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UCLA Professor Dov Waxman on the Pro-Hamas Campus Protests
I don't know Dov Waxman, professor of Israel Studies at UCLA, except by reputation. And his reputation is of being ideologically on the left, hostile to Israel and sympathetic to the Palestinian cause, and as someone who downplays the prevalence of antisemitism among "antizionists."
Therefore, I found a recent tweet of his explaining why he won't support the "encampment" at UCLA of special interest:
I cannot join this protest because it is not just a protest against the war in Gaza. Among the demands of the protest organizers is the demand to "sever all UC-wide connections to Israeli universities, including study abroad programs, fellowships, seminars, and research collaborations, and UCLA's Nazarian Center." Needless to say, I oppose the demand to boycott the Nazarian Center, which I direct. The Center is devoted to the academic study of Israel and has no ties to the Israeli government. I also oppose boycotting Israeli academic institutions and academic boycotts in general.
But it isn't only the demands of the [UCLA] protest organizers that I have a problem with. One of the organizations behind the protest, Students for Justice in Palestine, has expressed support for Hamas and has even celebrated the massacre of Israelis on October 7. [David notes: This is true of both the national organization and individual campus SJPs.] Being in solidarity with Palestinians does not necessitate supporting Hamas. On the contrary, Hamas oppresses Palestinians and has no concern for the lives of Palestinian civilians in Gaza. They have openly stated that they are willing to sacrifice countless Palestinian lives—"martyrs"—for their cause, which is the ultimate eradication of Israel. They have spent billions building a vast underground network to protect themselves and their weaponry, but they haven't built a single bomb shelter for Gazan civilians or sheltered them in their tunnels. They are prolonging the devastating war in Gaza, and the humanitarian crisis there, in order to maintain their power and authoritarian rule in Gaza.
I know that many people in the pro-Palestinian movement don't support Hamas and don't praise the October 7 massacre, but groups like SJP lead the movement on many college campuses, exploiting the sympathy that many students rightly feel for the suffering of Palestinians. Students and faculty demonstrating in support of Palestinians shouldn't ignore the fact that the organizers of these demonstrations are, in many cases, ideologically committed to eradicating Israel and expelling Israeli Jews, supportive of violence against Israeli civilians, and willing to ignore or even justify Hamas' strategy of sacrificing Palestinian civilians for their political ends.
I would add two points to Waxman's post. First, SJP is the leading group behind the protests on the vast majority of campuses. SJP, as Waxman noted, is pro-Hamas. This makes the protests effectively pro-Hamas, just like a protest organized by the KKK against affirmative action would be racist, regardless of the intent of individual protesters. And two of the other main groups involved in organizing the protests, Within our Lifetimes and (the wildly misnamed) Jewish Voice for Peace are also pro-Hamas. If student protestors don't want to their reputations to be soiled with the inference that they are at least indifferent to if not supportive of Hamas's genocidal aims and behavior, they should form protest organizations that disclaim support for Hamas. Otherwise, they are in "there are some very fine people at the protests" territory.
Second, as I noted repeatedly on X, while there are certainly pro-Palestinian individuals, there is no pro-Palestinian movement. There is a hate Israel movement that brings together people of various ideologies who hate Israel for different reasons--Palestininan nationalism, pan-Arab nationalism, radical Islamism, anti-colonialism, antisemitism, among others--and that facilitates solidarity among groups that might otherwise be at each other's throats, like radical Islamists and radical secular leftists, among many other strange bedfellows. The Palestinians are a prop for this Israel-hatred. When "the movement" has the choice between supporting something that would benefit both Israelis and Palestinians, or something that would harm both, it will always choose the latter. Pro-Palestinian individuals have had a golden opportunity since Oct. 7 to form organizations that support Palestinian rights but explicitly reject Hamas and the violent destruction of Israel. But they so far haven't taken it.
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How many racial slurs must one person or one blog publish before it is reasonable to wonder about motivation (bigotry)?
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Carry on, clingers.
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Let us set up the style guide:
Just like journalists always add "(formerly Twitter)" to any mention of X, add "(a designated terrorist organization)" to any mention of Hamas.
Let there be no doubt, "protests for Hamas" are demonstrations in support of terrorism.
