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"FIRE to Defend Veteran Pollster J. Ann Selzer in Trump Lawsuit over Outlier Election Poll"
Just saw this announcement from FIRE; very glad to hear it. I copy below my explanation from Dec. 18 for why I think Trump's claim is unsound.
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[The] Complaint in this case essentially alleges that pollster Ann Selzer's Nov. 2 poll for the Des Moines Register, which showed Harris ahead in Iowa by 3 points, was deceptive to consumers and thus violated Iowa consumer fraud law:
62. President Trump, together with all Iowa and American voters, is a "consumer" within the meaning of the statute.
63. Defendants furnished "merchandise" to consumers within the broad meaning of the statute since they provided a service: physical newspapers, online newspapers, and other content that contained the Harris Poll.
64. Defendants engaged in "deception" because the Harris Poll was "likely to mislead a substantial number of consumers as to a material fact or facts," to wit: the actual position of the respective candidates in the Iowa Presidential race.
65. Defendants engaged in an "unfair act or practice" because the publication and release of the Harris Poll "cause[d] substantial, unavoidable injury to consumers that [was] not outweighed by any consumer or competitive benefits which the practice produced," to wit: consumers, including Plaintiff, were badly deceived and misled as to the actual position of the respective candidates in the Iowa Presidential race. Moreover, President Trump, the Trump 2024 Campaign, and other Republicans were forced to divert enormous campaign and financial resources to Iowa based on the deceptive Harris Poll. Consumers within Iowa who paid for subscriptions to the Des Moines Register or who otherwise purchased the publication were also badly deceived. Additionally, Iowans who contributed to the Trump 2024 Campaign were similarly deceived.
66. The Harris Poll was deceptive and misleading, unfair, and the result of concealment, suppression, and omission of material facts about the true respective positions of President Trump and Harris in the Presidential race, all of which were known to Defendants and should have been disclosed to the public.
67. Moreover, as demonstrated by the leak of the Harris Poll before publication in the Register Article, Defendants created, published, and released the Harris Poll for the improper purpose of deceptively influencing the outcome of the 2024 Presidential Election….
I'm far from sure that, as a statutory matter, the Iowa consumer fraud law should be interpreted as applying to allegedly deceptive informational content of a newspaper, untethered to attempts to sell some other product. But in any event, the First Amendment generally bars states from imposing liability for misleading or even outright false political speech, including in commercially distributed newspapers—and especially for predictive and evaluative judgments of the sort inherent in estimating public sentiment about a candidate. To quote the Washington Court of Appeals in WASHLITE v. Fox News, where plaintiff unsuccessfully sued Fox for allegedly false statements about COVID,
[T]he Supreme Court in U.S. v. Alvarez (2012) disavowed the principle that false expressions in general receive a lesser degree of constitutional protections simply by virtue of being false. The court stated that its precedent restricting the value or protections afforded objectively false statements
all derive from cases discussing defamation, fraud, or some other legally cognizable harm associated with a false statement, such as an invasion of privacy or the costs of vexatious litigation. In those decisions the falsity of the speech at issue was not irrelevant to our analysis, but neither was it determinative. The Court has never endorsed the categorical rule the Government advances: that false statements receive no First Amendment protection.
The court went on to explain that,
[w]ere the Court to hold that the interest in truthful discourse alone is sufficient to sustain a ban on speech, absent any evidence that the speech was used to gain a material advantage, it would give government a broad censorial power unprecedented in this Court's cases or in our constitutional tradition.
WASHLITE's allegations that the challenged statements are false and recklessly made simply cannot overcome the protections afforded speech on matters of public concern under the First Amendment, even in the face of the State's undoubtedly compelling interest in the public dissemination of accurate information regarding threats to public health.
The First Amendment's guarantee of free speech does not extend only to categories of speech that survive an ad hoc balancing of relative social costs and benefits. The First Amendment itself reflects a judgment by the American people that the benefits of its restrictions on the Government outweigh the costs. Our Constitution forecloses any attempt to revise that judgment simply on the basis that some speech is not worth it.
United States v. Stevens (2010).
