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Keep Calm About The Adjournment Clause and Read Tillman
Always proceed with caution when interpreting untested provisions of the Constitution in times of controversy.
Donald Trump makes obscure constitutional law great again. It is easy to rattle off the provisions: the Foreign and Domestic Emoluments Clauses, Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment, and now the Adjournment Clause. Time and again, Trump does something that implicates one of these seldom-litigated provisions, and almost immediately, people on both sides of the issue, who have never written about the clause before, become experts.
But rest assured, there is one person who wrote about these issues before anyone cared: Seth Barrett Tillman. And what makes Seth's scholarship so important, is that he addressed these issues outside the context of the current controversy. He argued that the President was not subject to the Foreign Emoluments Clause before a President Trump was even a remote possibility. Most scholars and advocates made up their minds on this issue with full knowledge of how it would affect Trump's case. It should count for something when a scholar has already written on a subject, and has done so behind the Rawlsian veil of ignorance.
Nearly two decades ago, Seth wrote about the interaction between the Recess Appointments Clause, the Adjournment Clause, and the Convening Clause. Seth had a four-part exchange with Professor Brian Kalt (another gem of the legal academy) in the Northwestern Law Review Colloquy (now Northwestern Law Review Online) on recess appointments. This exchange occurred several years before Noel Canning.
In the first installment, Seth explains that the Senate could terminate a recess appointment simply by terminating its session. Seth lays out the mechanics:
I suggest that, after the President makes a valid recess appointment, the Senate could convene, immediately terminate its session, and then reconvene instantly.
Even if the President were to adjourn Congress and make a recess appointment, the Senate could terminate its session and terminate that recess appointment. Last week, I flagged the issue of whether a presidential adjournment creates an intrasession recess or an intersession recess. I still don't know the answer. But Seth (of course) addressed both possibilities, and did so without the benefit of Noel Canning:
This strategy will only work for an intersession recess appointment. An intrasession recess appointment, i.e., an appointment made during an adjournment within a given session, lasts the remainder of that session and additionally for the life of the next session. Thus, if the President has made an intrasession recess appointment, then the Senate will have to convene and terminate two "sessions" back-to-back in order to terminate the President's intrasession appointment.
I'm not sure I saw anyone making this point about terminating recess appointments in the recent debates over the Adjournment Clause. So much for a dictatorial power that could not be checked.
In the second installment, Brian Kalt raises some problems with the "Tillman adjournment" He argues that the Senate cannot unilaterally adjourn a session. Rather, Kalt writes, "The Constitution provides, and uniform historical practice confirms, that a regular session ends when the Senate and House agree that it ends." And if they cannot agree, the President has the power to adjourn Congress.
Tillman replied in the third installment. He directly addressed the President's power to convene Congress:
Moreover, although Kalt states that the President has an "unquestioned power to convene (and reconvene, and re-reconvene) the Senate," the Constitution's text expressly limits this power to "extraordinary Occasions." Does Kalt seriously contend that a mere interbranch dispute over a mundane recess appointment is an "extraordinary Occasion"? Even after the Senate has rejected the appointment by going into recess and reconvening? . . .
Is Article II, Section 3, which states that the President "may convene both Houses, or either of them," counter-authority? Kalt seems to read this as an exclusive power of the President. I suggest the opposite: our sys-tem of separation of powers rejected executive prerogative over the legisla-tive houses. For the President to have any authority over legislative proceedings, an express grant was necessary. Such grants, standing alone, do not oust the houses of control over their own proceedings, including the timing of their sessions.
Much of the recent debates focused on the President's power to adjourn Congress. But the President also has the power to convene Congress. And it is argued that and supported by some authorities that doing so creates a new session. Based on the controversial Theodore Roosevelt precedent, the President could then make recess appointments in the infinitesimal intersession recess between the old session and the new one that is convened.
Kalt has the final word in the fourth installment.
