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Waiving the Filibuster to Pass a National Abortion Bill Is a Bad Idea
Democrats will live to regret doing this if they have the votes to do it.
Vice President Kamala Harris has called for eliminating the filibuster to pass a national bill codifying abortion rights. Other top Democrats have called for abolishing the filibuster to pass a Supreme Court packing bill or voting rights legislation. Suspending the filibuster for your highest policy priorities, like guaranteeing abortion rights nationwide, is a very bad idea for four reasons.
First, if Kamala Harris and the Democrats abolish the filibuster on an issue as big as abortion rights for women, or to pack the Supreme Court, the Republicans will abolish the filibuster when they are next in power to ban public sector unions nationwide, to require school choice nationwide, to require tort reform nationwide, and to repack the Supreme Court. Democrats eliminated the filibuster of executive and judicial officers on the lower federal courts in 2013. As a direct result, when Republicans came to power and had a Senate majority in 2017, they eliminated the filibuster on Supreme Court nominees. This allowed the confirmations of Neil Gorsuch, by a vote of 54 to 45, of Brett Kavanaugh by a vote of 50 to 48, and of Amy Coney Barrett in October of a presidential election year by a vote of 52 to 48. What goes around comes around. Kamala Harris and the Democratic Party will rue the day they eliminated the filibuster to pass national abortion rights legislation or a Supreme Court packing bill.
This leads me to my second point, which is this: the one thing that we know for sure about the upcoming election on November 5th is that the presidential race and the races for control of both Houses of Congress are going to be incredibly close. If Democrats elect Harris by a small margin and win control of the two Houses of Congress by a small margin, they will not have a mandate to make a sweeping constitutional change in our system of government. Suspending the filibuster in the Senate would be a sweeping and probably permanent constitutional change in our system of government.
How would Democrats feel if a slim Republican majority in Congress and a Republican President elected by a slim margin required that voters in every state produce a driver's license or a passport in order to be eligible to vote in an election, or if a slim Republican trifecta banned mail in voting in every state because the secret ballot is compromised when people vote outside of polling booths, which it surely is?
To understand why keeping the filibuster is so important, consider my third point, which is this: One of the most important ways in which our Constitution and its system of checks and balances, which has traditionally included the filibuster, protects liberty and promotes economic growth is by creating certainty and predictability, which reduces the risk factor for investors. Few will want to start a business or try to invent a better mousetrap to make money in a country whose legal system might allow for the confiscation of that business or mousetrap income twenty years from now. Many authors will not write a controversial book or article or op-ed or give a speech if their country's legal system might allow them to be prosecuted for what they say twenty years from new.
The reason the United States has the highest GDP per capita of any of the G-20 nations is because our constitutional system of checks and balances, which has always included the filibuster in the Senate, makes investing in, and writing in, the United States very safe because the law is very certain and very predictable. (That's my view based on a good deal of study of comparative G-20 constitutional law.) In the United Kingdom's parliamentary system, which gives total power to the majority party in the House of Commons, the Conservative Party won a majority of 365 seats out of a total of 650 seats, which it used to accomplish Brexit from the European Union—a constitutional kind of change that would certainly have been filibustered in the U.S. Senate if such a question arose. Five years later, in 2024, the left-wing Labour Party won total power with a landslide majority of 411 seats. The U.K.'s constitutional system bubbles with uncertainty and unpredictability compared to the U.S.'s constitutional system of checks and balances, one of which is the Senate filibuster.
The net result is that the United States, in 2023, had a GDP per capita that is $73,637 according to the World Bank—the highest of the G-20 nations. The United Kingdom, in 2023, however, had a GDP per capita of only $54,126 because its constitutional system is so unpredictable and uncertain in the outcomes it generates. The average American generates $19,511 more wealth per year than does the average citizen of the U.K. This is because the risk factor for investment in the U.S. is so much lower than it is in the U.K.
China may have the second largest economy in the world because it has 1.4 billion people, but its GDP per capita in 2023 was only $22,135, which ranks it only 15th among the G-20 nations. This is because Chinese communism and dictatorship make life very uncertain and very unpredictable.
Fourth, the idea of a national rule on abortion is a bad idea because the United States is the third most populous nation, and the fourth largest, territorially, in the world. Moral opinions on abortion differ greatly from state to state. In Tim Walz's Minnesota, abortion is available through the ninth month of pregnancy—a law which many find to be appalling. In Texas, abortion is totally illegal with limited exceptions, which many also find appalling. The federal government of our vast, continental democracy should focus on national defense and the protection of free trade in interstate commerce. Health and morals matters should be left to the states, except for the protection of civil rights protected by the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and for the application of the Bill of Rights to the States through the Fourteenth Amendment.
Sadly, I predict that most states will legalize overly broad abortion rights by referenda including in the ten referenda on abortion, which will be held on November 5th of this year. Such referenda have passed even in very red states like Kansas and Ohio and such a referendum may even pass in Florida, which requires 60% of the vote, because the Republicans got ahead of the people of Florida by banning abortion after 6 weeks of pregnancy, as President Trump has correctly said. Many women do not even know if they are pregnant at that point, and, given that the fetus is only the size of a quarter of an inch or a pomegranate seed at that point in pregnancy, many have trouble thinking of such a small entity as being a human being.
The bottom line is that abortion is going to end up being legal in most states whether one likes that outcome or not. Women who really want an abortion will generally be able to cross a state line and get one. Abortion rights advocates should spend their time raising money to pay for travel expenses for poor women to cross state lines to get an abortion. They should not spend time and money forcing states like Mormon Utah or evangelical Christian Alabama to allow, on their own territory, what the people of those states deem to be the taking of a human life.
