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JD Vance on Justice Scalia in 2014
"He's become a very shrill old man. I used to really like him, and I used to believe all of his stuff about judicial minimalism was sincere. Now I see it as a political charade."
One of the rites of passage of becoming a prominent conservative politician is that your former friends disclose private correspondences to the mainstream media. And so it has come to pass for JD Vance. One of Vance's YLS classmates gave the New York Times more than 90 emails and text messages from 2014-17. Some of the passages reflect on the Supreme Court:
In 2014, they were both near the beginning of their careers, about a year out of law school.
Mr. Vance shared that he was planning to buy a house in Washington, D.C., with his wife, Usha, whom he also met at Yale.
The Vances could afford a house in Washington's highly priced market partly because Mr. Vance was starting a job in Big Law. "Blech," he wrote then, indicating his distaste for a career he had already decided against. He would remain with the white-shoe firm Sidley Austin for less than two years.
In the same exchange, Mr. Vance also wrote about his wife's interviews with justices of the Supreme Court, where she was seeking a clerkship. Mr. Vance worried that her seeming politically neutral, or lack of "ideological chops," could harm her chances.
"Scalia and Kagan moved very quickly," Mr. Vance wrote, referring to Antonin Scalia, the conservative justice who died in 2016, and Elena Kagan, one of the court's current three liberal justices, "but she was just not going to work out for Scalia."
Nelson wrote back, "His homophobic screeds are hard to believe in 2014."
"He's become a very shrill old man," Mr. Vance responded. "I used to really like him, and I used to believe all of his stuff about judicial minimalism was sincere. Now I see it as a political charade."
Mrs. Vance would end up clerking for Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr.
Wow. There is a lot to unpack here.
First, it is well known that Vance has done a 180 on Trump. He used to speak of Trump in the harshest terms, but has now come to become one of Trump's most ardent defenders. I think it would have been expected for a Yale conservative* to be critical of Trump before 2016. But Vance's criticism of Justice Scalia was a different matter altogether. This email came in 2014, the year after Justice Scalia's Windsor dissent. This is almost certainly what Vance's friend referred to as "homophobic screeds."
Windsor was one of Scalia's last, great dissents. Here is the intro:
This case is about power in several respects. It is about the power of our people to govern themselves, and the power of this Court to pronounce the law. Today's opinion aggrandizes the latter, with the predictable consequence of diminishing the former. We have no power to decide this case. And even if we did, we have no power under the Constitution to invalidate this democratically adopted legislation. The Court's errors on both points spring forth from the same diseased root: an exalted conception of the role of this institution in America.
Justice Scalia was the scion of the conservative legal movement. At times he drove all of us nuts, but we would never say he was engaged in a "political charade." If you were to take a poll of Federalist Society members in 2014, how many would attack Scalia with such language? I suspect it is a vey small number. Indeed, I'm not even sure that Vance was ever a FedSoc member. I graduated law school only a few years before him. I first learned of him when Hillbilly Elegy burst onto the scene. I remember being surprised to learn he was a recent YLS grad, since I had never heard of him. I am far more troubled by Vance's criticism of Scalia than anything he ever said about Trump.
Second, Vance provides some unwitting insights into the clerkship game. He describes Usha Chilukuri, his future wife, as politically neutral, and lacking "ideological chops." At Yale, a Supreme Court clerkship is considered something of a birthright--the only question is which justice will hire them. That the same candidate was even considering applying to both Justice Kagan and Justice Scalia (of "homophobic screed" fame) suggests that she was willing to appeal to both sides of the spectrum. Scalia was known to hire counter-clerks, but Usha does not strike me as counter-clerk material.
Third, Vance provides some even more unwitting insights into the types of judges who ultimately hired a really smart law clerk who lacks "ideological chops": Amul Thapar on the Eastern District of Kentucky, Brett Kavanaugh on the D.C. Circuit, and Chief Justice Roberts on the Supreme Court. In 2014, these were judges who did not impose any sort of FedSoc litmus test on their hiring, and were known to hire clerks from both sides of the spectrum. And so they did with Usha.
***
It is always precarious to judge a person by things they did in their youth. People can grow from setbacks in their past. Indeed, I think much of the blowback of my post on Kamala Harris's bar failure missed the point. I noted at the end some other very prominent people failed the bar, and went onto great success. I've also written about Joe Biden's law school plagiarism, Elena Kagan's mediocre 1L grades, and the fact that Mitt Romney never even took the bar!
How then to explain these comments from Vance only a year after he graduated from the most elite institution. Was he just telling a liberal friend the standard liberal party line? Did he truly did not understand what Justice Scalia was doing--perhaps owing to his deficient legal education from a left-wing faculty? Did he never seek out any opportunities to learn about Scalia from FedSoc events, or otherwise? Or did he really believe what he wrote about Justice Scalia? If so, did he ever stop holding those views? And what kind of judges would Vance recommend for the courts? I'd like to hear some answers to these questions.
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Vance is a high-level American politician. He has prepared himself, and has been groomed, for political office for many years. So, was he lying then or now? Has he been instead lying throughout? (Does he even have sincere stances that he must lie about?) After all, circa 2014, he might not have seen which way the wind was blowing for the GOP.
On the other hand, what is so difficult about believing that Vance really thinks that all SCOTUS members are engaged in a charade? After all, Originalism has basically been abandoned by the ‘conservatives’ on the bench in the last two years’ key cases. Living originalism has, in turn, always been an intellectual fraud.
AIDS (aka the Right Rev A. Kirkland) had the audacity to call Elana Kagan a ‘justice scholar’ on another VC thread the other day. Kagan has but a handful of articles, several of which were published in her own faculty’s own law review… Is it really inconceivable that she might just be a political hack?
Here’s another thing worth considering: was Vance’s marriage itself (merely, solely) strategic?
Or, just maybe, his views have matured? Unlike the left that will never mature intellectually. Where can you go from communism? Nowhere sane.
I beg you to learn what communism is.
Do you prefer Marxist?
They are not the same. You ought to learn the differences
Why? No real differences, just cosmetic.
So then, that’s it then, you just want to be called Marxists not communists. Ok, I’m easy. No problemo Don Nico.
Don’t waste your time on that.
Marx said there’d be dictatorship of the proletariat with be an administration of things, a planned economy, rather than capitalism. Eventually, though, both the state and the law would wither away; they’d become unnecessary. ONLY THEN, Marx thought, would we get to real communism. Marx was VERY sketchy on the details on what that would look like, however. (It always read to me like a mixture of utopianism and science fiction; no scholar that I know of really pays attention to the latter aspect.)
After Marx, his followers divided over many things. One was whether the state should have power over production, or whether decisionmaking should be done by workers councils. (Lenin vs Trotsky. That’s why Chomsky et al called themselves ‘libertarian socialists’.). They also divided over whether they should wait for the proletarian revolution to arise of its own accord, or whether they should try to be ‘agents of change’/a ‘vanguard’ and consciously try to implement a socialist revolution and socialist state.
After the USSR and other socialist economies were shown to be failures (eg regardless of whether you think they’re authoritarian, oppressive, etc, they COULDN’T plan their economies efficiently/well), many Marxists tried to rationalise this in various ways.
