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Executive Power Scholarship: A Three Level Problem
Reflections on that Twitter dust-up.
I: The Object-Level Scholarly Debate
One of the oldest questions of constitutional law is whether, and to what extent, the President has the power to remove other executive branch officials; as well as whether, and to what extent, Congress has the power to regulate or restrict any such power. It dates back to congressional debates in 1789, the impeachment debates of Andrew Johnson, and Supreme Court cases from Myers v. United States, to Humphrey's Executor v. United States, to Seila Law v. CFPB.
Another one of the oldest questions of constitutional law is whether, and to what extent, the Constitution's vesting of "the executive Power" in "a President of the United States of America" includes various powers not specifically enumerated elsewhere in Article II. The two questions are different, but they overlap, because one of the strongest arguments for an executive removal power is the argument that appointment and removal of executive officers was understood as an executive power even without being specifically enumerated.
The scholarly debate about these questions has been rich and keeps getting richer. Two recent articles by Professor Julian Davis Mortenson, The Executive Power Clause, and Article II Vests the Executive Power, Not the Royal Prerogative, (also guest-posted on this blog) address the second question, and argue against a robust reading of unenumerated or residual executive power; in various formulations, they describe the executive power as being limited to "law-execution," or as being an "empty vessel," containing only the powers vested by other laws.
Meanwhile, Professors Aditya Bamzai and Saikrishna Prakash recently published an article, The Executive Power of Removal, that addresses the first question. They argue that the executive power did include the power to remove other executive branch officials, and that Congress's ability to regulate this power is limited. Professors Andrea Katz and Noah Rosenblum published a somewhat sharp response to Bamzai & Prakash (Removal Rehashed). Bamzai & Prakash have now published a somewhat sharp reply to Katz & Rosenblum (How to Think About the Removal Power).
Along the way, Katz & Rosenblum argued that Mortenson's work refutes Bamzai & Prakash's, because if the executive power is an empty vessel, limited to law-execution, it would seem not to include a removal power. On the other hand, Bamzai & Prakash reply, there is an ambiguity in how to understand Mortenson's thesis (and the evidence on which it relies). Mortenson's articles do not specifically address the removal question, and they allow the possibility that the law-execution conception of the executive power might include an appointments power (as some evidence suggested). If the law-execution conception of the executive power included an appointments power, because the power to appoint was incidental to law-enforcement it might (or might not) also include a removal power.
Bamzai & Prakash believe this to be part of a broader ambiguity in Mortenson's thesis. The idea that executive power is an empty vessel, and the idea that it is limited to enforcing the law, are very similar and one could argue that they are two appendages of the same elephant. Maybe they are. But how should we think about, for example, a law that says that the President should not be the one to enforce it? One could say that the President cannot enforce such a law, because executive power is an empty vessel; or one could say that the President can enforce such a law, because the one executive power is the power of law enforcement.
The question of what to think about a law that says that the President cannot remove other officials who enforce the law is related. Perhaps the one executive power is the power of law enforcement, including the power to superintend those who enforce the law; or perhaps Congress has the power to say that the President cannot superintend law enforcement in various cases. Bamzai & Prakash thus argue that Mortenson's articles do not refute their thesis.
II: The Twitter Debate
This last piece of the exchange provoked unusually sharp responses on Twitter/X from Mortenson, who described Bamzai & Prakash as "selling false descriptions of [his] work," and wrote that "other responsibilities trump the obligation to be kind." He believes that their misunderstanding of his work cannot reflect a serious and sophisticated attempt to engage with it: "at best, these are the criticisms of people who didn't go beyond control F at second best, these are the criticisms of busy, careerist, disengaged, and incurious interlocutors at third best, these are the criticisms of 11th grade debaters at nationals." His more recent tweets have turned the temperature up still higher. Professor Jed Shugerman also joined in with a series of posts.
These reactions in turn produced a lot more responses both on and off of Twitter, as well as a lot of meta-commentary that something unusual and heated seemed to be going on among con law scholars. (No links for this paragraph, sorry.)
