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Insulting Anti-Gay Preaching at PrideFest Event May Have Been Protected by the First Amendment
(depending on whether the preacher also violated content-neutral conduct restrictions).
From an order this Monday by Judge Kevin Castel (S.D.N.Y.) In Rusfeldt v. City of New York (just an excerpt of a long opinion):
Pastor Aden Rusfeldt brings claims arising from his interactions with and arrest by officers of the New York City Police Department ("NYPD") that occurred while he was holding up a large sign on a long pole reading "Fags and Whores Burn in Hell" at the June 27, 2021 PrideFest in Manhattan….
The First Amendment protects Rusfeldt's right to express his message and the Pride festivalgoers' right to express their hostility to his message. The expressive elements of Rusfeldt's hateful message and the festivalgoers' expressed antipathy to the message do not require law enforcement to turn a blind eye to the potential that the physical proximity of the two groups could lead to unlawful behavior. But the permissible means to mitigate the potential for escalation cannot be the removal of a person engaging in protected speech merely to appease others offended by his expressive activity. Provocations to immediate violence may change the calculus.
When police officers learned that objects and liquids had been thrown by members of the crowd of Pride festivalgoers in the direction of Rusfeldt, they stepped into action. They could have ordered the crowd dispersed or arrested an offender, if the person was observed and could be identified and apprehended. Police officers selected a different response, at first standing in between Rusfeldt's group and the crowd and then moving metal barriers into place between the two groups, which did not impair the ability of Rusfeldt or the festivalgoers to deliver their messages.
Law enforcement also had concerns that Rusfeldt was on the sidewalk with a long pole holding his message aloft, potentially blocking the sidewalk and presenting a hazard to others. Police officers told Rusfeldt to move—or, as defendants now characterize it, ordered him to disperse. Rusfeldt was ultimately arrested. The "Complaint/Information" for the violation of at least one of New York's disorderly conduct provisions (N.Y. Penal Law § 240.20(7)), which was affirmed by the officer on the date of the arrest, noted that Rusfeldt was "in possession of a large metal pole. Defendant was asked to relinquish the pole and refused to do so." The charges were later dismissed without any court appearance.
The lawfulness of Rusfeldt's arrest does not turn on whether the individual officers loved or hated his message but on whether they had probable cause to arrest him and whether they would have arrested another person with a very different message under similar circumstances.
The fog of police action on June 27, 2021 is not sufficiently clarified by snippets of video, augmented by deposition testimony. Material issues of fact abound that preclude this Court from definitively opining on the lawfulness of police conduct….
Defendants assert that the words used by Rusfeldt on a large sign held aloft on a pole, "Fags and Whores Burn in Hell," were intended by Rusfeldt "to shock and upset his target audience: members of the LGBTQ+ community. In that context his sign was fighting words unworthy of protection under the First Amendment."
Defendants' position is profoundly wrong. Obnoxious and loathsome speech is protected under the First Amendment. Snyder v. Phelps (2011) (citation omitted) ("If there is a bedrock principle underlying the First Amendment, it is that the government may not prohibit the expression of an idea simply because society finds the idea itself offensive or disagreeable."); see also National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie (1977) (per curiam) (vacating order enjoining "displaying any materials which incite or promote hatred against persons of Jewish faith"); Brown v. State of Louisiana (1966) (citations omitted) ("Participants in an orderly demonstration in a public place are not chargeable with the danger, unprovoked except by the fact of the constitutionally protected demonstration itself, that their critics might react with disorder or violence.")….
