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California Judge Orders Removal of Reddit Criticism of Scientist/Consultant Who Publicly Criticized English Lucy Letby Murder Trial
The order: Sarrita Adams runs Science On Trial, Inc., which "provides forensic consultation services across the United States and the United Kingdom." Adams, who is a "University of Cambridge educated translational scientist," drew public attention by publicly criticizing the evidence in the 2023 English trial of nurse Lucy Letby, who was convicted of murdering seven infants. Her claims were mentioned in, among other publications, The Times (London), the New York Post, and most recently The New Yorker.
Her criticism, however, itself drew criticism, including on Reddit's r/scienceontrial ("This community exists to fact check claims about Science on Trial, its creator Sarrita Adams, and various statements that can be credited to her."). The main poster there is the pseudonymous Reddit user MrJusticeGossipGirl, apparently a reference to Mr. Justice Goss, the judge in the Letby trial. The posts generally criticize Adams' credentials, views on the Letby trial, responses to critics, and more. (There's also a reddit r/sarritaadams, which points the reader to r/scienceontrial.)
But on June 7, San Francisco County Superior Court Maria Evangelista issued a temporary harassment restraining order (Adams v. Gulley, PDF pp. 42-47) ordering defendant Gulley—who appears to be MrJusticeGossipGirl—
Do not make any social media posts about or impersonating plaintiff and her company Science on Trial on any public or social media platform. All harassing posts shall be removed.
This was done based on a restraining order request filed June 6; it appears that Gulley wasn't given an opportunity to appear in court to oppose the order (this is known in this context as an "ex parte" proceeding). The order is effective immediately, and until July 2, when the permanent restraining order hearing will take place.
The law: This injunction, I think, is clearly unconstitutional, and is an example of a broader trend in which some California trial courts have used the harassment restraining order procedure system as an end run around the protections offered speakers in libel lawsuits. (See, e.g., Curcio v. Pels.) This case offers an extreme version of the problem, because it deals with such an injunction related to a matter of substantial public debate, and criticism of someone who has voluntarily involved herself in debate about an important court case—and is offering herself up as a consultant for other court cases (including to district attorneys).
[1.] To begin with, the injunction is unconstitutionally overbroad, in banning all social media posts by Gulley about Adams. As California law recognizes, such injunctions that are "not limited to statements which the court has judicially determined to be harassing and defamatory" are unconstitutional. (Parisi v. Mazzaferro (Cal. Ct. App. 2016), disapproved of as to other matters, Conservatorship of O.B. (Cal. 2020).)
Indeed, though the petition labels Gulley's behavior "stalking" and "harassment," the heart of the objection appears to be that Gulley is allegedly defaming Adams. The petition, for instance, argues that Gulley "has established a subreddit page where she routinely seeks to defame me … and smears my name"; that she has "lost a significant amount of business and the ongoing abuse is harming [her] reputation"; that Gulley has "set out to persistently smear, and defame Dr. Adams"; and that Gulley has made "unfounded allegations" "portray Dr. Adams in a deliberately negative light, for the purposes of harming her reputation." But, again, this can at most lead to an injunction barring specific statements found to be defamatory (and even that not until after a full judicial process, see below)—not an injunction barring all future speech about Adams.
Nor does the analysis change because of Gulley allegedly "impersonating" Adams. That allegation seems to simply reflect the fact that Gulley's subreddits are called "scienceontrial" and "sarritaadams"—but the subreddits in context are clearly aimed at criticizing Adams and Science On Trial, rather than being from Adams or Science On Trial. Such use of businesses' or people's names for obvious criticism is generally seen as legally permissible, see, e.g., Lamparello v. Falwell (4th Cir. 2005).
The petition also alleges that Gulley had "contact[ed] the business making frivolous inquiries and accusations," which apparently consisted of posts (allegedly under several pseudonyms) on the discussion forums that were then hosted on Adams' ScienceOnTrial.com site (see PDF p. 9 and exhibit E). But such speech in public spaces created by the petitioner remains constitutionally protected—and even if it could be barred, that would only justify a narrow injunction, not the broad ban on "social media posts about" Adams or Science On Trial.
