Wagner and Goethe:
"… the Nordic-musical versus the Mediterranean-sculptural, the lowering-moralistic versus the European. Germany as all-powerful feeling and Germany as mind and civilization perfected. For we, of course, are both: Wagner and Goethe, Germany is both of these. They are the ultimate names for the two souls within our breast. . ."
He did not have to spell out for his listeners that the Nazis, in their devotion to their version of Wagner-ism, had destroyed the balance by throwing Goethe and that side of the German character completely overboard.
And their version of Wagner was, in any event, a "despicable plagiarism"; they had missed the whole point:
"When I spoke at the beginning [of my talk] of the mischievous abuse to which the great phenomenon of Wagner lends itself, I knew that I would have to come back to this at some stage; for it is impossible to speak of Wagner today without voicing a protest against such abuse. Wagner as the artistic prophet of a political present that would like to mirror itself in him? Well, more than one prophet has turned away in horror when he saw his prophecies come true, choosing to die in self-imposed exile rather than be buried in the place where his predictions were realized….
But it would be an affront to the best that is in us to countenance any talk here of 'realization', even in a grotesquely caricatured form. Volk and sword and myth and Nordic hero-worship: on certain lips these are despicable plagiarisms, purloined from the vocabulary of Wagner's artistic idiom. By his creation of an art intoxicated with the past and the future, the author of the Ring did not transcend the age of bourgeois culture in order to exchange bourgeois values for a totalitarianism that destroys mind and spirit. The German spirit signified everything to him, the German state nothing. . .
In the Ring he shows us the evil power of gold, and he leads the lust for power to the point where it turns and renounces its way, so that it cannot choose but to love the free spirit that destroys it. His true prophecy is … the heavenly melody that rises from the burning citadel of worldly dominion at the end of Gotterdammerung …"
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One final thought.
To avoid any possibility of misunderstanding, let me make it as clear as I can: I do not think that Donald Trump is Adolf Hitler, or that the Republican Party is dominated by Nazis. I am aware that 2025 is not 1933. I am not, obviously, Thomas Mann, nor do I have any reason to believe that I will be driven into exile any time soon.
But Mann's predicament, and his response to his predicament, moved me much more than I had expected, resonating far more deeply with me than it would have 10 or 20 years ago. I suspect that is because his situation bears at least a structural similarity to where I find myself these days.
As it happens, I'm writing these words at the very moment the U.S. Senate is - seriously - considering the nomination of a B-List television celebrity to oversee our nation's mighty military armada and nuclear arsenal. There is a craziness afoot – how else can one explain it? Our country – the very pinnacle of Western science and culture! – appears to have gone off the rails, to have lost its balance. It looks, as it looked to Mann, as though one side of what we might call our "national character," one "grotesquely caricatured" version of who we are and what we stand for and why we were great in the first place, has taken power, and views this as an opportunity to rampage through and destroy as many of the pre-existing institutions as they can.
I don't know about you, but it certainly makes me think about what the world looked like to people in 1933. And to wonder: What will this moment look like to us three or four years down the road, as we look backwards to 2025? Not, surely, as grim as what Mann was looking at in 1937 - but how close will we be?
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Footnote 1
The essay, and the other writings referenced in this posting, are reprinted in "Thomas Mann: Pro and Contra Wagner" (U Chicago Press 1985).
Footnote 2
The "Open Letter" had over 50 signatories, including Munich's two most celebrated musicians, the composers Richard Strauss and Hans Pfizner; the Musical Directors of the Munich State Opera, the Bavarian State Opera, the Munich Orchestra, and the Munich State Theater; several government ministers and members of the Reichstag; the President of the Academy of Fine Arts; the publishers of several of Munich's leading newspapers; and dozens of professors at the University of Munich.
And the reference to Wagner's "Richard Wagner's Own City of Munich" is an unintendedly ironic touch. It is true that Wagner spent a considerable amount of time in Munich, largely because it was the seat of Wagner's great patron, King Ludwig II of Bavaria. But in spite (or because?) of that, he detested the city, and the feeling was, for the most part, mutual. The Munich Establishment has always had a very powerful Roman Catholic cast, and they were unified in their disapproval of Wagner's scandalous behavior – which included, for most of the time that Wagner was in Munich, openly cohabiting with Cosima von Bulow, the then-wife of Hans von Bulow, one of Germany's leading orchestra conductors and a man with whom Wagner frequently worked. Wagner was twice driven out of Munich – once by a coordinated press campaign attacking his extravagant use of public funds, once by angry creditors who had obtained a writ of attachment on his personal property in the city and were seeking an arrest warrant. Wagner, for his part, thought the Münchners small-minded and provincial, unappreciative of his genius; it was why he maneuvered for 20 years or so to ensure that his great Festival would not be held, as the King had hoped, in Munich but in Bayreuth.