Rusfeldt mounts a First Amendment challenge to his arrest. It stands or falls principally on whether there was probable cause for his arrest. The Supreme Court has considered "whether probable cause to make an arrest defeats a claim that the arrest was in retaliation for speech protected by the First Amendment." The Court concluded that the existence of probable cause defeated the claim. The Court noted one possible exception to the rule: "Although probable cause should generally defeat a retaliatory arrest claim, a narrow qualification is warranted for circumstances where officers have probable cause to make arrests, but typically exercise their discretion not to do so." …
Rusfeldt makes no effort to show that NYPD officers typically do not make arrests in similar circumstances when the participants are not engaged in expressive activity or when they are expressing a favored viewpoint. Rusfeldt's effort to draw a close analogy to police inaction in response to the conduct of the Pride crowd of festivalgoers fails. The police were across the street when objects were thrown in the direction of Rusfeldt, and the record does not permit the conclusion that the police had the ability to identify and arrest the offender or offenders. It was only Rusfeldt, and not any of the festivalgoers, who was on the sidewalk holding aloft a long metal pole supporting a banner, a pole which arguably presented a hazard to those in proximity to it. No reasonable factfinder could conclude that the waving of a rainbow flag by one Pride festivalgoer seen on a video presented a hazardous or physically offensive condition.
Rusfeldt asserts that as a matter of law there was no probable cause for his arrest. Defendants assert that as a matter of law there was probable cause for his arrest. (ECF 109 at 17-21.) The Court concludes that there are material issues of fact that preclude summary judgment.
The principal statute relied upon by the parties with respect to their probable cause arguments is N.Y. Penal Law § 240.20, which provides, in pertinent part, as follows:
A person is guilty of disorderly conduct when, with intent to cause public inconvenience, annoyance, or alarm, or recklessly creating a risk thereof: …
[(6)] He congregates with other persons in a public place and refuses to comply with a lawful order of the police to disperse; or
[(7)] He creates a hazardous or physically offensive condition by any act which serves no legitimate purpose….
Rusfeldt does not dispute that the NYPD gave him orders to leave the area, that he understood these orders, and that he did not comply with them. He also does not dispute that the NYPD officers were motivated by a desire to control or maintain the public order "that was either disrupted or threatened to be disrupted by the crowd that gathered around" him when they issued these orders. Rusfeldt argues, however, that these orders were not "orders to disperse," as the term is used in N.Y. Penal Law § 240.20(6), and that they were also unlawful orders.
An order by police for an individual to disperse or leave an area while exercising his right to free speech is a restriction on that speech. Because Rusfeldt was ordered to disperse under a New York statute and that order restricted his speech, the Court must determine both whether the order was "lawful" under New York law and whether it satisfied the requisite Supreme Court standard for a restriction of Rusfeldt's constitutional rights under the First Amendment. See id. (citations omitted) ("The First Amendment, however, 'does not guarantee the right to communicate … at all times and places or in any manner that may be desired.' … At issue here is the balance between an individual's First Amendment right to engage in a conversation on a public sidewalk with protestors and the government's interest in maintaining public safety and order.")…. [Factual details on this, as well as on whether Rusfeldt's carrying the pole or Rusfeldt's blocking the sidewalk created a hazardous condition, omitted. -EV]
The court therefore allowed Rusfeldt's First Amendment claim to go forward.
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"Defendants' position is profoundly wrong."
If this sort of statement were more often followed up by "Defendant's brief is stricken" or "Defendants lawyers are subject to ritual defenestration under Rule 11 and the court's inherent powers" then there would be an incentive not to make frivolous arguments.
Agreed. Until judges start putting some teeth into their orders, this is mere whining.
"May"???
Voltaire wept
Frank
Cf. Gregory v. City of Chicago, 394 U.S. 111 (decided March 10, 1969): police cannot order a demonstration dispersed if it’s the onlookers who are getting violent, not the demonstrators (this was comedian and activist Dick Gregory, fondly remembered at least by me, leading a police-escorted antisegregation demonstration from City Hall to the mayor’s residence, the not-so-fondly remembered Richard J. Daley)
aren't the Police supposed to preserve the Disorder?
Isn't Chicago the place they seized rude paintings of some dead mayor in lingerie, joyously latching on as an enforcement arm of the heckler's veto?
It's cute that the judge is trying to act like this is a matter of principle and law, when the recent history of police conduct has shown that police of today are no different then the police at Kent State.