The petition alleges "threatening conduct" (PDF p. 10), but that too is part of the arguments about alleged defamation: "Ms. Gulley engaged in threatening conduct, by clearly stating that the creation of her subreddit exists for the sole purpose of damaging Dr. Adams' reputation. Ms. Gulley has repeatedly that she will continue to maintain her stalking and harassment until she stops Dr. Adams from running Science on Trial, Inc." The petition quotes, as support, this Tweet by Gulley: "It's true, I have said that I will set r/scienceontrial to private when Science on Trial the company ceases to exist. However, it is an archive of Sarrita's own words. So if she finds it harassing, that is her own fault." Such speech likewise can't justify the injunction issued by the court.
Nor does it matter that the temporary injunction is set to expire July 2: The First Amendment constraint on speech-restrictive injunctions "is not reduced by the temporary nature of a restraint."
[2.] The injunction is also procedurally invalid, because it was entered prior to a final determination on the merits whether Gulley's speech is defamatory or otherwise constitutionally unprotected. As Evans v. Evans (Cal. Ct. App. 2008) held, "Because there has been no trial and no determination on the merits that any statement made by [defendant] was defamatory, the court cannot prohibit her from making statements characterized only as 'false and defamatory.'" (See also Balboa Village Island Inn v. Lemen (Cal. 2007).) It is even clearer that an injunction that bans all social media statements, and not just defamatory ones, is invalid.
Likewise, the requirement that Gulley remove "harassing" posts is similarly invalid, because it doesn't identify just which of Gulley's many statements "the court has judicially determined to be harassing."
[3.] Indeed, the injunction is doubly procedurally invalid because it improperly restricts speech before any adversary hearing (even a pretrial one) at which both sides can explain their positions. To quote Carroll v. President & Comm'rs of Princess Anne (1968) (a case involving a restraining order issued against a demonstration, but the logic applies at least as much to online posts),
The value of a judicial proceeding … is substantially diluted where the process is ex parte, because the Court does not have available the fundamental instrument for judicial judgment: an adversary proceeding in which both parties may participate…. Judgment as to whether the facts justify the use of the drastic power of injunction necessarily turns on subtle and controversial considerations and upon a delicate assessment of the particular situation in light of legal standards which are inescapably imprecise. In the absence of evidence and argument offered by both sides and of their participation in the formulation of value judgments, there is insufficient assurance of the balanced analysis and careful conclusions which are essential in the area of First Amendment adjudication.
[4.] The injunction also appears to be unjustified under the California harassment order statute, which (1) expressly excludes "[c]onstitutionally protected activity," (2) limits itself to behavior "that serves no legitimate purpose," and (3) requires "clear and convincing evidence" to support plaintiff's case. It's hard to see how the court could have, on the truncated evidence before it, reliably concluded that the criticisms of Adams—in the context of a debate on a matter of public concern—were clearly constitutionally unprotected and served no legitimate purpose.
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Naturally, I don't know who's right and who's wrong on the facts here. But I expect that a busy judge, hearing only one side of the story, and deciding based on papers filed the day before, is also unlikely to reliably determine the facts.
That is why such injunctions are supposed to be issued after a full pretrial process and trial, and not based on a one-sided temporary restraining order hearing. I don't particularly fault Adams, who appears to be representing herself, for requesting the restraining order, or for believing that the law allows such restraints. But I think the judge erred in issuing the injunction.
For those who are interested in more details on the legal question, see this article of mine on such overbroad injunctions. As I note above, the appellate caselaw condemning them is pretty solid; but trial judges often depart from it, as seems to have happened here. And the public nature of the underlying topic just highlights the First Amendment problem.
Many thanks, by the way, to the Lumen Database, through which I found the injunction, as well as the many other court orders (and some forged orders) that I've discussed in various articles, especially Shenanigans and Overbroad Injunctions, and in many blog posts. It has been a tremendously useful resource for my work.
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If the appellate courts are serious in their condemnation they should declare orders under such circumstances void ab initio so that there can be no contempt.
Eh, appellate courts need to be very careful with that.