There are some sound constitutional reasons for keeping decisions on moral and religious matters at the State level, which is why the First Amendment forbade a national establishment of religion, which might have displaced the established Congregationalist Church in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New Hampshire, in 1791. Come to think of it, Americans in those three New England states are very moralistic in 2024, and they are particularly eager to this day to impose their moral views on abortion on Mormons in Utah or fundamentalist Christians in Alabama who have very different moral views.
Religious belief, moral beliefs, tastes, preferences, and even the conditions of day-to-day life differ greatly among the 50 states, which means that a national rule will often make more people unhappy than leaving a matter to the states to decide. In the 1970's, President Jimmy Carter established a national speed limit of 55 miles per hour which made sense in New Jersey, our most population dense state, but which made no sense in Montana, which is 48th in population density. When President Ronald Reagan returned the power to set speed limits to the states in the 1980's, Montana abolished its speed limit for a while, replacing it with a rule that you should drive at a speed that is safe given the road conditions you are driving in. Happiness went up in Montana and it stayed the same in New Jersey. This is the genius of federalism.
Another reason for leaving policy-making power at the state level is that the states will compete with each other and will experiment to attract people and businesses, which is a good thing. Americans are abandoning high tax, high regulation blue states in droves to move to low tax and low regulation red states like Florida and Texas. Consider Elon Musk's decision to move SpaceX from California to Texas. Federalism and the competition among states is a good thing, which we should favor. We should not be imposing one-size fits all national rules on abortion, which is one of the many reasons why Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization (2022) was correctly decided.
Kamala Harris's proposal that we abolish the filibuster to establish a national abortion law is an unsound idea for four reasons: First, it will lead to Republicans following suit and abolishing the filibuster to pass laws that many Democrats will hate; second, the 2024 elections for the presidency and both Houses of Congress are likely to be very close, which means there will be no popular mandate for a constitutional change like abolishing the filibuster; third, the filibuster and the certainty and predictability it creates are a very good thing for liberty and economic growth; and fourth, a national law is the wrong approach for our transcontinental democracy, which is the third most populous nation on the earth, and which has many state and regional sub-cultures.
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Should the Democrats gain control of the House, Senate, and the White House in the 2024 election, Republicans will never regain power or have the opportunity to apply the wicked distortions of representative democracy the Democrats have clearly stated their intent to make. The “what about” arguments will have no sway on Democrats in Congress, knowing that they will have stacked the deck to make a Republican electoral majority impossible for generations. President Reagan was correct when he said freedom is only one generation away from extinction. We stand on the threshold of that disaster right now.
"The “what about” arguments will have no sway on Democrats in Congress..."
But I think the what about is thought about by senior members of both parties which would keep it - only lifted for certain cases every once in awhile. Now, if we run short of senior congress folks...
The best part of Roe being overturned…we had more abortions than before!! I love the smell of aborted fetuses in the morning!!
Exactly. I keep pointing this out: You can't dissuade somebody from shooting you by telling them that you'll shoot them in turn the next time you're the one with the gun: They don't intend for there to be a next time!
The Democrats have been working towards a permanent Democratic majority for decades now. They thought they had one when Obama took office!
Every time their permanent majority turns out to be transient, they become more determined to make sure the next time IS permanent. They don't give up on the idea, they just roll up their sleeves and work harder towards it.
Maybe the Democrats will fail to land a killing shot this time. They still aren't going to be moved by "when it's our turn" arguments when they don't mean for anybody else to ever get a turn.
Once again, Conspiracy Brett turns routine stuff into something sinister. Setting aside the usual accusations about "they" based on one person, he's trying to turn "Being more popular than the other side" into something nefarious. Because that's all that the thing he's referring to is talking about. The "permanent majority" there is not "let's outlaw the GOP." It's "Let's be so appealing to voters that we always win."
Right, and as opposed to the Republican strategy of "let's write the rules in such a way that we always win no matter how unappealing our policies are to voters."
What, specifically, are you referring to?
I’m talking about repeated efforts to dilute the voting power of Democrats through things like voter suppression, the filibuster, and a few things they inherited (like the electoral college and two senators per state) that help maintain them in power far disproportionate to their actual numbers. I’m talking about the GOP Republican legislatures in North Carolina and Wisconsin voting to strip the governor of most of his power when Democrats were elected to those offices. I’m talking about gerrymandering, in which the statewide vote for the Wisconsin legislature was 60% Democrat but the GOP still ended up with a majority of seats.
There are other things too but those will do for a start.
There is no voter suppression. That Democrats have taken to calling "voter suppression" any ballot security measure that they object to doesn't MAKE it "voter suppression".
Calling things like presenting ID to vote "voter suppression" is an insult to the memory of people who faced REAL vote suppression decades ago, usually at the hands of Democrats.
I laughed myself silly over Democrats calling NC reducing their early voting to "only" three weeks "vote suppression" when NY having NO early voting was just peachy with them. The contrast really was hilarious.
"I’m talking about gerrymandering, in which the statewide vote for the Wisconsin legislature was 60% Democrat but the GOP still ended up with a majority of seats."
Yes, Wisconsin was gerrymandered. Not nearly to the extent you'd like to pretend, though; The Democrats hired a professional to create the best map for Democrats possible without actually gerrymandering in favor of Democrats, and couldn't get to a majority of the seats.
Democratic voters are simply inefficiently distributed in most states under a first past the post system, and where you draw the district lines has nothing to do with that, it's due to racking up absurdly high vote percentages in Democratic areas, on account of having precisely tuned your appeal to people living in high density urban areas, at the expense of your appeal to people who live anywhere else.