“(a [self avowed] terrorist organization)”
But of course as Columbia's President once said "Terrorism is a.form of protesting".
https://twitter.com/BrentScher/status/1782522243978789237
From https://www.state.gov/foreign-terrorist-organizations/
Designated Foreign Terrorist Organizations
October 8, 1997 HAMAS
David – the interesting thing about your hasbara is that you’re too bright and self-aware to feel comfortable just lying to your audience. So, when you engage in this kind of extremely tortured reasoning, tenuously linking every single pro-Palestinian protest to a claim about the national SJP organization that you don’t bother to demonstrate factually, you can’t help but let a few hedge words back in, like “effectively pro-Hamas,” and to try to link the argument together with motives that are imputed-if-not-rebutted.
As such, it’s hard to read something like this and not just laugh to oneself over how pathetic you are. You know you’re lying to us. But you have too much respect for your intellectual reputation to do it the way that Tucker Carlson would. So you just end up be-clowning yourself.
You should study how Josh and Steve-O do it. Totally unapologetic and oblivious to the farce they’re performing.
The ‘Its Just about Zionist aggression!’ canard is debunked right in their ‘From the River to the Sea’ catchphrase. Its frankly amazing how stupid and gullible you guys think people are.
Reminds me when I watched you guys explain how ‘All cops are bastards’ was really a nuanced statement that didn’t really mean all cops were bad.
It's not some secret code. Most of the Americana protesters who invoke the "river to the sea" rhetoric are talking about a multiethnic democracy where Palestinians and Israelis, Jews and Muslims, can live alongside one another freely and in peace. Claiming to have divined what they really mean by that phrase, by citing its usage by someone else, is just so transparently stupid, and silly, as to be tiresome at this point.
Without even getting into the examples where the Israeli government has invoked exactly the same kind of idea. When they do it, they are talking about the ethnic cleansing of the occupied territories, unlike American protesters.
>It’s not some secret code
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You're right that its not a secret that they want to extinguish Israel. Except when you think you can gaslight ordinary people.
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Israeli government has invoked exactly the same kind of idea. When they do it,
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You do realize saying zionists used the term to invoke territorialism actually counters your overall argument?
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>rhetoric are talking about a multiethnic democracy where Palestinians and Israelis, Jews and Muslims, can live alongside one another freely and in peace.
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"from the river to the sea Palestine"
Sure sounds like a multiethnic and peaceful compromisy name between israelis and palestinians to me!
No doubt lots of the people at Ole Miss etc. protesting the illegal occupation of their schools were just protesting the abstract constitutional principle of federal non-interference in state matters. No doubt many of them were fully intending a multiethnic, democratic South, just one without federal medling.
The question is, what does the leadership of these protests intend? Professor Bernstein is right on this point. You can’t whitewash a Klan rally by saying lots of the people there don’t support the full Klan agenda, in fact they’re are really nice people. Same here.
I find it amazing the identical people scandalized by Charlottesville approve demonstrations far more openly racist.
The Charlottesville demonstration was 100% openly racist. It was a white supremacist rally ostensibly organized around the issue of protecting the statue of a white supremacist traitor. One need not whitewash (pun intended!) that event to condemn these people today.
The current protests are markedly worse.
Charlottesville's idiots were not calling for the death of millions of Jews.
What is your interpretation of "Jews will not replace us" and "blood and soil," you bigoted right-wing stain?
There’s already a “Multiethnic Democracy where Palestinians and Israelis, Jews and Muslims can live alongside one another freely and in Peace”
It’s called “Israel”
Frank
. Most of the Americana protesters who invoke the “river to the sea” rhetoric are talking about a multiethnic democracy where Palestinians and Israelis, Jews and Muslims, can live alongside one another freely and in peace.
They may think that's what they're talking about, but that is as naive as a 1930s German approving of "resettlement to the East" for Jews and Roma.
What has happened to Jewish citizenry in Arab Muslim counties? Did they live "freely and in peace"?
FWIW I don't think many of the protestors know enough to be aware of what a multi-ethnic state might actually lead to, and judging by the responses to the 10/7 pogrom, I don't believe they care. If millions of Israelis Jews were to end up being slaughtered, they would think it regrettable but would shrug their shoulders. Because we're Jews, not an oppressed minority.
I'm with SRG2.
The notion that everyone is going to join hands and sing Kumbaya, is foolish at best, and more likely suicidal for the Israelis.
I agree with SRG2 here. The conclusion as well.
Ditto.