The reason for the collateral bar rule is simple- we don’t want individuals deciding that they are the judges of the law.
I agree that this is a terrible order. But that’s why we have systems and procedures.
We allow it for legislation. Do we want individuals deciding they are the judges of whether some random piece of legislation is unconstitutional? Why should court orders be special in that regard?
I also think there should be no such crime as “resisting an illegal arrest,” distinguished from “resisting an arrest for a crime you are not guilty of.”
If individuals are to obey the law they need be judges of it.
I believe they did that already quite some time ago. See In re Berry, 436 P.2d 273 (Cal. 1968).
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Now that was a fascinating read. Hadn’t seen it before.
By the way, love this bit of judicial snark….
“In California, as we have shown above, the rule followed is considerably more consistent with the exercise of First Amendment freedoms than that adopted in Alabama, and it is therefore difficult to perceive how the Walker decision is of relevance herein.” In re Berry, 68 Cal.2d 137, 150 (Cal. 1968).
Given the time, I can imagine that they were writing that with more than a little bit of sarcasm.
I want to second the appreciation for that case citation.
I wish my state had such a decision on the books. (Our courts have only noted that it is an open question, which effectively means the Walker v. Birmingham rule prevails.)
I get tired of seeing things along the line of the following: (1) some judge issues an order restraining the respondent from engaging in speech based on content or viewpoint; (2) the respondent fails to challenge it; (3) the respondent engages in speech on the boundary line of that content- or viewpoint-based restriction; (4) the state charges the violation, and says “we are prepared to prove to a jury that the defendant’s speech was about that content or expressed that viewpoint, so let us go to trial;” (5) I make an extended groaning noise while looking for different holes in the case.
How was this notice served to an anonymous user?
Was it made possible by the registration of a web domain?
Although it’s not really very clear, I think that “MrJusticeGossipGirl” viewed Adams’s LinkedIn page while signed into her own LinkedIn account.
What I (IANAL) find most interesting is no discussion of whether the loss of income etc is true. It’s all an example of lawyers’ true super power, of turning every question into a question of procedure. I’m beginning to think Professor Volokh ought to write a book on this.
The question of economic loss is only relevant if the posts were legally libelous. You need the procedure to make that determination.
To paraphrase Judge Chamberlain Haller, you want to skip the pre-trial motions and the trial and jump straight to the verdict.
Governments do not like it when it is pointed out that officials may have screwed up. Therefore, the go-to solution is to silence their critics.
Based upon what I’ve read of the Lutby case, there is a more than 50% chance that she is not guilty of killing those infants. The hospital was short-staffed, she often worked overtime, and she was assigned the sickest infants because of her skills and willingness to take extra shifts. Naturally, a large number of infant deaths would occur under her watch. The court did not allow evidence showing an extended time line would include more deaths of infants while she was not on duty. The prosecution included only evidence that was most convenient to them and supported their allegations. Testimony from those that disagreed with those findings was not allowed.
But as I said, pointing out the government’s screw-ups is not allowed.
There is a lot to criticize about this order, but the suggestion that it’s the result of a superior court judge in San Francisco being incensed that someone is criticizing the outcome of a trial in England seems rather doubtful.
By the same token, the notion that someone in California is harassing someone in England by posting to social media seems very farfetched, even without the First Amendment. That’s far removed from the typical ex-boyfriend/ex-husband stalking his ex.
To be clear, Adams (who is criticizing the English decision) is in California, and Gulley (who is criticizing Adams) is in Pennsylvania.
“Gulley (who is criticizing Adams) is in Pennsylvania”
So how is he subject to California jurisdiction?
California has a “maximum extent permitted by the Constitution” long arm statute, and under Calder v. Jones, 465 U.S. 783 (1984), knowingly making libeling a California resident is probably enough to establish personal jurisdiction for libel. I agree that whether it’s enough to (e.g.) require Gulley to surrender her firearms, as this order purports to do, is considerably more doubtful.
OK. 3,000 miles away rather than 10,000.
Still, the notion that this is “harassment” is laughable.
