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Journal of Free Speech Law: "Hostile State Disinformation in the Internet Age," by Richard A. Clarke
A new article from the Daedalus (Journal of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences) Future of Free Speech Symposium.
The article is here; the Introduction:
State-sponsored disinformation (SSD) aimed at other nations' populations is a tactic that has been used for millennia. But SSD powered by internet social media is a far more powerful tool than the U.S. government had, until recently, assumed. Such disinformation can erode trust in government, set societal groups—sometimes violently—against each other, prevent national unity, amplify deep political and social divisions, and lead people to take disruptive action in the real world.
In part because of a realization of the power of SSD, legislators, government officials, corporate officials, media figures, and academics have begun debating what measures might be appropriate to reduce the destructive effects of internet disinformation. Most of the proposed solutions have technical or practical difficulties, but more important, they may erode the First Amendment's guarantee of free speech and expression. Foreign powers, however, do not have First Amendment rights. Therefore, in keeping with the Constitution, the U.S. government can act to counter SSD if it can establish clearly that the information is being disseminated by a state actor. If the government can act constitutionally against SSD, can it do so effectively? Or are new legal authorities required?
The federal government already has numerous legal tools to restrict activity in the United States by hostile nations. Some of those tools have recently been used to address hostile powers' malign "influence operations," including internet-powered disinformation. Nonetheless, SSD from several nations continues. Russia in particular runs a sophisticated campaign aimed at America's fissures that has the potential to greatly amplify divisions in this country, negatively affect public policy, and perhaps stimulate violence.
Russia has created or amplified disinformation targeting U.S. audiences on such issues as the character of U.S. presidential candidates, the efficacy of vaccines,
Martin Luther King Jr., the legitimacy of international peace accords, and many other topics that vary from believable to the outlandish. While the topics and the social media messages may seem absurd to many Americans, they do gain traction with some—perhaps enough to make a difference. There is every reason to believe that Russian SSD had a significant influence on, for example, the United Kingdom's referendum on Brexit and the 2016 U.S. presidential election. But acting to block such SSD does risk spilling over into actions limiting citizens' constitutional rights.The effectiveness of internet-powered, hostile foreign government disinformation, used as part of "influence operations" or "hybrid war," stems in part from the facts that the foreign role is usually well hidden, the damage done by foreign operations may be slow and subtle, and the visible actors are usually Americans who believe they are fully self-motivated. Historically, allegations of "foreign ties" have been used to justify suppression of Americans dissenting from wars and other government international activities. Thus, government sanctions against SSD, such as regulation of the content of social media, should be carefully monitored for abuse and should be directed at the state sponsor, not the witting or unwitting citizen.
Government regulation of social media is problematic due to the difficulty of establishing the criteria for banning expression and because interpretation is inevitably required during implementation. The government could use its resources to publicly identify the foreign origins and actors behind malicious SSD. It could share that data with social media organizations and request they block or label it. A voluntary organization sponsored by social media platforms could speedily review such government requests and make recommendations. Giving the government the regulatory capability to block social media postings—other than those clearly promoting criminal activity such as child pornography, illegal drug trafficking, or human smuggling—could lead to future abuses by politically motivated regulators.
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Eugene, you are so naive.
Everyone on the right knows that the US “mainstream” media have published pretty much only lies, SSD, from the Bush-41 administration to the present day. It’s even more so in most European countries, where dissent from The Narrative can get you imprisoned for hate speech.
This is no accident. It began as a CIA op, “Operation Mockingbird,” and has since been partly outsourced to allied countries, thus creating “Five Eyes.” All the three-letter agencies (aka the deep state) are involved, and they’re now trying to murder Trump for blowing the whistle on them. If they succeed, the republic is gone.
All this would be little known except for the alt-media. Explore the contents of Rumble and BitChute and you will gain understanding.
The Birchers won, Buckley lost.
Hooooly shit.
And the proof is that "everybody knows".
See how a Nazi talks.
Right here in front of you. Observe how he behaves. Note his style of rhetoric.
Today it’s they’re all liars. Tomorrow it’s they’re running a conspiracy to destroy you. The day after that they all need to be imprisoned. And the day after that they all need to be shot.