"If there is a bedrock principle underlying the First Amendment, it is that the government may not prohibit the expression of an idea simply because society finds the idea itself offensive or disagreeable." Texas v. Johnson (1989). Although WASHLITE pursues the meritorious goal of ensuring that the public receives accurate information about the COVID-19 pandemic, the challenged statements do not fall within the narrow exceptions to the First Amendment's protections. We affirm the trial court's conclusion that, however laudable WASHLITE's intent, its CPA claim is barred by the First Amendment.
The same logic applies here, I think. To be sure, as WASHLITE and Alvarez noted, there are some historically recognized exceptions to First Amendment protection for knowing falsehoods, such as for defamation, fraud, and perjury. But those are deliberately exceptions. Defamation is limited to knowing (or sometimes negligent) falsehoods that damage a particular person's reputation. Fraud is limited to statements that themselves request money or other tangibly valuable items. Perjury is limited to lies under oath in governmental proceedings. There is no general government power to punish political falsehoods outside these narrow exceptions.
In addition to the Alvarez plurality statements cited by the Washington court, note that five Justices and three dissenting Justices in Alvarez agreed that
[T]here are broad areas in which any attempt by the state to penalize purportedly false speech would present a grave and unacceptable danger of suppressing truthful speech…. Laws restricting false statements about philosophy, religion, history, the social sciences, the arts, and the like raise such concerns, and in many contexts have called for strict scrutiny. But this case does not involve such a law.
That's from Justice Breyer's two-Justice concurrence, but Justice Alito's three-Justice dissent took the same view, adding "The point is not that there is no such thing as truth or falsity in these areas or that the truth is always impossible to ascertain, but rather that it is perilous to permit the state to be the arbiter of truth." I think this logic applies to media decisions about how to predict the likely results of an election (again, outside the narrow exceptions noted above). And while some old decisions have upheld state laws focused on knowing falsehoods in election campaigns, post-Alvarez state and federal appellate cases have struck down even such specially targeted laws.
I should note that, when it comes to over-the-air broadcasting, the Court has left the Federal Communications Commission more latitude to restrict speech than the government has with regard to books, films, the Internet, and even cable television. Thus, the Court has upheld the Fairness Doctrine and the ban on broadcasting certain vulgarities. Lower courts have likewise allowed some policing by the FCC of alleged "distortion," see, e.g., Serafyn v. FCC (D.C. Cir. 1998). And the FCC has a specific "broadcast hoaxes rules" barring the publication of knowingly "false information concerning a crime or a catastrophe," if the information foreseeably "cause[s] substantial public harm."
But fortunately, in recent years the FCC has recognized the dangers of policing speech this way, whether in the service of trying to restrict disfavored views or supposed misinformation. The case involving the Washington Redskins is one example; the FCC there recognized that the Court's decision upholding the viewpoint-neutral restrictions on sex- and excretion-related vulgarities in Pacifica couldn't be extended to allegedly bigoted words, which would be punished precisely because of their supposed viewpoints. The FCC commissioners' statements quoted above support this as well, as does the FCC's 2020 decision related to the broadcast hoaxes rule:
[T]he Commission does not—and cannot and will not—act as a self-appointed, free-roving arbiter of truth in journalism. Even assuming for the sake of argument that Free Press's assertions regarding any lack of veracity were true, false speech enjoys some First Amendment protection, and section 326 of the Communications Act, reflecting First Amendment values, prohibits the Commission from interfering with freedom of the press or censoring broadcast communications. Accordingly, the Commission has recognized that "[b]roadcasters—not the FCC or any other government agency—are responsible for selecting the material they air" and that "our role in overseeing program content is very limited."
On the Court, Justices Thomas and Ginsburg had also suggested that it was unsound to offer lesser First Amendment protection to broadcasting; I expect that, if the issue were to come before the Court today, Red Lion and Pacifica would at least be sharply limited and perhaps overruled altogether.
In any event, whatever the status of this special treatment of FCC regulation of over-the-air broadcasting, it has always been understood as limited to such broadcasters, and as not extending to newspapers. And even as to over-the-air broadcasting, it never been extended to allow state law to be used to restrict supposed political misinformation, including on broadcasting networks.
(Note that this post is adapted from a Nov. 1 post about Trump v. CBS Broadcasting, a case in which Trump is suing CBS over its editing of the Harris 60 Minutes interview; the analysis in both situations, I think, is quite similar.)
