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Special Counsel Jack Smith Responds to Blackman-Tillman
No matter how you slice it, Smith cannot exercise the powers he purports to exercise.
[This post is co-authored with Professor Seth Barrett Tillman.]
Last month, we filed an amicus brief in United States v. Trump (S.D. Fla.), one of two prosecutions brought against former-President Trump by Special Counsel Jack Smith. Our brief argued that Special Counsel Jack Smith is not an "Officer of the United States." At most, his temporary position is characterized as a mere "employee." As a result, this mere "employee" cannot exercise the broad prosecutorial powers of a United States attorney.
Smith filed a response to our amicus brief. Smith argued that the Blackman-Tillman brief is in conflict with an amicus brief filed by Former Attorney General Edwin Meese III, Professors Steve Carabresi and Gary Lawson, and organizations. Smith wrote:
Professor Seth Barrett Tillman and others filed (ECF No. 410-2) an amicus brief ("Tillman Amicus") in support of defendant Donald J. Trump's claim (ECF No. 326 at 1-7) that the Special Counsel lacks the legal authority to prosecute this case. Taking the polar opposite view from Former Attorney General Edwin Meese III and others, who argued in a separate amicus brief ("Meese Amicus") that the Special Counsel is a principal officer under the Constitution, see ECF No. 364-1 at 14-16, the Tillman Amicus's central contention is that the Special Counsel is not an officer at all, but instead an employee who is forbidden from exercising the authority vested in the Special Counsel by law.
A similar claim was made in an amicus brief filed by a group of constitutional lawyers and "state democracy defenders." This cohort includes Professor Laurence Tribe, George Conway, Patrick Fitzgerald, Donald Ayer, and Christine Todd Whitman. The amicus argues that the Blackman-Tillman brief is "inconsistent" with the Meese brief.
Smith, and the amicus brief, are incorrect. The Blackman-Tillman and Meese briefs are in substantial agreement with one another.
The Meese brief argues that for the Special Counsel to exercise the powers he is exercising, the Special Counsel must be a principal officer. However, the Special Counsel is in actuality something else. The Meese brief argues that the Special Counsel is merely an inferior officer. And, the Meese brief contends, that inferior officer cannot hold the powers granted to the Special Counsel.
The Blackman-Tillman brief approaches the same issue from a different perspective. We contend that for the Special Counsel to exercise the powers he is exercising, he must be an officer. And to be an officer, a position must have continuity. However, the Special Counsel is in actuality something else. We argue that the Special Counsel is merely an employee, because his position is not continuous.
The Meese brief, and the Blackman-Tillman brief, agree that Special Counsel Jack Smith is purporting to exercise powers he cannot exercise. Indeed, the Meese brief expressly argues that "The authority exercised by [Smith] as a so-called 'Special Counsel' far exceeds the power exercisable by a mere employee." The Meese brief added, that Smith "is acting as an officer, but aside from specific offices listed in the statutes discussed above, there is no office for him to hold."
The Meese brief argues that, at best, the Special Counsel is an inferior officer. As such, the Special Counsel cannot exercise the powers he purports to exercise. The Blackman-Tillman brief makes an almost identical point. Our position is, at best, the Special Counsel is an employee. If that characterization is correct, and we think it is, then the Special Counsel certainly cannot exercise the powers he purports to exercise.
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This is the part that you forgot to explain in the brief.
Blackman, it must gall you that your name wasn't mentioned once in the response. Anyway, what a peculiar hill to pick to die on. Smith eviscerated you with case law
I’m actually kind of interested in how he signed the amicus as Josh Blackman of “Josh Blackman LLC.” Can a non-professional entity practice law in Texas under TBOC? Unauthorized Practice of Law Committee v. American Home Assurance Co., 261 S.W.3d 24, 33 (Tex. 2008) (Except for professional corporations specifically authorized under title 7 of the TBOC as noted above, the general rule is that “a corporation is not authorized to engage in the practice of law”).
Texas has PLLCs, but based on the name Josh Blackman LLC would not appear to be a PLLC.