Let this type of person control the government, and that’ s what will happen.
The Republican leadership has very little regard for their lives, or the lives of their familes. They forget that nearly every member of Stalin’s first parliament was dead not too long after, and the whole family too for many. Or perhaps they foolishly think this time things will be different.
Hey, don't you know we're the good guys, so our propaganda is good and their propaganda is bad?
They're just doing to us what we've been doing to them since forever. The existence of counter-narratives to the official narrative is not the end of the world. Anti Vietnam war, anti Iraq war narratives etc. could have also been said to be counter narratives that helped our enemies.
Maybe it is a good thing for our government's foreign policy establishment to find it difficult to impose their official narrative, given their record.
How can anyone believe anything coming from the "intelligence community" after the Hunter Biden laptop and after the Russia collusion stuff?
What a bore this becomes. So many problems, all with the same solution. Once again, private editing prior to publication bypasses the need for government intervention, and spares the hazards of encouraging government censorship.
Sure, private citizens may believe they are fully self-motivated. And thus become unwitting agents of foreign governments looking to spread disinformation.
Professional private editors may not be better informed, but they work differently. They look at a story and ask, “What proof do I have that it is true?” No proof they can rely on? The story either gets discarded, or held pending confirmation by known-reliable sources.
That process does not work perfectly. But it sets up across the publishing ecosystem a headwind that disinformation can rarely prevail against.
I am of the opinion that Substack has proven the value of editors.
See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYL51N-fhks
OK, that's an extreme but professional editors have give us everything from "you send me the pictures, I'll send you the war" to "fake but accurate."
You must be insane if you think that paid "professional" editors have higher standards than varsity ones. In fact, the paid editor has to worry more about the money than the truth -- it's what his boss wants printed and what will sell papers and advertising.
I've often thought that long-time commenter here Krayt has the best reasoning to oppose government censorship: Why trust government to handle this? What gives them the right to do this? The great thing about Anglo-American tradition is this kind of question should be natural.
Having said that, should we allow foreign governments to operate psy-ops here? One thing that might be worse than our government using its power to shape public opinion is foreign ones.
That’s a good question. These foreign governments themselves censor with no concern at all, being dictatorships.
From what I hear around here, the SC has ruled the American people have a right to hear anything, including what lying dictatorships say. But knowledge is power, and I have no issues with laws requiring them or their pushers to say exactly who is pushing it. People may have the right to speak anonymously, but insidious governments do not.
I’ve sarcastically called for Hollywood movies, altered to be friendly to the Chinese government, to open with a disclaimer, “Warning! This movie was edited and written and changed so as not to anger the Chinese dictatorship, lest they cut off the movie studio from its market, and not just for this film but any of its products.” The American people deserve to know when this happens.
Various pro sports leagues, and video game companies (and video game pro sports leagues, there’s the future for you) soft-pedal reactions when China does something nasty, looking the other way.
It is, sadly, a target rich environment of concern to those who love freedom, and freedom of speech. This is the “exporting of censorship” beyond the border of China.
Let's ask a different question about the regulation of free speech and government actions in regards to free speech by government actors.
Recently, the California Costal Commission, a state government commission, has decided to reject the US military’s plan to let SpaceX launch up to 50 rockets per year from the base in Santa Barbara County. This apparently is because, in part, according to one commissioner, [Elon] Musk has “aggressively injected himself into the presidential race.”
So, let's be clear here. A State government organization has decided to reject a permit (for additional space launches) because the owner of that company has used his free speech rights to support a US Presidential Candidate.
What else can the State of California do? Have their tax revenue department select people who donate to the GOP for "additional special audits" because of their donations?
What is an appropriate response by the federal government for State organizations targeting people based on their political views?
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4929669-elon-musk-renounces-rocket-man/
Is this like suggesting a network should lose their broadcasting license for what is seen as unfair news coverage of a candidate?
There's a huge difference. Trump's rant has very little likelihood of ever being implemented, let alone upheld by courts. Whereas the Coastal Commission has, apparently, implemented their political interference.
Same with the Hunter Biden laptop misinformation, by the government, just before an election, which it very likely changed.