Tillman also tries to make hay of the confusion surrounding the definitions of a "session," "recess," and "adjournment." To my textual evidence against a unilateral power of the Senate to terminate a regular session, Tillman retorts that my clauses mention adjournments, not Senate recesses or sessions. He follows this with an attempt to distinguish adjournments from recesses, citing Jefferson's Manual and a note on Australian practice. But the only relevant question for terminating recess appointments is what constitutes a session. Tillman's own go-to source, Jefferson's Manual, asks of Congress, "What then constitutes a session with them?" Jefferson's answer is similar to mine. Sessions begin by direction of either the Constitution, by law, or by the President. They can end either by the beginning of one of these new sessions, "by the efflux of their time" (i.e., the expiration of the term), or by an adjournment by "joint vote" of the two chambers. [FN15]
FN15: Jefferson does not mention the possibility of the President adjourning Congress in the case of a disagreement between the chambers, but Article II, Section 3 makes clear that this is the alternative to a "joint vote."
I appreciate this thoughtful exchange because it was made nearly two decades ago, when the consequences of the theories remained unknowable.
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You're giving Trump too much credit; He did nothing go implicate the emoluments clause. That was some of his more hysterical and desperate foes
Bad faith retroactively for disagreeing with BrettLaw, as usual.
Didn't you notice that the emoluments tactic was given up as a loser? Trump didn't do anything in that area that half our previous Presidents hadn't done without a bit of controversy... They just didn't have whole teams of lawyers throwing everything they could think of at the wall in the hope they could make SOMETHING stick.
No, I didn’t notice that. On the contrary, I noticed that the plaintiffs actively continued litigating the case (winning before the end banc Fourth Circuit) until it was mooted by Trump leaving office.
Moreover, in the instances where this argument failed, it was because of lack of standing, not because of a finding that Trump did nothing wrong.
Trump didn’t do anything in that area that half our previous Presidents hadn’t done without a bit of controversy
Now here come the BrettFacts.
That was another example of "give me the man, and I will find the crime" in the Establishment's war against the People's Champion.
Just like the Logan Act nonsense, and the FARA abuses. FARA being on the nooses the Deep State keeps loose around many a neck. An Epstein or Diddy tape, if you will.
There is no limit on the number of terms that a cabinet official can serve, right?
Well, what prevents the President from re-interim-appointing the same people every time the Senate adjourns???
Hence even if the Senate doesn't have to adjourn twice as Blackman suggests, here's the timeline:
12:00:00 Senate Adjourns.
12:00:01 All interim appointees release a pre-written letter of resignation.
12:00:02 President replies with pre-written response letter.
12:00:03 President makes new interim appointments of all the same people...
Because, under this model, the senate reconvenes before your second step can even happen. (Note too that the recess appointees lose their office by operation of law as soon as the recess begins; there’s nothing for them to resign from.)
It would take several whole seconds for the Speaker to say "the Senate is Now in Session" and since the recess appointees have already lost their offices, the POTUS could announce recess appointments in the fraction of one second between the gavel to end and the gavel to resume.
Let me ask you a question from a slightly different angle, Dr. Ed.
Why do you hate the Constitution so much that you are actively dreaming up stupid schemes to undermine it?
We aren't a monarchy. The system was set up with checks and balances. Heck, the President's own party is the majority in the Senate.
We all know, from the text itself, from the writing about it (Federalist etc.), and from all of our history that the President needs the advice and consent of the Senate.
Have you reached the point of blindness where you want to discard all the rules (aka, the rule of law) because, um, reasons? Owning the libs and by libs, I mean .. the GOP-controlled Senate)? Because you think America needs to be run as an authoritarian dictatorship?
I know that your thing (well... one of your things, other than wishing violence on people and the Maine/Massachusetts stuff) is to dream up weird hypotheticals to try to make your partisan goals work, but have you actually thought this through?
I'll put it plainly- even ignoring the multiple issues with your idea, EVEN IF YOUR IDEA WAS RIGHT, why would you want that?
Good question. (What would be the purpose of a game with no rules?)
At issue in Canning wasn’t the Recess Appointments clause. The real issue was whether the Senate had the power to disable a statutorily created agency by refusing to confirm any nominees. The Supreme Court’s answer was “yes”.
Hmmm.
I think you get my point.
The Court often confines itself to sterile academic questions presented to it with no awareness that these are bad faith arguments and the effects of its narrow decision would be disruptive. A good example of this is Clinton v. Jones. Fortunately it doesn’t always do that.
