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Reference in Sentencing to Defendant's Disliking "Judeo and Christian Values Because They Are Good for Civilization" Didn't Violate the First Amendment
"[The] reference was made in the context of describing Melzer's and the O9A's views of those values to explain why, according to them, those values had to be defeated through violent conduct if their goal of chaos was to be achieved"; "the Order of the Nine Angels ('O9A')" "is a violent, white supremacist, neo-Nazi, Satanist, pro-jihadist group."
From U.S. v. Melzer, decided last week by Second Circuit Judges Susan Carney, Joseph Bianco, and William Nardini:
Defendant-Appellant Ethan Phelan Melzer appeals from the district court's judgment, following his guilty plea, to: (1) attempting to murder U.S. service members, in violation of 18 U.S.C. §§ 1114 and 2; (2) providing and attempting to provide material support to terrorists, in violation of 18 U.S.C. §§ 2339A and 2; and (3) illegally transmitting national defense information, in violation of 18 U.S.C. §§ 793(d) and 2. The district court sentenced Melzer principally to a term of 540 months' imprisonment, followed by supervised release for a term of three years.
Melzer's sole argument on appeal is that the district court procedurally erred at sentencing because its "reference to Melzer's dislike of 'Judeo and Christian values' created the appearance that the length of the sentence the court imposed was affected by a constitutionally impermissible consideration." Melzer did not object to the district court's comments during the sentencing, and we generally review claims of procedural unreasonableness under the plain error standard if no objection was raised in the district court. To determine whether error occurred, we review de novo whether the district court improperly considered a constitutionally impermissible factor in its sentencing….
In 2018, Melzer enlisted in the United States Army, and, after completing basic training, he was deployed to a military complex in Italy. During his assignment in Italy, Melzer plotted the murder of his fellow servicemembers, as part of his membership in the Order of the Nine Angels ("O9A"), which is a violent, white supremacist, neo-Nazi, Satanist, pro-jihadist group. In early May 2020, the Army reassigned Melzer to a platoon scheduled for a classified foreign deployment.
On or about May 23, 2020, in an O9A group chat on Telegram, Melzer wrote a series of messages, identifying himself as a U.S. servicemember stationed in Italy who was going on a deployment to another location and proposing that he and other members of O9A coordinate a jihadist attack on his platoon at that location. On May 25, 2020, he revealed highly sensitive information about the upcoming deployment to a co-conspirator via Telegram and discussed how an attack on the platoon could be successfully carried out.
After Melzer exchanged other Telegram messages with co-conspirators regarding the planned attack on the platoon, military investigators took him into custody on May 30, 2020, as his platoon waited to board buses to the airport in Italy en route to their new deployment location. On Melzer's phone, investigators found a message that Melzer had drafted, but not yet sent, in which he was responding to additional questions from a co-conspirator in order to affirm the depth of his ideological commitment to O9A.
At sentencing, in explaining the reasons for the 540-month sentence under the factors set forth in 18 U.S.C. § 3553(a), the district court, inter alia, described the seriousness of Melzer's offense conduct, including his motivation to facilitate a deadly attack on his unit to further the violent objectives of the O9A:
Mr. Melzer's crimes were repugnant. He betrayed the United States of America. He betrayed the United States military. He targeted for murder his fellow soldiers. He worked to aid jihadist terrorists. All so he could achieve his nihilist goal of undermining Judeo-Christian values and rupturing civilized society. Much has been said here about the organization that Mr. Melzer joined …. [I]t is a white nationalist, neo-Nazi, satanist, pro-jihadist group that promotes the use of extreme violence to accelerate and cause the demise of western civilization. In its view, as embraced by Mr. Melzer, those values hold us back from the state of nature and are holding us back from what it and Mr. Melzer views as the natural order – chaos. The organization and Mr. Melzer opposed those Judeo and Christian values because they are good for civilization. His crimes were committed in order to destroy civilization, to bring us back to a state of nature.
The district court's description of the O9A's ideology and objectives was derived from the factual recitation in the Pre-Sentence Report, to which Melzer did not object.
On appeal, Melzer contends that re-sentencing is warranted because these comments by the district court about O9A "would permit a reasonable observer to conclude that the district court's sentence in this case was affected by the defendant's hostility toward 'Judeo and Christian values'—values that, in the court's view, are good for civilization." We disagree.