My view is that this turn has been unhelpful, and indeed unjustified. It may well be that Katz & Rosenblum (along with many many other scholars before them) have the better view of the removal question. And it may well be that there is a clear answer to the question of how the empty vessel thesis relates to Congress's power to regulate or restrict the enforcement of the law. It might even be true that the answers to those questions could have been divined by a more careful reader already—although I confess that I have been following this debate for many years, reasonably carefully, and I do not know the answers to them.
But the best way for legal scholars to ventilate these questions is through various forms of legal scholarship. I will say from experience that sometimes one writes a brilliant article which is completely correct but fails to convince all good-faith readers of that article. And sometimes one believes that one's brilliant article has already clearly resolved some issue, but some good-faith readers of that article somehow didn't understand what one clearly said. In those cases, it is sometimes useful to write more, to discuss ancillary sub-issues, to explain more, or more clearly, or differently. Nobody is under an obligation to respond to everybody else, or to respond on their timelines, but for better or worse, in a world of human legal scholars, this is part of how scholarship advances.
(I should add that Mortenson (and Shugerman, more on whom in a moment) has produced a number of links, screenshots, and substantive tweets getting in to the object-level issues to some extent. I found these somewhat difficult to follow, but I tried, and I didn't understand them to clarify the underlying ambiguity, about which I remain unsure.)
Finally, Shugerman's interventions also make a number of allegations about scholarly integrity, the sharing and citations of drafts, who said what to whom at conferences, and so on. In my view, these allegations are mostly misleading, and entirely poisonous. But my own judgment may be affected by the fact that I was a collateral target in one of Shugerman's earlier witch-hunts, and so I won't say more about them here.
I am a defender of law-professor-twitter, and I find it a valuable medium for discovering new work and ideas, especially outside my close circles. But this has been a bad episode for scholarly values and scholarly norms.
III: Constitutional Law in the Legal Academy
I suppose this is obvious, but part of the reason this dispute seems to have sparked such a reaction online is that there is a lot of underlying ideological tension among constitutional law professors generally, and about questions of executive power in particular. These seem to have hardened into patterns of suspicion about the legitimacy of even engaging with scholars who disagree on these issues.
As I speak to friends on both sides of this debate (offline), I hear liberal law professors express the concern that conservative law professors are careerist liars who are deceiving the courts into doing bad things to the country; and I hear conservative law professors express the concern that liberal law professors are a close-minded ideological monolith who refuse to engage seriously with counterarguments and weaponize their control over the legal academy to make up for their lack of control over the courts. Not all law professors – everybody always stresses that – but when you have written a brilliant article, and it has failed to convince everybody, and then people who read it say things about it that seem obviously dumb and wrong to you . . . well what are you supposed to think?
This pattern is nothing new, but it is the obligation of those of us in the legal academy to resist it, and hopefully one day to shatter it. That requires careful, patient engagement on the object level. It requires careful, patient engagement on the object level even when we are convinced that our interlocutors are not as careful and patient as we are. It requires using norms of argumentation that raise the sanity waterline – norms such as evidence and logic and free inquiry, and not appeals to personal honor. And it is not something that any of us can do alone, or in ideological silos.
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Shugerman consistently referred to the royal prerogative in the past tense despite it still existing: it is exercised at the cabinet's suggestion for political matters and at will for many (most?) household matters.
Sayre's Law:
"Academic politics is the most vicious and bitter form of politics, because the stakes are so low."
- Wallace Sayre
I thought Henry Kissinger said that.
Aren’t the stakes of this issue pretty high, though? The Supreme Court appears to be influenced by the scholars in this area, and the Supreme Court cases are deciding some pretty fundamental questions of constitutional structure.
Well if they kept the debate on topic sure. But its way off the issues and I doubt these points, on either side, are going to get cited in any footnotes:
"for fuck's actual sake
"Sometimes, he says elephants = mammals. Other times he says elephants have trunks. Other times, he says elephants need yea quantity of straw. Other times he says early Americans didn't realize elephants had tails. "...CAN U BELIEVE THIS CLOWN!1?!1?"