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I would feel differently if FIRE had defended Rudi Gilaini or any of the other victims of the Orangeman Bad lawfare.
I don’t like to dunk on people for typos (especially the one who provide so much more substantive material) but… come on!
They might have done if Giuliani had had a case. A nonprofit like the FIRE can’t just throw money away.
You can say ‘the election was rigged by the Dems/Deep State/China’ all you want and it’s not illegal.
But if you say ‘A and B did such-and-such to steal the election on such and such date’ and you know it’s BS, that’s defamation.
Trump was smart enough not to cross that line. Giuliani wasn’t.
That may be the case, but the Due Process Clause still requires that damages be proportionate to the harm suffered.
The plaintiffs were deluged with death threats and ended up having to move so significant damages were warranted and I think punitives were justified too. But Ten Jillion Dollars was probably too much.
However, as you note, “Giuliani was liable for defamation but the award’s excessive” isn”t an argument that implicates his free speech rights.
Good to know that the First Amendment bars liability for misleading or even outright false political speech. Now somebody tell the federal court that convicted Douglass Mackey. Actually not really an apt comparison, at least factually. Mackey was obviously joking. Selzer was likely just being paid to lie. But let's put the conspiracy against rights charge at issue in Mackey on standby for the lawfare hacks in the Biden administration.
The problem with this argument (aside from its being an even worse nonsequitur than Dr. Ed’s) is that the jury found that Mackey specifically intended to prevent people from voting. You can of course disagree with the jury’s interpretation of the evidence (though I suspect there may be some motivated reasoning going on), but that doesn’t make it a constitutional issue.
There are plenty of constitutional issues--first of all, the law, as applied didn't give fair notice as to what is legal and what is not. Second, there's the obvious free speech issue. Third, "prevent people from voting"--he used no force, didn't commit fraud etc. etc. Rather, the correct way to characterize it is that he intended to fool people into not voting.
Well, we don't know what Selzer's motives/intent were. Let's investigate, shall we? Was it to fool enough potential Trump voters to impact the election?
I figured that Selzer just made a mistake. But it is really strange that she has no explanation. If she were honest, she would want to figure out how a poll could be so wrong. If she is able to come up with a reasonable explanation, that should get her out of the lawsuit.
If the government is going to put people through the process . . . ., then we cannot unilaterally disarm. Let Selzer explain herself, under oath, and we'll see if she is fine.
My guess is that if she had an explanation, she would have given it already.
Once again: the explanation is "That's what the people who responded to the poll said."
She gave the explanation: had she recall weighted, Trump would have been +6.
Now she can repeat that explanation, under oath, in court, at her expense, with her lawyer at her side.
She will not, of course, need to do any such thing. "I lied and fabricated the poll result because FYTW" would be equally valid as an explanation, legally. Trump's suit fails to state anything remotely resembling any cause of action and is 1000% frivolous.
Commenter is just fully into Trump the authoritarian these days?
"Now she can repeat that explanation, under oath, in court, at her expense, with her lawyer at her side."
Why do you surmise that this lawsuit can survive a motion to dismiss for failure to state a claim upon which relief can be granted?
But that's not actually an explanation. (I reiterate that no explanation is needed, mathematically or legally.) Simply saying, "If I had weighted differently, the results would be different," is a tautology.
I'd agree with you--pre Massey prosecution.
Did you mean Mackey? His statements were knowing lies on when and where to vote. A poll is far different even if it were an intentional lie (it wasn't).
David, it isn't a tautology to say why the poll grossly overestimated Harris. Some weighting choices might have further overestimated her, so it isn't about just any old weighting. Moreover, it was a priori clear that recall weighting was an issue with pollsters who recalled weighted showing Trump doing better.
I don't know what that has to do with the price of tea in China. Even if lying about a random thing were equivalent to lying about when and how to vote, this is not a criminal prosecution for violating the statute that Mackey was convicted of violating. It's a civil suit based on a state law that doesn't apply.
Fool potential Trump voters how?
Was the plan Selzer shows Trump polling within the margin of error in a state that has roughly 0.00000% chance of being decisive; despite Trump having tons of great polls in the states that do matter this one poll in Iowa makes his supporters so depressed they don’t bother to vote and Harris wins in a landslide?