Most of the Americana protesters who invoke the “river to the sea” rhetoric are talking about a multiethnic democracy where Palestinians and Israelis, Jews and Muslims, can live alongside one another freely and in peace.
As Mr. Hemingway wrote, "Wouldn't it be nice to think so."
I don't know who "Americana protestors" refers to. I looked at the SJP web site and saw a lot of BS about "Turtle Island," but very little about their hoped for schemes for the Middle East, and to the extent there were some I'd say I'm dubious of their practicality, to say the least.
"Most of the Americana protesters who invoke the “river to the sea” rhetoric are talking about a multiethnic democracy where Palestinians and Israelis, Jews and Muslims, can live alongside one another freely and in peace."
I cannot determine if you're an imbecile or just entirely dishonest.
If they do not know WHAT THEY ARE CHANTING, that is on them.
Sure it is, but since the major defence the pro-war right has is that the anti-war are anti-semitic, it hardly matters, does it? You'd be claiming it no matter what they chanted.
Its frankly amazing how stupid and gullible you guys think people are.
The truly gullible and stupid always make the mistake of assuming that everyone else possesses those same defects to the same degree that they do.
"hasbara "
Simon learned a new word! {I saw it in the MIT thread too]
Wily Jews use hasbara, don't just have opinions. Lying Jews!
It's a term that Israel uses quite openly, and unapologetically, to describe the spreading of propaganda by multiple aligned actors to further Israeli interests. The sudden, and extreme, efforts we've seen in recent days to smear the campus protests needs to be understood as consistent with Israel's longstanding efforts to influence American public opinion.
Is there some reason that the term doesn't apply here, or a reason why I can't invoke it? Or are you, like David, just trying to jump straight to accusing me of antisemitism?
I wasn't familiar with that term, is it like Taqiyya?
No, taqiyya is more like what Republicans are doing, when you ask them for their views on abortion or Trump.
Or Democrats on "Maintaining norms are vital" or how "purely political prosecutions are bad".
It’s just Hebrew for “explain.”
It’s like “fluoridation” or “vaccine” or “integration.” If they use a foreign-sounding word, that’s certain proof that it’s all a dark conspiracy, and the words really have an evil, sinister meaning.
It’s like how everyone knew that Dr. Fauci was using the COVID/Vaccination hoax as an excuse to plant microchips in everyone and control them. He used these big, fancy words. Same here.
Oddly, it's a word that originated in Islam, an accepted reality by all branches of Islam. Derived from Arabic words specifically. Not really any history in Hebrew.
But I bet you know way better.
Is Prof. Bernstein Israel?
“hasbara” – as Israelis have traditionally called it
Spend at least five minutes educating yourself before snarking, Chip.
Well, I for one am swallowing it hook line and sinker, but it wasn't Bernstein who convinced me, I can see for myself:
"Nicholas Baum, a 19-year-old Jewish freshman who lives in a Jewish theological seminary building two blocks from Columbia’s campus, said protesters over the weekend were “calling for Hamas to blow away Tel Aviv and Israel.”
https://apnews.com/article/columbia-yale-israel-palestinians-protests-56c3d9d0a278c15ed8e4132a75ea9599
And that's hardly a one off occurrence.
I, for one, do not take as true dubious and untrustworthy statements just because they affirm what I'd like to believe.
https://m.facebook.com/reel/1633294714164510/
Deepfake?
I guess you never can tell these days.
So you're dropping the original claim, to pursue one where you have actual, direct evidence?
Given the number of agents provocateurs that have been identified at or just outside the encampments, I am skeptical of any well-circulated video offered by a right-wing domestic terrorist-wannabe to demonstrate the sympathies of the protesters. But let it suffice to say that I don't align myself with anyone calling for further deaths of Israeli or Palestinian civilians.
Come now, the student is making the claim based on his own eye witness account, I believe him.
The video documents someone in the same general area making very similar statements, lending credence that the student, who identified himself and his connection to the area, didn't need.
Have we reached the point where every statement needs video evidence to be corroborated? (although I admit it would help in Biden's Uncle Bosie claim).
I dunno Kaz, do we really want video evidence of cannibals from New Guinea eating Uncle Bosie? 😉
It might help our diplomatic relations with New Guinea a bit, I suppose, if we could prove that our President wasn't just casually slandering them.
When it happened, I just shook my head. Just thinking about it: That a cognitively challenged POTUS said this on national TV, the absolutely fantastical lie about cannibalism is mind blowing.