And actually, I read the summary too fast at first. It was Adams, the petitioner for the protective order, who was criticizing the trial. The MrJusticeGossipGirl, the person whose speech is being “silence[d]” and “not allowed”, was defending the work of the English government from Adams’s criticism. So I really think this conspiracy theory is misplaced.
Well, for one thing, the nurse kept a diary where she documented all the murders she did. It was kinda a big thing
She did indeed keep a diary, but since it did not in fact say that she committed murders, that’s not really very helpful. Police claimed that entries in there were “code” for the deaths, but even if that’s true that doesn’t mean she killed the babies.
I’m not familiar with California procedural rules but it seems bizarre that a party can file papers ex parte and get an order in 24 hours that binds the other side (which never had the opportunity to be heard) for nearly a month. I was under the impression most jurisdictions required an ex parte order to expire within a week to ten days, depending on how soon the other side could appear for a hearing.
Seems like a good candidate for a mandamus petition or some such.
I missed this before I posted below.
I agree, the thing that stood out to me was an ex parte TRO lasting nearly a month.
The appellate court should mandate the judge to take a remedial course in First Amendment law.
There would probably be a long wait list for the course.
The reality is that trial judges — at least at the state level — virtually never see actual 1A cases and arguments. So when they get one of these applications. they treat it as a standard physical stalking/restraining order type situation without even realizing that there are 1A implications.
Sounds like the whole trial bench needs a remedial course.
Indeed. It seems odd that you could spend so much time and money going to college, then sitting for your bar exams then scrabbling your way around law offices and courts for years, then sitting as a judge – and not spot that when you are asked to grant an order banning someone from speaking, you’ve got yourself a case that might have something to do with the 1st Amendment.
Still, I suppose the mercy is that the judge might have gone into bridge building instead.
Free speech isn’t what it used to be.
So a few points to both the non-lawyers and, um, lawyers that maybe aren’t as familiar with this?
1. The order was granted ex parte. That means that it was granted without a full hearing or opposition.
2. Because it was ex parte, no one opposed it or even raised the FA issue.
3. It is temporary. That doesn’t mean that it should have been granted, but it only lasts until the actual hearing and opposition.
4. I don’t happen to know much about California practice, but I do know that in many state it is relatively easy to get an ex parte TRO. Ideally, they should be reviewed thoroughly, but the judge usually isn’t looking at it for defenses, so much as the form and meeting the requirements. Now, ideally jurisdictions require a hearing regarding any ex parte TRO VERY QUICKLY, because, um, EX PARTE.
Honestly, to me the shocking thing here isn’t that the TRO was granted. Stuff happens. The shocking part is that the TRO was granted on June 7, and that there isn’t an actual hearing until July 2, almost a full month later.
That’s a long time for an ex parte TRO to last without a hearing … where I’m practicing now. I have heard that the California courts are backed up, but still.
The Federal RUles place a 14-day time limit on ex parte TRO’s. That can be extended a maximum of ten more days for good cause. And the enjoined party may move on two days notice to dissolve.
Rule 65 provides:
I know! And states usually have somewhat similar requirements.
Like I wrote (and CommentMonkey did as well), the thing that sticks out to me isn’t that an ex parte TRO was wrong. As I wrote, stuff happens, especially ex parte.
It’s that it will be a MONTH before the ex parte TRO will be heard!
The California statutory rule for harassment restraining orders is:
In this case, the court opted for 25 days.
Thanks, EV!
Twenty-five days is too long for an ex parte order, IMO.
In addition, I agree that the use of stalking/harassment statute for (alleged) libel … by people commenting on the internet exclusively … who don’t reside in the state?
Not good, Bob.
Funny how you assume any person who dislikes someone conducting a year long stalking campaign, where they harass clients, family members, colleagues, and contact your university and smearing your name along way – that is tolerable conduct.
If only Professor Volokh were not so dishonest then he would not have gone out of his way to cheer on an unhinged woman who has vowed to put me out of business and does so by attempting to intercept anyone who seeks out services from my company.
Ms. Gulley admits to stalking behavior in her messaging: “Anyway, I have to run for a bit. If there’s questions I’ll work at them as soon as I can. I have been watching Sarrita since she popped up on reddit. I have all the receipts from her time there.”