If you tried a little bit harder to appeal to people who DON'T live in city centers, you might get only 80% of the vote in cities, instead of 90%, and flip a lot of suburbs, and see that it's not gerrymandering at all that's keeping you down.
"Gerrymandering" doesn't mean "failing to reproduce the outcome of proportional representation". It means "Drawing contorted districts in order to guarantee particular outcomes". And until you make your appeal more general, no map that isn't itself pretty badly gerrymandered will bring you to parity.
Sold! You make a nice case, Mr. Calabrese. Here’s an offer: You guys make your SCOTUS justices restore Roe v. Wade, so that the government can’t reach its heavy legislative hands into the patient’s bodies, and we’ll leave the filibuster alone. Stability for everyone! Slavery for no one! Sound good?
"Slavery for no one!"
Does this include a change in the Constitution to finally eliminate *all* slavery?
What part of abortion not being a federal matter at all are you having trouble with? Per Dobbs, a federal law prohibiting abortion would be just as unconstitutional as a federal law mandating that it be universally legal.
My understanding of the Dobbs decision was that the Court held that the Constitution doesn't create any right to an abortion but that doesn't prevent Congress through its lawmaking power from putting restrictions or protections on abortion. That doesn't mean that they wouldn't be subject to challenge in court (like pretty much anything else) but the decision Dobbs wouldn't direct the courts to one outcome or the other.
The lack of any actual constitutional right to abortion is fatal to federal legislation demanding states legalize it, because the federal government has no delegated power that allows it to generally dictate what states may make a crime. Only rights are precluded from being crimes.
At the same time, the lack of any federal general police power means the federal government can't outlaw abortion within a state, either.
And if you think the Dobbs majority is going to hold together to carve an exception for an abortion ban, think again. They don't want to be deciding abortion cases, they mean for it to be decided at the state level, and, conveniently, the Constitution is on their side in this, so they don't have to do any legal gymnastics to arrive at that result.
“they will not have a mandate to make a sweeping constitutional change in our system of government.”
The filibuster isn’t in the Constitution, it’s a Senate rule.
And it's still a Senate rule for nominations, too.
The nuclear option is the rot in our government made manifest: The Senate rules, being moderately difficult to amend while following the Senate rules, never actually got changed. They just had a majority vote to pretend that they meant something else, while the words themselves still mandated the filibuster.
RE: “In the 1970’s, President Jimmy Carter established a national speed limit of 55 miles per hour which made sense in New Jersey, our most population dense state, but which made no sense in Montana, which is 48th in population density.”
And this caused minor inconvenience to the one third of one percent of the American people who live in Montana. Oh, the horror!
Why should midwestern and northwestern and southeastern states have tiny toilets and limit disks because 50 million assholes wanna live in the desert?
More accurately, so they can water a desert to give us avocados and winter vegetables?
You don't understand: They're entitled to impose nation-wide whatever rules they find congenial where they happen to be. How dare you complain about it?
It's like you think you have some right to be left alone, or something.
“a national law is the wrong approach for our transcontinental democracy”
You might want to tell the majority of House Republicans that.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/02/26/politics/republicans-life-at-conception-act
Way to miss the point. Of course the House wants to do stupid stuff. Both parties do – the House was set up for demagogues.
The Senate was set up as the more deliberative body. And the filibuster is a part of that tradition. In large part because of that, there is no similar concensus among the majority of Senate Republicans to do what you claim.
Democrats want to abolish the filibuster so that matters enjoying broad public support can finally be enacted. Not true of what Republicans want to do.
If it had broad public support, 60 is no impediment. This is a lie. Think of how many issues leap that bar no problem.
“Yeah, the non-controversial ones!”
Thanks for making my point.
Also, a balanced budget amendment has vast public support. You use the 60 rule to deny sending it out to the states. Your concern for "democracy" (note the quotes) is touching.
We love democracy. Until we don't.
. You use the 60 rule to deny sending it out to the states.
Wouldn't the explicit supermajority rule for amendments be the true reason?
Do you even read what you write?
If something has broad public support, it will pass by more than 60 votes.
What exactly do you think broad public support means, 50% + 1?
No it won't. Not as long as Wyoming gets to cancel California. Passing stuff requires two supermajorities: First, electing a Senate in the first place in which the small states get to cancel out the big ones, and then getting 60 votes in an already-anti-democratic Senate.
Krychek, it depends on what is meant by "broad" support. I take it to mean widely distributed, as opposed to local.
If you had a measure that had 51% support in the country, but that support was uniformly distributed, every member of Congress in every state would find that 51% of their constituents favored it, and it would pass by a landslide in Congress.
If you had a measure that had 100% support in just the nine largest states, but it was 100% opposed in the remaining 41 states, it would, barely, have majority support nation-wide, but go down to inglorious defeat. And, shouldn't such a law be defeated?
Would you favor a law exempting everyone within 50 miles of the sea from federal taxation, just because more than half the population lives within 50 miles of the sea? Everybody inland just has to suck it up?
The US is a heterogeneous federation of states. It is perfectly legitimate in a federation that federal laws have to demonstrate well distributed support, rather than just being enacted because one part of the federation is wildly in favor of them.
I'd suggest your real problem is that the Democratic party has slipped into being a local party. You've fine tuned your appeal to get massive levels of support in high density urban areas, at the cost of doing badly everywhere else.
Under a system that had pure majority votes, reaching 51% by totally dominating cities and blowing off everywhere else would be a viable strategy. It's not under a federal system.