One way was by saying that those states were doomed to fail BECAUSE they didn’t let the material dialectic play out. For example, they didn’t let capitalism first flourish in Russia to have a sufficient quantum of industrial productive capacity that the people could then SEIZE when the revolution eventually came. (Russia in 1917 was still an agrarian economy, whilst Marx was talking about industrial societies.)
Another way is by saying that the state interfered with the productive ownership, rather the worker councils make decisions, and so it was a ‘Stalinist bureaucracy’, not bona fide (proto-)communism. (It was bona fide socialism, though, and not all socialists are communists.)
Since at least the USSR’s collapse, some Marxists say they’re JUST Marxists to the extent that that dogma provides cogent analyses of our current system, but that they are NOT advocates of seizing the means of production and exchange or trying to bring about regime change. Those folks also waffle on the ‘calculation problem’, especially over whether modern computers have/can solve it (ie whether a long-term, efficiently planned economy is viable). (If you ever read Jacobin, you’ll see how superficial and religious these commies can be about these things.)
So, often, saying that ‘I’m just a Marxist, not a communist’ is a front, a protective disguise/trick, a way of hiding behind mere theory to divorce the speaker from 20th century commie regimes — ones that Marxists really did support and hoped would win at the time. (The same is true, it turns out of many social democrats and democratic socialists. Records released after the USSR’s fall show that many such organisations in Europe were ready, willing, and able to help out with a Soviet invasion of Western Europe in the 20th century.)
Rather than play their word game, it's better to just call them 'totalitarians' since that's what they are.
Arguing that Marxism isn't communism is like arguing that Hitlerism isn't Nazism. It's just pointless word games.
Everybody who has actually made a serious effort to put Marx's theories into effect has created a horror show. At this point everybody who still supports taking those theories seriously owns those horror shows.
When Riva stops calling like DMN communists we can talk about why these definitions matter.
Why? Your lot doesn't care what 'far right' and 'fascist' mean.
In fact, you consciously abuse them to try to shift the Overton window. As if the real far right, such as the BNP, aren't, weren't, and haven't always been explicitly and sincerely anti-capitalist.
I mean, it's more like arguing that Naziism isn't the same thing as fascism. (For the sake of clarity: I'm not saying that Nazis aren't fascists; rather, I'm saying that not all fascists are Nazis.)
But that wasn't my point; it wasn't that Riva got the nuances of Marxism vs. communism wrong, but that he doesn't understand either concept at all. It's just an epithet he reaches for. He might as well be saying, "bastard" or "moron" or whatever.
Some Jew nonsense that's singlehandedly cause more human suffering than any other ideology.
The Jews claim the crown of causing human suffering.
Blackman, Bernstein, and Volokh will issue the customary partisan pass to this guy with respect to the antisemitism . . . because clingers gotta cling together as the modern American mainstream passes them by.
They will show up soon enough to try to pin some antisemitism (real or confected) on a liberal or libertarian, though.
#PartisanHacks
#PartisanHacks
(Jew pig?) pot calls kettle black. News at 11.
Your dead-Jew-god-animal-sacrifice is the ultimate cause of that suffering, no?
Does Jesus take the credit, and not just the suffering of all mankind?
How was originalism abandoned?
"Presidential immunity."
Separation of powers. The executive vesting clause. Constitutional interpretation since there was a constitution to interpret.
Not immunity. Also not immunity. And nonexistent.
When you discover verbs, you're really going to make some killer arguments I bet.
Separation of powers applies to (delegated) functions. It does not offer a defence to a crime. And further, as a matter of standard interpretation, where a privilege is extended in specified cases, the failure to extend that privilege to other situations is intentional, Here, there's congressional immunity, Had the FFs wanted to immunise the president, they could have done so.
Every single defence of the majority decision comes up with bogus bullshit like separation of powers - hardly surprising because the majority had to come up with bogus bullshit in order to arrive at the decision.
Of course it can offer a defense to a crime, depending on what the crime is; Congress can't criminalize the exercise of delegated powers by the other two branches. It can enact a law presuming to, but that law would be unconstitional.
Congress could, for example, enact a law presuming to dictate to Presidents how they go about pardoning people, and maybe even override the resulting veto, but separation of powers would provide the President who violated it total immunity. You could come up with similar examples for the judicial branch.
Saying a law is unconstitutional is a very different procedure than immunity.
It is literally what the Court just ruled!
The Court did not hold any laws unconstitutional.
SRG2, you have a narrow and incomplete understanding of separation of powers principles and fail to understand how they support presidential immunity for official acts. In the context of that decision, the principles concerned the design of the presidency within the constitutional framework itself. Consistent with that framework, the criminal prosecution of a president for official acts was determined to intrude on the authority and functions of the Executive Branch. In a nutshell, you’re wrong.
You sure do sound legalish, but you didn't say much here other than separation of powers says you're right.
I'm not sure if circularly defining terms is much better than your usual ipse dixit.
I'm not surprised you don't understand Sarcastr0. Never argue law with laymen. Or idiots. Marxists maybe, but not Marxist idiots.
Haha, I have a law degree you utter schmendrick.
You have strong law student energy if you ask me.
Aaand now back to just using words wrong.
You wouldn’t know a Marxist if they fomented a revolution in your pants.
Of course you do. It really shows. Not really sure what kind of games are going on here but a lot of you sure like to play pretend lawyer. Could be just a bunch of obnoxious college kids or an insane asylum.
You have a completely fictional understanding of so-called "separation of powers principles." They do not in fact support presidential immunity. (Once again: if "separation of powers" implied immunity, then there would be no need for the Speech & Debate Clause. But there is, because not a single founder even remotely contemplated the notion that "separation of powers" meant immunity.) In a nutshell, you're wrong.
After all this time reading your inane comments on separation of powers, including a belief that there were no such concerns because an "executive" officer was prosecuting, I can only say you're welcome to your views Dave, because I have nothing further to say to you on the matter.
Sure are flouncy today!
Why does the Speech and Debate Clause exist for Congress doing their core functions, but nothing like it for the President?
There is a unique history underlying the belief for a need for the Speech and Debate clause stemming from historic abuses by the English monarchs. And of course, the executive doesn’t legislate.
Let's see, a Marxist and not much understanding of history. Let me guess, you work in the public school system?
"because I have nothing further to say to you on the matter."
Best news all week
Not really possible to have any kind of exchange of views with someone so profoundly ignorant on the subject. That means you too. Go home now, your mother is probably worried.
You would be more convincing if you quoted that part of the Constitution which used the term "separation of powers". Oh, wait...
The same Constitution that implies a separation of powers also implies that the president is weaker than Congress, and also does not provide for presidential immunity.
In a nutshell, you're ignorant.
What separation of powers? The DOJ is part of the executive branch.
You have apparently attended the David Nieporent School of Law.
Isn’t it customary for people seeking SCOTUS clerkships to apply to all the Justices? If it’s not still, I’m pretty sure it used to be.
Used to be. Applicants with ideological group memberships on their resume now rarely apply for cross-ideological clerkships with the Court. It's beginning to bleed down to appellate clerkships generally. See https://harvardlawreview.org/print/vol-137/law-clerk-selection-and-diversity-insights-from-fifty-sitting-judges-of-the-federal-courts-of-appeals/ but it's a phenomenon that's been on the radar for a couple of decades now.
