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Matthew Franck on "Choosing Not to Choose" in November
In The Dispatch Matthew J. Franck explains why he will not be voting for Donald Trump or Joseph Biden in November, just as he refused to vote for either Trump or Hillary Clinton in 2016.
Eight years ago, I published an essay for Public Discourse about why I could not vote for either Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump. "Vote as if your ballot determines nothing whatsoever—except the shape of your own character," the piece concluded. "Vote as if the public consequences of your action weigh nothing next to the private consequences. The country will go whither it will go, when all the votes are counted. What should matter the most to you is whither you will go, on and after this November's election day."
There is nothing in what I said then that I would now retract. I rejected the idea that I, as one individual, must treat my choice as confined to the binary of Clinton versus Trump, as though the weight of the outcome were on me alone. It is frequently the case that we vote for one major-party presidential candidate principally because we are against the other one—usually because we find "our guy" a less than optimal choice but "the other guy" strongly repellent. But when we conclude that both of them are wholly unfit for office, our habitual partisan commitments, and our fond hope that the one representing "our side" will be normal, or guided by normal people, do not compel us to cast a vote in that direction. What we must consider, I argued, is not our role in the outcome of the election (which is negligible, and unknown to us when voting), but the effect on our conscience and character of joining our will to a bad cause. . . .
And here we are in 2024, with the same choice again. Only this time the overwhelming majority of voters have already voted at least once—successfully!—for these feckless men. That means the emotional investment of many voters in both Trump and Biden is very high, since each has a term as president to be defended—which ain't easy to do in either case. Trump's signature qualities were incompetence and recklessness, constrained to positive effect only by Congress, the courts, and many of his own appointees. Then he did his utmost, up until the evening of January 6, to steal the election from Joe Biden. A second term for Trump would be a four-year master class in indecency and mendacity, strongly inflected by an urge to authoritarianism that may sorely test our civic institutions. . . .
A vote for Biden would be contrary to an adult lifetime of conservatism. But I could write that sentence again almost verbatim, only substituting "Trump" for "Biden." For a conservative like me, who has refused twice to vote for Trump, it is not that hard to refuse a third time. (What's disappointing is the number of people I know who will vote for him a third time, despite everything.)
If you think you might be a "double hater" (in Ramesh Ponnuru's phrase), the whole thing is worth a read.
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How about a link to it, then?
A search turned up links to the article on Yahoo and AOL.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/choosing-not-choose-064300028.html
https://www.aol.com/news/choosing-not-choose-064300851.html
Seems a very easy attitude for someone living in a state where the outcome is pretty much foreordained, but a bit harder where your vote for the (very slightly) lesser of two evils might make a difference. It's like the difference between the zombie chewing on your leg, and the one eating your crotch. Sure, both are bad, but you have a definite priority in which you're gonna deal with first.
There is a zero percent chance of your vote making a difference, regardless of what state you live in. That is to say, if your vote specifically was lost or recorded as being for the other candidate, you would never even notice.
There is going to be some rare case where the difference is tiny & one in a blue moon, you hear about even a single vote mattering.
However, overall, it's not going to be one person. There will be states and races with a very narrow margin. A general promotion of not voting or voting for third party is quite possibly going to affect those races.
Not so, I live in Alaska and was here when Ted Stevens was up for reelection after being convicted. I specifically voted for the other guy because of the convictions. The margin was about 4k votes out of 300k total. The post-election polling said those convictions very much made the difference.
Did you vote 4,000 times?
If not, then it was safe to vote your conscious rather than succumb to some version of the trolley problem.
I don't believe I suggested that a candidate's criminal convictions can have an effect on an election. I said that your vote wouldn't, and didn't. (Not that I expect Trump's convictions vel non to have much effect this time, and certainly not in Alaska!)
That is one of the, perhaps few, advantages of living in a deep red or deep blue state.
Living in such a state, I can, with a completely clear conscious, cast my vote for President based solely on principle.
What I often do is cast my vote for a third party candidate. I do this primarily to signal (however weakly) to the two major parties which direction they would have to move to gain my vote - i.e., I won't just vote (D) or (R) out of habit.
The simple fact is that there is no "conservative" political party in the US now. Trumpism has abandoned all the conservative principles (with the exception of wealth redistribution via the tax code) in favor of whatever a) enriches the Trump org and b) annoys the libs.
Strong foreign policy, rule of law, getting the government out of our private business, deficit reduction, So, what's a conservative to do?
Well, if Biden is re-elected we'll see more four years of what we have now followed by a chance to vote for someone else. If Trump is elected he will never leave office until he dies and is replaced by one of his sons. (You can be assured that there's no chance that his VP choice will act like Pence on Jan 6th) So, it's more like a choice between four years and life. Should be an easy one.