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One can always count on Post to be even more hysterical than Somin!
Its going to be a long 4 years You need to pace yourself.
Interestingly there are zero historical examples of a regime beginning murderous atrocities by excluding millions of people from the benefits of citizenship, nor are there any examples of people calling critics of such regimes hysterical.
"Excluding millions of people from the benefits of citizenship"
They excluded themselves. If they wanted the benefits of citizenship they should have immigrated legally.
Americans born here should have legally immigrated to America? How’s that work?
Intentionally misreading something and then pretending to not understand is neither endearing nor persuasive.
Well what did you mean because Trump is going after birthright citizenship. So I don’t understand how someone born here can “exclude themselves” by not immigrating here, because they already live here.
And leave it to Bob from Ohio to be the first to post something with no valvuable content in it at all.
Well put, Prof. Post.
P.S. On the top of Wagner, I'm reminded of what Mark Twain said about him. "He's not as bad as he sounds."
Since every republican President and candidate for the past decades has been as bad, 10x as bad, or almost as bad as Hitler according to progs I guess they think Hitler wasn't all that bad.
By this logic conservatives not only don’t think Stalin or Mao were bad…they also don’t think Hitler was either!
I haven't heard even conservatives comparing Dem Presidents to Stalin or Mao at anywhere near the rate leftists compare Republicans to hitler.
1) well that’s super incorrect because it was very common to compare Obama to Stalin, Mao, and Hitler. I assume you’re either 12 or are super disingenuous.
2) one problem for the right is that since Hitler and National Socialism were extreme right-wing movements they’ll inevitably get a lot of comparisons because they’ll do similar things or have similar thoughts!
Driving along one day in 2009 I saw a demonstration on the side of the road with Obama depicted as Hitler. It was ridiculous but typical of the vicious right-wing hatred directed at our first black President, for so little reason.
"Hitler and National Socialism were extreme right-wing movements"
Right-wing?
Well they emphasized autarky, traditional values, traditional gender roles, returning to supposedly more heroic romantic past, were irredentist, militaristic, anti-immigration, anti-socialist, and anti-communist. (Sound familiar?)
They were placed in power by the German conservatives and monarchists.
Their puppet/allied European governments (like Vichy France, Croatia under the Ustashe regime, Hungary under Horthy and later the Arrow Cross, Czechoslovakia under Tiso) were all right wing and sometimes supported by conservative elements of the Catholic Church.
Far right parties today, including AfD have ties to Neo-Nazi groups. And if that weren’t enough People who identify or sympathize with fascist generally but specifically with National Socialism identify themselves as 1) opposed to leftism and liberalism 2) explicitly place themselves on the right.
Plus there’s all the historians of Germany, WWII, the holocaust, and fascism who have placed the movement on the right, along with political scientists who have identified the same.
So yeah pretty safe to put them on the extreme right any way you look at it
You've apparently missed the constant Republican and "conservative" talking point about our culture being in the death grip of "cultural Marxism," whatever that cobbled together concept means, when discussing Democratic policies.
https://reason.com/volokh/2024/12/06/did-president-obama-say-the-election-proved-that-democracy-is-pretty-far-down-on-peoples-priority-list/?comments=true#comment-10827611
Bored Lawyer 1 month ago
[Obama is] Impressive in the Joe Stalin meaning of impressive.
https://reason.com/volokh/2025/01/20/monday-open-thread-89/?comments=true#comment-10875328
F.D. Wolf 12 hours ago
As Biden &c. desperately try to bury the truth of January 6 and the Stalinist lawfare campaign against Trump
Mostly what I think happened is that every Republican president since Bush sr. has been worse than the last.
Quite true, when you look at the facts.
If it's any consolation, Robert Strange McNamara probably looked like a genius pick for SecDef, and turned out to be ... really, really bad. LBJ horribly mismanaged the Vietnam War.
Every nascent pandemic *could* be the next Black Death, but few actually are.
The next four years may be really, really bad, but we might muddle through as well.
What I think is worse than any individual office holder is the mindset that the other side is evil.
For a good picture of 1933 Germany almost in real time, I highly recommend The Oppermanns by Lion Feuchtwanger. Unfortunately, the author, while quite perceptive about the Nazis, allowed his revulsion to damage his own moral compass, as he threw in whole-heartedly with Stalinism.
His is a good lesson for both sides in our current situation.
Seems like the German intelligentsia treated Mann the same way today's professoriate has treated Amy Wax. Fascist to the core, today's professors.
Amy Wax is a self-proclaimed racist. There's no reason she should be protected for that behavior as a law professor.
compare:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_Lessing
Prof. X says something we really don't like. This makes it OK for us to:
- hound Prof. X from the university
- make physical threats against Prof. X
- when we take over the government, declare Prof. X a criminal and "announce a reward for his capture"
- assassinate Prof. X
What's fascist about any of that, right SkippingDog?!