Quotations are hard.
For some people, at least.
Boo hoo hoo, I got my nose slapped for being a bad puppy 18 years ago and I'm still traumatized by it!
boo hoo hoo!
lol that's my impression of you
Blackman seems to botch the provenance of the quotation underlying his comment. You seem too dumb to apprehend that point.
Carry on, clingers. As best you can manage and so far as your betters permit.
‘As best you can manage and so far as your betters permit’.
Thanks for deferring to me, AIDS. It’s good of you to recognise that, as hubristic as you are, as an illogical, under-educated parochial fuckwit, you are in no way competent or worthy to tell others what to do. (They tried to explain this to folks like you in ’76, but the latter were too obstinate and ignorant to listen then.)
Blackman cleaned up his work without acknowledging the error or correction. Standard Volokh Conspiracy “scholarship.”
No wonder schools such as Northwestern no longer want to hire movement conservatives for faculty positions. Well, that and the bigotry.
Yeah, that must be the reason... It couldn't be instead because they're under-qualified totalitarians who are seeking to consolidate control the content and simultaneously advance a political agenda via their hiring decisions.
And it's not as though those schools aren't largely populated by people who would NEVER qualify for academic positions in good unis in more civilised countries, who were never trained to be scholars in the first place (and so seek to advance their activist causes of the moment by ANY sophomoric, rhetorical means necessary, rather than engage in serious scholarly research and the pursuit of truth), and who publish pablum in American law reviews that the rest of the world knows better than to read.
Do you ever read these idiots, AIDS? https://balkin.blogspot.com/
Scalia was a bigot. Which made him a Volokh Conspirator hero.
Scalia was a bigot
The VC folks like bigotry.
So, Scalia was their hero.
Kirkland is a regular VC member and an established bigot.
Ergo, Scalia is Kirkand's hero.
No membership. I comment when former professor Volokh refrains from censoring me.
You comment daily. You're a true blue member.
The important point is that Antonin Scalia was a gullible, deplorable bigot and a stain on our nation. He just couldn't love a country that was becoming more diverse, less religious, less rural, less backward, and less bigoted.
The important point is that you’re a hypocritical bigoted moron who espouses an evolutionarily inferior meme and ignores all empirical evidence of its being so.
Your blue team justices aren’t respected in other Western countries for the simple fact that they’re liars. Not misguided. Not self-deluding. They’re consummate liars who will say anything to attempt to achieve a particular policy result. Most of their political analogues on apex courts in other countries know better than to emulate them. After all, it’s a form of institutional suicide.
Yes, they are, except amongst people paid by Vladimir Putin.
Wanna bet, Nieporent? I haven't the slightest doubt that I know more apex court justices, in various jurisdictions, outside the USA than you do.
Whatever you say, vlad.
Why don't you want to bet?
Aside from the fact that I don't wager as a policy, I'm pretty sure that betting a wholly anonymous person about a completely unverifiable thing is probably not prudent.
I am happy to provide credible, VERIFIABLE evidence: email correspondences, invitations, even edits and comments on scholarship.
Shall we bet? How about the legal title to your primary residence? I'll pay you today's fair market value for it if I can't prove it. You, in turn, must gift me the free-and-clear legal title to your primary residence and cover all taxes and liabilities for that transfer.
(Would you be willing to sign a NDA, or something comparable, regarding the personal email addresses of certain justices?)
JD Vance is nouveau riche and that's a real problem because it isn't that the nouveau riche forget where they come from but they have a selective memory of it.
As to the Winsor case, it really is the legacy of AIDS. A lot of young men dying of AIDS in the 1980s had life insurance policies, and they named the activist groups as their beneficiaries. This led to a lot of dark money in the 1990s and people willing to advance the gay agenda in exchange for support on other things. And it showed that supreme court decisions could be bought, much as they had been a century earlier.
Vance scares me in that it isn't clear what he really stands for.
Does it make you feel better about yourself to show off your PhD vocabulary? I had to look up “Nouveau Riche” because in Med School we were taught never to use a word you couldn’t explain without using the word, there are “Islands of Langerhans” and “Langerhans Cells”(that Langerhans was a busy guy) but one has nothing to do with the other,
So I’d never use that word you used, 1: Because I’m a Cool Dude, and don’t use sissy French phrases, and 2: I’m not a jealous A-hole (well maybe a little bit, about someone cooler than me, like Roger Federer or Tom Brady)
And I’ve heard that AIDS story also, right up there with Bubble Yum containing Spider Eggs, (I was a “Big League Chew” man myself)
Frank "OK, I'll say "Cart Blonch" but only ironically"
Unbelievable.
"I don't make things up."
As to the Winsor case
Unbelievable.
Hilarious.
It's obvious what Vance stands for. He stands for Vance
(Today.)
Wow. The children are the left are really triggered by Vance. He wasn't my first choice but given the reaction, looks like it was the right one.
Eggs-Zactly, and like with most VPOTUS’s, including Common-Law Harris-Willie-Brown, he’s good “Assassination Insurance”
And this comment succinctly captures what's wrong with MAGA politics.
I'm not "triggered" by Vance. This edgelord con he's pulling on MAGA is more for your amusement than it is for making people like me angry. From my perspective it's just pathetic nonsense, easily ignored.
If anything, his transparent opportunism is comforting to me, because it suggests he'll be less committed to the Project 2025 fascist project than one might otherwise fear.
Many people in the world are horrified and disgusted by Americans’ lack of knowledge. Simpliciter.
But we’re also disgusted that you fuckwits don’t REALLY know what fascism is or was, that you DON’T CARE that you don’t know, and that you’re happy now to use that label (instead of, or in addition to, ‘far right’) despite its being inapt.
You don’t care (to know anything) about corporatism, about the robust executive branch that must buttress a fascist dictatorship, the perpetuation of private ownership but forfeiture of production decisionmaking rights, etc. (There’s one colour team that leans somewhat in that direction in America today, and it ain’t the red one.)
Obviously the labeling is the latest deligitimization tactic. Obviously it’s about salami tactics. Obviously it forms part of an effort to shift the Overton Window.
And you don’t care that that’s so. You don’t care that that’s obvious to the rest of the world, either. That means you’re not just a blithering American idiot (but I repeat myself). You’re evil and you’re totalitarian.
Whatever you say, comrade.
Managed to get banned on TheEndoftheLeft account, huh?
"his transparent opportunism is comforting to me,"
Me too! Politicians must be opportunistic to be successful.
"Fascist" is doing alot of work there,
I don't think it means what you think it means
Frank
trump himself isn't committed Project 2025 which in turn is pretty tame and bears no resemblance to the imaginary document the reddit crowd is lathering itself over . Its just some phantom boogeyman the left has cooked up to bang on because they have nothing else to talk about.
Its the Left's Pizzagate or Protocols of Zion. Even dumber really, since you can read the real text itself rather than rely on blue check summaries.
trump himself isn’t committed Project 2025...
Sure, Jan. The document was written by members of his administration and is a blueprint for what they want to do once they have power again.
Its the Left’s Pizzagate or Protocols of Zion....
The document exists, AssMunch; and it's not like you've read it, or are characterizing it based on anything other than the right-wing talking points you picked up elsewhere (no doubt from someone with an interest in having you repeat it).