Too pure for this world. Which means ceding control to the impure.
He’s not refusing to choose between Bonhoeffer and Hitler out of a concern for Bonhoeffer’s impurities.
He’s refusing to choose between Trump and Biden. Quite a different thing.
The voting booth is the wrong place to try to signal a sense of one's virtue, to one's self.
Try and look beyond the personalities; as for me, I go for whichever of the admittedly poor choices causes me and the things I care about the least amount of harm.
In 2016 I found myself in a similar frame of mind until Hillary uttered her "Basket of Deplorables" comment. That moved the needle and led me to vote, reluctantly, for Trump.
She said half of Trump supporters were deplorable, decrying the fact that Trump was catering to the basest among us and in particular she was referring to a poll which showed that half of Trump supporters believed that black people were mentally inferior. I'd call that "deplorable", wouldn't you?
I don't believe such a poll exists, that anyone would commission such a poll, or that you actually believe such a poll exists. If you can produce a link to it, I will apologize profusely.
While I'm sure her "deplorables" line tested through the roof with her focus group in the Hamptons, it did not play well with most Americans, and began an unfortunate trend that Biden has sadly continued. While it is expected for candidates to savage each other, they never attacked the candidate's supporters, much less 30+ million of them. Hillary Clinton is a nasty, vile individual, most of the country has always realized it, and she was probably one of very few Democrats that Trump would have defeated. Heck, I probably would have voted for a decent Democrat over Trump.
It certainly tested well with African-Americans.
"Clinton also criticized Trump for choosing Steve Bannon as his chief executive officer, especially given Bannon's role as the executive chair of the far-right news website Breitbart News.[6] Clinton read various headlines from the site, including "Would You Rather Your Child Had Feminism or Cancer?" and "Hoist It High and Proud: The Confederate Flag Proclaims a Glorious Heritage".[7] On that same day, Clinton posted a video on Twitter depicting white supremacists supporting Donald Trump. Within the video is a CNN interview wherein Trump initially declined to disavow white nationalist David Duke.[6]"
I'd call those deplorable attitudes, wouldn't you?
“Hillary Clinton is a nasty, vile individual.” Citation to facts needed.
While she won the African-American vote, as Democrats have been doing for nearly a century, she did worse with them than any Democrat in decades.
Divisiveness plays well with partisan extremists, but it does not play well with the broad center. Perhaps if she had avoided it, she would have won.
Are you saying Trump won by avoiding divisiveness?
It’s just another clinger flailing.
Amazing that “45” got the highest % of Afro-Amurican vote by any Repubiclown since Milhouse Nixon in 1960 when only Republican Blacks got to vote (Jackie Robinson endorsed Tricky) Of course according to Sleepy Joe, they’re not black
Frank
I certainly wouldn't call it "a poll which showed that half of Trump supporters believed that black people were mentally inferior"!
Are you still contending that Clinton was referring to such a poll?
I can't find it now but I might be thinking of these results
https://www.vox.com/2016/9/12/12882796/trump-supporters-racist-deplorables
And your citation to facts ?
Citation: US Marines serving on Marine One referred to their helicopter as "Broomstick One" whenever Hillary was on it.
If you seriously need a citation to establish that the woman is nasty, mean, and vile, then none would suffice to satisfy you.
Just ONE would do. You haven't cited any except the fact that some US Marines are misogynist.
“Dear Penthouse, I never thought this would happen to me…”
Come on now! Most Penthouse letters were much more believable than Scooter....
'I voted Trump because Hillary said something mean about a group I decided included me.'
Either you were looking for an excuse, or you are lying.
This is how you do vote suppression. Make not voting sound reasonable. Make not voting sound like you’re principled! And leave out the part about how low turnout favors your party’s candidate.
I thought this sort of subtlety had all but gone out of our culture. Keep the faith Professor!
You can vote third party.
Or vote for contests other than President.
Better than not voting is writing in a vote.
Hakeem Jeffries FTW
NOTA (None Of The Above)
In Virginia, they just don’t count those.
That should be unconstitutional! They do count in NY
In Massachusetts my vote doesn't matter. I could vote for Trump to troll the liberals. Probably not.
That’s what you get for living in Roosha, my bad, Roosha has more competitive erections than MA
Could be worse. You could be like me stuck in PA where I keep hearing the fate of the civilized world hangs in the balance of my vote.
Really not looking forward to the next few months
I've gotta admit, I was initially disappointed, but not surprised when Fetterman won. Lately, however, he's begun to grow on me. Kinda sad I don't live in PA. I did visit once, a few years ago, when my daughter went to her Chemistry Fraternity conclave at Duquesne.
