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Ohio Legislator Proposes Criminalizing Planting a Flag at Midfield
A new type of sore-loser law.
Ohio Rep. Josh Williams is proposing a new law to make planting a flag at midfield after winning a football game a felony in the state of Ohio. The bill appears to have been inspired by the tussles between Ohio State and University of Michigan players after their most recent game, which Michigan won and at which a Michigan player sought to plant a Michigan flag on the OSU field.
From the ESPN report:
Ohio state Rep. Josh Williams introduced a bill Tuesday that would classify flag planting at Ohio Stadium around Buckeyes football games as a felony.
The O.H.I.O. Sportsmanship Act, authored by Williams, comes in response to Michigan's attempt to plant its flag after a Nov. 30 win at Ohio State, which set off a brawl between the teams. Police employed pepper spray to separate players and other team personnel. Ohio State University police are investigating the incident, which involved multiple law enforcement agencies and resulted in an injury to an officer.
According to Williams' bill, "No person shall plant a flagpole with a flag attached to it in the center of the football field at Ohio stadium of the Ohio State University on the day of a college football competition, whether before, during, or after the competition. Whoever violates this section is guilty of a felony of the fifth degree."
A fifth-degree felony is the least severe in Ohio and carries a penalty of six to 12 months in prison, up to a $2,500 fine and up to five years' probation.
According to Williams, the point of the bill is to prohibit conduct that could incite violence. That may be the intent, but this seems a bit much. The idea that planting a flag is tantamount to incitement is, frankly, the sort of argument one expects to hear from those who claim offensive language is inherently violent. Elite athletes, of all people, should be able to control themselves in such situations, and criminalizing expressive conduct out of concern for how others might respond seems to be enabling a heckler's veto. Are Buckeyes really not made of sterner stuff?
It seems to me there is a much easier way to prevent an opposing team from planting their flag at midfield: Win the game.
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Only a felony, and not the death penalty? Pussies.
Seriously, just haul out Old Sparky out to the 50 yard line, hook up the extension cord, and ask the crowd if they want the perp regular, or extra crispy. 😉
Further evidence that all the real problems have been taken care of.
Good to know Ohio has apparently solved every single important issue they were facing and have moved on to stupid, petty things.
Better college football brawl: UCLA @ Arizona with the imposter ref
This all seems rather silly to me. But then again, college football...?
What the hell, just go ahead and make it a felony to beat Ohio State.
The Ohio legislature must be really confident that this law will never have to be applied to any Ohio State fans.
Just sayin’.
This version would be easier to administer: "A person is entitled to use force, including deadly force, to prevent a flag from being placed ..."
What exactly is the "center" of the field? The exact geometric center measured from the endzone corners? If you put the flag on the red part of the "O", does that count? Or do you have to be in the center of the "O".
How about The Ohio State just beat Michigan next time.
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Or plant the flagpole first, then attach the flag.
See my comment above.
the point of the bill is to prohibit conduct that could incite violence
Overlooking the obvious point that competitive team sports, for players and fans, serve as a substitute for actual violence. It's cosplay war.
Much better for aggressive spirits to be let off over a football game, than by having a BLM riot or a pogrom.
"the obvious point that competitive team sports, for players and fans, serve as a substitute for actual violence."
I see this a lot. What's it supposed to mean? That in lieu of the Battle for the Paul Bunyan Trophy residents of Lansing and Ann Arbor would do battle in the streets?
I mean, maybe competitive team sports (like competitive individual sports, which also have dedicated fans, uniforms, etc.,) are just something lots of people find to be fun and which some assholes take too seriously (and a subset of them are borderline, sometimes spilling over, violent)?
some assholes take too seriously (and a subset of them are borderline, sometimes spilling over, violent)?
The technical term for these "assholes" is "young male animals."
Young male animals (living in social groups) are invariably engaged in dominance displays, which usually involve a large dose of threat or show violence, and a small dose of actual violence. The former is a substitute for the latter, and a useful one. Otherwise we would have more actual violence.
So you think competitive sports are dominance displays and if we didn't have them there'd be, say, Lansing vs. Ann Arbor riots on the reg? I think that's as facile as Freud saying art is sublimated violence.
I said :
"..competitive team sports, for players and fans, serve as a substitute for actual violence."
That does not mean that they cannot also be occasions for fun. One must not, as you say, be facile, and imagine that each aspect of behavior is a one trick pony.
Competitive sports are occasions for fun which activate dominance responses. It is not an accident that all the efforts to make school sports "participatory" rather than competitive, go down like a lead balloon with actual boys. They're just not as much fun as competitive sports.
Likewise a sports fan, though he can appreciate the talents of other teams, and can be impressed by them, is emotionally invested in the performance of HIS team. When they score, he clenches his fist and yells "Yeah !" Along with tens of thousands of his fellow fans in the stadium, and maybe millions more watching on TV. (I say "he" because this is mostly, if not entirely, a male thing.)
And if you're a nerdy scientist who wishes to investigate this outlandish theory that competitive sports serve a dominance function, you can do so with chemistry. Higher status animals (inc humans) have higher levels of serotonin than lower status animals. Serotonin levels change from minute to minute according to how you're feeling.
When you win a sporting contest your serotonin levels rise. When you lose they fall. And the same happens for the fans.
The sporting win is a symbolic demonstration of dominance that your body recognises as an actual demonstration of dominance.
Would Ohio prosecute if I planted a Pride flag?
If "in the center of the football field at Ohio stadium of the Ohio State University on the day of a college football competition, whether before, during, or after the competition" under this law, they could. And it being Ohio, yeah.
He should consider passing a bill criminalizing playing shitty against Michigan.
Or you could, you know, punish the brawling players under existing laws. It doesn't even have to be serious punishment. Anyone who takes a poke at a cop should lose their scholarship and do a little time though.
Oh, the butthurt!
This will make it even sweeter when the Tennessee Volunteers go to Columbus on December 20 and kick Ohio State asses.
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Why would it be ok to plant a flag in the center of the field of other Ohio universities like U of Akron, Cincinnati, etc. but not Ohio State?
If Woody Hayes were still around, it wouldn't have happened.
If somebody assaulted him with a rubber chicken, and got me on the jury, I'd likely vote to acquit.
It's his gift to the seniors on the football team who have gone their entire careers never beating a Michigan team.