Unlikely maybes are nowhere near as concerning as actual events.
Trump’s rant has very little likelihood of ever being implemented
No. Fuck you.
Guy running for President promises an authoritarian police state, you believe them. You don't waive it away.
Unless you're an authoritarian yourself.
Don't worry, Sarcastr0's busy defending the authoritarians in power now. He thinks denying commercial permits based on the business owner's political speech is great, so long as it is against the GOP.
I didn't say anything like what you claim.
Nor do I defend authoritarians by claiming it's okay to support them because they'll be stopped, like SGT did
Nor do I defend authoritarians by just pointing elsewhere and making fallacious attacks, like you did.
But you excuse the reality that has happened in favor of believing something that has little chance of happening.
TDS. It's real. You've got it.
I don't know. I want another source than Turley.
It's California, they're absolutely capable of this kind of dunderheadedness. But I'm skeptical of stories that come from the opinion pages and agree with the priors of the author.
I've been pretty consistent on this fact with stories from both sides of the aisle.
We'll know by tomorrow I expect.
I echo Sarcastr0's sentiments here. Fuck the pro-Trump Nazis who keep defending Trump's overt promises to be a Nazi by saying, "Oh, he won't be able to do it." First, yes, he can. Second, it doesn't matter. It goes along with "He was just joking"/"Those are just mean tweets" and other apologias for Naziism. When you support one, you are one.
You’ve got TDS too.
* You think pointing out Trump won’t follow through, and will be stopped by the courts if he tries, makes me a pro-Trump Nazi.
* You ignore the reality of censorship that your side has already been doing for years.
* You pretend I support Trump's censorship because I point out how unlikely it is.
When you support censorship, you are a censor.
One hopes the courts will do the right thing.
One expects the courts will do the right thing.
Should one rely on the courts doing the right thing?
And his opponents have already delivered. You still care more about the threat than the reality. That's TDS.
"Same with the Hunter Biden laptop misinformation, by the government,"
Who do you think was in charge of the government then?
What do you think has led you to make these kind of laughable comments?
Right. Because Trump would have censored it.
You guys have all the logic of a dead cockroach.
Yessirree Bob. Trump is so all-powerful that he reached deep into the bowels of the FBI and CIA to censor a report that would have helped him win, and then after he was no longer President, he was still so all-powerful that he reached deep into those bowels again to show that his first censorship was a Bad Thing.
And now he's so all-powerful that his mere threat of doing something illegal, which the courts are almost certainly going to rule illegal, is more dangerous than four years of actual censorship by his opponents, your side.
Gadzooks the orange man is sure one powerful dude.
And me pointing that out means I am a neo Nazi Trump supporter.
You guys are really losing it. I hope Trump wins just to see you crying for the next four years. He won't fuck the country up quite as much as Kamalabama, but he'll fuck you TDS victims up much much more, and that will be a ticket worth buying.
Trump DID get Musk to censor stuff.
You utter tool.
Ignore all the evil shit your side wants. Make up evil shit the other side has done.
This is how you rationalize being a footsoldier in an authoritarian government.
If Trump asks you to go door to door executing the libs, it's pretty clear you'd hop to.
What the hell are you talking about? There was no report anywhere that was censored by anyone, let alone by the FBI and CIA. Nor, of course, would it have helped Trump win, since there wasn't anything on it of interest to anyone.
There was no misinformation, let alone "by the government," about the laptop, and of course Trump was running the government at the time.
And why the hell would a laptop that had absolutely nothing of interest on it other than some evidence that Hunter Biden — who was not running for president — didn't pay his taxes have "likely changed" the election?
Nieporent — The standard, as always, is the MAGA election expectation. If they do not get a win, then something changed the result . . . for sure.
Ooooh, no, the government never said it was a fake, no, not once.
And why would they, the thing has no value. Why, it has so little value that it freaks Democrats out for no reason! That's a mighty powerful zero there.
You guys keep ignoring reality, go ahead, you make up fascinating fairy tales.
Correct. That did not happen.
1) "whataboutism"
2) If Trump actually did pull a broadcast license, many would claim bloody murder (including you) and there would be all sorts of lawsuits
2) Whatever might be "suggested" is hypothetical. This was actually carried out by the California Commission.