When he switches to Repubiclown or Independent he’ll be perfect. He should go to Israel, would do wonders for his Depression, takes a lot for the Drack-man to change his mind
Frank
Fetterman is the first person I have seen to have a stroke and emerge from it far more lucid than before. It's like his brain has been rebooted.
You don’t know what you are trying to talk about. Have you ever been in a room with John?
Trump has run a multi-billion-dollar company for decades, but effete, sanctimonious snob who's never done a real day's work in his life declares him "incompetent". He hated the cut of Trump's jib in 2016 and still does, though he has convinced himself this is lofty principle.
People who are struggling to pay their rent and their grocery bills don't have the luxury of a cozy sinecure at a faux conservative rag funded by a left-wing billionaire to fall back on. But don't worry, no matter who wins the 2024 election, you can take comfort in the knowledge that Matthew J. Franck will be okay.
Trump has run a multi-billion-dollar company for decades,
So did John Gotti.
Both personal idols of mine
Oh, look, everybody, it's Daniel Webster reborn. Normally, one has to go to Reddit for such incisive commentary.
Don’t hate me because I’m cogent, we can’t all be geniuses
You’re a Trump fan, you bigoted right-wing write-off. Because of his inherited life, his character, his judgment, and record?
Enjoy your preparations for failure in the culture war, culminating in replacement.
Trump's imagined business genius is mostly inherited wealth, a self-promoted myth, tax evasion, stiffing creditors, and serial bankruptcies.
How many bankruptcy filings in that time?
"A vote for Biden would be contrary to an adult lifetime of conservatism."
Biden supports the rule of law, religious belief, basic human decency, and other conservative values.
And unicorns, fairies and elves.
Hey, if that's you attitude to conservative values...
I am not sure why believing in those is any more ridiculous than believing in God and a resurrection.
“Biden supports the rule of law”
Except when his actions are declared unconstitutional.
Or prosecuting his political opponent!
"Vote as if your ballot determines nothing whatsoever—except the shape of your own character,"
I am generally sympathetic to what he rights, but not this. My vote does not determine my character. Picking one as the lesser of two evils is not a sign of bad character.
The psychological problem with voting for a lesser of two evils, is that you begin to identify with one of the evils.
Ever since I've started voting third party, it's been much easier to clearly differentiate the good and bad of whomever happens to be in office.
I have no emotional investment.
But by voting third party, I can satisfy my egotistical need to signal my policy preferences.
Human Conscience is the wall between picking the lesser of two evils, and identification with the lesser evil.
And I speak as someone who votes Team L whenever possible. In NJ, there isn't much beyond Team D; it is the bluest of blue states.
My vote does not determine my character. Picking one as the lesser of two evils is not a sign of bad character.
Correct.
Franck:
Trump’s signature qualities were incompetence and recklessness, constrained to positive effect only by Congress, the courts, and many of his own appointees. Then he did his utmost, up until the evening of January 6, to steal the election from Joe Biden. A second term for Trump would be a four-year master class in indecency and mendacity, strongly inflected by an urge to authoritarianism that may sorely test our civic institutions. . . .
A vote for Biden would be contrary to an adult lifetime of conservatism.
So let’s see. Trump is all those awful things, but Biden might implement some policies I dislike, if Congress and the Court let him.
Franck, rather strangely, weighs these characteristics as equally evil. And to his sentence criticizing Biden he adds
But I could write that sentence again almost verbatim, only substituting “Trump” for “Biden.”
So with Biden you get X, and with Trump you get X plus all the other Trump baggage.
Per Franck Trump too will implement policies Franck dislikes. Plus we get the extras he mentions: incompetence and recklessness, plus “a four-year master class in indecency and mendacity, strongly inflected by an urge to authoritarianism that may sorely test our civic institutions. ”
Franck needs to buy a better scale.
This analysis would be crucial if you were the deciding vote.
But you aren't, so you're free to vote for someone who doesn't obviously suck.
bernard11,
This reminds me of
https://www.facebook.com/LateNightSeth/videos/whats-the-difference-between-trump-and-clinton-anyway-httpsyoutube9v97xh6bof0/752515804899101/
The counter to this is that Trump's incompetence, recklessness, and self-centeredness may prove to be to the country's long-term benefit.
Trump is unlikely to make any long-term changes in the trajectory of American policy. He's unwilling or unable to do the hard work of assembling Congressional majorities, preferring the easy route of executive orders and liberal-annoying tweets. Most of what he accomplishes in his term can and will be unwound by the next Democrat to occupy the Oval Office.