That's only true up to a point. Rural population has been dropping for decades, both in real numbers and in terms of the percentage of the total population. It is estimated that in 20 years, 35% of the population will elect 70% of the Senate. So there is a point at which failure to capture the relatively small number of people who continue to live in rural areas does not mean lack of broad support; it means the increasingly small percentage of rural population is out of touch with mainstream American values.
I support some protections for minority rights, but at some point you can't let a small number of contrarians stand in the way of progress.
And there are reasons more and more people want to live in the (mostly blue) cities: Better economy, better opportunities, better services, better standard of living. It makes no sense to give the economic basket cases a veto over the economic powerhouses.
Your 35% vs 70% isn't an urban/rural thing, though. It's a small state vs large state thing. The low population states are as likely to be dominated by Democrats as Republicans, so it's not really skewing partisan balance in the Senate much. That's more skewed by California being a large one party state.
If you really wanted to fix that, you'd break up the larger states. Split NY and FL in two, TX in three, and CA in four, and everything would be fine. Doing it WOULD require a constitutional amendment.
Currently California represents 11.8% of the total population of the US, but gets 10% of the Electoral college. Not an impressively large deviation. Once you take into account that only 88% of California's population even consists of US citizens, their EC vote is almost perfectly proportional to their citizen population.
California is a special case for a number of reasons; taken as a whole, two-senators-per-state and the electoral college benefit conservatives, as evidenced by the fact that conservatives are so vigorously opposed to getting rid of them. I'm quite certain that if they produced the opposite effect -- gave Democrats the White House in years the GOP won the popular vote, and gave Democrats an edge in the Senate -- the GOP would take a different position.
The EC's effect on Presidential elections IS purely a result of that California special case, though. California's jungle primary system results in Republicans in most of the state having nobody to vote for in the general election outside of Presidential election years. It's turned California into a one party state.
Republican Presidents routinely win popular vote majorities if you ignore California and their wildly skewed electorate. The complaint about the EC is all about California, and nothing else.
That's because Republicans have spent the last twenty years doing everything they can to piss off California, knowing there will be no electoral consequences to them for doing so. Think about that for a minute. Under our system, one of the major parties can tell the largest state to go to hell with no consequences.
The basic premise of democratic governance is that politicians are responsible to the electorate. Obviously, under our system, they're not.
By contrast, Wyoming gets electoral college representation that is over three times its population share. That is an impressively large deviation from Californians getting 0.85 times their population share.
Yes, and I think we should do something about that, like I said, splitting up the larger states. Federations don't work well when they have members that are radically different in population.
Hmm, so California could have 104 Senators by becoming one state per Congressional district?
One system that preserves the bias in the electoral college would be to award the presidency by popular vote but weighted by the current electoral vote disparity (so one vote in each state would be weighted by (number of electoral votes/number of representatives)). This would reward states with higher turnout or increasing population between censuses, and campaigns would have incentive to campaign in states that are locks for either party, to drive turnout of their own voters.
In principle, yes. Likewise for Texas. But neither state can do it on its own.
My suggestion could probably be achieved with bipartisan support, because it wouldn't blatantly benefit either major party. Matching Florida to NY, and California to Texas would render it politically neutral.
Pretty much impossible, because non-political objections would certainly shoot down splitting up states. Nobody is going to agree that a particular division gives each of the resulting states equal shares of the original state, ignoring any partisan benefit.
Republicans kept on blocking President Obama's nominees, including in the NLRB & DC Cir slots.
Democrats finally said "enough" and decided to let majority rule be put in place. The filibusters by the Democrats during Bush43's terms didn't amount to much in the end. Majority rule allowed Democrats to confirm judges in the same clip as Republicans.
Mitch McConnell was not going to allow Democrats to block Supreme Court nominees. He played hardball.
Just out of the blue, right? None of Obama's Republican predecessors' nominees got blocked by Democrats, right? Ever hear of Robert Bork?
Bork got a vote.
Bork's problem wasn't that Democrats didn't like him, though they didn't. It was that Republicans didn't like him, either. He was just a bad nominee.
The "blocking" here was in the context of filibusters.
Bork was defeated by an up/down vote.
Both sides used the filibuster. My comment argued that overall the Democrats' filibustering didn't help them much.
So, they decided overall ending it for appointments was worth it even if it could Republicans to some degree.
"If Democrats elect Harris by a small margin and win control of the two Houses of Congress by a small margin, they will not have a mandate to make a sweeping constitutional change in our system of government."
Winning elections isn't enough. You need some vague "mandate."
What is the "sweeping" change? The Republicans played Calvinball with Supreme Court confirmations to get a 6-3 Supreme Court.
The Democrats want to pass a popular piece of legislation to protect fundamental rights [determined not just by what the Supreme Court says at a particular moment].
The "change" is the alleged decision by Republicans to tit for tat afterward. The Democrats are on record about what they want to do. The public voting for the Democrats would know. It's on record.
There would be a 'mandate' for it. Some fictional non-constitutional based additional bottleneck is just that.
The Republicans said let the states decide. That was a lie, as now national abortion bans, porno, contraceptive bans, all the bad old days stuff, is rearing up like a zombie.
And not making it out of the coffin, anyway, let alone shambling around the cemetery.
The idea that our economic success is a result of the filibuster is silly especially since the current usage was not in place in the past when said economic success was also there.
There are some sound constitutional reasons for keeping decisions on moral and religious matters at the State level, which is why the First Amendment forbade a national establishment of religion
We have a Fourteenth Amendment that protects national rights, including not having a Peace of Westphalia situation where some states establish some religions while others establish others. People also have control of their bodies & equal protection.