Kazinski: "But its way off the issues and I doubt these points, on either side, are going to get cited in any footnotes:"
Yes, these sources are usually cited in the main text, not in footnotes. I don't think that makes them less important; what the Supreme Court says in the main text of its majority opinions is still law. But I realize you may disagree.
At the point where you're making a response to a response in which you claim the people who don't believe are either dishonest or stupid I think the stakes are pretty low. The justices aren't stupid and if they are dishonest then it doesn't matter anyway.
I came here expecting someone to mention that quote and preparing to give exactly this response. Thanks for streamlining the process.
It's too good not to use, and it's irrefutable because it's so good.
However I will admit it doesn't actually settle any issues.
Well, one could argue that "laws be faithfully executed" includes preventing election fraud and hence Trump can't be prosecuted under the new indictment, either....
I don't think the president taking care that laws be faithfully executed extends to state laws, though.
It’s interesting that Professor Baude frames the debate in absolutes. The President either has all traditional (i.e. royal) executive powers regardless of enumerative language, or the President has only specifically enumerated powers and nothing else. There is no in between. This makes it easy for each side to proceed simply by refuting the others. Each side can justifiably argue that accepting the other side would lead to absurdities, so its position must be right.
But of course, both extremes lead to absurdities.
I don't think it's a matter of absolutes. I wrote "whether, and to what extent," three times.
But your "to what extent" was dishonest. I know this based on a draft article you talked to me about at a conference.
This seems to revolve almost entirely around, what a President can and cannot do. Going to an example way outside the parameters of this discussion, would like to bring up the subject of Thomas Jefferson and the Louisiana Purchase. By what Constitutional facility did Jefferson have the right to do this? He had previously stated, numerous times, that his Executive Powers, were limited to what the Constitution said. If that was right, do we have to give those lands back to France? If he had the right, where was it set in the Constitution?
This seems to me a similar analogy, different terrain, but still based on Executive Powers and the Constitution. Would welcome a reply.
To do which part, specifically? It was a topic at the time but ultimately decided to be constitutional. They formulated it as a treaty and Congress ratified and funded it.
The Louisiana Purchase was accomplished by means of a treaty. The President negotiated the treaty, the Senate ratified it, and both houses of Congress passed an appropriations bill appropriating the funds. Since there wasn’t enough money in the treasury, Congress passed a bill authorizing borrowing the money to pay France on the credit of the United States.
Everything was done in accordance with the Constitution, which describes treaties and includes them in its enumerated powers. The President is specifically empowered to negotiate treaties by Article II. Moreover, adjustment of boundaries between countries, such as ceding land in exchange for money, was a very standard thing that treaties between nations had long done and well within the treaty power.
All Jefferson did was negotiate with France and get the initial treaty agreed to. The treaty was ratified, the payment appropriated, and the money borrowed by Congress. This wasn’t in any way the President going off on his own.
Wow, even with a scorecard this was hard to follow. I can’t imagine trying to sort out the actual twitter thread.
I appreciate the closing call for civility and a return to academic norms. I suggest, however, that twitter is structurally antithetical to to those goals. I urge a reconsideration (or at least a careful monitoring) of your long-term support for law-professor-twitter.
As a non-lawyer and a student of the constitution (having the ability to read and understand the written word), a person with the vested power to appoint at a position should also have the power to remove that person from that office seeing that the appointed person should be serving at the 'pleasure' of the Chief Executive.
People need to go back and try to understand that the Constitution is the owner's manual.
But the president doesn’t have the power to appoint many of the most important officials without the advice and consent of the senate. Without that consent, they can’t start serving at all, however much pleasure it would give the president. Since presidents doesn’t have unilateral authority to initiate subordinate officers’ service, why would they have the unilateral authority to end it?
Because it's the President's responsibility to faithfully execute the laws, and those executives he appointed, which the Senate approved, have been delegated to follow the President's direction to execute the laws and in many cases promulgate the necessary regulations.
What you are proposing is voiding the President's responsibility to "take care to faithfully execute the law", since once appointed he cannot fire, reassign or presumably, remove all their authority without firing them.