By contrast, Biden's a veteran of Congress. He can and will work hard to promote progressive policies, much of which will take the form of entitlement programs that will never, never be undone. And should he be carried off to the bosom of Abraham before his term's done, Harris will be amply willing to take up the progressive torch.
If Trump's elected, we're in for an unpleasant four years, but much of the evil that he does will be interred with his bones. On the other hand, a second Biden term will advance progressive policies that will continue to plague this country for decades to come.
Trump can pull out of NATO. He already pulled out of a hard-won Paris accord and a hard-won Iran nuclear deal. The damage has been done: America does not keep its promises. Not to mention the damage done when Trump lets Russia roll over Ukraine and set its sights on Poland etc.
This is the type of long-term damage Trump apologists ignore or don't understand.
You can't get credibility back very easily if you squander it so frivolously as Trump has. He has had the advantage of a large inheritance, being a relatively small fish in a humongous pond (new suckers every day type thing), and the benefit of bankruptcy law. He could play as if he wasn't a repeat player. That's how he conducts U.S. foreign policy.
But the U.S. is a repeat player over generations. Walking away from deals that were hard to get has consequences, regardless of whether you would have entered the deal in the first place. It makes every subsequent deal harder to get and more expensive for the U.S. because Trump has revealed that it is more likely we will renege.
He is undermining our credibility as a reliable ally (thus likely emboldening China) by questioning the usefulness of NATO and otherwise signaling that he prefers Russia to Ukraine. This sort of thing is far more important than a 1000 DEI mandates (or insert your favorite culture-war nightmare). Policies can be changed with a new Congress/President. National credibility once lost might never be recovered and the consequences of losing it are dire.
People are complacent because we won WW2 and we won the Cold War. Neither was foreordained and we ought not elect someone who, by capitulating to Putin and alternately antagonizing and appeasing China, will make it less likely we win the next showdown between freedom and authoritarianism.
(And that's setting aside his "dictator on Day One" fantasies about bringing authoritarianism directly here and his other efforts to corrode our system from within via "Stop the Steal" and trashing our judicial system every chance he gets.)
I went through a similar exercise in 2016 to figure out who to vote for.
I finally came down to voting for Trump, but not because I thought he was acceptable, my rationale was if I was going to cast a protest vote then I might as well vote for the protest candidate. Of course I was a Washington voter at the time, so it hardly mattered.
And I didn't actually vote in 2020, I hadn't moved to AZ yet, and I was temporarily in California, and I didn't want to register there.
Disaffected misfit votes as an antisocial malcontent. This is noteworthy?
I guess I end up in the same place as Franck, but I’m not sure I can muster the same degree of sanctimoniousness. It’s not about investing oneself in one candidate – what sane, disinterested American does that? – but about voting for the least gross of the available candidates. And this year, the third-party options are less gross than the (eww) major-party options.
“A second term for Trump would be a four-year master class in indecency and mendacity, strongly inflected by an urge to authoritarianism that may sorely test our civic institutions. ”
He’s described *most* (not all) of the Presidents of the past century. For precisely that reason, most of the Presidents of the past century were not worth voting for, and their opponents were no better.
100 years ago it was Coolidge v. Davis, which of course was the Most Important Election of Anyone’s Lifetime. Nonetheless, H. L. Mencken endorsed (IIRC) the progressive candidate, not because Mencken was progressive, but because the progressive at least had some integrity.
I pay a bit more attention to issues, but I’m less invested in the issues this year now that Biden and Trump are running as pro-abortion candidates (with Trump being the less honest candidate, since he cloaks his proabortion position in terms of a Grand Compromise, while the more honest Biden simply says abortion is awesome).
In answer to the Kantian question “what if everyone did as you did”?, I’d say that it would be a contest among the less-gross third-party candidates, instead of Tweedledum and Tweedledee.
The logical extension of this argument is that you should basically never vote for one of the two major party nominees. How likely is it that one of them happens to actually be your top choice for president? If you’re determined to always vote your own conscience, then your vote will pretty much never matter.
The whole reason we have parties and primaries and things is to reduce the candidate set down to where the choice is limited. Otherwise, some random bozo would be president with 1.5% of the vote.
"The logical extension of this argument is that you should basically never vote for one of the two major party nominees."
“Human sacrifice! Dogs and cats living together! Mass hysteria!”
Seriously, Franck's argument only applies if both major-party candidates are truly horrible, and that would be very rare. /sarc
We do live in rare times. /snick
That's right, this is an argument against our whole two-party. If you feel that way, do not vote.
"If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice." - Neil Peart
You are choosing to stand on the mountaintop and shout to the world, "I DON'T MATTER!" Congratulations.
