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I found myself disagreeing with some of the points made in co-blogger Josh Blackman's post this morning entitled "I could carve a judge with more backbone out of a banana." Instead of a point-by-point rebuttal, here is a set of more general observations:
- Law is not like the game of Risk, a game of global domination. No legal principle will yield you all the results you want, and principled judging will never yield total domination for any political party or ideology. Anyone who expects that will be disappointed.
- The line taken on Justice Barrett bears no resemblance to her actual body of work on the Court so far, which is absolutely sterling, regardless of whether you agree with her on the outcome of any given case. Here, for example, is a more cogent analysis by John McGinnis.
- The suggestion that what we need in Supreme Court nomination hearings is more "courage" in an idiosyncratic sense (n. courage, 1a "owning the libs") is exactly wrong. Yes, courage is a virtue, but like most virtues it is not reducible to performative spectacle. Supreme Court nomination hearings have already moved too far in the direction of cable news meets WWF. That is a progression to arrest, not to pursue as if it were the path of enlightenment.
- When we evaluate the work of the justices, I am almost tempted to say we should care more about their opinions than their votes. The votes matter, of course. But in current practice, and especially when so few cases are being decided by the Court, it is the rationale and argument expressed in the opinion—with its craft or absence of craft, and its principle or absence of principle—that drives the development of the law. To treat judges as fundamentally being vote-casting officials is a symptom of treating them as legislators.
- For legal scholars, there is value in analysis that does not fully collapse into the analyst's perspective on the merits. We should be able to make analytical claims about what the justices are doing—critical, sympathetic, both, whatever—that stand on their own apart from whether the author thinks the Court is right on the merits. Otherwise we run the risk that our legal analysis will shade into station identification and more cowbell.
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"No legal principle will yield you all the results you want, and principled judging will never yield total domination for any political party or ideology"
Well, then, it HAS to be fixed!
I wonder if Josh agrees with this point or not. I remember him a couple of years ago wondering what the point was of being an originalist if originalism wasn't going to deliver the policy goals he wanted it to.
I agree with your overall assessment but aren't 3. and 4. opposites?
Yes, nomination hearings do seem to be performative spectacles (and any high-vis event with Congress is must-see TV); however, it also seems justices' opinions have taken on a performative element too.
... it also seems justices’ opinions have taken on a performative element too.
I think that this is a function of Presidents and Senators putting so many partisans and ideologues on the Court for the last three decades or more. Justices can't help but let their passions and emotions creep into their writing if they also let them affect how they rule.
It's one of the great negative developments of the last few decades within the Court. They obviously care about Twitter; they obviously pay attention to partisan debates; some of them clearly want to score points and get praise from partisans.
It has seeped into oral argument too. The 303 Creative oral argument was particularly bad-- justices who had already made up their minds dominated the argument, and asked questions for the sole reason of trying to make the other "side" look bad. Meanwhile the justices who actually might have been open minded about the case had comparatively less of the argument time and weren't the focus of the discussion. And all the partisans posted the clips of their justices eviscerating the other side on social media.
I don't know exactly how you claw this back, but Justices need to stop trying to be players in the partisan debate and stop trying to deliver zingers against their colleagues. Maybe forcing the Court to take more cases (which Congress can do) so they have less time to write on individual cases might help. On the oral argument point, only the Chief can do anything about it though (and even if he told Jackson and Alito to stop asking questions in cases where their minds were already made up, Jackson and Alito would probably tell him to stuff it).
For what it's worth, this has been my experience pretty consistently in circuit court arguments lately (my own and my colleagues'), and not in cases that would be expected to get any particular attention or be of particular beyond the parties. Whether this is a cultural change at the Supreme Court moving down or both are symptoms of the same cause is beyond my capacity to evaluate.
I agree with your overall assessment but aren’t 3. and 4. opposites? It... seems justices’ opinions have taken on a performative element too.
No they're not opposites. You should evaluate the justices' opinions as Samuel suggests. If it's performative, it likely has an "absence of craft" and an "absence of principle."
Bingo. I think Prof. Bray is correct on all counts here. (I haven't read Josh's post that this responds to yet. Maybe I don't need to now.)
I totally agree that analyzing a judge's reasoning in their opinions is far more valuable to understanding their jurisprudence than the outcome itself. When you focus on that, you can also more easily identify inconsistencies in how they apply doctrines and principles. The highest priority of the confirmation process, in my opinion, should be to find out whether a nominee has partisan or ideological biases that they won't set aside. Everyone will say that they don't want politicians in robes. Too often that means that they don't want judges whose politics they disagree with to be on the bench.
“I haven’t read Josh’s post that this responds to yet. Maybe I don’t need to now.”
Bray obviously didn’t, either. His post belongs here in the comments section, along with all the other noise.
‘jurisprudence’.
Fixed it for you. Especially when their opinions can barely serve as veneers for their partisan policy preferences of the moment. Especially when their doctrinal analyses are obviously insincere; so that focusing on inconsistencies in their applications might amount to your lending more credence to the opinions than the authors themselves have!