Sentencing courts generally have discretion to "conduct an inquiry broad in scope, largely unlimited either as to the kind of information they may consider, or the source from which it may come." Moreover, although "[t]he First Amendment forbids the uncabined reliance on a defendant's 'abstract beliefs' at sentencing," a sentencing judge may consider "evidence of beliefs or associational activities, so long as they are relevant to prove, for example, motive or aggravating circumstances, to illustrate future dangerousness, or to rebut mitigating evidence." …
"The First Amendment does not erect a per se barrier to the admission at sentencing of evidence regarding the defendant's beliefs or associational activity. A sentencing court may consider such evidence so long as it is relevant to the issues involved in the sentencing proceeding. Among other possible uses, a particular piece of evidence may be relevant to show motive, analyze a statutory aggravating factor, illustrate future dangerousness or potential recidivism, or rebut mitigating evidence that the defendant proffers." … In this context, we will vacate the sentence where there is "a sufficient risk that a reasonable observer, hearing or reading the quoted remarks, might infer, however incorrectly," that a defendant's protected characteristics or religious beliefs "played a role in determining [the defendant's] sentence."
Here, we conclude that the district court did not sentence Melzer based on any constitutionally-protected beliefs, nor could a reasonable observer believe otherwise based on the district court's comments. Instead, it is clear from the record that the district court briefly referenced O9A's ideology, including its opposition to Judeo-Chris[tian] values, in connection with the court's consideration of Melzer's motive for the offense conduct, as permitted in its evaluation of the Section 3553(a) factors, including on the issue of future dangerousness.
Although Melzer asserts that the district court "made a value-judgment about [Judeo and Christian] values, saying they were 'good for civilization,'" we are unpersuaded. As summarized above, the district court's "good for civilization" reference was made in the context of describing Melzer's and the O9A's views of those values to explain why, according to them, those values had to be defeated through violent conduct if their goal of chaos was to be achieved. Thus, that passing reference in no way indicated the district court's own personal value judgments in imposing its sentence. See App'x at 129 (stating that "[i]n its [i.e., O9A's] view, as embraced by Mr. Melzer, those values hold us back from the state of nature and are holding us back from what it and Mr. Melzer views as the natural order—chaos" (emphasis added)); see also id. ("The organization and Mr. Melzer opposed those Judeo and Christian values because they are good for civilization," and "[h]is crimes were committed in order to destroy civilization, to bring us back to a state of nature." (emphasis added)).
Indeed, the district court's comments dispelled any notion that it was sentencing Melzer for his ideology. Specifically, at sentencing, the government noted: "To be absolutely clear, the defendant is not be[ing] sentenced for his beliefs, his worldview, or even his advocacy for it." The district court then emphasized this point by explaining: "As counsel for the United States described, [Melzer] is not charged here with his ideology. His crime began after his unit was transferred to Italy." In doing so, the district court made clear that Melzer was not being sentenced based on any beliefs or ideologies held prior to his deployment to Italy, but rather for his criminal conduct in Italy that was motivated by those beliefs and ideologies, including transmitting national defense information, providing support to terrorists, and attempting to kill his fellow soldiers. See, e.g., App'x at 131 ("Mr. Melzer provided national defense information to others intending that it be used to murder the members of his platoon by the jihadi fighters. Mr. Melzer strategized about the best ways to attack his unit, and to kill the 40 or so service people in it.")….
Matthew J.C. Hellman, Samuel Adelsberg, Kimberly Ravener, and James Ligtenberg represent the government.
UPDATE: Commenter SRG2 notes that O9A appears to stand for Order of the Nine Angles, not Angels; but the opinion says "Angels."
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a violent, white supremacist, neo-Nazi, Satanist, pro-jihadist group
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So just drop the white supremacism and he could claim they were persecuting him for being a Democrat?
Thanks for confirming that Republicans are white supremacists (which we knew anyway).
Jerks always use 'We' because in fact they have no friends
If you're not interested in anything resembling normal conversation, could you please go and do that somewhere else? Might I recommend Twitter? Or Truth Social?
It appears to be the Order of 9 Angles, "non Angeli sed Angli"...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Nine_Angles
Confusing angels with angles. How obtuse.