The truth is stranger than fiction; that aphorism has never been more true than now.
That he seems incapable of any semblance of honesty regarding his biography is a bit disconcerting. He lies about everything in his past.
Trump voters reacting more in sorrow than anger to 'lies.' Never gets old.
Most of them don't know which river and which sea they are even referring to. But for those who do, to the extent your right, it just shows some combination of extreme naivete and complete lack of knowledge of the history of both the specific conflict and the region itself. Not surprisingly, when you do run into such people, they actually believe the propaganda that Jews and Muslims lived in peace and harmony in Muslim lands until the Zionists came along.
"that Jews and Muslims lived in peace and harmony in Muslim lands until the Zionists came along."
Relative to the way that they lived after the Nazis came along, you could argue that they did. Prior to the Nazis, the Muslims were largely content to just make life hell for people of other religions. After the Nazis, they were determined to just kill them outright.
And at this point are pretty much done, it's worth noting. Hitler would be proud of them.
It was Jewish immigration, not Hitler, that prompted the 1936 Arab Revolt. A contributing factor is the decline and fall of the Ottoman Empire. There was a time, over 500 years ago now, when the Sultan welcomed Jews into a multicultural empire. By the end of the 19th century the empire was weak and its rulers not so tolerant.
"Relative to the way that they lived after the Nazis came along, you could argue that they did. Prior to the Nazis, the Muslims were largely content to just make life hell for people of other religions. After the Nazis, they were determined to just kill them outright."
I'd argue that they seem a lot like antebellum Southerners complaining about how Northerners ruined the good relations between them and their slaves.
“Arabs were not as bad as Nazis in their treatment of Jews” isn’t really much of an endorsement.
No, it’s not, but it’s worth remembering that it was white western Christians who were responsible for the worst atrocity, the ones now cheering on the current conflict and urging for escalation and smearing all Arabs with a Future Crime as justification for their slaughter.
Then again there are the ones who support the killing because it's hastening the End Times, and all the Jews who don't convert will be hustled off to Palestine to die in the Final Conflict.
October 7th was all I need to know
Same here.
Are you prepared to have Israel judged by the words and conduct of Ben-Givr (or a few other prominent members of the Israeli government)?
Hamas controls the Gaza strip. They were elected to do so.
And before you say "that doesn't mean Palestinians still support them" - I have seen several intifadas against the Israeli government. Violent protests, kids slingshotting rocks at Israeli police. I have never seen Palestinians protest this way against Hamas.
Simon not really doing much to dispel the accusation that he's an anti-semite.
"Nazarian Center, which I direct."
Classic.
When I supported the leopards, I didn't think they'd try to eat my face.
Bari Weiss cites her friend who likes to joke that the only thing worse than a dumb Jew is a surprised Jew.
Bari Weiss, eternal victim and misfit -- a patron saint to useless misfits.
So she's not a predator like you?
"There is no pro-Vietnamese movement, there is just a Hate America movement that brings together people of various ideologies that hate America-communists, civil rights agitators, radical feminists, hippies, among others. The Vietnamese are just a prop for this America hate. When the 'movement has a choice between supporting something that would benefit both Americans and the Vietnamese (like supporting the Diem governments efforts), or something that would harm both, it will always choose the latter."
The classics are always the best.
As a former anti-Vietnam War protester, and a lottery winner (my number was enough I was not drafted), I have to say that wasn't wrong on the wide fringes of the movement. But of course the core was always "Anti-war that I might have to go fight in."
Chanting Ho Ho Ho Chi Minh, was not calling for Democracy. Which Vietnam still doesn't have, but they are hardly alone in that region.
If Hubert Humpty Hump had won in 68” we’d still be fighting there
I don’t think Hamas’ ultimate goal is expulsion. It’s not like the Islamic State, their model regime, expelled the Yazidis.
Well, no, it's not expulsion, in the sense that "expulsion" implies that the Jews get to live.
'We May Never Know Exactly What Hamas Wants,' Says Reporter In Front Of Hamas Holding 'Exterminate Jews From Existence' Banner
Hamas is fighting for the right of self determination for Palestinian children yet unborn. So they will have an actual future, as opposed to a dead-end life in the largest concentration camp in history. If they must bring Israel to its knees to achieve this goal, so be it.
Ehud Barak, when asked by Gideon Levy what he would do if he had been born a Palestinian, said that he would be doing battle against Israel.