Tweedledum and Tweedledee
Agreed to have a battle;
For Tweedledum said Tweedledee
Had spoiled his nice new rattle.
Just then flew down a monstrous crow,
As black as a tar-barrel;
Which frightened both the heroes so,
They quite forgot their quarrel.
(I'll vote for Monstrous Crow)
Am I supposed to know who Matthew J. Franck is or cares what he thinks?
The excerpt could have been written by Somin.
Note: Not a compliment.
(I agree that an individual vote has probability 0 of making a difference and don't care if a person votes or not)
One of the reasons why the never-Trumpers get so much flak is that they typically motivate voting as being the following choice: "If you vote for Trump, the end of the Republic is at hand, god save our souls. If you vote for Biden, he's a liberal. That's why I'm not going to vote / will vote for Egg McMuffin / will vote for Mitt Romney / will vote for Cindy McCain".
Everyone of every political stripe has lived through Republican administrations and Democratic administrations. Everyone has had people they like win and people they don't like win. If you think one guy is going to end the Republic, that's not the same thing as a guy you don't like winning.
If the position was instead "I don't like either of these guys and I think they'd be the same degree of bad" or "I also think Biden will end the Republic", then fine -- that's at least consistent and coherent even if people think you're wrong. But if you outwardly think Trump will lead to the end of American institutions and Biden is a replacement grade liberal, then drawing an equivalence there makes no sense.
There is no substance to this essay. The main criticism of Trump is to say: "Trump would not know a conservative principle if it kicked him in the shins."
That comment might be excusable in 2016, but now Trump has a track record. Not bothering to evaluate it is just lazy and stupid.
Indeed he does. Which confirms the original conclusion from 2016. There is nothing even a tiny bit conservative about Donald Trump. (The fact that he has no principles of any sort makes that hard to deny.)
Trump's Presidency was a lot better than Biden's.
You just moved the goalposts. Did you even notice?
I find Rush persuasive on this issue: “If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice.”
And I don’t find voting for the lesser evil while still remembering that they’re evil even a tiny bit hard. I've been doing it all my adult life.
(Waiting on breakfast at the dive shop. They have WiFi.)
I'm torn on Franck's position. On the one hand, it's quite appealing to say, "These guys both suck; I don't want to sully myself by supporting either of them. I want to vote my conscience." On the other, voting isn't about you; it's about the country (at least for the presidency).
Fortunately on a personal level I never have to face this choice, because I live in a solid blue state, so my vote has no chance of changing the outcome.
Same here = Fortunately on a personal level I never have to face this choice, because I live in a solid blue state, so my vote has no chance of changing the outcome
He’s not a conservative, at least a thinking one, nor one in a sense that any of the rest of use should care about. Both candidates have track records, and an actual thinking person could evaluate those track records for their impacts on our country and our individual and collective lives. But he’s too dogmatic and pure for that. Reality, shmeality. Liberty, shmiberty. Economy, shmeconomy. No, what matters is that he doesn’t sully his brain with any of the dirty actual nuance of the world that human beings inhabit.
Look. I don't like either candidate. Trump's policies aren't exactly novel or out of line, but he reveled in so much drama that nothing got done. On the other hand, Biden has done effectively everything that they claimed Trump would do. Including taking bribes, arresting journalists, jailing political opponents, and molesting his own daughter (something so oddly specific I admit I was shocked actually turned out to be true).
However, there's one thing significantly different about them. The establishment will lie, cheat and steal to protect Biden. Trump can't get away with nothing.
I trust Washington with Trump. I can't trust Washington with Biden.
Shorter Ben: Biden sucks because of things I made up entirely in my head.
Are you saying that the laptop scandal did not happen?
Are you saying that the Ashley Biden diary, which stated Biden forced his daughter to shower with him did exist and was confirmed in court to be real, doesn't exist?
Are you pretending that the Project Veritas raid to take said diary didn't happen and people are not in jail right now for attempting to have it published?
And are you pretending that the number one news story on the planet today didn't happen and wasn't explicitly orchestrated by the DNC?
Of course “your vote matters”; every vote matters. It’s the only thing that gets counted. Your vote is a necessary, but not sufficient, condition for your policies of choice being implemented.
You should always vote “for” a candidate and not “against” — provided you have someone to vote for. In the case of having no one to vote for, then a vote against is optimal. Your vote will help do the least harm (as you see it.)
In this election, we do have RJK, Jr. to consider. There is much to admire in his views, he speaks like a thinking person ought to speak, he is clearly able to consider other points of view.
Why doesn't he just do what he did in 2020?