Trump tried to overthrow the government and it took roughly a week for the excuses and denials to start.
When did he try to overthrow the government?
Those lions won't sea themselves.
This apparently is because,
in part,
according to one commissioner
Triple weasel provisos, but then taking the Turley opinion piece he links to as gospel.
Not convincing to anyone who isn't already in the tank, but this is how the idiots keep themselves outraged, I guess!
The links are clear, and Turley links to the other pieces.
It's pretty clear that Musk's political stance played a major role in the California Commission denying the permit.
This is wrong. Surely you must see this.
The links are NOT clear, as the weaseling down of the evidence demonstrates.
And Turley is not an honest broker. You just agree with him so you're not bothering to check any other sources.
If you need to lie and dissemble to make your clear cut case, maybe your case isn't clear cut.
Setting aside all other issues, I am puzzled how a state government agency has any ability to reject a federal proposal to launch stuff from a military base.
Didn't they demonstrate the ability to reject it? Remember, the political part never has to match the policy part—which is the part that would prevent the launch.
Then you haven’t been following California politics for a long long time.
Hint: Musk is not military.
This has nothing to do with politics; I am not asking why they might do it. I am discussing legality. Since when does the California Coastal Commission have any jurisdiction?
For a state like California, which (like most others) falls all over itself to maintain its Silicon Valley high tech advantage, robo cars, AI, big Inernet media companies, to suddenly turn on space launches from some political enemy, seems mighty odd, to say nothing of obvious illegality, a commissioner getting too big for his britches, The People feeling they are not being served faithfully or for their benefit.
David, are you really that stupid?
The Federal Government can and often does grant authority to states. For example, while they are Federal vehicles, the Federal employees driving the large trucks transporting hatchery fish to where they are released are required to have a STATE-issued CDL because the Feds say so.
First and foremost, while he may not state permission to launch, the Feds give states control over the first three nautical miles of ocean and he needs the state permission to cross those waters.
Second, I would be very surprised if his agreement with the military doesn't have some clause about requiring this Cali permission for his launches or something along these lines.
Third, the EPA has authority over the military and a lot of EPA's authority is delegated to the state EPAs.
I was asking someone who actually knows something, not you.
"What is an appropriate response by the federal government for State organizations targeting people based on their political views?"
We have a law for that: 18 USC 242:
"Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, ... shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both"
"The agency’s commissioners, appointed by the governor and legislative leaders, voted 6-4 to reject the Air Force’s plan over concerns that all SpaceX launches would be considered military activity, shielding the company from having to acquire its own permits, even if military payloads aren’t being carried."
The article you linked to in the Hill is just conspiratorial nonsense based on a passing comment from one commissioner. You're a gullible fool.
Richard A. Clarke's front-row seat to the GW Bush Administration's waving away of Clinton-Gore's concern about terrorism, and his front row seat to the runup to the Iraq War, certainly qualifies him to talk about government misinformation. /nosarc
“But acting to block such [state-sponsored disinformation] does risk spilling over into actions limiting citizens’ constitutional rights.”
Feature, not bug, for the regulators.
And it's easy enough to blame domestic political turmoil and violence on a sinister foreign "other."
"Vladimir Putin made us riot in the streets! He made my aunt Flozzie stop speaking to me!"
As a teenager, I once listened to Radio Bulgaria on the shortwave.
Total propaganda, and I knew it, but it still was interesting to listen to -- although I think their intended audience was Western Europe as they mentioned driving to Bulgaria and to "pull out the map, it isn't as far as you think."
My folks subscribed to Soviet Life for a year, a Soviet picture magazine version of Life and Look magazines. Same thing. Even as a kid, it smelt of elderberries, but it was still interesting.
Richard Clarke is, as he's always been, full of shit. "There is every reason to believe that Russian SSD had a significant influence on, for example, the United Kingdom's referendum on Brexit and the 2016 U.S. presidential election."
No, there isn't. Most analyses have shown that Russian efforts have had little reach or effect, and those that say otherwise have as their premise that if an American or Brit agrees with something Russia has claimed, it can only be because they were tricked by Russian online propaganda.