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Judge Orders Divorcing Husband to Surrender Gun, Even Without Domestic Violence Restraining Order
Fortunately, the California Court of Appeal just reversed that decision.
In U.S. v. Rahimi, the Supreme Court held that the law may forbid gun possession by people subject to harassment restraining orders, when the orders were entered based on a showing of actual violence or domestic violence. Sometimes, such orders contain gun restrictions even without such a violence-related showing (see, e.g., the restraining order in the Sarrita Adams case, PDF p. 43); that, I think, violates the Second Amendment.
But in K.G. v. E.G., decided Monday by California Court of Appeal Judge Kathleen O'Leary, joined by Justices Thomas Goethals and Joanne Motoike, the trial judge had denied a domestic violence restraining order, and still issued a gun surrender order.
Appellant and respondent were married in 2009 and had three children. Respondent filed for dissolution of the marriage in 2021. During the ensuing period, respondent made various allegations against appellant, including that he had molested the couple's young daughter. The parties nevertheless stipulated to joint legal and physical custody, and the trial court (Judge David J. Hesseltine) adopted their agreement as a permanent custody order.
In 2022, the parties filed competing DVRO applications. As relevant here, appellant alleged that respondent had: coached their daughter to falsely accuse him of abuse; made other false allegations against him and threatened to make additional false allegations to extract concessions; hacked into his computer, accessed his e-mail account, and forwarded his e-mails to her account; and placed GPS tracking devices in his car. He claimed that the totality of respondent's misconduct was disturbing his peace….
During the DVRO hearing, the trial court learned that a California law enforcement registry showed a handgun registered to appellant under a former name. The court immediately made the firearm order, instructing appellant to "fill out a DV-800 [form] to relinquish [the gun]." Appellant told the court that he did not have a gun, but the court replied that he could still file the form. The court later stated that it had concerns about either party owning a firearm and asserted that it could "make findings pursuant to Family Code Section 3011 for the best interest of the minor children." Appellant subsequently testified that he relinquished the gun in 2009 and offered documentary evidence as corroboration.
Following the hearing, the trial court denied both parties' DVRO applications. The court found neither party credible. As to appellant, it emphasized, inter alia, that he had failed to address "an implied understanding that [respondent] was allowed to track him," that his testimony had left out other adverse circumstances, and that he had not included his claims of physical abuse in his DVRO application. The court noted it was undisputed that respondent had accessed appellant's e-mail account and forwarded his e-mails to her private account. But overall, it said it could not find that either party was a primary aggressor….
We conclude the trial court erred by issuing the firearm order because it had no authority to do so. [I infer from the appellate court's willingness to consider the question that the firearm order also barred the husband from acquiring new firearms, since the old firearm was apparently long out of the picture by then. -EV] Under Family Code section 6218, "[u]pon issuance of a protective order," the court must order the restrained person to relinquish any firearm in his or her possession. Appellant, however, was never subject to any protective order—the court denied temporary orders and later denied both parties' DVRO applications. We are aware of no provision in division 10 of the Family Code governing DVRO proceedings that empowers the court to order a person to relinquish a firearm without issuing a protective order.
The trial court cited Family Code section 3011, but that section merely "lists specific factors … that the trial court must consider in determining the 'best interest' of the child in a proceeding to determine custody and visitation." It is not a source of authority for the court to impose substantive orders on the parents. In short, the court lacked authority to issue the firearm order, and we therefore reverse this order….
{Because we conclude the trial court lacked authority under California law to issue the firearm order, we need not consider appellant's contention that the order violated his rights under the Second Amendment.}
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The only "rights" liberals care about are being able to kill unborn babies and unnatural sex.
Planned Parenthood has done a lot of good things, like putting clinics in the middle of Black neighborhoods.
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Planned Parenthood has damaged all neighborhoods, including black ones.
And the sanction against the judge for such an obvious abuse of authority was … (crickets…).
The judge denied the restraining orders. Give him credit for that. Most judges always approve restraining orders, whether there is any legal justification or not.
Judges can make hundreds or even thousands of decisions every year. Even for a very good judge, some percentage of those decisions will be reversible error. If judges could be sanctioned every time they made an error of law, there would soon be no judges left.
Even for a very good judge, some percentage of those decisions will be reversible error.
"Reversible error" is a pretty generous way to describe the clear infringement of a fundamental constitutional right with no citable authority to do so.
Yup. An incalculable amount of harm is caused by low-level judges running around issuing orders like drunken monkeys.
Last week we saw the rubber-stamped order requiring 3rd parties to delete articles from the internet.
And a couple of months ago there was the judge who, without jurisdiction, issued an adoption for a kid 6 thousand miles away that had never been to the US, enabling her kidnapping. She still hasn't been reunited with her family.
These guys really need to be sanctioned.
There are zillions of laws and regulations, many of them idiotic, and if citizens can be punished for breaking just one of them …..