>Sure, Jan. The document was written by members of his administration and is a blueprint for what they want to do once they have power again.
An obama admin official was caught spewing anti palestinian hate speech. Therefore Obama hates palestinians and if he or his crew get in power they will launch a pogram that puts all palestinian americans into concentration camps.
>The document exists, AssMunch; and it’s not like you’ve read it, or are characterizing it based on anything other than the right-wing talking points you picked up elsewhere (no doubt from someone with an interest in having you repeat it).
So what horrific specific policies did Project 2025 promise to put into action directly thats much 'worse' than general conservative goals that have been trumpeted for years? Gimme the direct quotes.
So you're going with the "Project 2025 is nothing but the re-articulation of the longstanding Christofascist goals of the Republican Party, which have never before been fully implemented due to internal differences of opinion within the party, and therefore are of no real concern now, despite their being enthusiastically embraced by key members of any future Trump administration" defense?
Most references to Project 2025 point out that Trump has (attempted to) distance himself from it. That is true.
However, given who he is, and who he’d likely appoint to execute policy for him, Project 2025 is probably a pretty good approximation of what might be attempted.
But not even Project 2025 has gone as far as Trump’s stupid, reckless suggestions about “terminating” rules in the Constitution, being “dictator” on day one, or making it so Christians “won’t have to vote anymore” if he wins in November.
Was he the right choice? Ohio is a safely in the Republican camp and so Trump gets nothing here. Generally, VP are picked to quietly help the ticket and sometimes to be bull dogs but after being elected. Bringing out the bulldog before the election is not the best strategy. I think Trump thought he safely had the election and tried to please his base. Your comment suggests he has been successful in that part. But may have lost ground with persuadables.
I think to some extent Trump has looked at Biden, and seen his own future. AND, he has just had an absurdly near brush with death.
I can personally tell you as a cancer survivor that it really doesn't matter how intellectually aware you are of your own mortality, being forced to face it emotionally changes you. You unavoidably start thinking about what will follow you, and taking into account the reality that you won't always be around.
So, in Vance, Trump probably wasn't doing a political calculation about what sort of VP pick would best help him get elected, but instead what sort of VP could best carry on his agenda. Ideally after 2028, but if necessary some time in the next few years.
I could believe your comments if I thought Trump cared about the future after he is gone.
Right; a far simpler explanation that fits what we know about the people involved is that Vance was a favorite of the venture bros — the Thiels and Sackses and such — and Trump, still running against Biden, figured he needed their money but didn't need to worry about votes.
Could be. My guess is that Trump was looking for someone who will be slavishly obedient to his every whim. Trump seems to think Vance is that guy, and who knows what assurances or promises Vance gave him in private.
Trump is an infamously spectacular judge of character.
Why did Trump pick Vance?
Ask Trump.
(Longer version)
You really will look for any excuse to fellate Trump, won't you?
Brett's take is the fact of this being a bad take just shows Trump's a noble statesman!
The incredible levels or rationalization continue.
Brett, this is the correct answer: So, in Vance, Trump probably wasn’t doing a political calculation about what sort of VP pick would best help him get elected, but instead what sort of VP could best carry on his agenda. + his relative youth (age 39).
What Vance does not have is FU money. He will need FU money for the lawfare coming his way. President Trump has FU money. It makes all the difference.
Sounds like Trump will be able to afford extra snacks in prison.
This weak-ass own the libs shit is what you write when you want to be a loyal party man but have nothing to say in support.
Great comment!
Surprised to here that from you, but I'll take it!
I'm throwing away my vote (Libertarian) so I have no stakes in this. That being said: This is absurdly inside baseball. The opinion that the President has on current Supreme Court justices doesn't really matter. The opinion that the *Vice President* has on *deceased* Supreme Court justices definitely don't matter. Red or blue, they're not even really making a significant choice when they nominate a Supreme Court justice, they're selecting from their team's respective menu. The only exception in the modern era is George W. Bush trying to get Miers on the Court and, well, you see how much on the bench she isn't.
It is not even clear that it is the candidate's opinion. It is just an out-of-context quote that NY Times alleges from a private email. Maybe he was just quoting someone else's opinion.
Perhaps it took several years for Vance to undo his Yale Law brainwashing.
If he is not yet sufficiently devoted to conservative backwardness and Republican bigotry, Sen. Vance could take a few seminars at the Hoover Institution or with the Federalist Society.
You’re not throwing anything away, you’re not voting for the DemoKKKrat. i.e. helping "45"
Still amazes me that a Political Novice like “45” made such effective Surpreme picks, got done what Ford couldn't with Stephens, Ronaldus Maximus couldn’t with Sandra Dee and Kennedy, GHWB with Souter (Bruce Sutter would have been better) and “Roe” was Tricky Dick Milhouse’s fault to start with as 3/4 of his picks voted for it.
Frank
You do realize that the “DemoKKKrat” party has had people of color on its presidential ticket in every year except one since 2008, right? And that during the same period the GOP has had exactly zero people of color on its presidential tickets?
I actually did not know that, because I don't categorize people by color. It's obvious you consider it very important, though. Why is that?
If you seriously expect anyone to believe that you didn’t know that, maybe you can try selling the Brooklyn Bridge while you’re at it.
I assume that TextFirst is saying they hadn’t thought of it it in those terms before. Which isn’t crazy, since it’s a bit of a tendentious way of putting it, given than we’re only talking about two people.
And I think someone like TextFirst is more likely to keep track of such things since it feeds into his white grievance. But be that as it may, I was responding to Drackman’s usual idiocy attempting to tie today’s Democratic Party to the KKK. Given their recent nominating history they sure have an odd way of showing it.
His? White grievance? You're making a lot of assumptions and they're all wrong. Until this thread, I don't think I've even mentioned race once on this blog (possibly it was relevant in a Short Circuits or something and I'm not remembering) and I certainly don't hold any grievances. I simply want equality. But much like a thief thinks everybody else is trying to rob them, you appear to be obsessed with race and think everybody else is too.
Equality?
What is your opinion concerning the strikingly white, remarkably male roster at this blog?
Yeah-- had you asked me, I could have mentally catalogued the candidates and figured it out eventually, probably. But it is a bizarre, race-focused mind that just breaks this out as a fact with basically no prompting. Kind of like when a guy knows the age of consent in all fifty states, he's probably interested in this for more than academic reasons.
I can't see Frank's comment since he is muted and there is no way I'm unmuting that guy, but I assume he made some reference to how racists Democrats are. Therefore his response has much more to do with replying to that, rather than some symptom of his "bizarre, race-focused mind,"
And don't forget, every accusation is an admission.
You didnt notice it because you are not racist
On the other hand the democrat party is fixated on racism -
How many months/years till American blue teamers give the world another term to replace 'people of colour'? Six months? Two years? How long till the former phrase is deemed officially offensive and 'harmful'?
Which will be next in your totalitarian toolkit, you Jacobin slut?
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GOP had a "person of color" on the ticket in 1928.
That was a very long time ago. As was any connection between the Democrats and the KKK.
If you look at the issues, both parties have largely flipped since 1928. 1928 Democrats would today be voting Republican and vice versa. Which is why Drackman's and other's continued attempts to paint the Democrats as the party of the KKK are either ignorant or dishonest.