I don’t agree with that reasoning, being a free speech absolutist, but I guess Prof. Post does. Qui tacet consentire videtur.
"As it happens, I'm writing these words at the very moment the U.S. Senate is - seriously - considering the nomination of a B-List television celebrity to oversee our nation's mighty military armada and nuclear arsenal."
You could have said "decorated former military officer," "combat veteran," or "best-selling public policy author," but you didn't. At least you didn't have to say "former Raytheon board member" like you would have for the last four years.
"You could have said "decorated former military officer who landed TV gigs," "combat veteran who later did broadcast commentary on defense issues ," or "best-selling public policy author," but you didn't."
If appearing on television per se were an indication of insufficient character, maybe the point could stand, and Hegseth could join Dan Rather or Helen Thomas in ignominy.
Well said.
You might want to check Mike Esper's position before Trump appointed him Secretary of the Army in 2017 (then to SecDef in 2019).
Populism is *always* a reaction to elitism. Whether we're talking about leftist populism or right-wing populism, 1933 or 2024, populism is always about "the people" following someone who is accusing the institutions and the establishment of elitism. And is it really too hard to identify the wellspring of elitism that sprang forth during and in the wake of the Obama administration?
Elitism was inflicting pandemic rules on those who didn't want them--even as they lost their jobs because of those rules. Elitism equated funding the police with racism, and it equated a fair shot for women athletes with homophobia. Elitism said that caring more about your family's current standard of living than climate change and future generations meant that you were stupid and evil.
Isn't it interesting that as Davos is getting under way, today, America's elites are attending Trump's inauguration this time around? From Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion to Net-Zero, the push for all of that elitism originated in Davos! I find it a relief to see that Tim Cook, Elon Musk, Zuck, et. al. seem to be finally "getting it".
The elite should want the average American to believe that the elite are on their side. That's how you avoid populism. The story of how Trump--a billionaire playboy casino magnate with a foreign trophy wife--came to be seen as the hero of the American blue collar working class is as instructive as it is amazing.
Trump's rise was a direct result of elitists in the media damning him as deplorable. The elite damning Trump for saying what average Americans were thinking is the very source of his power. If only the elitists hadn't lived in delusion of where the Overton Window really was, we might have avoided Trumps' first term and his second. Alienating the average American by labeling them all as racist, homophobic, misogynistic, xenophobic, uneducated idiots is what makes Populism happen.
When the elite, the establishment, the institutions, and the media treat average working people with contempt, those people do not turn their backs on homophobia, misogyny, xenophobia, or racism. Instead, "the people" turn their backs on the elite, the establishment, the institutions, etc. Every couple of generations, the Democrats seem to lose sight of this. They turn on the Midwestern blue collar workers that should be their bread and butter. It always ends in tears.
Last time, Clinton had to execute a man with brain damage in order to prove that he was "tough on crime". It's scary to think what the next Democrat will need to do in order to regain some credibility with average American workers in Midwestern swing states.
Really amazing stuff. The overall point seems coherent. But there is scarcely a sentence in it that isn't either wrong, or looks like it wandered in from somewhere else without explanation.
Show me one that's wrong.
Populism always sets itself against elites.
It's rare for it to actually raised up anyone but a new, less scrupulous elite.
You seem quite fooled.
I'm not fooled at all, but there are a lot of people who seem to be mystified about where populism comes from and why.
"There is a craziness afoot – how else can one explain it? Our country – the very pinnacle of Western science and culture! – appears to have gone off the rails, to have lost its balance."
Did you read that part in the article above? There isn't anything hard to understand about elitist contempt for average people being the source of populism. And just because I didn't want Trump to be president, doesn't mean I have to pretend I don't understand why he is president.
No one who studies history is mystified by where populism comes from.
Are you familiar with the term "Reagan Democrats".
The explanation for why those people in Michigan and elsewhere in the Midwest voted for Reagan in 1980 and 1984 is the same as the explanation for why blue-collar workers in those same states voted for Trump in 2016 and 2024.
When the elitists in the Democratic party lose sight of their bread and butter in the Midwest, they lose. And they lost until they got a Southerner from Arkansas on the top of the ticket.
Ken White (Popehat) has a to-the-point observation on populism:
That’s the genuine danger of populism. Successful populists typically lead their followers from envy to fear to anger, nearly always relying on the continuous generation of pit-of-the-stomach, emotional fears to identify a scapegoat—an other to blame for their followers’ problems.