Which is to say, this guy is lucky he wasn't shot.
This is a strange way to frame the judge's denial of both motions for summary judgment. There's no question here whether anti-gay "confrontational evangelism" at a Pride event is protected by the First Amendment. The question is whether the police arresting the "preacher" were improperly motivated by his speech (or the Pride crowd's reaction to it) or rather by genuine issues with the way the "preacher" was going about his "confrontational evangelism."
In any event - this kind of scenario raises some challenging questions on what the cops may do, when facing a situation like this, where a "protester" is specifically trying to elicit a violent reaction short of using "fighting words." Anyone familiar with this kind of "confrontational preaching" understands that it is not designed to persuade, much less engage anyone in an actual discussion. These "preachers" are often funded by church groups for the purpose of causing trouble; this particular one appears to also be interested in capturing video of the response, for the benefit of rage-watchers at home.
There is no question in my mind that holding up an offensive sign in a public space near to a group of Pride-goers is protected by the First Amendment. It seems also clear that arresting the "preacher" for continuing to hold up that sign, after being order to leave by the cops, assuming that the cops were motivated by the offensive nature of his message and "preaching" and the sort of security problem it could create, would be a violation of the First Amendment.
But can the cops do nothing? Sure, they could seek out and arrest anyone who violently responds. But do they need to wait for violence to arise, before acting? What can they do?
Perhaps they can do something like maintain a "neutral zone" between the "preacher" and the Pride crowd. But wouldn't that be speech-restricting, for either side? The opinion makes clear that members of the crowd wanted to interact with the "preacher," and it's also clear that the "preacher" wanted to elicit some kind of interaction (albeit for the benefit of the rage-watchers). What if the "preacher" were to take the position that it is an essential component of his "speech activity" that he mix in with and interact with the Pride crowd? One can easily see that being the case for someone trying to produce "man on the street" content.
So can anything be done, by the cops, to avoid a violent altercation before it happens?
I mean, cops create "neutral zones" to keep protestors/counter-protestors apart all the time. So if that's unconstitutional, then that discussion is way bigger then this case.
That said, while I have zero faith that this guy was acting in good faith --he wanted a fight, and wasn't terribly concerned with whether it was with the attendees or the cops-- the US Constitutions Freedom of Speech is pretty solidly on the side of the person saying "I'm not touching you, I'm not touching you" rather then the side of the person who finally snaps and bops the first person in the nose.
The whole "fighting words doctrine" is shaky and inconsistent at best.
It's quite possible he wanted a fight, which was not inconsistent with acting in good faith.
Sometimes you want, in good faith, to demonstrate that your opponents are the sort of violent maniacs who respond to peaceful speech with violence.
And sometimes you're the sort of person who masturbates to videos depicting it happening.
I presume that, if you were THAT sort of person, you'd fit right in at a 'pridefest'.
There are a fair number of older gays at Pride events in NYC. Survivors of the AIDS epidemic and people who came up after the first antiretrovirals became available. It's weird; people in that age cohort aren't entirely sure who they are or should be. They didn't have anyone to look up to.
Some of them, I suppose, might be into BDSM. But they're probably not watching the outrage media you're whackin' it to.
Bellmore, you do remember I've had you muted since you repeatedly proved you couldn't comprehend that 2003 happened before 2015, right? It was your whole "I blame gay marriage for New Mexico's non-discrimination law!" nonsense.
No, actually, I don't keep track of people who mute me, and it's not like Reason's comment system notifies you when you're replying to somebody who has you muted. (Maybe you want to put in a feature request?)
I do have some vague memory of you inventing a nonsensical complaint of some sort like that. But since Reason has rendered the comments unsearchable via search engines, you'd have to point out the thread so I could remind you why the complaint was nonsense.