Not that long ago, Barry Hussein and Parkinsonian Joe gave the Eulogies at Grand Kleagle Robert KKK Bird's Funeral in 2010. Don't believe "45" was there
Frank
It’s “Byrd” and he repudiated his Klan membership many times. You don’t think people who become convinced they were wrong have the right to change their minds? And be honest for once, how welcome do you think a Klansman would be in today’s Democratic Party?
Hugo Black of Alabama was briefly affiliated with the Klan before becoming a U. S. Senator and later a Supreme Court justice. I have heard that Hugo Black, Jr. said, "As a young man, my father put on white robes and scared hell out of black people. As an older man, he put on black robes and scared hell out of white people."
Bird was the only Senator to vote against both Thoroughly-not-good Marshall, AND Clarence “Frogman” Thomas, and was still talking about “White Niggers” as late as 2001, and the only reason a Klansman might not be welcome is they’d take business from the other Anti-Semites in the DemoKKKrat party, lets see, Mullah Idiotic O-mar, Priaprism Slap-a-Jap, Hakeem the Bad Dream Jefferson, Ra-shiita Kabob, and howcome I can’t carry a 4 oz tube of toothpaste in my Carry on, but Mullah Omar and her Ilk can wear a Turban you could fit the 19 9-11 Hijackers in onto the House Floor?
Frank
Only JD Vance is allowed to change his mind, apparently.
The democrat party remains the most racist party with a heavy fixation on race and racism
DEI, CRT, anti-semetism, etc
Right, the people trying to fix racism are the true racists.
K2 - you know that is not true
CRT & DEI are policies designed to create racial division.
While I don't agree with every specific application of DEI and CRT, they recognize the important point that as with any other toxin, racial problems do not go away simply because we choose not to talk about them anymore. Eradicating the results of centuries of a race-based caste system require talking about the underlying causes, making necessary structural changes, confronting those who are still wedded to the race-based caste system, and fixing the damage to the extent it's still possible. The alternative is to pretend that everything is now hunky-dory and if everyone would just pretend that it's in the past, we can go on our merry ways.
Well, it's not over. You need look no further than some of the regular commenters here to see that there is still a lot of fairly vile racism out there. I wouldn't say that it explains Trump in its entirety, but there are a lot of people who are part of the white grievance movement who did vote for Trump because he made racism respectable again.
And what DEI and CRT seek to do is to lance the boil so that genuine healing can take place. You keep blowing sunshine if it makes you feel better.
Like most woke leftist
You fail to see the reality of what is actually happening
"genuine healing" = White genocide
Joe once again appeals to everyone agrees with Joe except for those not being honest with themselves.
What a great flounce/argument!
Find me a POTUS besides Barry Hussein Osama that you can go on Youtube and listen to him say “Nigger” multiple times (in his Auto-Erotic Fictional Biography “Wet Dreams of my African Moose-lum Father”)
Frank
'Fix' racism??
Do you ever read any real CRT scholarship? Do you know any DEI officers?
I know it's a ridiculous question to ask an American, but are you REALLY that ignorant?
I'll be darn, Curtis was 3/8 Native American. I never knew that, good for the GOP. Did a little wikipedia reading, he seemed like an interesting guy.
3/8? or a whole (where's my slide rule?) 380 times more Injun than 1/1024 Poke-a-hontas?
Last time I checked “White” was a color (A combination of every Color, can you get more “Inclusive” than that?)*, and I thought that Colored Person (Dr) Martin Lucifer King (Jr) said we were supposed to judge people by the Content of there Character and not the Color of their Skin. Watsa Matta You? you don’t follow the teachings of MLK(Jr)??
and anyway, I thought “45” was “Orange”
*In 1666, Isaac Newton demonstrated that white light was composed of multiple colors by passing it through a prism to break it up into components then using a second prism to reassemble them. Before Newton, most scientists believed that white was the fundamental color of light.
Frank
...and of course, black is the absence of color.
Duh! That is a pretty meaningless observation.
Since it is a reply to Drackman (whom I have muted) maybe it is justified
Who you be mutin' Willis?
“'Roe' was Tricky Dick Milhouse’s fault to start with as 3/4 of his picks voted for it."
I suspect that Chief Justice Burger joined the opinion of the Court in Roe v. Wade solely to prevent Justice Douglas (the author of Griswold) from assigning the opinion to himself. Douglas's concurrence in Doe v. Bolton,410 U.S. 179, 209-221 (1973), sets forth a more robust defense of the constitutional right of individual privacy than Justice Blackmun's majority opinions in Roe and Doe.
People who live in this country have a "stake" in how we are governed. People who live abroad too, citizens here the most.
A person sends a message if they do not pick one of the two main nominees. In swing states, the vote as a bloc matters more.
Republican voters are particularly concerned about judicial picks. WHAT picks from the menu matters. Souter and Thomas were both Republican picks. There is a diversity of Trump nominations.
Vance is on the ticket in part to promote the conservative ideological brand. His views matter to that extent as did the development of said views.
Blech, White Shoes? I'd hate that job also.
There is no more pathetic example of neutered, emasculated humanity than today’s invertebrate Republicans. I’ve never seen the like of their kowtowing to Trump, disowning their previous opinions in such an obsequious, contrite fashion, professing dedication to the things he happens to like and hatred of the things he happens to hate.
'There is no more pathetic example of neutered, emasculated humanity than...'.
The DOUBLE irony of a non-MAGA American proclaiming this about literally anyone else is delicious.
Not that, as a parochial American fuckwit, you know what irony is, of course...
The eye opener of Trumpists has not been that Republicans are willing to sell their souls, but how cheaply they are willing to sell their souls. Next time I have a dinner party I’m going to buy a dozen Republican souls for fifty cents each and give them away as party favors.
Though from the sound of things, I could probably get a good deal on Ilya Snowman’s brain too.
Yours must be the stupidest reply to anything I have ever read.
You know that the whole world sees your lot as totalitarians now, yeah? You're not the good guys. You're evil. Not bad, not ruthless. Evil. You've gaslit the world for years, you're systemic violators of the rule of law, you have absolutely no scruples, and your values are repulsive even to us, your allies in the rest of the West.
So keep trying to shit on your American red teamers with empty verbiage all you wish if that is what helps to distract you from the way that the rest of the world correctly perceives YOU. It means nothing to me, though. Certainly your judgment means nothing to me either.
I mean, it did get him a senate seat and a likely shot at being one of the youngest vice presidents ever. What else should he have been holding out for?
He might have been referring to the likes of Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, who get nothing more than a chance to kiss Trump’s ass and tongue Trump’s scrotum.
So just like every Friday night in your house?
You're the expert in Asses and Scrotums, I'll give you that.
Vance has done better than most other Republicans who’ve sold their souls, granted, but what have Lindsay Graham and Ted Cruz and Mitch McConnell to show for it? Every morning Ted Cruz wakes up next to a woman who knows he sucked up to Trump after Trump called her a fat cow.
Every day Joe Biden wakes up next to a woman, but he can't remember who she is.
Aren't you clever!
" woman who knows he sucked up to Trump"
How chivalrous of you!