I don't think preparing an amicus brief is "practicing law." Certainly it wouldn't be UPL under Texas law for obvious reasons.
Prof. Blackman, at least notionally, was the attorney representing the amici (Prof. Tillman and the Landmark Legal Foundation). That seems like it would count as practicing law.
Oh, well, if the legal standard is "sounds like it to you" then I agree, but that doesn't appear to be documented anywhere. While SCOTUS requires amicus briefs to be filed by lawyers, many courts do not - even from organizations. Non-lawyers normally cannot practice law, so if preparing amicus briefs is practicing law, our courts are generating quite a few criminals by accepting their briefs. I also question your idea that preparing an amicus brief creates an attorney-client privilege and a confidential work product.
Regardless, it's not UPL in Texas for obvious reasons, as I said. Of course, I mean obvious to someone who looks at the law rather than imagining its shape.
“Professor Seth Barrett Tillman and others” = “Blackman-Tillman brief”?
Only Josh knows…
Blackman-Tillman Underdrive
Could this result in a Blackman-Calabresi Celebrity Death Match?
I see Blackman is unaware of the inconsistency of his implying that Smith can’t be an officer because “there is no office for him to hold”.
Blackman has already established – in his own mind – that notwithstanding the presidency being described as an office in the Constitution, the president is not an officer. It follows that there is no requirement for an office to be linked to an officer – and hence Smith can be an officer without there being an office.
and hence Smith can be an officer without there being an office.
Officers have to be appointed by the President
Can you point to the part of the constitution that you think says that?
I think that the problem here is that the Constitution requires that Principal Officers need Senate confirmation. Other (Inferior) officers do not. But Inferior Officers don’t have the discretion to determine who to prosecute, etc, unless that power has been formally delegated to them by or from a Principal Officer. The AG, DAG, AAGs, and USAs are the DOJ’s Senate confirmed Principal Officers. AUSAs are Inferior Officers, reporting to a Principal Officer. Most Special Counsels have been USAs.
Not all government employees are Officers. Most of them are mere employees. They cannot bind the government. Most government employees are just that - employees. Just like with corporations. The argument appears to be that there is no statutory creation of a Special Counsel as either a Principal or Inferior Officer, so all that Smith can have, in power, is that of a mere employee. Theoretically, there has to be a (Senate confirmed) Principal Officer involved to provide sufficient discretion. But, since the AG appointed Smith, the AG may suffice there. But even then, at least an Inferior Officer would be required to bind the government, which includes bringing indictments, etc.
Ever wonder why every bank branch has an officer in charge? It’s just that - that only officers can legally bind the bank. Every loan has to be signed by an officer of the bank. So, they have a lot of officers. As an attorney, you need to be aware of this.
I really don't get the argument about the powers Jack Smith has an "inferior officer." Doesn't his authority extend from the AG (Garland) who clearly is an officer and does have the authority that is needed here. Would it really be necessary for Garland to counter-sign each and every document Smith files? Or is the argument that Garland never had the authority to delegate this case to an appointed special counsel in the first place?
I suspect even that solution of Garland signing everything would be insufficient for those whose motive is actually desiring Trump to escape accountability. Even Aileen Cannon has not gone so far as to suggest (much less rule) that Smith has no right to bring this case to court.
And it makes me wonder further why Trump's lawyers haven't filed a motion to dismiss on this basis. It isn't as flimsy as other ploys they have tried, and it would likely result in more pre-trial delay that they love so much.
What’s your basis for saying that U.S. Attorneys are principal officers? The authority I’m familiar with all says they’re inferior officers (and for what it’s worth, Profs. Blackman and Tillman concede as much. See United States v. Hilario, 218 F.3d 19 (1st Cir. 2000); United States v. Gantt, 194 F.3d 987 (9th Cir. 1999).
What is your authority for the claim that every government attorney has to be an officer? That would be a pretty radical revision of the conventional understanding of how these things work.
Note that this is not the position taken by Profs. Blackman and Tillman. They concede that AUSAs are employees, and that employees can be prosecutors, as long as they’re under the supervision of an officer. They just say that the supervisor has to be a US Attorney rather than the Attorney General—a position that, as you seem to acknowledge, doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.