The silent part is voiced aloud when he is concerned that state referenda might “legalize overly broad abortion rights.”
Professor Calabresi posits, "Suspending the filibuster in the Senate would be a sweeping and probably permanent constitutional change in our system of government."
That is horseshit. The filibuster is a creature of Senate rules, Article I, § 5 unequivocally states, "Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings[.]" At the beginning of each Congress the Senate adopts its rules. If fifty Senators and the Vice-president vote to limit or abolish the filibuster next January, that is their unconditional prerogative.
While abandoning the filibuster would not technically be unconstitutional, are you arguing that it would not be a radical departure from the way our system of government has functioned? Having essentially 2 popularly elected branches implementing policy by simple majorities is not exactly within the traditions of our constitutional order.
Just because so it has been done since the time of Henry II doesn’t mean that it’s become part of the constitution. Part of the job of a legislature is to decide if old laws and rules have become outdated and need to be changed. It may be bad policy to change it. But it’s a policy argument, not a constitutional one.
I recommend an amendment that all laws expire aftet 10 years unless renewed! Force the corruptions to review the laws' effects, judge them, update or cancel them.
"We shouldn't be bound by previous generations?" Fine, start with this.
A. I'd expire laws at the end of the next session, or every year and a half, or something similar.
B. To prevent renewing everything in one omnibus bill, any defective law is entirely voided. So lump together all the laws you want, but don't cry when they all get voided together too.
C. To prevent government courts from preserving shoddy laws, "defective" means as judged by a random jury of adults, who are given a copy of the law (or regulation), a pad of paper and pen, a dictionary, and set in individual rooms to write down what they think the law does, and whether they think it passes muster. If more than one or two disagree, the law r regulation is defective. No judges. No appeals. Their decision is theirs alone.
You forgot
D. "P.S. I am not a serious person."
The practice of filibustering literally everything so that 60 votes is effectively the threshold for legislating has only been around for a few decades. Before that, filibusters were relatively rare for various reasons. So eliminating the filibuster would bring us more in line with the traditions of the first 200 years of this country compared to where we are today.
"The practice of filibustering literally everything" is a fabrication.
Separate from the filibuster issue, which after all is not a constitutional issue but a matter of the Senate’s internal rules, I do not think that the proposed bill would be constitutional. However, Congress could, if it took care to address constitutional niceties and was willing to accept perhaps 90% of a loaf, do a great deal to facilitate abortion if it wanted to.
I can’t think of any instance where use of the filibuster (or of cloture) was not eventually disgraced by history. The prime example is that of segregationist Senators trying to block Civil Rights legislation in 1964. Can anyone defend that now?
In recent years the filibuster has been abused by Republicans, and usually for bad faith reasons. At least Thurmond and Eastland & Co. were sincere in their opposition to civil rights. But when Bob Dole began the current era of Republican dysfunction in 1993 (filibustering 72 times that session — the previous record was 6) he was opposing a modest Clinton stimulus package ($16 billion) that he would have voted yes on if proposed by a Republican President.
I tend to agree that part of the traditional logic was that the filibuster was to be used sparingly.
I think an actual in-person filibuster, where opponents have to take turns yapping round the clock amd tie up all the Senate’s other business, was an important cost imposed on Senators wishing to filibuster that was critical to keeping it limited. Every now and then returning to requiring filibusterers to put their mouths where their money is and suffer some sleep deprivation in actual live marathon sessions has been proposed. Perhaps filinustering has become too easy and cost-free. Imposing some sort of cost on people wanting to filibuster, doing something to make it harder, might not be such a bad idea.
Agree. It should be easier to go back to the old rule than to abolish the filibuster entirely. But Republicans are not in support.
The problem with the old rule, (And I'd prefer it myself.) is that the system as it's currently constituted has Congress doing too damned much, and the old system shut down the pipeline for everything while the filibuster was going on.
The newer, "just announce one and we'll move on to something else" filibuster allows the legislative pipeline to run at full flood even one one item gets blocked.
Better would be requiring 41 votes to sustain a filibuster rather than a single senator objecting to unanimous consent; that would impose an inconvenience on both sides, especially for those who are running for reelection.
It DOES require 41 votes to sustain a filibuster. Or anyway, 40%+1. All a single senator objecting to unanimous consent does is force a roll call vote.
In theory requiring roll call votes should be no problem at all, the Senators have 'clickers' and their votes can be electronically recorded. There's really no good excuse for them EVER having voice votes.
The issue is that roll call votes reveal how many people are present, and the Senate is conducting business without a quorum present most of the time, in defiance of the Constitution.
The problem is that when a third of Senators are out campaigning, and maybe others campaigning with them or for other candidates they support, or just going to Cancun, the minority party only has to leave one person behind to sustain any filibuster. The point would be, rather than requiring 60 votes, to require that more than 40% of the quorum present would have to block legislation. (The majority party would still have to have enough people to achieve a quorum; and one person could still object on the basis of lacking a quorum.)
It doesn't really matter WHY they're violating the Constitution. They ARE violating the Constitution, by conducting business without a quorum.
A few decades ago I was stuck in bed with a broken leg, and watched a lot of CSPAN. "Allinfavorsayayeallopposedsaynaytheayeshaveit" is one word, pronounced without allowing any time for an actual vote. Voice "votes" are a sham, in addition to a way of hiding violation of the quorum clause. They should be abolished.
The Senate makes its own rules, and lack of quorum is irrelevant to what I was talking about.