An acute observation.
I find myself wondering why defendant was tried in a court civil and not in a court martial.
Courts martials are used under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) articles but this guy was prosecuted under federal law.
MELZER, 24, of Louisville, Kentucky, pled guilty to (1) attempting to murder U.S. military service members, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1114, which carries a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison; (2) attempting to provide and providing material support to terrorists, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 2339A, which carries a maximum sentence of 15 years in prison; and (3) illegally transmitting national defense information believing that it could be used to the injury of the United States, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 793(d), which carries a maximum sentence of 10 years in prison.
Here’s the Manual for Courts Martial for details on military law prosecutions.
https://jsc.defense.gov/Portals/99/2024%20MCM%20files/MCM%20(2024%20ed)%20-%20TOC%20no%20index.pdf?ver=b7JVpxV5rbIHg0ENlCRVKQ%3d%3d
The agencies through which military jurisdiction is exercised include:
(1) Courts-martial for the trial of offenses against military law and, in the case of general courts-martial, of persons who by the law of war are subject to trial by military tribunals.
That’s not really an answer. Why civilian federal law and not military law?
Because military law doesn’t have crimes for:
– Attempting to murder U.S. military service members, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1114
– Attempting to provide and providing material support to terrorists, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 2339A
– Illegally transmitting national defense information believing that it could be used to the injury of the United States, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 793(d)
Pg 597 on the link above has the list of military crimes that courts martials can address.
Military things like failure to obey an order, AWOL, missing movement, etc.
The UCMJ absolutely covers murder. It's Article 118. Your own cite confirms this. There are analogues for each other charge as well, all shown in the list you helpfully provided. You have no idea what you're talking about, and should shut up now.
Yes but it’s not murder “in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1114”, etc which lets them pile on multiple charges for the same behaviors. The shorter answer to the thread above is that they could ask for longer sentences in civilian court.
All that said, I can not ignore the far more cynical answer – that this was a juicy (and easy) case that could advance a federal prosecutor’s career and would be “wasted” on a mere JAG prosecutor.
If it truly is a discretionary decision as to court martial or civilian court, there is another side to this -- a conviction by a civilian jury in civilian court (or at least that option) would have a higher level of credibility because it *wasn't* the military trying him.
The other question I have is if Double Jeopardy would apply if the decided to go the Court Martial route after an acquittal in Civil Court.
It doesn't when the Feds try someone after a State acquittal and if they were going for Articles instead of Federal Code, it would be the same situation of two different sets of laws covering the same facts.
Notwithstanding that, I can see wanting him to have a civilian trial so he doesn't become a martyr to his fellow cretins.
There are four courts of criminal appeals in the military: the Army Court of Criminal Appeals, the Navy-Marine Corps Court of Criminal Appeals, the Air Force Court of Criminal Appeals, and the Coast Guard Court of Criminal Appeals.
The next level is Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces with final appellate review being at the Supreme Court (although some military criminal cases are not eligible for appeal to the SC).
So - at the federal level - I think it would be Double Jeopardy since the final appellate level is the same (SC).
The normal state / federal separate sovereigns still applies though like for civilians, so a military person still could be tried separately in a state court.
No double jeopardy. At least for a civil criminal case after jeopardy attaches in a court martial. That is, jeopardy attaching in one does not mean it attaches for another. Just ask Jeffrey MacDonald.
That is incorrect: because military offense are prosecuted in the name of the United States, jeopardy from a court martial will preclude a federal civilian prosecution. See Grafton v. United States, 206 U.S. 333 (1907).
MacDonald’s military charges were dismissed following his Article 32 hearing, so jeopardy never attached.
Its also possible that because his crimes were to be against the military itself and his own unit... perceived or actual bias would have tainted the sentence regardless of its severity. With a civilian trial/case at least some of the perceived bias isn't as apparent...and as we see...he appealed his sentence anyway (though unsuccessfully).
The district court sentenced Melzer principally to a term of 540 months' imprisonment, followed by supervised release for a term of three years.
Meltzer could be dead by then. Just tell the prison gen pop ahead of time that Meltzer is a child molester, to guarantee it.
What do you think best explains your lack of emotional maturity?