Ok, I take it back. You convinced me. That’s a *frighteningly* plausible scenario.
So, criminal charges that violate the constitution are cured by a jury verdict of guilty? Thanks for letting me know.
Riva, what do you claim is constitutionally infirm about the prosecution of Mr. Mackey?
I'm looking over the docket sheet in the district court, but it would be helpful to know what in particular you are kvetching about.
For starters, there's a notice issue. Second, he didn't violate anyone's rights.
Here is the District Court's memorandum and order denying the accused's motion to dismiss the indictment. https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nyed.459733/gov.uscourts.nyed.459733.54.0_1.pdf The Court deals with the fair notice issue thoroughly.
A different district judge presided at trial, and the memorandum decision and order denying the defendant's posttrial motions to set aside the verdict or for new trial includes further discussion of the fair notice issue. https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nyed.459733/gov.uscourts.nyed.459733.174.0.pdf
In a conspiracy prosecution under 18 U.S.C. § 241, the government is not required to show that any intended victim's federal rights were in fact violated. The agreement to do so is the gravamen of the inchoate offense. IOW, the prosecution need not show that the conspirators actually achieved their conspiratorial objective.
The statute seems to say otherwise, and it doesn't matter. Sending out a meme like that not only didn't violate anyone's rights, it couldn't violate anyone's rights. And no, the court doesn't. This case is BS. Everyone involved with the prosecution should go to prison.
The actual evidence at the actual trial heard by the actual jury showed that he was not in fact joking, "obviously" or otherwise. But bot is programmed to simply repeat what was fed to it from social media.
BS lawsuit. Trump knows it and doesn’t care.
The FIRE’s right that it’s a SLAPP but Iowa doesn’t have an anti-SLAAP law. If it did the case never would have been filed.
Filing BS lawsuits to harass is on-brand for Trump but getting soaked for the other guy’s attorney fees is not.
The process is the punishment, I agree.
And just like Cheney, because it hurt Trump's porcelain ego, you're perfectly ok with it.
Which is why Rule 11 was created. Way underenforced, IMO.
Just like the lawsuits filed against gun manufacturers under consumer protection laws. They know they're BS, but the point is to make them spend money defending it.
I'm not actually sure that your last proposition is true; it gives more credit to Trump's strategic thinking than he deserves. Your claim that "getting soaked for the other guy’s attorney fees is not" on-brand for Trump is outdated. When he was merely a failed businessman, maybe. But as a politician, he doesn't mind getting sanctioned, because it's not actually his money. It's his gullible acolytes'.
The harassment/intimidation value of the case is also a lot less if you can just get it knocked out with an anti-SLAAP motion. But it’s possible I’m overthinking.
So you're fine with outright fraud so long as it's fraud in support of your political side. Got it.
This isn't a case of being a bit off or making some sort of mistake. The error was impossibly huge and easily knowable if she actually cared about the truth.
There is no evidence of fraud. You seem fine with bullshit so long as it's in support of owning the libs.
"impossibly huge" is not evidence of fraud. Rather the opposite.
1) Lying about a poll result is not "fraud."
2) There is no evidence that there was any lie.
Correct.
Let’s say Dave Dingleberry and Betsy Blow are running for President. I’m a pollster and I put out a press release saying “according to a poll of a representative sample of 500 Iowa voters, if the election were held today 47 percent of Iowans would vote for Betsy Blow and 44 percent would vote for Dave Dingleberry.” Let’s say other polls show Dave Dingleberry leading in Iowa by 10+ points.
And let’s further say I never conducted any poll. Press release is a total lie, I just put it out because I hate Dave Dingleberry and I want to screw with him.
Have I defamed anyone? No. It’s a statement about what 500 random Iowans said in response to a hypothetical survey question. It doesn’t hurt Dave Dingleberry’s reputation.
Have I defrauded anyone? Well, if anyone paid me to conduct a legit poll then I might have defrauded them. But I didn’t defraud members of the public; among many issues there’s no detrimental reliance. There’s no harmful action anyone’s going to take or not take based on one weird poll result that shows an Iowa as a tossup where other polls show Dave Dingleberry with a lead.
Mission creep from FIRE. What's the "E" stand for again?