"I can’t think of any instance where use of the filibuster (or of cloture) was not eventually disgraced by history. "
Because only being disgraced by history brings it to your attention. Things die as a result of cloture all the time, and you don't even notice because the reason they didn't survive cloture was that they were lousy ideas with little support.
You mean "disgraced by history" by letting Trump's nominees to the Supreme Court be confirmed by simple majorities, that kind of "disgrace"? Apparently not, because the removal of the filibuster is precisely what let that happen.
Look, as much as I hate moralizing, pretentious phrases such as "disgraced by history", I hate illogic even more. At a bare minimum, people must make it make sense. Otherwise, we'll never get out of here.
Pointing at something disgraced by history that wasn't caused by the filibuster is hardly logic.
The likely disgrace of the three Trump appointees is that Merrick Garland didn't get a vote well before the 2016 election, and Amy Coney Barrett got a vote days before the 2020 election. The weakness of the filibuster is that it was not able to give the Democrats any leverage on this; that it hypothetically would have prevented a historical disgrace is little better, given that it did not in fact do so, and pursued relentlessly by Democrats would at best mean a 4-3 conservative court (albeit with Kennedy instead of Kavanaugh, and ongoing vacancies for the other two). Given that Republicans are more than willing to paralyze the federal government (past shutdowns and the dysfunction of the Republican led House in the last two years), it is unlikely the Democrats would have gone that far anyway. Filibusters serve extremists, who are eventually disgraced by history.
I'd rather require all bills pass by 2/3 vote in each chamber, period. The point of the filibuster, 2/3, and other super majorities is to force consensus, to only pass bills which do have real support.
It's hysteresis. Thermostats aren't set on hair triggers. If you set it at 68, it doesn't shut down the furnace or A/C the instant it passes that trigger, it lets it go a degree or so past it. You don't want the furnace or A/C turning on and off every few seconds.
Same with legislation. Plain majorities invite 50% +1 as being a public mandate, then the next election flips one vote and reverses that legislation.
All you idiots wanting to get rid of the filibuster, and picking on the thinko / typo that it's a constitutional change, are just like lawyers' super power of turning every question into a procedural question. You're throwing out the baby with the bathwater because you can't see past the end of your nose, and assume this time, you'll win the election and stay in power for ever and ever.
You are partisan idiots of the first water.
No, the point is to ensure paralysis, which is what you really want. For those of us who like the idea of good government, "it means nothing will get done" is not a selling point.
It's not "nothing" gets done. It's "nothing that isn't widely agreed on" getting done.
See my response to you above.
+1 for "of the first water". That's one I haven't heard before!
The Constitution was obviously drafted with the concept of the "super-majority" very much in mind, and yet it somehow failed to include the Senate 60-40 majority requirement you insist is fundamental to American democracy.
No, it's just a Senate rule, and it was fun while it lasted, but it's over. But if it's really as important as you claim it is, a Constitutional Amendment to make it permanent should be a gimme!
The constitution as drafted never contemplated a redundant popularly elected legislative body passing laws by a simple majority. Even with the 17th amendment, the Senate retained some of its original constitutional character with the filibuster. But if you really want a bunch of reckless society ending policies passed really fast, get rid of the filibuster and enjoy the decline.
The filibuster serves no purpose to Democrats. Even when Republicans are in power, it just gives them an excuse to not actually have to pass any of their super unpopular / destructive ideas. It would be wonderful if the Republicans were ever put in a position to have to actually govern. They'd fall to pieces.
So the filibuster helps Democrats by limiting what Republicans can do.
No, Republicans wouldn't be able to do anything even without the filibuster. It just gives them a convenient way to blame Democrats.
That… doesn't make any sense. If the filibuster served no purpose to Democrats, then why would they use it? The GOP isn't the party filibustering GOP proposals. The Dems could simply let the GOP vote, if that was actually "wonderful."
An especially stupid OP by Calabresi.
Assume filibuster tit-for-tat over abortion. Ds suspend the filibuster, pass national abortion rights. Rs win an election, pass a national abortion ban. Tit for tat.
Rinse and repeat how many times before Ds have about 80% of both houses, and Rs disappear from the planet forever? It would take about 6 years, only because of staggered terms for Senators.
That dynamic is a powerful critique of the filibuster, from the D side. They ought to do everything they can to get it going.
It has been an all-along brilliant bluff by Republicans—who rightly hate elections because their policies repel voters—to bait Ds into retaining the filibuster, and thus get the Rs off the hook with angry constituents. Ds should stop falling for it, and make the Rs suffer biennial referendums on their repellent policies, again and again.
Why would 50% of an electorate "disappear from the planet forever" by winning half the time? You're not making a lot of sense with this one.
He's assuming that 50% of the electorate would hate what 50% of the electorate want, so they'd stop voting Republican if they ever got what they keep desperately voting for.
Then they wouldn't be in the 50% that originally opposed them, obviously.
Since a large majority of Americans favor abortion rights, 50% is just wrong (not to mention Republicans not winning the popular vote for president more than once in decades). The 2022 elections went from red wave to almost nothing because of abortion. (I doubt that Republicans would disappear; Trump is old and unlikely to be a factor in six years, and Republicans will pivot to what works for them.)
A large majority of Americans favor "abortion rights" if you define "abortion rights" as meaning very early elective abortions, and medically necessary abortions. After the first trimester support for elective abortion craters.
Since early in the first trimester is where the battle currently is, and since a majority opposed ending Roe v Wade, this is somewhere between irrelevant and untrue, a very Brett Bellmore place to be.
Early in the first trimester is one of the fronts in the battle. The third trimester is another. I'm just pointing out that "abortion rights" have very little support unless defined quite narrowly.