Also, there’s a heavy emphasis on ‘in my opinion’ in your comment. Methinks I live in a jurisdiction where what you seek is LARGELY the case regarding our apex court’s actual practices. However, the idea that that’s what American blue teamers really want, and even what many American red teamers really want, is preposterous. (Not that I’m imputing that to you personally).
There are obviously quite a few upstream things that would need to be fixed LONG BEFORE you’d even be able to get around to having the sort of confirmation processes you’d like to see.
It’s difficult to see this getting any better any time soon. Indeed, it will continue to get worse as the blue teamers continue to impugn your judiciary for having been created and perpetuated by white heterosexual capitalist males (where those are taking to be very bad things, grounds for dismissal of the rules’ requirements, and for taking power by any means necessary to alter the institution and the substantive rules it has generated.
Kavanaugh and Roberts and ACB are Bush Republicans…so they were happy to help Bush steal the 2000 election and provide legal cover for him to torture and slaughter innocent Muslims.
Which innocent Muslims?
It looked to the rest of the world like Gore tried to steal the 2000 election by filing suit in Florida in three Jew countries, and that state's supreme court flubbing its own rules regarding the state legislature's compentencies. Weren't there two holdings, or two aspects to the court's holding in B v G, where 7 Justices held that there was indeed a due process violation (but where the two blue ones then flipped on whether and how to remedy that)?
After the leaks from the American tranny soldier and the guy who defected to Russia, it also looks pretty clear that Obama and your whole blue team was quite keen on killing Muslims too. (Do you think Obama helped to perpetuate genocide?)
"When we evaluate the work of the justices, I am almost tempted to say we should care more about their opinions than their votes. "
IIRC, Prof Blackman made that very point, but regarding the nominating process rather than the Advice and Consent process.
Come to think of it - I have seen several of VC's contributors write separately to disagree with, if not rebuke, Josh's posts.
I don't recall that Eugene ever has. Nor has David, despite Josh's obnoxiously performative cultural Judaism. Steve-O hasn't either, though I am not sure he knows what day it is most of the time.
I noted in a comment to Prof Adler’s favorable post last week about Justice Barrett (also citing the McGinnis article Sam mentions here) was quite the slap-down to Josh’s earlier expressed Barrett views—not least by failing to mention Josh at all.
Prof. Bray's written disagreement here is admirable but makes his failure to object to the everyday stream of diffuse bigotry published by his blog more conspicuous.
Carry on, bitter clingers.
They will, but in fewer and fewer numbers.
Agreed. He, and everyone else should object to your mindless, hypocritical daily espousal of bigotry on the VC—especially as you’re equally keen to regularly vomit out your mindless cultish blather about inclusiveness (which you don’t even really believe).
One might be inclined to suggest that you ought to feel ashamed about this; indeed, to be deeply ashamed of who and what you are. But, obviously, you’re just an evil lying totalitarian who cares not one real whit about decency, justice, truth, the rule of law, honesty, goodness, or even perpetuating civilization.
You’re really just a barbarous, under-educated, uncultured parochial ape whose self-delusion is to suffer under the misapprehension that you’re actually a civilized educated person, one who is part of a healthy, vibrant, political culture, one whose norms are flourishing and have a viable future. You have what I shall now style as ‘cultural dysmorphia’.
Regardless, once you and your lot have demographically gone the way of the Dodo bird, America might have the chance of ACTUALLY becoming an educated, enlightened land.
RE: point 3
I think this is spot on, and reminded me of the Kathy Griffin thread from a few weeks ago. Commenters there savaged the company in question for “cowardice” (a lack of courage, if you will) where “courage” was defined as continuing to retain a CEO who had the good sense to get himself posted on the internet being a colossal asshole and getting into a verbal slap fight with a bunch of teenagers going to prom. There was a trans angle there, to give it cultural valence, (which was probably why EV posted it) and that really pushed the takes into white-hot territory.
Oceans of ink have been spilled about the newly unbound huckleberry id and to me, this kind of complaint about courage is part and parcel of that. We are talking about people who go to rallies and laugh at the idea of an 80 year old man being assaulted in the entryway of his home by a hammer-wielding assailant, all while wearing a “fuck your feelings” t-shirt. What the movement demands these days is a maximalist and unrelenting commitment to owning the libs, ideally in the most obnoxious and in-your-face way possible. For those of you wondering how you ended up with a smarmy couchfucking dipshit as your VP nominee, wonder no further (see, for example, doubling down on the cat lady stuff).
In such an environment, where every latest cultural hubbub is part of a wider existential battle against a global cabal of child-eating pedophiles, one can almost make out Josh’s real complaint here: compromise is treason.
Josh Blackman is the ugly, obsolete American past. Right-wing intolerance, old-timey superstition, unearned and undeserved privilege, social conservatism, etc.
That’s why he is stuck at a lousy law school despite Leonard Leo flashing satchels of cash at better schools.
I think he knows this. It’s why he is desperate and disaffected, figuratively flashing middle fingers at the culture war’s winners, sniping at conservatives who do not share his extremism, and expressing disdain for modern America.
Remind us at which school you're on the faculty?
‘…the culture war’s winners…’.