I refer you back to my comment, where I said:
The point being that, while a pretextual arrest for "disturbing the peace" seems like a violation of the "preacher's" First Amendment rights, there are a variety of other actions that the "preacher" could just as plausibly alleged limited his "free speech" rights. "Time, place and manner" restrictions are often permitted, but what we are specifically talking about here are restrictions being imposed because of what the "preacher" wants to say.
Like - imagine a "free speech zone" situation where two sides to an intense public debate want to come protest at the same time, and against one another. The cops decide that safety and order requires some physical separation of the two sides. Expecting one side to be more popular (and so the protesters more numerous) they set one zone in a more visible location adjacent to more amenities (transit, restrooms, food, etc.). The other zone is in a different area and not even fully visible from the other zone, with fewer amenities. That is a content-based decision, one that potentially impacts the free speech interests of the latter group (insofar as they want both the general public and their counter-protest target to see their own protest).
There's also a "free exercise" dimension to this. Why wouldn't the "preacher" be able to claim that any physical restriction on where he protested Pride restricted the "free exercise" of his faith, which is apparently to catch Pride-goers making obscene gestures on camera?
You do realize that your "imagine" is actually police SOP, right?
That's why I said "if that’s unconstitutional, then that discussion is way bigger then this case."
Fucking idiots.
Yes, I am trying to have a bigger discussion than this case. Glad that you're starting to catch up.
That's twice now you've implied I don't understand what you're saying.
It'd odd.
My disinterest in debating this is not because of a lack of understanding, it's because I think it's moot. So I'm going to suggest that instead of continuing to try and berate me into debating this with you, you find someone that does want to, and berate them until they don't.
That’s twice now you’ve implied I don’t understand what you’re saying.
Well, you don't seem to.
You say that the question I am raising in my original comment is "moot." The question was: The First Amendment places limits on what the cops can do, in order to prevent offensive speech from triggering a violent response. This case shows that the cops can't order someone to "disperse" from a tense situation and then arrest them for non-compliance, solely because their speech is causing the tension. But if they can't do that, what can they do? Aren't conventional practices, such as separating groups physically, constitutionally suspect for similar reasons, particularly where intermixing and personal engagement is part of the point of the speech in question?
It's no answer to this to say, "well the cops do that all the time, and they haven't been stopped yet." That's a total non-response. It's not an argument, it's not based in any legal reasoning. It's just a refusal to even engage with the question. If they told this "preacher" guy to go around the corner, out of sight of the Pridefest, in order to do his street "preaching" - in a physically separated "free speech zone" - does the opinion in the OP play out differently? Does the "preacher" have a claim, or not?
So - yes, I am going to berate you for leaving a pointless comment that doesn't reflect any interest or ability to engage with the actual question I was asking.
"I am going to berate you for leaving a pointless comment"
Except that's not what you're doing.
As I said, you've been trying to berate me into debating you.
Merely berating me? Nah. If you were doing that you wouldn't have wasted so much time restating your point three ways now.
It's weird.
Huh. My first thought on reading the headline was, if you can't insult anti-gay preaching at a 'pridefest' where COULD you insult it?
Anyway, "Police officers told Rusfeldt to move—or, as defendants now characterize it, ordered him to disperse."
Is dispersing the sort of thing one person is capable of doing? I mean, and surviving doing it, of course...
Of course. Unless the transporter is malfunctioning.
Defendants assert that the words used by Rusfeldt on a large sign held aloft on a pole, "Fags and Whores Burn in Hell," were intended by Rusfeldt "to shock and upset his target audience: members of the LGBTQ+ community. In that context his sign was fighting words unworthy of protection under the First Amendment."
If that's true, then 99% of "Pride" Festivals are "fighting words unworthy of protection under the First Amendment".
Because pretty much all of them contain large amounts of behavior designed "to shock and upset [the] target audience:" Normal human beings.
If you're allowed to "freak the mundanes", then they're allowed to "freak" you.
Evergreen, from when the Onion was still funny:
Gay-Pride Parade Sets Mainstream Acceptance Of Gays Back 50 Years