If only loved their children a quarter as much as they hate Jews.
Dying don't have much of a future (HT J. Wales)
Obviously Professor Waxman is one the Revolting Reverend’s Bitter Klingers, awaiting “Replacement by his Bettors”
Frank
I refuse to listen to any group that does not call for the release of hostages and the cessation of armed conflict by Hamas. These are non-negotiable. You want an end to the fighting? Fine, then AGREE TO A CEASEFIRE.
Should we listen to anyone who does not call for an immediate end to Israel's war crimes (in Gaza and the West Bank)?
What is the difference, in your judgment? Are some unlawful outrages more equal than others?
Yes, Jerry Sandusky's acts were more outrageous than (former) Idaho Larry Craig's were.
> "Jewish Voice for Peace are also pro-Hamas"
This seems so wildly disingenuous that it calls into question the speaker's good faith. Any examination of the history, advocacy and policies of JVP suggests that it is truly opposed to the ethno-supremacy aspects of Israel, and labeling it "pro-Hamas" is not a fact-based contention.
See, e.g., https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Voice_for_Peace
My understanding is that Jewish voice for peace is a Jewish voice for Peace in much the same way North Korea is a Democratic People’s Republic.
To be sure, they are opposed to various aspects of Israel, such as its very existence.
JVP is pro-Hamas. See, e.g., https://forward.com/news/563870/meet-the-jews-defending-hamas/
It's not always simple to discern the motivations of anti-Israel protesters, but there's one tell that guarantees the person or group in question is motivated by antisemitism: their reaction on October 8, 2023. If the person/group endorsed or excused the 10/7 attack and condemned Israel before Israel had even responded, the person/group is not motivated by humanitarian concerns.
Another reason universities are extremely reluctant to sever ties with Israel: Israel is fantastic in the sciences and collaborates in many fields with USA. Cancelling these collaborations would be like if an American university were to sever ties with all academic institutions based in Germany, or France, – almost unthinkably disruptive.
Israel has been a science-superpower since 1948. The very first President of Israel was a near-Nobel-Prize-level industrial biochemist.
Does Columbia even require Science courses? In High School considered the Ivy League, but not a Poultry Science program in the whole Conference (not even at Yale!) in the SEC I had my pick, of course that whole Out-of-State Tuition Thang pretty much limited me to Auburn, but hey, it was good enough for Bo Jackson and Charles Barkley (had an entire Popeye's Restaurant dedicated to him) it was good enough for me
Frank
It starts (and ends with) with: Hamas is a Judeocidal terror group dedicated the physical destruction of the Jews. Any lingering doubts about this were eliminated with the Simchat Torah pogrom. In the aftermath, Hamas have repeatedly reaffirmed their desire to kill every Jew on the planet.
If you declare yourself in common cause with that, there really isn't very much to discuss.
The students are free to loudly and proudly protest whatever they want. Good men (and women) have died for their right to protest, for any political cause, no matter how unpopular.
TBH, I want these student protestors (throughout the country) to be especially loud and proud, and choose to self-identify*(meaning, loudly and proudly tell us their name)...so that I can voluntarily choose to have no interaction whatsoever with them socially, financially, in the workplace, or in my synagogue.
*What did you think I meant? 🙂
"In the aftermath, Hamas have repeatedly reaffirmed their desire to kill every Jew on the planet."
Every non-Muslim on the planet would be more accurate. That's something a lot of antisemitic idiots don't quite grasp: Hamas isn't, technically speaking, antisemitic. They're anti everybody-but-Muslims. You're not a Muslim? You're on their list, they'll get around to you in time.
Arab controlled Middle East hasn't just been 'cleansed' of Jews in the past 75 years, it's also been 'cleansed' of Christians, too.
I keep telling Arthur, they will definitely kill me first because I am a Jew; but Arthur will be a close second because of his ideology. 😉
Who will Israel kill today?
A woman in the West Bank (for getting between Israel's right-wing belligerents and their nonsense-based religious objectives)?
A bunch of children in Gaza (for relocating to a spot Israel told them to go to for safety)?
A man in an Israeli prison (sent there because he would not let Israeli settlers take his land or property)?
Your one-way lens will cost you dearly. As it should.
'Hamas is a Judeocidal terror group dedicated the physical destruction of the Jews.'
There are always EXCELLENT reason for murdering thousands of children!