In this case? Cost savings. 😉
Anyone who would betray (and murder) their fellow military brothers and sisters in arms....No need to keep them alive for 45 years at taxpayer expense. That person needs a dirt nap.
Then let him be tried and convicted on a capital offense, subjected to a death penalty administered in accordance with the law. And if he has committed no such crime and is subject to no such penalty, then let that be the end of the matter.
We should not enthuse over the possibility of some (in this case) misdirected "prison justice," which is in fact just calling for the guy to be lynched by other prisoners in a government facility. That's not what we do or should tolerate, in a civilized nation governed by the rule of law. What you are calling for is some juvenile male fantasy, the sort of thing a 15-year-old would think is clever. It's gross and immature.
Having to recite Mah Nishtanah for too many years?
I don't have four questions, SRG2, heh.
The enthusiasm for extra-judicial killing expressed repeatedly on this ostensibly legal blog remains curious, and still a bit shocking to me, even at this late date. As does the gleeful endorsement of prison violence. I wonder if this is what Eugene had in mind those many years ago when he started this increasingly star-crossed project?
"increasingly"? One opinion does not a trend make. Got any actual data, plural?
How long have you been a regular reader here? Under this or any other handle?
Data?? What are you even asking? What “data” would indicate “star-crossed-ness” as if it were something objectively measurable?
Objectively measurable, aye, there's the rub.
Nonsensical and evasive response but ok
Lacking closing period so not sure if comment complete but ok.
One of the functions of a judicial system is that dealing with criminals harshly discourages vigilante behavior. This person is obviously too dangerous to ever again draw a breath of free air, and yet was given a sentence where he'll plausibly do so again-- he's in his early 20's so even if he serves every minute of 540 months, that's only 45 years. I don't support extrajudicial punishment but I am awfully curious why the justice system went so easy on him. He should receive either death, life, or a sentence so long that it's effectively a life sentence.
It also appears that he won't be serving this in a military prison, but instead a soft American regular prison. It seems based on the charges that military prison is the more appropriate venue for him, I'm sure the soldier guards would make sure that he's appropriately cared for.
One of the functions of a judicial system is that dealing with criminals harshly discourages vigilante behavior.
"If the state doesn't kill him, then I will" is not actually a motivating principle behind our criminal justice system. Indeed, vigilantism is itself criminal, so we would typically want the punishment of vigilante acts to serve as a sufficient deterrence for that kind of activity.
This person is obviously too dangerous to ever again draw a breath of free air, and yet was given a sentence where he’ll plausibly do so again– he’s in his early 20’s so even if he serves every minute of 540 months, that’s only 45 years.
It wasn't that long ago, in the history of prisons, that 45 years' imprisonment itself would have seemed an extraordinarily long sentence. That it seems "too short" to you is only a reflection of how far the prison-industrial complex has come, in normalizing extended prison stays.
If you have issues with this punishment, then you can look to the crimes he was convicted of. In this country, we don't tend to put people to death when they haven't themselves killed anyone.
There are no “soft American regular prisons,” and of course he’ll be sent to federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison, not Club Fed.
It takes a near sociopath to call 45 years “easy” on anyone. Not saying the sentence is unwarranted in this case, but it is not “easy.” He will likely get out at the age of 65. It is not “plausible” that he will be organizing terrorist attacks on U.S. troops in Turkey, using information gleaned from his service, in the year 2065.
Most fed sentences are served at 85%. Assuming good conduct while in prison. This idiot will likely join an aryan gang in prison and get shanked by a rival gang within...say.... 10years.
Life expectancy of prisoners is also drastically lower than general civilian population. I'd be shocked if this guy doesn't off himself or get off'd by someone who poisoned the blood of our country - to use a turn of phrase of our new dear leader.
Federal prisons are far far safer than state prisons, and much easier time.
Whitey Bulger would beg to differ on that, although I think Epstein was an autoerotic self-hanging.
The average sentence for murder is --according to Google's AI-- around 40 years. The average served before release is around 15.
So I must beg pardon, but based on (what Google's AI claims are) the numbers, I think 45 years is probably in-line with planning --but not carrying out-- a few murders.
"I’m sure the soldier guards would make sure that he’s appropriately cared for."
Are we supposed to pretend this isn't support for extra-judicial punishment, which you just claimed you don't support?