I never said that every government attorney had to be an Officer. Plenty of them aren’t. AUSAs most often report to USAs (hence their title - Assistant US Attorneys).
"response to our amicus brief"
Is it common for a party to respond to an amicus brief?
It doesn't seem all that odd when the court invites them to, as happened here.
The Trump-haters are willing to break every law in an effort to get rid of him. And they pretend that they are preserving democracy by blocking us from voting for the candidate of our choice.
The Trump supporters are willing to ignore every law broken in an effort to get him re-elected.
Good thing he hasn't broken any.
In NY, he is on trial for describing a legal expense as a legal expense.
Since Stephanie Clifford (a/k/a Stormy Daniels) is not a lawyer, a payment to her cannot, of course be a legal expense.
That's new and different. Are you telling us investigators, paralegals, office girls, photocopier repairers etc can't be paid?
Into which of those categories would you put her?
Is your claim legal payments for an NDA are not legal payments?
Do you claim she was paid for drafting an NDA?
Do you claim that Trump knew beforehand that the expense was for the NDA? That he knew what the expense was for?
Are you claiming Trump didn't know he was paying Daniels hush money?
A payment to a lawyer to draft an NDA is a legal expense. A payment to a non-lawyer for her silence is not a legal expense any more than a payment to a dentist for a root canal is.
Here is where Trump tripped on his dick. If he had just written "Settlement Payment", there would have been no misstatement at all, but it would have been completely opaque and un-incriminating.
Hillary had her lawyers claim a dossier was a legal expense....
If paying Russians and foreign spies to dig up dirt and make up things about your political opponent is a legal expense, then it seems like paying someone for a NDA could be too.
Hillary paid an American company, not Russians or foreign spies, and did not pay them to "make up things," but that was not a legal expense, and the FEC issued a fine for that.
“Hillary paid an American company, not Russians or foreign spies”
Right – just like Trump paid an American law firm, not a porn star.
But yeah, bring on the FEC slap on the wrist. Oh, wait…
No, not "just like" that. You don't understand the difference between a pass through situation and an employee/contractor. Hillary — or, rather, her campaign — paid money to a law firm, Perkins Coie, but that was a passthrough situation where the money was just being forwarded to another vendor (Fusion GPS). Her campaign's FEC filing called that a legal expense, but it wasn't, and therefore she was fined by them. But Fusion wasn't a passthrough situation. Fusion was the vendor she was hiring. She wasn't giving them money and saying, "Here, send this to so-and-so."
Similarly, Trump gave money to Cohen to give to Stormy. That was a passthrough situation, and therefore wasn't a legal expense. But Trump falsified business records (which isn't under the FEC's purview) and called it such.
What you need to understand, David No Mind, is that the reputation of THE ENTIRE LEGAL PROFESSION is on trial in NYC.
Trump hired a LICENSED lawyer to deal with a legal matter -- albeit not a very good one, nor a very honest one, but one who at the time had a valid license -- and he paid the lawyer's bill.
If that constitutes a crime, the legal profession will exist no more.
At the very least, you will see demands for an end to the self-policing bar with the fate of Trump being Exhibit 1 for that. And as much as I would personally like to see a bunch of non-lawyers empowered to decide who gets disbarred, I doubt that the profession would.
David No Mind, think of it as hiring an iffy trucking company that (at the time) had a valid DOT number and whose drivers (at the time) had valid CDLs.
Should you be CRIMINALLY liable for not knowing that the Mass RMV was too incompetent to yank CDLs for out-of-state OUIs? Yes, I am thinking of a specific and quite horrific accident in NH a few years back, but should YOU go to jail because YOU didn’t know that the Mass RMV was incompetent? Or should you be protected by the fact that you confirmed that the schmuck had a valid MA Class A license and should that fact protect you?
NB: I am not saying the company did -- I've driven for people who never even asked to SEE my CDL, let alone paid the $14 or such to get a driver's record from the state. But you could have done that and never would have known about the stuff that the Ma RMV never bothered to put on his record.