This woman follows me around online irrespective of the fact that she is blocked. Free Speech and stalking are not one of the same, and egging on stalkers is a crazy and irresponsible.
1. At least you’ve stopped using a sock puppet account.
2. You have completely failed to understand Prof. Volokh’s post. It has nothing to do with the merits of your claims against Gulley. It has to do with the legality of getting an order telling Gulley to stop speaking before there has been any adjudication that Gulley has done anything wrong.
3. Posting mean things about you online is not “stalking” or “harassment.” It might be defamation, if false, but that is something that has to be proven, not just asserted, before a court can order it to stop. If she’s actually communicating directly with you or people close to you, that might be harassment, and might be properly restrained, but the order that this court issued covered a far broader range of speech than that.
4. “Ms. Gulley admits to stalking behavior in her messaging.” Nothing in the sentence you quote constitutes “stalking behavior.” Monitoring someone’s public internet postings is just not “stalking,” and describing it as “following” you around is merely metaphorical.
…and then there is this:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/06/breaking-new-york-court-denies-trump-gag-order/
Trump’s gag order, which bars him from speaking about jurors, witnesses and other parties involved in the Manhattan Supreme Court case, remains in effect.
What do you want to happen?
Given that the trial is over, there is no justification for this prior restraint.
Expect a petition to SCOTUS.
Thank you.
Um… okay.
From my understanding, this was an appeal of the original gag order. In other words, from when it was originally entered.
Trump has now asked the trial court to lift the gag order before the sentencing hearing, and I don’t believe that has been ruled on yet.
So … anyone want to explain to me what hig deal is? What am I missing?
I think this is actually about a new application by Trump, post-verdict, to lift the gag order.
I am welcome to being corrected, but isn’t this the highest court in New York, reviewing the lower appellate court’s review of the gag order? (I will refrain from using NY’s bizarre naming system for their courts)
AFAIK, Trump has not received a order from the Judge re: changing or lifting the gag. I know that the prosecution objected, at least until the sentencing hearing and post-verdict motions.
Okay, well, I don’t think this is worth much effort to unpack, but based on a quick dip rather than a deep dive, I think you’re right.
I think you’re right that this was indeed an appeal of the original gag order. He has also asked Merchan to lift the gag order post-verdict, but Merchan has not ruled on that.
This is certainly there then.
Except that MrJusticeGossipGirl has never criticised Dr Adam’s work, and the underlining science in this case (Amy Gulley is not a scientist). She does not know Dr Adams and was never involved with anything to do with Science on Trial, Inc. MrJusticeGossipGirl is simply obsessed with Dr Adams. MrJusticeGossipGirl has personally stalked Dr Adams and harassed her incessantly for the last 10 months both via hundreds of Reddit posts and over 3000 twitter posts. There is no criticism, only slander, defamation, stalking and harassment.
The author of this article should be ashamed of himself for aiding and abetting the vicious stalker of a mixed race autistic woman who was a victim of domestic abuse.
The author of this article has completely misrepresented the facts of this case to suit his own agenda. And Dr Adams has not been granted access to this platform to defend herself either.
Even now MrJusticeGossipGirl posted this article on her subreddit and her twitter feed the moment it was published.
People have killed themselves for less than what Ms Gulley has done to Dr Adams, and for Professor Voloch to support this type of behaviour under the guise of free speech is nothing short of perverse and absurd.
Who knew that a liberal college like UCLA hires professors who dig around looking to support internet stalkers and weirdos so he can claim government oppression. Wonder if this guy was falling over himself to support the pro-Palestinian students with their free speech.
How do you “harass” someone via Reddit or Twitter posts? No one is forcing anyone to go to either of those services and look at MrJusticeGossipGirl’s posts. Seems like if Dr. Adams wants to avoid being “harrassed” she should probably just block her.
Similarly, it’s weird to say Dr. Adams hasn’t been “granted access to this platform to defend herself”. She could create an account and comment just as easily as any of us! (And Professor Volokh’s post takes issue with the *legal* issues around the restraining order and explicitly says he doesn’t know who is right or not with regards to the underlying dispute.)