Are we supposed to pretend this isn’t support for extra-judicial punishment, which you just claimed you don’t support?
Not at all-- in military prison, the prisoners can be ordered about and treated much more harshly than in civilian prison, as they're still subject to the chain of command and the UCMJ. Ordering him to dig a hole and fill it back up under pain of worse punishment is perfectly legal, not extrajudicial. They could, legally, make every day of his life hell until he dies and they should.
It wasn’t that long ago, in the history of prisons, that 45 years’ imprisonment itself would have seemed an extraordinarily long sentence. That it seems “too short” to you is only a reflection of how far the prison-industrial complex has come, in normalizing extended prison stays.
As time goes on, our society has tended to be more just. We've left behind previous generations that were too soft on crime because if you're soft on crime, what do you get? Willie Horton raping your wife on a weekend pass. If you want to go back to the soft on crime era, make your case to the voters, but they are by and large not buying it.
Indeed, vigilantism is itself criminal, so we would typically want the punishment of vigilante acts to serve as a sufficient deterrence for that kind of activity.
If the state is soft on criminals it's going to have a hard time being difficult on being vigilantes-- so being soft on crime encourages them. And honestly what's the state going to do, go soft on criminals but harsh on people who commit crimes against criminals?
There are no “soft American regular prisons,” and of course he’ll be sent to federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison, not Club Fed.
You watch too many movies. Prisoners are absolutely not afraid of prison and especially not federal prison. He'll have an idle life of card games, TV, pickleball and wondering whether he's eating steak or salmon tonight.
It takes a near sociopath to call 45 years “easy” on anyone. Not saying the sentence is unwarranted in this case, but it is not “easy.” He will likely get out at the age of 65. It is not “plausible” that he will be organizing terrorist attacks on U.S. troops in Turkey, using information gleaned from his service, in the year 2065.
You don't know that. But it's even less plausible he'll be doing anything to benefit society when he's out. This is absolutely a lock him up for life and let military guards (legally) make his life his hell situation, but for some reason the state went easy on him.
I do know that. It isn't plausible that a 65-year old who has been locked away from the world for the last 45 years in lousy conditions is going to be in a position to do any such thing, even if he still wanted to.
Prisoners are indeed afraid of prison. We know, because revealed preference: they do everything they can to stay out of prison.
My revealed preference is to be a billionaire. No doubt almost 100% of criminals prefer to stay out of prison. But to say "they do everything they can to stay out" is hilarious. 62% recidivism doesn't seem like most are trying very hard and/or afraid of prison.
Somebody else beat me to it, but your revealed preference argument is hilarious. Yeah, they hate prison so much that when they get back out, they go right back to a life of crime.
TextFirst, what is your theory of justice here? Like, what is prison for?
Is it deterrence?
Signaling to citiziens that society is tough and orderly?
Rightful retribution meted out by society for its own sake?
I think all three are valid motivations here, and it's a positive good to inflict suffering on this person. There's also no downsides to inflicting suffering on him; ideally it's deterrence, but if it doesn't deter anybody, who cares? No harm done except to this guy.
it’s a positive good to inflict suffering on this person.
What do you mean by positive good?
I tried to look up what positive good means, and just found this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_as_a_positive_good_in_the_United_States
There’s also no downsides to inflicting suffering on him
Saying that on net, it's positive, I could buy. But saying that there's no downside is you being a a dehumanizing psycho.
but if it doesn’t deter anybody, who cares? No harm done except to this guy.
You have some bloodthirsty issues.
"He’ll have an idle life of card games, TV, pickleball and wondering whether he’s eating steak or salmon tonight."
You are so full of shit I had to wipe down my monitor with bleach just from reading your ignorance.
I support extrajudicial punishment. Most interracial crime now is black on white. For example, if the thugs in the article below are caught, they'll get taxpayer funded defense attorneys, years of delays, gold plates prison treatment. Probably talking millions. If black thugs attacked a white woman in 1930s Mississippi, the only cost to society to punish them was the cost of a thick rope.
https://nypost.com/2024/10/25/us-news/vietnam-vet-79-and-wife-celebrating-75th-birthday-knocked-down-by-5-brutes-in-random-nyc-attack/
Yep, and that inexpensive punishment didn’t even have to depend on any actual attack!