I do get your point: you think that the court should ignore the law if applying it would create an undesirable result.
I suspect you’ll have occasion to reconsider that position more than once over the next four years.
I think the next four years, both in and out of the Court, will be a wild ride.
I don't assume that is his point.
In Canning the Court allowed the Senate to wave a magic wand and declare that it was in session even though it actually wasn’t. More recently Trump waved a magic wand as to the documents he refused to hand over at Mar-a-Lago and said he had declassified them in his mind. To what extent will the Court take such arguments at face value in the next four years?
It is useful to remember what was involved.
Republicans also didn’t want to allow the confirmation of D.C. Circuit judges since they argued there was enough there. They wouldn’t have said that if a Republican president and Senate were involved.
This is the overall background involved when Harry Reid and the Democrats decided to change the filibuster rules for presidential appointments. Rightly so in my view.
In this context, President Obama tried to use the recess appointment power in the face of avoidance techniques involving a one-minute Senate session involving a single senator by unanimous consent rules.
The Supreme Court, reasonably enough, followed long precedent and left the Senate the ability to control its proceedings, especially since legislative action had taken place during such sessions.
At the time, I was willing to accept what the president was doing as a creature of inter-branch checks and balances. The Senate had the means to assert its power in other ways to address possible abuses.
I did not think this way because I don't want SCOTUS to follow the law when it results in bad results, the Constitution be damned, but because I thought there was something to the argument the president made. I now think Breyer's opinion is reasonable.
The Senate had delayed confirmations for quite some time in a variety of ways. I think the practice has gotten out of hand but there are other ways to address the situation.
One way is to shut down the government -- the President refusing to sign any appropriations bill until his cabinet was confirmed. It would take a 2/3 majority in both houses to override that, and I don't think that there are that many Republicans willing to defy Trump.
Republicans routinely have caved on spending shutdowns, and caving gets easier every time you do it, so I don't expect that to work.
Instead, it appears he intends to mount a constitutional challenge to the anti-impoundment act of 1974, which criminalizes Presidents refusing to spend appropriated funds. Prior to Nixon, Presidents had routinely exercised that power to refrain from what they viewed as unnecessary spending.
Trump intends to reclaim that traditional Presidential power.
>Trump does something that implicates one of these seldom-litigated provisions,
Coincidently, a whole swath of seldom-litigated provisions have been trotted out against Trump, Trump's orbit, and Trump supporters! I guess they were all the provocateurs too! Right Josh?
I think you have the cause and effect reversed Josh.
The angriest set of winners you ever did see.
Haha yeah, I'm angry because I'm a winner!
Great comment!
Sorry, I guess you're a loser.
Because you sure do post angry whatever you are.
Another amazing contribution! Thank you for tone-policing everyone whose not in your political tribe and ignoring those who are!
That contributes so much to the community. That's why you have such a great reputation around here. Sacastr0 The Contributor they call you when you're not around.
I think Il Douche is more appropriate.
Douche
someone who is more than a jerk, tends to think he's top notch, does stuff that is pretty brainless, thinks he is so much better than he really is, and is normally pretty good at ticking people off in an immature way.
"Wow he's such a Douche"
"That was a Douche move"
It would be nice if, once in a while (say, every tenth comment, but ideally more than that), Sarcastr0 would engage with the topic at hand instead of making ad hominem attacks.
See above.
Yup.
"Are you such a loser you don't know when you've won?" (from one of the greatest movies of the 1990s).
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One of the scenarios Professor Blackman outlines is the President convening Congress mid-session. Under the proposed theory, convening Congress mid-session automatically ends the existing session and creates a new one, thereby creating an opportunity in the short interval in between to make recess appointments without Senate consent.
But can the President convene the Senate when it is already in session? I would suggest that the President can’t. The President can only convene a house of Congress on “extraordinary Occassions.” Whatever the conditions for “extraordinary Occassions” may be, I would think Congress not already being in session would have to be one of them. If Congress is already in session, it would seem almost a tautology that there is no extraordinary need to convene it. So I don’t think this particular strategem is constitutionally available to the President.
You could say the same thing about a self-pardon, or what happens if a president elect dies before taking office.