And how does one “personally stalk” from 2500 miles away?
“She could create an account and comment just as easily as any of us!
I think she just did?
It’s called cyberstalking. Look it up.
Nope, she tried to create an account with her published company email and was not granted access.
“I think she just did?”—are you inferring that I am Dr Adams? If that is the case, no, I am not. But I have witnessed all that has occurred, and know much more about this case than you do.
I’d like to see you being put through what Dr Adams has been put through during the last 10 months. You are just like every other troll, judging without any knowledge and totally lacking in any human empathy.
How exactly do you know about what happened when Adams (again, I’ll humor you) tried to sign up for account?
Interestingly, when I tried to sign up to this blog with the email Volokh used to contact me, I was not allowed access…. As such I signed up with my non-work email address.
This piece is fairly pathetic, and even more so given that now Volokh’s Libertarian friends are libeling me regarding my divorce. There is no finding of me being a domestic abuser. Though surely even if I were you lot would be defending my free speech rights to verbally attack, defame, slander and abuse at will.
I’m referring to this description of the proceedings from your appeal:
Billings v. Adams, 2023 WL 4618463 at *4 (Cal. App. 2023). Is that not an accurate description of the court’s ruling? If so, what’s wrong about it? As I said, I had not heard of you before today and I’d certainly love to learn more!
You realize you are relying on an unpublished opinion and that unpublished opinion does not actually support the transcript in this matter.
There is no judicial finding supporting a finding that I am a ‘domestic abuser.’
Best you get the transcripts before you rely on an unpublished opinion. “ Unpublished or “non-citable” opinions are opinions that are not certified for publication in Official Reports and generally may not be cited or relied on by other courts or parties in other actions (see California Rules of Court, rule 8.1115).”
Since I’m not a court or party in another action, I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make. Published or not, the opinion is the court’s explanation of what happened and why they resolved the case against you. If you think their summary is inaccurate I’d certainly be interested in your corrections. But you can’t really expect people to accept things just on your say-so.
I don’t think you understand the concept of an unpublished opinion. It doesn’t mean that the findings of a court stated in such an opinion aren’t actual findings. They are. They can be cited by anyone outside of a legal pleading, and they can, in fact, be cited even in a legal pleading; see 8.1115(b).
This is relevant to Amy Gulley, how? Does that mean because you have selectively cited an unpublished opinion that I am not allowed to obtain a restraining order against a person stalking me….
This is quite possibly one of the most pathetic things I have witnessed. Libertarians denigrating the court in one breath and then attempting rely on their unpublished opinions in their next.
Since you are so committed to knowing the minutiae of my personal life, including my marriage, which ended nearly a decade ago, perhaps you can tell me where I left my car keys?
Beats me! ShinyHappyPeople is the one who thought that your being a “woman who was a victim of domestic abuse” was relevant to this situation. So the fact that a judicial officer found that you perpetrated domestic abuse instead seems of note.
Why does criticizing one judge for issuing an unconstitutional order preclude someone from looking at factual findings made by a different judge?
Again, I’d point you to MrJusticeGossipGirl’s notes on the Streisand effect. Until today, I’d only ever heard of you through generally-positive writeups in the mainstream media. If you had just ignored the posts about you that you don’t like instead of seeking this hopeless restraining order, that would still be the case! Now, I know all about the findings of domestic abuse, your various mental health struggles, your inconsistent statements about your background, and so on. Plus whatever this is. Why are you doing this to yourself?
Hey bud, look up the term “Barbara Streisand Effect.” Here’s a clue: it’s not about her singing.
Thank you Dr Adams for your comment.
Remember when that crazy guy who got convicted of impersonating an NYU professor to make some obscure point about the Dead Sea Scrolls used to come around here under a sockpuppet? Getting some real “that guy” vibes.
I am not a sock puppet, but a real person, and the admins for this pathetic site know that fully well because of the details I have provided.
Stop projecting. Not everyone operates at such a low level as you would.
I am not Dr Adams, I am my own person, with my own mind and opinions, which I am expressing. Freedom of speech, right?