I'm not saying it never happened, but the vast, vast majority of black lynching "victims" were guilty of what they were accused of.
Nobody here is surprised that you're announcing yourself to be a racist piece of shit.
We've known that for years, BCD, verochax, etc.
Eugene should just ban you again.
The supply of voltage is apparently inexhaustible
Don't you have a 6 pack of Guinness you need to be drinking, you stupid paddy?
I've already told you previously that I'm not Irish, though I suppose your retardation has prevented you from retaining any new information past the age of four.
It's funny how the biggest racists always hide behind pseudonyms because they don't have the testicles to face the consequences for their behavior.
I don't believe you. I've never met a Cavanaugh who isn't a beer guzzling mick.
Well I don't drink coffee or beer because I don't like bitter as a flavor profile, so on that note you're now 0-for-2.
I presume everyone you meet quickly turns to alcohol to block out the memory of meeting such an insignificant peon.
Lenny - there are two few K's in your handle.
LennyKKK is what it should be. Where is your Aryan pride?
Why do you people make excuses for black criminality?
You're the reason Trump was elected.
" I’m sure the soldier guards would make sure that he’s appropriately cared for."
I doubt it -- unlike civilian guards, there is military discipline.
My guess is that the prison gen pop would be able to verify that you were lying inside of an hour, tops.
If we can't keep drugs out, do you honestly think we can keep information out?!?
Aren't Federal inmates required to serve 85% of their sentence?
The Supreme Court has never decided whether the limitations on capital punishment set in Gregg v. Georgia and its progeny apply to military offences. And this particular case might be an attractive one in which a proponent of capital punishment might wish to argue that they shouldn’t and don’t.
For this reason, I could see why people might want to argue that this case should have been tried in court martial as a capital crime rather than in civilian court as a merely imprisonable offence, and that the military ought to take its chances that the current Supreme Court would uphold a death sentence under these circumstances. Given the conservative composition of the current Supreme Court and the fact that whether military crimes are subject to Gregg etc. is still one of first impression, the military would have at least a decent chance of winning. Indeed, if there is a case whose facts are atrocious enough that they could provide support to an argument that in the military the death penalty ought to be available without anyone having actually died, this may well be that case.
I see that as very different from calling for vigilante justice.
Shocking that all of the late California districts somehow keep going to Democrats by the thinnest of margins.
Look, I’m glad the guy got 45 years, he deserved it.
My question is: why are sentences pronounced in terms of months (540) instead of years (45)? Didn’t courts used to use “x years” plus whatever number of months short of a year was left. E. g., “five years and five months.”
Now it’s all months, and normal people have to divide by 12 to get an idea of the sentence’s duration. What’s up with that?
Mr. Melzer should thank his lucky stars that he will be incarcerated for the next 45 years, in a place that will at least attempt to protect him from fellow inmates who served in the military. On the other hand, he may find imprisonment to be excruciatingly painful, since its regimented environment (can he spell Guantanamo?) will (most of the time) be totally unlike the freedom he hoped to enjoy in the chaos he craves.
He may or may not also feel some relief that he will not face the punishments handed out in previous cases and generations. As a terrorist, he might be facing execution, as did Timothy McVeigh. Under older codes of military justice he would probably have been shot after a summary court-martial and an unsuccessful appeal to a higher command authority. He would have had no right to appeal his sentence in federal court.
Ironically, the Christian systems of justice in, say, England or France in 1600, could have sentenced him for high treason to be hanged, drawn, and quartered; or worse. He might well have despised those justice systems along with the rest of Christian civilization, but very few would have known or cared anything about his ideology, beliefs, or faith. In those days a large crowd would have gathered to witness and enjoy his death agonies while eating their picnic lunches.
Thankfully for him and all of us, modern justice systems have largely abandoned antisocial beliefs as a basis for trial and sentencing. Justice is no longer in the hands of the religious, who themselves have evolved along with the rest of us to deplore the vicious and sadistic cruelties they practiced in old Europe. It’s the modern iteration of Judaeo-Christian civilization he has to thank for the 8th Amendment’s prohibition of cruel and unusual punishments. Almost certainly he will not enjoy prison at all, but he could be made to watch investigations and dramatizations of those things he will be spared by modernity. Welcome to the suck, dogface.