You of course have no idea how she thinks about that, they are still together after all. Maybe she is smart enough to know he is a politician and politicians have to be able to swallow a lot. You have no idea if she was even mad, ever.
Just out of curiosity, if someone called your wife a fat cow (or a hideously ugly pig), how would you respond? And how would your wife respond if you then sucked up to him?
Doesn't matter what I think. Its what Mrs. Cruz thought and thinks now that matters. As far as I know she's never spoken about it.
If your theory that she didn’t care is true, then she abetted normalizing that for political gain, which would not speak well of her. But it would speak even less well for her husband who under any theory was willing to let his wife be publicly disrespected for political gain.
"45" published that photo of Rafael's fat wife only after Rafael's Cam-pain released a nude photo of Melania (that'll get people to vote for Rafael!) at least "45" wasn't a pussy like Rafael and pretend he didn't have any control of "whoever" published it. Rafael's almost as clueless as Low-Energy-Jeb bragging about how his Brother "W" "Kept us Safe*"
*except on 9-11-2001
Frank
Yeah, who knows what Heidi Cruz thought:
Trump: Lyin’ Ted. Lyin’ Ted Cruz’ wife is ugly.
Ted Cruz: Stop right there, Donald. You leave Heidi the hell out of this, or . .
Trump: Or what, Lyin’ Ted
Ted Cruz: Just stop Donald, not one more word about Heide, or I will . . .
Trump: Will what, Ted? She’s not just ugly. She’s hideous. A real pig.
Ted Cruz: That’s it. Now you’ve crossed the line, Donald, and I’m not going to take it.
Trump: Take a look at these photographs. A fat, ugly pig. Hideous looking woman.
Ted Cruz: Now you’ve really done it, Donald. You have gone too far with this man from Texas.
. . . . a few months pass . . .
Aide: It’s Cruz, sir, he’s been calling for weeks.
Trump: Great! I love those Mission Impossible movies, and what’s the one where he played the retard . . . .
Aide: No, sir, Ted Cruz. Senator from Texas.
Trump: Tell him I’m busy.
Aide: Well, sir, Ivanka says you should take this call.
Trump: Oh, OK, put him through, but start yelling that you need me in about two minutes . . . “Hey, Ted Cruz. Texas Ted. My man Rafael . . . I’ve been waiting for this call, after all your talk. Very big talk. So . . . you finally ready to do something here, Lyin’ Ted, or what . . .
Ted Cruz: Sir, well, sir, yes, sir, I am, sir . . . I want to tell you that I’m ready to meet you, sir, right here in Texas . . . and appear together at a fundraiser, sir. Mostly a fundraiser for you, sir, of course, sir.
Trump (making ‘can you believe this guy’ face to aide): Well, Ted, I think we can make that happen, if you can do me one favor.
Ted Cruz: Certainly, sir. Just name it.
Trump: I’d like you to make sure your wife . . . what’s her name?
Ted Cruz: Heidi, sir.
Trump. Yeah, Heidi. You need to make sure Heidi greets me as I walk onto that stage, and I want your children to be there, too, to watch it. (mugs for aide with ‘watch this shit’ look)
Ted Cruz: Sir, yes, sir. Heidi will be there.
Trump: Yeah, that’s what I thought. See you in Texas, Ted.
Ted: Oh, sir, thank you, sir.
Trump: (after the click) What a putz
" Every morning Ted Cruz wakes up next to a woman who knows he sucked up to Trump after Trump called her a fat cow. "
Trump called her a hideously ugly pig, repeatedly I do not recall "fat cow."
Why do you assume Mrs. Cruz sleeps next to a guy who responded to an attack on his wife by kissing the other guy's ass? I figure the Cruzes are no more likely to sleep together than are the Trumps.
No couch for Ted, though. His wife made enough money to afford a separate bedroom for Ted.
And to subsidize therapy for the Cruz children, who must be profoundly confused about family issues in general and with respect to how a man reacts when someone viciously attacks his children's mother in particular.
Every day a Republican doesn't change parties to the Democratic party is "selling his soul" so far as you guys are concerned.
Look, a few years ago, Biden literally tried to make a communist who advocated nationalizing everybody's savings Comptroller of the Currency. She had to back out of it after Republicans unanimously opposed her, and Democrats... didn't unanimously support her.
Not that Democrats generally opposed her, mind you. You just weren't 100% on board, which was what it would have taken to confirm her. If you'd had a few more Senators, wham, a communist would have been Comptroller of the Currency, and you'd have been fine with that.
A Republican nominee for President has to be absurdly awful to not be better than THAT party.
A lame retort
Dems are not the waggon-circlers the GOP is. Look at the edited Acorn video. Or this very much not communist candidate. They Dems folded after a whiff of a bad news cycle.
"a communist who advocated nationalizing everybody’s savings" is so ridiculous you'd think you would question it before you printed such a tendentious take, but you have zero critical thinking when it comes to how bad liberals are.
You've been corrected on it before; I guess you forgot.
Was her daddy a commie?
You've disputed it before, I have not forgotten that you can't distinguish between disputing something and correcting it.
Read the article you linked.
K_2,
That is a lot of words for a childish remark.
Not every witty remark works for everyone. Sorry you didn't like that one.
Tell us when you make one.
Not like the democrats havent sold their soles.
K Harris has been very pro hamas, pro -iran
since 2020 has become very pro crime / pro - criminals.
That she’s pro Hamas is a flat out lie.
Kry – you are either not paying attention or your very gullible
Her actions during the netanyahu visit says otherwise.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2024/jul/26/i-will-not-be-silent-harris-voices-concern-for-gaza-after-meeting-with-netanyahu-video
Didn't watch the whole video, but notably the word Hamas appears nowhere in the summary.
In addition to being pro hamas / anti Israel as indicated by her behavior during the Netanyahu visit, her and the rest of the biden administration have been pro - Iran which is the major terrorist state in the Middle East
Iran supporting
Hamas
hezbollah
Houthis
A vote for the democrat party is effectively a vote for iran and further terrorism
You're no friend of Israel, you just want to use what Hamas did as a way to bask Democrats.
'you're with us or you're with the terrorists' has rightly been consigned to the dustbin of history; pretty shit of you to dig it up again.
Is that supposed to be a comeback? Read that comment again.
Harris and (most) of the Democrat party could not be any more vocal about Israel's right to exist. The disagreement is with the current Israeli government's policy. Disagreeing over how best to achieve security for Israel is not being pro-Hamas.
Yeah right, you'd have told Anne Frank to pay her rent and hold her breath (and she died from Typhus, obviously didn't get her Immunizations) sorry, you Goyim don't get to tell us Jews how to deal with the people dedicated to killing us, and Jew's like Common-Law Harris-Willie-Brown's Beard-Hubby doesn't get to either
Frank
'Disagreeing over how best to achieve security for Israel is not being pro-Hamas'.
Well, that's some seriously disingenuous spin. Your real aim is to remake that ME country and its society. A 'liberalisation' of its population and regime, and to construct yet another third-word jihadi regime adjacent to it.
It's comparable to how your lot tries to mystify your domestic efforts to socially re-engineer your entire population via mass illegal immigration, totalitarian DEI policies, etc, by styling it as just an effort in being more 'inclusive'. (You're not fooling anyone outside the USA about this, at any rate.)