Through much of the 20th century, the scapegoats of Leftist populism (look up Cross of Gold speech) were the privileged elites of Washington and Big Business, and racial minorities or immigrants. Later 20th century Hard Right populism kept those scapegoats, while adding fear of socialism, envy/disdain of academic and scientific elites, and amplified racism/xenophobia generating fear of being numerically overwhelmed by some alien other (Great Replacement Theory).
It’s taken a while, but in the 21st century under Trump, the R’s completed their decades-long evolution from the three-legged stool (of Business, Social, and National Security conservatives), to a bouncing, erratic, social conservative pogo-stick of full, unreasoned, mob-based populism.
MAGA populism's dangerous anger and rage kept growing, especially as his followers realized his impossible promises weren’t being kept, culminating with January 6th, 2020—just one example of how the R’s came to favor populistCaudillo authoritarianism (what St. Augustine called it the libido dominante (lust to dominate and downfall of The City of Man), over representative democracy.
Because of the inevitable reliance on emotion, versus reason, I’ll never fully trust or vote for a genuine populist of whatever political persuasion.
Popehat is often full of awesome.
I would never say I'd never vote for a populist, but it would be a hard sell. Could I say I'd never vote for Andrew Jackson or either of the Roosevelts? Probably.
If I were to vote for a populist, it would need to be for the lesser of two populist evils. I should add that I would vote against elitists.
Was Reagan a populist? He definitely railed against the elites in Washington and elsewhere, and he won the votes of the Reagan Democrats in that George Meany kind of way. So, I guess it's possible to take a populist stance against the elite and not be awful--especially when the elite really are unaccountable and out of control.
When I think of Reagan, I think of him using the fruits of whatever measure of populism to slash taxes and regulation and push the USSR over the edge. When I think of Jackson, I think of "Indian" removal and going after the national bank. When I think of the Roosevelts, I think of American imperialism and replacing representative government with bureaucracy. Maybe a lot of this is about hindsight being 20/20, but I think I could vote for that anti-elitist Reagan, even if he did lean into a bit of populism sometimes.
Hmmm. How about...all successful demagogic populists are charismatic, but not all charismatic populists are full-on, rage-inducing demagogues?
The charismatic TR, for example, was a proud Progressive (as contemporaneously, not currently, defined) but given the standards of the times, did not incite the same scapegoat-blaming populist rage as say, Trump.
Neither did Reagan, though with his actor’s skill in code-switching before anyone had come up with that name, he certainly had no issue with exploiting existing cultural populism and anti-elitism.
As the Republican nominee for president in 1980, Reagan held his Aug. 3 Philadelphia Mississippi campaign rally at the Neshoba County Fair—near the site of the brutal 1964 murders of young Freedom Summer civil rights activists, James Chaney, Michael Schwerner and Andrew Goodman.
The theme of that famous States Rights speech had long been fully understood by his Southern audience as code for the good old days of segregation and Jim Crow, very much including all three waves of KKK domestic terrorism.
I don't disagree there's some Potter Stewart I know it when I see it involved, but when given a specific "choice of two evils," it's usually not that hard to see.
You could have said "decorated former military officer," "combat veteran," or "best-selling public policy author," but you didn't. At least you didn't have to say "former Raytheon board member" like you would have for the last four years.
Symptomatic, I suppose, that a MAGA acolyte denigrates the one credential which is potentially qualifying, but bruits 3 potential alternatives which taken together amount to a resume about right to qualify a warehouse manager, if it's a small warehouse. That's if you omit, "best-selling public policy author," which is mostly a disqualification for any job except composing another screed.
Then the guy desperate to get the warehouse job filled, says to his assistant, "Maybe he'll do. Check him out and see if any problems turn up."
"What will this moment look like to us three or four years down the road, as we look backwards to 2025? Not, surely, as grim as what Mann was looking at in 1937 - but how close will we be?"
Too f---ing close!
I'm not saying that Trump is Hitler. I'm just saying that he is an awful lot like Hitler.
Some FWIW comment
1. Rossini describe Wagner as having great moments but dreadful quarter-hours. He also said of Lohengrin, "this is not a work that can be judged on a first hearing, and I have no intention of hearing it again." (And really off the subject, but sticking to Rossini quotes, he attended Meyerbeer's funeral, at which a specially composed funeral march was being played. The composer came up to ask Rossini his opinion. Rossini replied, "it would have been better if you had died and Meyerbeer composed a march.)
2. My grandmother once attended a lecture by Thomas Mann where he read out some of the draft of his latest novel, The Magic Mountain.
Appreciate the Post. I have also tended to think that America has shared two cultures, each of which thinks of itself as the only America and the other as something alien. But the real America consists of a fragile balance or cohabitation between both of them, each tempering the other. If one of them goes completely, America goes with it. For decades we’ve seen the two try to slaughter each other, and this is what we’ve got.
The right wing and the left wing belong to the same bird.