'so that I can voluntarily choose to have no interaction whatsoever with them socially, financially, in the workplace, or in my synagogue.'
I expect the feeling is mutual.
Whenever african-Americans attempted to defend themselves, the Klan always accused them of murder. Murder my ass.
Whenever an attacked people defend themselves in modern war, some of the attackers civilians die. It happens in evety modern war. Don’t want your civilians to get killed? Don’t invade another country.
Murder my ass. Like the Klan whose savage-nigger atrocity stories you keep cribbing, youjust don’t negros and Jews to defend themselves. You want to be able to lynch them freely and without cost or consequences.
It starts (and ends with) with: Hamas
No it doesn’t. This is intentional ignorance. The war predates Hamas by like four or five decades.
And what’s changed since then isn’t Hamas so much as that people have begun to realize that a peaceful solution isn’t possible. Neither side wants it. So if one side is inevitably going to genocide the other, does it really matter which? If we go just by population, Palestine wins. That seems like as good of a way to decide between the two as any.
I would have liked Israel to remain viable. Eventually, though, they’re out of chances to make it work.
Well, they didn't leave on time. And, surprise: the deadline wasn't enforced.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1785011874259722543
It is moral cowardice.
There is a hate Israel movement that brings together people of various ideologies who hate Israel for different reasons...
Well... duh. That's how anti-war protests work. If Israel were massacring the Lebanese, the protesters wouldn't just be like "Well ok, that's fine, I'm pro-Palestinian so go ahead and do whatever you want to the Lebanese." Anti-war protests are always against the actor(s) who are perpetrating the war.
You're such a snowflake, David, you can't stand the thought of people being pissed off at Israel. Well, people are pissed off at Israel. And because of people like you and institutions like the ADL, it's rubbing off on Judaism. I guess Jews felt like they weren't seen as sufficiently militant the way Muslims are often depicted, or the Christians from hundreds of years ago. Now you're part of the club. Congratulations!
Shorter Randal: "If black people were just better behaved, I wouldn't have to hate them."
These race analogies you guys keep falling back to are painfully stupid and make you look like genocide apologists.
When there’s a country, say, Blackia, that claims to be the national home for Black people, and the NAACP promotes Blackia as the one nation that Black people are intrinsically connected to, and Blackia is engaged in a war against its neighbor in which tens of thousands of civilians have been killed, and Blackia has been credibly accused of genocide in the ICJ, then your analogy will be appropriate.
You are free at any time to either disclaim your connection to Israel and/or condemn its actions. Until then you’re complicit.
Well, believe it or not, not only were considerably more than tens of thousands of people killed in this war we had in this country called the “civil war,” the defeated Confederates absolutely accused both the occupiers and the Negro population of all kinds of atrocities, and of committing cultural and ethnic genocide against them, seeking to destroy their ethnic identity and way of life.
You’ve consistently been cribbing Klan literature about the supposed horrors of the Yankee war and the supposed brutal atrocities of the Negros.
Don’t want your civilians to die? Don’t start a war by killing and kidnapping over a thousand. Civilians die in any modern war when invaded people defend themselves. It’s just how war is. Don’t like it? Don’t start a war.
Don’t want to be accused of cribbing Klan negro atrocity literature? STOP CRIBBING KLAN NEGRO ATROCITY LITERATURE. It’s really simple.
Tulsa Oklahoma is a good example. The Klan accused the Black population of stealing everything they had. After all, Allah intended Jews to be Muslim’s sercants the same way the Confederate God intended Negros to be Southern whites’ If it’s discovered that Negros or Jews have land or wealth, surely that’s ao unnatural it means they must have stolen it, right?
The Tulsa Massacre propaganda surely said so. And you’re basically telling the same story the Klan told about the members of the Tulsa black community who attempted to defend themselves.
Like the Klan, you’re saying anytime blacks or Jews defend themselves, it’s murder.
After all, if you believe the Klan, the Negro population was indeed credibly accused of genocide. Quite regularly.
Here you go DMN. This is who you get to be on the same side as. Enjoy!
Hamas is fighting for the restoration of the Islamic Caliphate, including enslavement of non-Moslems.
If they were fighting for any “self-determination,” why did they assassinate the leaders of the party the Gazans voted for by throwing them off roofs as part of their 2006 coup? That’s kinda hard to square with the concept of self-determination, isn’t it?