Misrepresenting the tiny number of third trimester abortions is indeed something anti-abortionists have been engaging in for decades; it may be the only battlefield they could decisively win on, but winning would eliminate less than 1% of abortions, and the popular option of restoring Roe v. Wade would mostly concede this battlefield.
Second trimester abortions are less than 10%, and still one the anti-abortionists lack a majority on.
Eliminating exceptions for rape, incest and the health of the mother is a battlefield they favor but again where they definitely lack majority support.
Anti-abortionists will defeat their politicians with their absolutism. Republicans would have been better off following the preference of John Roberts only to weaken Roe to fifteen weeks, but they depend on the absolutist anti-abortionists.
That, and abortion isn't the only issue for voters. But it will become more of one without the filibuster! Which helps Dems, is Lathrop's main point.
In general, "being able to enact policy" hurts Rs and helps Ds, which is why we should've gotten rid of the filibuster long ago.
Why do you think that making the US a one party state would be a healthy thing for the country? Thinking of other one party countries, communist China, N. Korea. Not exactly bastions of freedom.
There is a broader issue here. Republican policies are unpopular with the voters. So all Republicans have to maintain power is to find as many ways as possible to keep the majority from counting. That literally is all they've got. We're seeing it most recently in this Georgia rule that absentee and early ballots can't be counted until election day, with election offices understaffed, making it more difficult for urban blue areas to count their votes.
Republicans should just be honest and support legislation abolishing elections altogether and installing a permanent conservative government in its place. It would be more honest and save a whole lot of money.
This is darkly interesting. There *are* people who want to abolish the Supreme Court, jettison the Constitution, and especially trample on the First Amendment.
Your projection of who those people are is revealing.
I said nothing about abolishing the Supreme Court, jettisoning the Constitution (which is silent on the filibuster, by the way), or trample the First Amendment. It is darkly interesting that you would impute to me positions I never took.
But nice change of subject from what I actually did say, which is the GOP's tactic of doing everything it can to ensure that elections don't count.
In this case, I’m just remembering what John Kerry said last Friday, and what Fran Lebowitz said on the weekend. Their speeches were specifically (and infamously) about “establishing a permanent government” by doing these things. Didn’t seem to be that much of a stretch to compare and contrast what they were saying with what you were implying.
But if I got that wrong, I stand corrected! I hate it when people get my opinions twisted, too.
I saw Kerry's and Lebowitz's comments second hand so I don't actually know what they said in context. Maybe they really did say what you are suggesting; maybe taken in context their remarks were more benign. I don't know; I wasn't there.
But for purposes of this discussion, assume the worst. Assume that Kerry really does want to completely gut the Constitution and implement permanent one party rule. If and when that becomes a serious issue, it can be dealt with.
The serious issue now is GOP attempts to gut fair elections, and to prevent Democrats from governing even when they do win elections. That really is an issue, and it poses a far greater threat to democratic values than some retired politician shooting off his mouth about something that has no real prospect of happening.
I hope we can agree that it's just pathological how hard it is to find actual TRANSCRIPTS of things like this, to see what was said in context.
It's dirt simple for media outlets to link to transcripts, but they rarely do, usually they don't even quote in context. You're lucky if you're not getting just a paraphrase you can't check for accuracy because they don't want to show you what actually got said.
Here's the best I could find. And even here, there's an unknown chunk hidden behind ellipsis.
That's more commonly the case with sanewashing Trump's deranged rants. It's probably a result of Republicans attacking media for decades.
I'm astounded by how warped a view you need of the American media to think that most outlets would be trying to HELP Trump.
No, they just don't want people thinking for themselves, and access to source materials facilitates people making up their own minds. By gatekeeping access to source materials, they get to try to dictate what people think.
A common failing among the media across the political spectrum.
They do not want to lose ratings or forgo the horse race, and they are cowed by the screeched accusations of bias, and the death threats, which would follow reporting honestly on how demented Donald Trump actually is.
Anyway, attempting to gut fair elections by imposing requirements that are SOP in most democracies, like showing ID to vote, voting on a particular day, only letting citizens vote?
We already have all those things. What Republicans are doing is trying to ratchet them all to 11 for the explicit purpose of making it harder for legitimate votes to be cast. They want voting to be as complex and onerous as possible, so that a minimal number of people make the effort. That’s what it is, and it’s sick and un-American.
The proof – other than the occasional hot-mic admission – is that there’s zero indication of a problem with non-citizens voting, or any other problems with elections that would need these “fixes.” So they serve no purpose other than to suppress the vote.
And don't say we need these things simply to improve the public's confidence in elections. The Republicans are the ones manufacturing the crisis of confidence in the first place! That's a key element of the despicable strategy.
I specifically referenced the most recent shenanigans in Georgia in which the state has now mandated that early votes can't be counted before election day while at the same time cutting staffing. That's not about fair elections; that's about making it harder for blue urban areas to cast their votes.
I'm in favor of only eligible voters being able to vote, but I'm also in favor of making it as easy for eligible voters to vote as possible. That means early voting and extending voting hours. How does "everyone votes on the same day" enhance election fairness, assuming other security measures remain in place?
(Florida early voting starts October 26 and I will be first in line, so that if I drop dead of a heart attack between then and November 5, Kamala Harris and the abortion rights amendment will have gotten my vote.)
Yes, some GOP measures are about security, but a lot of them are designed to make it harder for people to vote. Which is part of a pattern.
SOP for most democracies would be a parliamentary system.