Funny how you assume any person who dislikes someone conducting a year long stalking campaign, where they harass clients, family members, colleagues, and contact your university and smearing your name along way – that is tolerable conduct.
If only Professor Volokh were not so dishonest then he would not have gone out of his way to cheer on an unhinged woman who has vowed to put me out of business and does so by attempting to intercept anyone who seeks out services from my company.
What is it that you feel Prof. Volokh was dishonest about?
LOL What wasn’t he dishonest about?
Criticism?
Pull the other one.
This is either Volokh or Gulley, how long before we find out that she emailed him for assistance.
Either way, the State Bar will be receiving a complaint about the effort to aid Gulley’s in her violating a RO.
Really not doing much to support your accusation that Gulley is the unhinged one.
LOL.
I’m sure they will take your complaint as seriously as it deserves to be taken.
Can you point to any statement by Prof. Volokh in his post that looks like “cheering on” anyone at all?
If you mischaracterize his comments that badly, you don’t have a lot of credibility when describing Gulley’s statements.
The facts in the initial post appear to be:
1. Some background on Adams [I’ll humor you and put it in the third person] and u/MrJusticeGossipGirl
2. The claim that Adams applied for and received an ex parte temporary protective order directing MrJusticeGossip Girl, “Do not make any social media posts about or impersonating plaintiff and her company Science on Trial on any public or social media platform. All harassing posts shall be removed.”
3. The conclusion that this order is unconstitutional.
Which facts do you feel have been misrepresented?
As an aside, when I went to r/scienceontrial to try to see whether I agree with your characterization that, “There is no criticism, only slander, defamation, stalking and harassment” (I don’t), I noticed one of the top posts was called “Science on Trial and the Striesand Effect”. Which raises a good point. Up to now, I’d only heard of Adams from the news coverage of her criticisms, and had a neutral-to-mildly-positive opinion of her. Based not only on the restraining order itself (including the grammatically creative declaration she submitted with it), but also the posts from MrJusticeGossipGirl I’ve been inspired to read, my opinion is… much less favorable. All of which could have been easily avoided by just not reading some negative posts, rather than trying to censor them.
I have barely appeared in the media. This is absurd. I was mentioned once in passing. Gulley is not stalking any other person associated with the Letby case. She is stalking me because she is a racist, and I have her racist hateful emails proving this point. The nonsense from this Professor and his fans.
I will suggest that Prof. Volokh has created a means for Gulley to evade a court order. As she is apparently commenting on this site, and posting about me… even celebrating her own subreddit posts. I am sure Prof. Volokh can see as much from the sign up.
Oh, just noticed this gem.
Unlike yourself, Dr. Adams, most of the people commenting here have been doing so for years. For your theory to hold water, Gulley would have to have been hanging out on this legal blog for all that time just waiting/hoping for Professor Volokh to one day take note of your restraining order so that she’d have a chance to discuss it here. Seems…convoluted and pretty ugly!
Besides, as far as I can tell, Gully is spending all her time writing about you. I don’t know how she’d have any time to join the prior discussions here!
So I went and take a quick look at the subreddit as well. Which got me thinking “wow, that MrJusticeGossipGirl person really has a lot of time on her hands to pay attention to whatever Dr. Adams is up to–seems a little obsessive even.”
But now with Dr. Adams and ShinyHappyPeople showing up here to both (a) really pile onto the discussion, (b) make pretty crazy claims about Professor Volokh’s motivations, and (c) make some wild legal claims as well, I’m mostly just left shaking my head about how bizarre the whole situation seems to be. This is for sure a Streisand Effect situation, though–normally I wouldn’t have paid any attention whatsoever to any of the claims about Dr. Adams but now I’m definitely left with a pretty negative impression!
“The author of this article should be ashamed of himself for aiding and abetting the vicious stalker of a mixed race autistic woman who was a victim of domestic abuse.”
Missing the relevance of any of this…
It may also be worth noting that during her divorce proceedings, the trial judge found that she was a perpetrator of domestic violence, and did not find her claims of abuse credible.
Do you understand what a non-citable opinion is?
Well, that is what you are quoting.