The predictions on what will happen are easy, though. Lots of hot air as the sides shuffle about and spout Truths of the Ages…that happen to support their side.
"what happens if a president elect dies before taking office."
Twentieth Amendment
Section 3
If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President.
Regardless of what Tillman wrote, whatever Trump does, Blackman will write a column explaining why what he did was constitutional.
This exchange rather obviously misses the point of present discussions, which is not centered on what Trump may do in order to frustrate the Senate, but on how Congress may conspire with Trump to appoint any number of officials without any kind of embarrassing if only pro forma hearings in the Senate.
This is what dictatorial power looks like, in a system like ours. Our system is designed to pit the jealous branches against each other. But when Congress agrees to act, on its own initiative, as a rubber stamp to the president, all of these checks and balances the founders designed break down. The President says: I want my picks without delay or scandal. Congress says: Sure, no problem, here you go. If the judiciary doesn’t then step in and say that those officials are without power to do anything, then it’s all lost. That’s the game.
Our only hope, during the next few years, is that ambitious politicians in Congress and principled jurists in the judiciary will compete with Trump for power. We need judges to acknowledge that the limits they’ve drawn around Biden and Obama’s power also apply to Trump. Members of Congress need to continue to serve their own constituencies (and further their own careers), rather than to sacrifice it all to satisfy Trump. The separation of powers has largely broken down in places like Florida and Texas. We do not want to replicate that experience at a national level.
And it would help if law professors spent a little more of their time tending to this, rather than coming up with specious arguments for why we should stop paying attention.
Look on the bright side. Maybe, Trump will nominate him to a lower court, and he will not post as much.
Josh made the mistake of not being a TV host. Perhaps he has a good face for podcasts.
Dictatorial power looks like elected politicians of the same party cooperating with each other?
I mean, in principle I could understand if you'd said "oligarchical power", but dictatorial?
It's how it starts, in democratic systems like ours. The Founders didn't contemplate an arrangement where the institutional checks and balances break down because party allegiances transcend the separation of powers.
There are many, many, many historical examples of this, as well as several contemporary examples where we see nations at various stages of autocratic decline. But of course you understand this. You're one of the people pushing for an autocratic takeover in the US.
He doesn’t have to conspire with the whole Senate or even a majority of it. He need only conspire with the Senate leadership. The Senate leadership could call for a short adjournment by unanimous consent quickly in the middle of the night when nobody else is there.
Hence his prior statements that he would only support a Senate leadership willing to go along. He knows what he’s doing.
The Senate (Or House!) leadership can do a lot of outrageous things by unanimous consent late at night when nobody else is present. Just another consequence of the Supreme court refusing to enforce the quorum clause.
And no, the judiciary is not going to step in over this. Presidential nominees were nearly all approved quickly and without hearings or debate for much of this country’s history. Courts aren’t going to suddenly find a constitutional problem with a practice with that much precedent. Indeed, cooperation between Congress and the President, even one of the opposite party, was once routine. Courts aren’t suddenly going to see cooperation as a big problem.
You don't understand the role for the judiciary that I'm talking about.
The remedy, when a court finds that an official has taken agency action without being properly confirmed, is to void the action. So I'm not talking about the courts stepping in and deciding a dispute between the legislative and executive branches. I'm talking about the courts coming along later and finding that the President has abused his recess appointment powers, and concluding that anything done by his recess-appointed official is void. I
>We need judges to acknowledge that the limits they’ve drawn around Biden and Obama’s power also apply to Trump.
So, by your own admission, the Judiciary saved us from Biden and Obama dictatorship. Did they miss anything or did the Judicial system stymie all of their dictatorship impulses?
Go fuck yourself.
It would seem like a really stupid idea for a President to start their term by playing games using adjournment and recess appointments loopholes to attempt to usurp the Senate's constitutional powers when that very Senate (where his party has only a modest majority and nowhere near a filibuster proof majority) must approve of his legislative proposals for the next four years.
We saw in Trumps first term that on the policies that matter to Trump and the voters, a Republican Senate isn’t an ally. In fact, they actively work to undermine any policies that might impact Forever War or Permanent Washington.
The professional Republican politician can eat a bag of dicks.