Conquests Second Law of Politics seems applicable as well.
Expression = E
Mission creep from FIRE. What's the "E" stand for again?
Expression. Apparently you missed the news from a few years ago.
History
Oh, I know about the change. Its so recent they have a logo in their "About" section with the "in Education" lined through.
They literally said "expanded its mission", so "mission creep" is totally accurate. In 10 years they will just be a smaller ACLU.
This purported consumer protection lawsuit could be dismissed (and sanctions imposed) based solely on the application of Iowa statutes, without reaching federal constitutional issues. A prudent judge, though, should rule on every issue presented as a basis for dismissal.
The private right of action which Trump seeks to invoke is created by Iowa Code § 714H.5:
The only claim of "actual damages" averred in Trump's Complaint is ¶70:
The Complaint nowhere explains how Trump in his individual capacity -- as distinct from his campaign organization -- sustained damages of any kind. (The campaign organization is not a “consumer”, which per § 714H.2(3) means a natural person or the person’s legal representative.)
Not to mention the fact that the allegation is a lie; neither Trump nor his campaign expended time or resources as a result of the poll. (How could he have expended "extensive time" when the poll was only released a couple of days before the election?)
Judges often avoid constitutional issues if they can decide a case on statutory grounds. In federal court the so-called "constitutional avoidance" doctrine provides guidance.
I suppose it might make a difference if the lawsuit got as far as discovery, and proof was found that the poll was a total fabrication published entirely for political purposes. It might fall under the fraud exception.
Unlikely, I think the suit is a complete loser.
Brett -- I have seen reporters on deadline print things that someone gave them without checking out the third party source.
Even apart from the First Amendment issues, this lawsuit is the proverbial suing the weatherman for getting next week’s weather wrong.
The fraud exception to what? To be sure, if she fabricated the result, the Des Moines Register might have a claim against her for defrauding them. But that wouldn't give Trump a cause of action for fraud.
It would seem the only real question here is whether, after all the other lawsuits etc., Mr. Trump’s pockets remain deep enough to be able to continue to pay lawyers to fend off having to pay sanctions.
Trump is a billionaire and can easily afford to pay his opponents' legal fees. If the defendants here billed a thousand hours of work from a $1,000 per hour lawyer, Trump wouldn't notice the sting.
Sanctions work better on somebody like Giuliani who was rich but not super-rich.
Maybe.
Just an observation about the wording of the complaint:
66. The Harris Poll was deceptive and misleading, unfair, and the result of concealment, suppression, and omission of material facts about the true respective positions of President Trump and Harris in the Presidential race, all of which were known to Defendants and should have been disclosed to the public.
Why does the complaint refer to a FORMER president by title, and neglect the title of a SITTING vice president? Particularly when the omission of Vice President Harris's title could, in this case, lead to confusion?
Former president and President Elect Donald Trump will not become President of the United States for 12 days yet.
"Why does the complaint refer to a FORMER president by title"
Because it was drafted by his lawyers, not hers. Duh!
Lots of ex-office holders get called by their former titles, its a custom that some abide with, others [like you] don't. There is no legal requirement either way.
I just want to clarify one thing that I posted about at the time: the phrase "Harris Poll" is not only pure hackery, but confusing hackery. There is a Harris organization that puts out Harris polls, stemming from early pollster Lou Harris.
But this has nothing whatsoever to do with that; it's a Seltzer poll (or one could alternatively describe it as a Des Moines Register poll, since that's who she conducted it for.) The phrase "Harris Poll" is a way to insinuate that Kamala Harris was in some way involved in publishing the poll.
Someone should tell Somin about that. The more politically ignorant you are, the less likely you are to fall victim to that confusion.
I completely agree with FIRE here, but can’t help thinking about how Trump’s conviction for falsifying business records was based on the underlying crime of “election interference” based on him paying off Stormy Daniels to keep quiet about their affair, because some voters might have voted differently if they’d known. What is the difference between that and what he’s accusing Salzer of?
Falsification of business records is a crime. Trump is suing for damages under Iowa's consumer fraud statute.
That’s not totally off-base.
Trump almost certainly did falsify records. And Selzer almost certainly didn’t falsify a poll. But leaving that aside, the basic premise that either action should be seen as a form of “election interference” is wrong.