Your ignorance is astonishing.
And you dare to talk about free speech, when you do not understand the first thing about facts and truth.
Frankly, it is pathetic.
Accusing others of not knowing what a non-citable opinion is, and labeling them as ignorant is a brilliantly humorous self-own.
https://reason.com/volokh/2024/06/18/unpublished-or-noncitable-opinions/
Thanks for bringing the idiot-circus to town for us all to laugh at.
Apparently my divorce is relevant too… so the more the merrier…
3000 tweets?…. In 10 months… that’s like 10 tweets a day!!!
Including noticing and writing about Dr Adams changing the twitter handle for her company’s account.
On what planet is that criticism and not stalking and harassment?
The professor needs to get a grip on reality.
It is… not stalking or harassment.
But it is obsessive. The phrase “get a life” springs to mind.
So, anyone else see Baby Reindeer?
Good movie. Netflix.
To take this conversation in what may be a more productive direction: is an anti-SLAPP motion available? The statute says it can be filed in “a cause of action against a person” and I don’t know if a request for a restraining order is considered to count.
Good question! My tentative answer is … yes, but I would defer to someone who is more familiar with California law.
To initiate the process under CCCP 527.6, you file a petition. Id.(d).
The anti-Slapp applies to civil causes of action, including those initiated by petition. CCCP 425.16(h).
You must construe it broadly. See, e.g., Olson v. Doe, 502 P. 3d 39 (2022).
So … yeah, I’d say so.
Yes, anti-SLAPP motions are available in harassment restraining order cases, see Thomas v. Quintero (2005) 126 Cal.App.4th 635, 641; Olson v. Doe (2022) 12 Cal.5th 669, 678–679.
Thanks for the added support!
It’s what I suspected, but I am happy that EV (who, obviously, is more familiar with California law) confirms it.
Personally familiar — that’s the basis on which Luo v. Volokh (then Doe v. Volokh) was dismissed by the trial court.
Reading the link now. Yep!
(Given I am currently in a jurisdiction without such a strong anti-SLAPP law, I am envious.)
“CCCP 527.6”
I see they’re not even trying to hide it anymore.
Funny!
Given that the question has come up in this thread — and I’ve seen it arise elsewhere — I put up a post about “unpublished” and “noncitable” opinions. To oversimplify, such opinions generally can’t be cited as precedent in court. There is no prohibition on publishing them online (or in print), or citing or quoting them outside court.
You are a pathetic little man, you have attempted to jump on the back of a case in which I have been hounded for months by this woman.
And now you are literally trying to cite to an unpublished opinion in which I was literally deprived of a right to defend myself. It is no wonder why in the zoom call yesterday you had to turn your camera off. You did not want me to see what a small little man you are.
I have written to the Dean of your faculty, and have instituted complaints about your deliberate effort to aid and abet a woman who is stalking me. You are seriously disturbed, though the reality is you are just trying to jump on the back of the Lucy Letby case much like so many others who have nothing much to contribute.
It is quite evident that you only targeted me because you saw that I had not retained a lawyer for this restraining order. I can see why you will shortly be an emeritus professor….
It’s highly perplexing to me that, on one hand, your name suggests that you’re human. On the other, your posts read like they are authored by a hysterical nut-job from beyond the Kuiper belt.
“…and contact your university and smearing your name along way – that is tolerable conduct.”
You wrote that earlier, right? Was ‘Hypocrite’ your given surname at birth?
Personally, I cannot thank you enough for bringing some new entertainment to the blog.
>in which I was literally deprived of a right to defend myself.
Gee. If only someone would speak out against courts taking action when one side doesn’t have a chance to defend themselves.
LOL.
on one hand, your name suggests that you’re human. On the other, your posts read like they are authored by a hysterical nut-job from beyond the Kuiper belt.
You view those two as contradictory? In my experience they are quite commonly found together. When I used to commute every day to NYC, I saw quite a few in the subway system.
Not only that, but unpublished opinions can always be cited against one of the litigants. For example, to prove res judicata or collateral estoppel. It’s only in unrelated cases that you can’t cite them.
Well, that wasn’t weird at all.