…..we’d be right where we are now.
I agree that judges shouldn’t be punished for one little honest mistake. But for egregious ones, I don’t see why not. We citizens don’t get a “c’mon man, cut me some slack” defense.
I distinguish ordinary errors from a court exceeding its jurisdiction.
The ruling seems correct and clearly so, given the facts in this case. Just hypothetically, what about a case where a parent (mom or dad…doesn’t matter which) has a firearm, leaves it out in plain sight in the home where the young kid has unsupervised access to it. (And, in fact, has had at least one occasion where the kid picked up the [loaded!!!] gun and easily could have killed itself/another person.)
In other words, this parent has a long history of being careless with this gun, but is in every other aspect, a fantastic parent. This parent owns a gun safe, but never uses it. But (I emphasize), is exemplary in the other 99.98% of his/her parenting.
Of course, a judge could look at these facts and order that this child be placed with the other parent, and that this parent have only monitored visitation while the child is physically at this parent’s home. But that doesn’t seem to be in the best interest of the child, if the judge is permitted to make this home gun-free…for at least a while. Is the judge really without the legal authority to order this parent to have the gun somewhere outside the home? (Here, no point in allowing the judge to order the parent to use the gun safe…all parties agree that this parent doesn’t follow this particular order.)
Maybe I’m searching for facts to justify giving judges some sort of ‘extra’ power. But since we do allow this in regards to the First Amendment (“Dad may not discuss X or Y with his child, and Mom may not discuss B, C, or D with this same child, during the times child is with the respective parent.”), I’d think that judges have similar discretion re the Second Amendment…assuming the judge lays the proper evidentiary/factual foundation for such a ruling.
So, because the court could order somebody not to raise certain subjects with certain people, it can order somebody to completely and utterly refrain from gun ownership?
Could the court under similar circumstances order somebody to undertake a vow of silence? Because that's the equivalent here.
Brett,
I'm not sure how telling a person to keep their gun at work, or in their car, in a safe, or with a friend, or with a family member, or at your local gun range, or at your hunting lodge, equates to banning gun ownership. That may be what your eyes/heart read. But I don't think it's what I actually wrote. I made it very clear in the hypo that the judge would be ordering the gun to be kept outside of that particular house, and that's the only limitation.
I wasn't responding to the hypothetical, but instead this: "The ruling seems correct, and clearly so." That is to say, your support of the actual ruling, not the hypothetical and more limited ruling.
So, let me amend that, in light of the hypothetical: Could the court under similar circumstances order somebody to undertake a situational vow of silence? "You will not speak at all at home."? "You may not be able to speak at home, you must wear a gag at home."?
Courts routinely identify particular speech conduct as tortuous, and enjoin that particular speech conduct, but not other unrelated speech conduct. They understand they are impinging on a basic constitutional right, and must do so only to the extent they can directly justify.
When it comes to guns, though, suddenly they stop reasoning this way, and just, wham, enjoin all exercise of the constitutional right, instead. NOT the identified tortuous conduct.
This is because they are reluctant to reason about gun ownership as a constitutional right. They really are determined to treat it as a mere privilege.
Ah, it occurs to me you might have meant the ruling overturning the surrender order, not the original order imposing it. If so, my apology for misunderstanding you.
I made it very clear in the hypo that the judge would be ordering the gun to be kept outside of that particular house, and that’s the only limitation.
You mean, the location that the Heller court said is the one where, "the need for defense of self, family, and property is most acute"?
Why should a judge be micromanaging their lives?
The way our family courts work, parents with total child custody can do whatever they want, subject to limits on abuse, neglect, truancy, etc., but those with partial custody are subject to judges investigating every aspect of their lives, and ordering behavior changes.
Or if Dad is a leadfoot driver with a history of traffic tickets, the judge could forbid him from owning an automobile (not just refrain from driving with the kid in the car, but not own an automobile at all).
In your car example; you seem fine with a judge ordering this reckless driver not to have the helpless child with him in the car. Fair enough.
I'm not quite sure how that relates to keeping a loaded gun in, say, the living room, knowing that your 6 year old can pick it up, play with it, point it at someone/herself, etc.
I'm envisioning a judge saying something along the lines of, "Hey, you have proven that you can't be responsible and have a gun in the house with you and your young child. Keep your gun at work. Or keep it in your car. Or rent a locker at the gun range. But since you have repeatedly refused to do easy and commonsense safety steps, and since it's my legal responsibility to ensure this child's safety, you have to do *something* so that the gun is not in the house. We tried it before, ordering you to keep the gun locked up, unloaded while in the house, etc.. Nothing worked. Now, we're moving on to Step Two."
“you seem fine with a judge ordering this reckless driver not to have the helpless child with him in the car. ”
That’s not what he said. You want to be able to order parents not to drive with their kids if they have a couple of tickets?
You want blanket authority to run the lives of parents just because they have children.