You're going to be very upset when the world order America imposed upon the world after WW2 falls apart over the next few years. (From 14:13 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFn8_ESsffI&t=119s)
Actions speak louder than words
her behavior is very much anti-israel
Pro Iran
Pro hamas
Josh, it almost sounds like you're not so sure any more about this Vance guy. Whatsamatta, you one of these types who think Trump should dump JD and go with a more reliable, ideologically-committed pick? Sure would shake up things, I suppose!
Unfortunately, I don't see a move for Trump that doesn't take him even further from your ideological purity test. Nikki Haley would attract a ton of attention and really shift the narrative about Trump - but that's away from your Ho/Alito-aligned preferences, isn't it? Vivek, maybe? Well, can you be sure he doesn't have some dirty emails or texts in his history, that might come to light in similar fashion? Hm, who else?
Honestly, Josh, I thought you would find in Vance a kindred spirit - a mercenary for hire, no strong ideological commitments, mostly just pulling shit to see if you can get away with it. The absolute worst type of advocate, in other words.
As for Scalia - I would actually tend to agree that I never really saw his jurisprudential approach as a put-on charade. I think he had strong ideas about how the law should be interpreted and applied and how the government should be organized, and his majority opinions always seemed to be earnest in reconciling those ideas with the pragmatics of winning majorities and applying them in practice. His dissents were obnoxious and gross, of course, but no less earnest.
Honestly - much the same can be said of those still on the Court, like Alito and Thomas. They are less measured than Scalia, more willing to embrace chaos and absurdity, but not less earnest in their professed commitments. Everyone knows who they are, and how they rule reflects that. Thomas the guy nursing his idiosyncratic approach to interpretation, and Alito the culture-war-huffing, FoxNews-consuming older uncle who's yelling over Thanksgiving. I think Gorsuch will prove similar, though he's harder to get a read on generally. And I don't align with Barrett, personally, but I'm very interested in seeing how she develops.
The only real hypocrites I see on the Court right now are people like Roberts and Kavanaugh.
The only???
Its blue team cheerleaders lie every single chance they get. No other Western country's apex court members would emulate them---including those who explicitly share their policy preferences.
Get off your high horse. It's YOUR lot who have ruined your court and common law judging in the United States. It's your lot that created a crisis. And your lot that is WHOLLY unprincipled.
It’s hard to believe that Prof. Blackman is able to type out thst 150 page CV with a chip on his shoulder this big about not going to a better law school.
There’s a shoulder underneath the chips?
And a man underneath the shoulder…with a heart.
Nice thing about being a Sawbones, nobody gives a shit where you went to School (and if they do, lie about it just like Parkinsonian Joe)
Frank
Roberts and Kavanaugh supported torturing and slaughtering innocent Muslims!?!! But Vance cares about the lesbian that didn’t want to pay taxes??? Whatever!
Releasing private emails to the press is despicable.
I demand to be allowed to continue living in ignorance!
You haven't shown that you aren't.
Says the guy who cheered for Project Veritas and James "Closet Dancer" O'Keefe.
That O'Keefe video of the Bin-Laden Impersonator waltzing across the Rio Grande was hilarious, and it was during Barry Hussein Osama's Term when Parkinsonian Joe was the "Border Czar"
Frank
Which is why you should never write in an email anything that do not want broadcast.
I hope the kids learn this lesson before they get nominated VP...
How about publishing the contents of a private journal?
Or taking nudes off of a laptop and showing them in Congress?
Look, the man had to check his own identity and beliefs at the door in order ro be allowed in.
Why should this surprise everybody? This is like being surprised to learn that a man who has sold his house has sold his bathroom sink. It’s just part of what goes along with the overall sale.
I imagine the guy sizzles, as AM Currie so eloquently put it, at breakfast. He didn’t hold on like the Baron de Coal. Doubtless money was useful. A pity.
Like Trump himself, Vance was relatively liberal before he took Greater Fool Theory to its logical conclusion and sold.
"Did he truly did not understand what Justice Scalia was doing–perhaps owing to his deficient legal education from a left-wing faculty?"
Blackman's school is ranked 150th out of 196 law schools.
Yale is tied for #1.
If anyone is likely to receive a 'deficient' legal education from these two comparisons, it's the students unlucky enough to have Blackman as an instructor.
Some law students are still stuck with Blackman, but (1) UCLA students will no longer be subjected to a string of racial slurs from an affirmative action hire and (2) South Texas College of Law Houston students weren't going to draw a good professor anyway.
Will they get Boo-fooed by Jerry Sandusky in the Shower?
Don't worry, James David Vance's comments back then about St. Scalia, Trump, trans people, or other things were pre-MAGA.
He will be on the authoritative side of the Trump position now.
Like all politicians his positions evolved.
All politicians. Okay.
Yes. All.
Biden thought Roe was wrong and opposed bussing when he started.
Obama supported gay marriage and then opposed it and then supported it, all within 10 years!
Sanders was anti-immigration before Trump.
Well, that's three. A decent start, but you've got a long way to go to prove your premise.
It would be the work of many lifetimes.
To make an originalist argument, from 1787 to 1789 Alexander Hamilton changed his mind on who was empowered to remove a cabinet officer.
Obama always supported providing basic benefits to gay couples. When he was a local pol, he said on some questionnaire (as I recall) he was for SSM. Back when it wasn’t much of a thing in actual practice.
Once he became a national politician, he basically said it wasn’t time for same-sex marriage (the country wasn’t ready basically) but he was open to changing his mind as events developed.
Since he always supported equal benefits and wasn’t anti-gay in general , once things developed, it wasn’t too hard for him to go all the way. This is not the same as “Never Trump” and then “Trump’s VP” level.
The level of development of Vance on so many issues is also notable. Not just one or two hot-button things. For instance, "Trump is Hitler" vs. "I want to be his VP!" is a bit different than "on a specific type of relief for discrimination I oppose in various ways a certain thing.
Meanwhile, lots of politicians don’t change their basic beliefs.
Concur
Look at how far Harris' positions have been whitewashed.
I am not much impressed by JD Vance, but I do find Usha Chilukuri Vance to be interesting. Here is a person wanting to work on cases at the Supreme Court level but also willing to work with different justices. Wanting to deal with complex law issues but in a way to reflect the ideas of her boss at the time. I appreciate a person like this willing to come in an learn the law without a set agenda.
Maybe Trump should have picked her for VP.
Maybe he should appoint her to the bench. Seems more qualified than some of his picks.
Imagine the exploding heads if he did.
A 29 year old who has never run for office doesn't have firm views about topics he's never spent much time thinking about?
Here's what the NY Times says about his views on the court in 2022:
"At Yale, he met a fellow student he would marry, Usha Chilukuri, who went on to clerk for an appeals court judge, Brett M. Kavanaugh. Democrats’ fierce opposition to Mr. Trump’s nomination of Judge Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court in 2018 appeared to be a turning point in Mr. Vance’s political transformation.
“Trump’s popularity in the Vance household went up substantially during the Kavanaugh fight,” he recalled in 2019."
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/03/us/politics/jd-vance-ohio-senate-primary-results.html
Trump wanted to pull Kavanaugh’s nomination but Bush called Collins and ordered her to drag Kavanaugh over the finish line. Vance spent his entire acceptance speech attacking Bush/Cheney!?! I don’t know who is the bigger dumbass—-Vance or his supporters?? Probably his supporters.