Most countries with elections hold them on a Saturday or Sunday rather than a weekday; some make election day a holiday, and some have voting over multiple days. ID requirements would be less of an issue in the US if it wasn't so often proposed in bad faith; voter ID has typically been a way for Republicans to suppress voting among certain demographics. Non-citizens are allowed to vote in many countries, although often only in local elections; this is complicated by situations like the European Union and the Commonwealth of Nations.
Wow, I don't think I've ever read an opinion piece here and agreed with literally every point, 100% -- until now. I honestly cannot find a single thing to object to or even to suggest an improvement upon.
Well done.
Yes, there is absolutely a "genius" to federalism, and to the careful balance of powers we have enjoyed for so many years. If you know any young people who are into gaming, ask them their opinion on the importance of "balance" in a game. It's the difference between what works and what is hopelessly broken.
As if. I'm 100% positive that if Republicans win both houses of Congress and the Presidency, the new Senate Majority Leader will immediately eliminate the filibuster (with some combination of "elections have consequences" and "it's the Democrats' fault for some reason, maybe just because they're evil") and you and Calabresi will suddenly find justifications to be fine with it.
Depends on the majority leader. McConnell, for instance, just loved using cloture to avoid votes on conservative legislation coming out of the House, because he was trying to protect RINOs from exposing themselves by voting against it.
He's already said he wouldn't throw his hat in this time.
Yeah, good riddance to bad rubbish. But we'll see if his replacement is any better.
The following two passages appeared in consecutive paragraphs, above:
"One of the most important ways in which our Constitution and its system of checks and balances, which has traditionally included the filibuster, protects liberty and promotes economic growth is by creating certainty and predictability, which reduces the risk factor for investors."
"The reason the United States has the highest GDP per capita of any of the G-20 nations is because our constitutional system of checks and balances, which has always included the filibuster in the Senate, makes investing in, and writing in, the United States very safe because the law is very certain and very predictable."
Without getting into the accuracy of what he wrote, did Calabresi just forget what he had written, or did he really believe that repeating himself in a slightly different way is an effective rhetorical device?
tl;dr: A law that bans citizens from doing something that has no impact on other citizens is very different from a law that permits citizens to do something that has no impact on other citizens.
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I'm no fan of doing away with the filibuster (for many of the reasons that the author highlights); I do have disagreements with other portions of Professor Calabresi's piece, and one in particular with a paragraph that is rather jiggery-pokerish:
"The bottom line is that abortion is going to end up being legal in most states whether one likes that outcome or not. Women who really want an abortion will generally be able to cross a state line and get one. Abortion rights advocates should spend their time raising money to pay for travel expenses for poor women to cross state lines to get an abortion. They should not spend time and money forcing states like Mormon Utah or evangelical Christian Alabama to allow, on their own territory, what the people of those states deem to be the taking of a human life."
I'm a recovering sociologist, and any good sociologist (or political scientist, for that matter) know of the "ecological fallacy." That fallacy occurs when one attributes a characteristic of a State (for example) to its inhabitants (for example). A friend of mine who happens to live in Utah has a button that reads "How dare you assume I'm a Mormon!" The Professor has assumed that everyone in Utah IS a Mormon (they are not) and that everyone who IS a Mormon agrees that abortion should be banned (they do not).
That's my first point, but there's a more telling (and more legal) point:
Conservatives like Professor Calabresi generally prefer 'freedom,' and wish to constrain the government (be it federal or state) from encumbering that freedom. This is why abortion bans are a bad idea: They remove freedom from some (the freedom to terminate a pregnancy) without granting any benefit to other citizens.
Those fundamentalist Christians who oppose abortion, including but certainly not limited to some Mormons, gain nothing from a government-imposed ban on abortion, except the right (I suppose) to feel smugly self-righteous. At the same time, this government-imposed ban demonstrates their wish to impose their control, via government, over the people who want or need abortions.
To be clear: Under legislation or amendment that permitted abortion nationwide, NOBODY would be "forcing" ANYBODY to have an abortion. Rather like that Facebook trope: "Oppose gay marriage? Then don't have one."
If a ban is passed by a referendum of the populace, isn't this precisely tyranny of the majority? Moreover, because the motivation for a ban (as presented by Professor Calabresi) appears to be religious in nature, don't we run into a little trouble there?
Your thinking is a bit narrow. There are many beneficiaries and benefits to ending abortion. Not simply religious. Who could benefit? Well, the unborn child might consider the gift of life a benefit. A father who doesn’t lose a child to an abortion he opposes might consider that a benefit. So might the grandparents. And would society benefit from the future contributions of the child spared an abortion? Would society overall benefit from an ethos that respects life? Yeah, I think it would in both cases.
The fact filibusters are not compelled by the Constitution still would mean changing the current process would be a small “c” constitutional change. Constitutional change comes in various varieties, including the norms and practices of each branch.
"Suspending the filibuster in the Senate would be a sweeping and probably permanent constitutional change in our system of government."
This guy's a law professor.
Who doesn't seem to understand that the filibuster is just an internal Senate rule.
This is nothing but ridiculous catastrophisizing. I've read my constitution from preamble to amendment 27, and nowhere in there does it mention the filibuster. So calling this a "constitutional" change is just plain false. I would actually argue that the filibuster is in significant tension with our constitution, as the constitution is quite clear that passing a bill requires a simple majority vote in each house of congress, not a supermajority in the senate. Calling the abolition of the filibuster "sweeping" and suggesting that it could have any meaningful impact on economic prosperity is not remotely plausible. The filibuster is little more more than an obscure aspect of senate procedure. If it goes, few people will notice or care.