The people who don’t meet replacement rate? The folks who are fundamentally reliant upon outsiders to prop up their civilisation?
How have, or could, the win? They’re doomed. So are their values, globally.
Domestically in the USA, once millions of ‘far right’ Americans understand how your lot aims to consolidate control, and so information control, via hiring practices (etc) in unis and other institutions, they’re going to kill folks en masse. (And as the rest of the world increasingly comes to understand that THAT’S how your institutions REALLY operate, you’ll become an even bigger laughing stock than you already are.)
If even 0.5% of those American people are what you regularly claim them to be, then hundreds of thousands of people will be murdered in your country over the next decade. You’re too dumb and socially unaware to see what’s ACTUALLY coming for you. 🙂
It’s amazing that you American lib-left morons (but I repeat myself) can talk about ‘safe spaces’, when there’s no more dangerous place for libtards and commies than unis: they’re basically HERDING themselves by even showing up there…
And when the pseudo-scholars who populate your ‘better’ American law schools FINALLY have a light shined upon them, their ‘scholarship’, and their scheming, such that the average American finally pays attention to what they’ve been up, they’ll never show up to work there ever again.
You’re country’s in a downward (death?) spiral now. It’s almost entirely your side’s fault. Good luck trying to keep your loved ones alive through the process…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoyvvEWHodk
You really wish to downplay things, don’t you. These folks see you as evil totalitarians who are ruining their country, and the world, based on your dogmas and intuitions about how to actualise progress.
They don’t want to ‘own the libs’. They want to kill you. After the November election, they probably will do so, too—especially if they come to see that the election will have no real impact in hindering the policies they oppose; this, even if Trump WINS and nothing changes dramatically.
It’d be hard press to deny that you’d deserve your fate either. After all, you really are totalitarians who have ruined their country, and who have undertaken a foolhardy and megalomaniacal imperialist programme to socially re-engineer the globe.
“They don’t want to ‘own the libs’. They want to kill you”
That may be true, but I am unconcerned. Because they are also dumb cosplaying bullies who share a crucial characteristic with all bullies: they are cowards.
Weren't all those folks 'insurrectionists', rather than mere rioters, who were willing to 'break into' the Congress?
Aren't they all 'far right' and 'fascists'?
What happens in the USA if even 0.5% these folks aren't cosplaying cowards...?
You're even inconsistent about how your characterise your rivals/enemies. It's part of your totalitarianism and delititimisation strategy.
You're in deep trouble in America, even if you are too cowardly to admit it to yourself or others.
They sure were!
And they were all there for their big day! Ready to “hang mike pence”! And then they couldn’t even get it together to construct a functioning gallows.
And so now they’re all in prison, singing songs together. Dumb cosplaying losers and coward insurrectionists are still insurrectionists, and should be treated accordingly.
How many of them were charged with ‘insurrection’, per the relevant statute, and found guilty under such a charge?
Just kidding: you’re an American, and so you obviously cannot control your overriding compulsion to lie in response. That's why no one is actually interested in what you'll say about this---or anything else---anyway. (Which is why any real dialogue with your lot these days is a waste of time.)
What's it like knowing that, despite your entire identity being wrapped up in the idea of your being enlightened, progress, etc, most of the world now thinks you're evil totalitarians?
(AGAIN, do you think I would or could ever trust what you say in response to that question?) 🙂
Oceans of ink have been spilled about the newly unbound huckleberry id and to me, this kind of complaint about courage is part and parcel of that.
I’m your huckleberry.
Scalia and Brennan had an outsized legacy because 1) they had a clear doctrine, even if they didn't always stick to it themselves, and 2) they were nice about it, and via a combo of collegiality, flexibility on the unimportant stuff, and force of will, turned their doctrine into legit legal movements, both on the Court and off.
That the right these days just wants firebreathers who will get them results *now* does not speak to a party interested in changing the polity, just ruling it.
‘That the right these days just wants firebreathers who will get them results *now* does not speak to a party interested in changing the polity, just ruling it’.
This differs from your American blue teamers how?
If you’re claim that they’re sincere adherents of legal doctrine, judicial craftsmanship, and the rule of law, then I, and most of the legal world outside the USA (especially those situated in more civilised countries), will laugh in your face for deigning to offer such an obvious and ridiculous lie.
This differs from your American blue teamers how?
All politicians want power. The ones with some integrity sincerely believe that they need the power in order to do something good for the American people, rather than just fulfill their own ambitions. The task of voters is to recognize that their preferred side is not any kind of exception to this. We are already well motivated to be skeptical of those we oppose. That is why we must do extra work to make sure we check the ones that tell us what we want to hear.
If our instincts are to point fingers across the aisle when when our side is criticized, then it is clear that we need to examine our side before we do any pointing.
Sorry, although that sort of stuff sounds nice and laudable, it simply won't cut it any more. That simply isn't what MOST of those folks really do. It doesn't help to note that some subset might have some integrity either---especially when it becomes conspicuous, to the whole world, that, as a bloc, the group systematically lies and regularly abuses power.
This was a good post, though I think it needs more cowbell.