Many people, if they don't have firm views, don't hold out like they do.
Helps avoiding the need of apologists to come after them and minimize what you said.
I love the sense of priorities here. Comparing Trump to Hitler is apparently fine. Blackman will happily vote for America's Hitler no matter what his running mate thinks about him. But insulting Scalia is out of bounds. That's a line Blackman won't let a politician cross, not even a Trumpist politician.
Sorry Josh, I think you’re stuck with him. As Donald Rumsfeld once said:
you go to war with the couchfucker you have, not the couchfucker you wish you had
I'm starting the thing that the left's umbrage at Kamala being called a slut is performative.
I encourage you to keep saying it as often as your precious little heart desires
Of course. It's a presidential campaign, every aspect of the candidate should be examined.
It's good to know that we agree that Vance masturbating into a couch and Kamala fucking her way to the top are valid things to consider.
“we agree”
LOL, ok.
Not taking speaker Mike’s advice, eh?
Lol. Not with cover like this.
"It’s good to know that we agree that Vance masturbating into a couch and Kamala fucking her way to the top are valid things to consider."
The allegation that Kamala Harris slept her way to the top is a canard. When she began Dating Willie Brown (then Speaker of the House in California), she was a Deputy District Attorney in Alameda County. Brown appointed her to the state Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board and later to the California Medical Assistance Commission. Harris took a six-month leave of absence in 1994 from her duties, then afterward resumed working as prosecutor during the years she sat on the boards. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamala_Harris#cite_note-Head-63
In 1998 she went to work for the San Francisco District Attorney's office, and her further career advancements came through winning elective offices, not patronage from Willie Brown.
Both are false charges. But not all sex-based mockery is the same.
The slut shaming is going after successful women, and single women, and women with professional agency.
Who do you think the couchfucker thing is denigrating?
"The slut shaming is going after successful women, and single women, and women with professional agency."
Successful women, single women, and women with professional agency are sluts?
Sometimes, I'm sure. Who cares, unless you're puritan.
But did you miss the part where I said it was a false charge?
My Daughters are, or at least they refer to themselves as such, even wearing T-shirts with "Slut" on them, it's like N-words calling each other N-words, they like the Sausage, don't want Kids, Funny, it's almost like Birth Control is readily available and cheap, (put them on the Medroxyprogesterone at 14) They love men, so why get tied down with one?? (it'd be like them having 1 pair of shoes instead of 101)
Frank
No need to censor yourself. The Volokh Conspirators welcome vile racial slurs. Every one of them. Well, maybe not Somin. He may not get the tingle like the others, although he doesn’t seem to object.
They think being a slut is a positive thing, and especially if you're a gay man who likes to dump loads into dozens of other men.
If you want to tickle Eugene Volokh’s trans fetish you’ll need to bring something better than that.
And you both know you want it.
Umm, that is not "youth."
16 is "youth." 30+ is not "youth."
He would have been 29 in 2014, up until August. Seems pretty youthful to me.
Do you think the same applies to Hunter Biden?
Hunter is 54.
He was 44 when he got kicked out of the Navy for testing positive for cocaine, and landed on his feet on Burisma's board.
And Hunter can say anything he likes about Scalia at any age, and I won't complain.
30+ after a successful(?) military career, too.
But, it's to be expected: Too strong. Too weak.
TL;DR: "Me-ow!"
"Indeed, I think much of the blowback of my post on Kamala Harris's bar failure missed the point."
The real point is not that she is dumb, she isn't, its that she doesn't like to spend the time and effort to prepare.
And that's not my take its what her departed staff members said, of which there was a lot said:
"Vice President Kamala Harris’s office has had a turnover rate higher than 90% over the past four years, according to a watchdog report published Monday.
Open the Books, a watchdog organization that reports on government spending, found that 91.5% of her staff has left since she was sworn in.
Twenty-four of the employees from April 2023 to this past March departed, the watchdog said. Of the 47 staffers that started with Harris, only four have reportedly stayed with her."
https://thenationaldesk.com/news/americas-news-now/vp-harris-office-has-turnover-rate-higher-than-90-watchdog-finds-open-the-books-a-watchdog-organization-that-reports-on-government-spending-found-that-915-of-her-staff-has-left-since-she-was-sworn-in-twenty-four-of-the-employees-from-april-2023-to#
https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/14/politics/kamala-harris-frustrating-start-vice-president/index.html
There seems to be a lot of sudden concern from the right, like The National Desk, over turnover among Kamala Harris's staff since Biden ended his own campaign. There was early concern after her first year, but the turnover then was from burnout, better opportunities and a fear of being "type cast" as a Harris person at a time when it was unclear if another Democrat would succeed Biden.
That a supporter of the party that gave us the trajectory from Reagan to Trump can criticize anyone for not preparing enough is pretty funny.
The turnover is typically in the range of 50%-70%. Harris's staff turnover is 91%. There is likely other reasons that her turnover is much higher than normal.
I think you should speculate!!
Sacastro again demonstrates he is ignorant of basic facts.
Because you failed to read your own comment: "There is likely other reasons that her turnover is much higher than normal."
I think you should speculate!
typical prick comment from Sarcastro
The commentary is that she is a bit--- to work for
do you need further clarification
Other reasons, eh?
And then it's just that she's a bitch.
Well, lots to unpack there. No one is much surprised.
Didn't someone else we know have a rather high turnover when he was in office? Sure seemed that way!
Would you regard that turnover as grounds to think she's not fit for office?
How about Trump's, at 92%?
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/and-then-there-were-ten-with-85-turnover-across-president-trumps-a-team-who-remains/
(I should have waited just a wee bit longer before posting…)
Well, it's no Biden Crime Family, but among some of the obligate Trump boosters it'll have to do.
Keep believing the propaganda
bursima
chineses payoffs
Yes, and?
Good on JD, he was exactly right about Justice Scalia. As was Nelson about his homophobic screeds.
Do you mean 'good on former JD, not so much on current JD?'
I suppose. I don't want to blow his cover as a liberal mole.
Scalia was not merely shrill - he was hysterical and embittered. And he was trying to push an agenda no less than teh gayz.
Politics IS a charade and nothing other.
Politics is rhetorical nonsense at best.
Doing the actual writing of law is different, even though it is done based on charade - the means to achieve advantage over others for personal gain.
Law is no different. While decided by reason, law is still a charade to obtain something without bloodshed, usually, for personal gain.
High-minded worthwhile behavior absent greed is extremely rare and is scorned throughout history, otherwise people would not need law or government, for those two things give the vast majority cover for their evil natures.
Where Vance stands only he knows as is true for each person. Only we know ourselves. Few share truth of self truthfully.
I think Vance knows. Trump probably does not.
On Scalia, Vance was right. He lost any pretense to being an intellectually honest strict constructionist when he voted with the majority in Raich.
What is this obsession with law school grades many decades ago? I've had three major surgeries in my day. I never once thought to ask what the surgeon's medical school grades were. The overriding concern always was the surgeon's record in medical practice, not his or her grades in school 30 or 40 years ago. Why is this even relevant? Shall we look into elementary school grades too for lawyers?