Disgusting.
"Maybe I’m searching for facts to justify giving judges some sort of ‘extra’ power."
Ya think!?!
We get to violate the first amendment, they should let us violate the second, too!
Maybe we should stop letting you violate the first, there's a thought.
Here is a case where a shitty little family court judge ordered a woman to go to anger management therapy for getting angry at cops and social workers who were illegally taking her kids.
These twerps need less power to give orders, not more.
If a parent is charged with a crime, say improper storage of a firearm or child endangerment, the judge gets a lot of power to set conditions of release. It is common in my state for people accused of driving crimes (vs. infractions) to be ordered not to drive while awaiting trial.
We need an open thread about the election.
Reason editors know Trump will win and don't want the mockery from an open thread.
I'll start. I wish Trump would do 1/100th of the things his opponents have said he will do. But he won't.
I sent an email to Volokh this morning asking him to make such a thread. No luck apparently. If anyone else here agrees, lets make this our election night thread. I'll post here thru the evening. If you anarchists win my disappointment will be on full display
Most of the Volokh authors including likely the so called more conservative ones like Eugene hate trump with the power of a thousand suns and are probably drinking themselves under the table right now.
I follow Prof. Volokh's posts pretty closely. I don't know where you get the idea that he "hates Trump."
I suspect the judge thought they were splitting the baby.
Fortunately, the appeals court overruled this decision.
If only those outraged by this were equally outraged when government agents kill people for exercising their Second Amendment rights.
I'm about to go to the Cuyahoga County Democrat's watch party starting at 7:30. I'm wearing my pink pussy toque with cat ears. You deplorables may base your political philosophy on the price of eggs and liberal tears. But you're still backing a rapist. So let's see what the night brings....
North Carolina looks interesting. Could the black nazi ruin the state this year?
Trump wins
I wish I was a fly on that wall. How delicious those tears must've have been.
"an implied understanding that [respondent] was allowed to track him"
Why not issue a general warrant while he was at it?
Dam. Looks like I'm going to have to pay off my student loans after all.
LOL
Its morning in America.
Even if I was a Dem I’d have no sympathy for all the others who are crying their eyes out right now. You ran with a corpse and then at the 11th hour dumped it for some barely known California leftist hack who ranked in the bottom tier the last time she tried her hand at the Presidency? Then while Trump is reaching out to the population through some of the most popular avenues like podcast you counter by hiding or partying with out of touch hollyweird celebs? Come on was this really a huge surprise? Really?
No you’re right. Its because America hates women and can’t stand the thought of a woman President. Keep going with that. Hold on to that to the end and beyond. I absolutely approve.
It was a surprise to them because they thought that with most of the media in their corner, they didn't really need to campaign, or have more than a place holder candidate. They thought the media headwind the Republicans faced would hand them a victory regardless.
I was listening to a radio host this morning who made a good point: In 2016 Trump made good use of social media, and managed to win. In 2020, he'd been deplatformed during the campaign, and Biden pulled off a narrow victory.
But Musk bought twitter, and without the Democrats being able to censor ALL social media sites of any consequence, in 2024 they got slaughtered.
In the alternate history where Musk hadn't bought Twitter? Kamala would be celebrating right now.
Thats why the Dems love actual censorship whereas they accuse republicans of censor for the banning of adult themed books in elementary school libraries.
quite a contrast.
A private company choosing not to distribute someone's speech is not "censorship."
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A private company choosing not to distribute someone’s speech is not “censorship.”
DN - You are fully aware that your talking point isnt the full story.
Indeed.
Say, David, have you ever heard of "Twitter Files"? You know, the ones that showed direct coordination of Twitter censorship by the government?
Wrong. It's not government censorship. Unless, of course, they were pressured by the government to do it.
In the founding era, government was basically the only institution large enough to impose censorship, things were too small scale and distributed for anybody else to pull it off. If one small publisher wouldn't publish your tract, another would, or you could get yourself a printing press and become a publisher, too, at their scale.
We find ourselves under different circumstances, where economies of scale and network effects have driven near monopolies in information related areas of the economy. The power to effectively censor is no longer confined to government, it now rests in the hands of a limited number of mega-corps.
I think we need to adjust our thinking to take that change into account. The threat of censorship is no longer centered just in government. It perhaps more comes from IP monopolists.
The Federal government pressuring private companies to do it for them, establishing self-deleting back channels between its agencies and their offices, granting security clearances to the companies' officers, and paying them for their time,
is.
You should listen to fewer dishonest radio hosts. Trump was not deplatformed during the campaign. He was deplatformed in 2021, after he tried to overthrow the government.
True, he wasn't totally deplatformed until then; During the campaign, "all" he was subject to was systematic throttling. Such as the effective suppression of the Hunter Biden laptop story, which polling showed would have elected Trump if FB and the like hadn't prevented a lot of people from learning about it.
Well said.