"If that constitutes a crime, the legal profession will exist no more."
Hardly, since the legal profession gets to decide if the legal profession continues to exist. You can get away with a lot of things that strictly speaking don't make logical sense, if you're the one making and enforcing the rules.
What you need to understand is that you are full of shit. No, there will not be a race war over this, nor will Handmaid's Tale be implemented, nor will the legal profession be affected in any way. Donald Trump is on trial.
That does not constitute a crime. Lying about what the payments were for does.
I don't know if you actually are stupid enough to believe that Trump thought he was paying for legal services or you don't care what the truth is.
Cohen made the deal with the blackmailer. Trump was just reimbursing Cohen. The payment was to resolve a claim.
Let’s start with the basics. It’s not blackmail. Trump paid money to a publisher to reimburse them for the rights to an article to kill it (the assignment of those rights), because he didn’t want a porn star talking about the fact that he was slept with her.
Except Trump didn’t pay for the rights. Cohen paid the for the rights. Through a shell corporation. In order to avoid the news coming out before the election. This was an illegal payment (and an illegal campaign contribution) for which Cohen has already served time in prison.
After the election, Trump paid Cohen with a number of Checks, each stating they were for “legal services” for a specific time period in 2017 under a retainer agreement. Not as a lump sum settlement at one time. And there was no retainer agreement. Oh, and the checks were processed through (you knew this was coming) the Trump organization.
Now, the actual facts aren’t really in dispute. They do amount to crimes under New York Law. That said, the burden is on the prosecution to prove the facts, and I am sure that every little thing will be disputed, despite all the facts being well-known.
Personally, I think that this is the kind of thing that Trump (and others) often get away with, and likely would not result in charges like this. Whether that’s a feature or a bug of the system is your call. You can analogize it to Hunter Biden’s case- notoriety and political pressure can result in prosecutors choosing to pursue a criminal action instead of just resolving it easily.
But the rest of this is just noise. There is no doubt that he structured this (aka, falsified records) in order to avoid exposure.
Someone wanted money for silence. Seems like blackmail to me.
Trump paid a lawyer to dispose of a nuisance claim. Hence it is accurate to say it was for legal services. Maybe incomplete, but accurate.
It would have been probably illegal to use campaign funds, so it was certainly not a campaign contribution.
Cohen went to prison for other crimes. The feds got a plea bargain that was supposed to implicate Trump, but they did not get enough to prosecute.
That’s not at all what happened. You are entitled to your opinions, but not your own facts.
This wasn’t blackmail. AMI (the publisher) was a willing accomplice of Trump. They were the ones that specifically went out to get the “rights” to the story to kill it, and were paid by Trump (Cohen) in order to do it, but buying the rights, and then selling (assigning) the rights to a Trump company. In other words, Trump wasn’t blackmailed. AMI reached out and negotiated the rights to the story with the women. The women in question weren't asking for silence, they thought that they were selling the rights to a story that would be published.
Next, he didn’t pay an attorney to get rid of a nuisance claim. The lawyer set up a shell company to get the rights to kill a story in violation of the law (and by falsifying business records), and then Trump, later, falsified business records by falsely claiming that they were for “legal expenses” over a period of time for a retainer agreement … except that there were no legal expenses, and no retainer agreement, and there was no legal work done during that period.
So the basic claim (falsifying business records) seem pretty clear.
Other than that, you’re batting 1.000!
The terrible thing is that these facts are all publicly available, and you simply don’t want to know them. You do know that not only the indictment, but the basic information supporting it is all pubic, right? You can find it. Not that you want to.
You agree that the woman was paid for her silence. I guess you are saying it was not just blackmail by her, as AMI was also paid for its silence.
Shell companies are legal, and used all the time. Maybe the shell company was used to hide the expenses from the public, or from the wife, we do not know. Regardless, businesses legitimately do this commonly.
I don't know why you say there were no legal expenses or agreement. Trump certainly did make an agreement with Cohen, and paid him.
I have read the indictment. It does not even allege a campaign finance law violation, or really explain what crime was being covered up, or why the statute of limitations do not apply, or why it is not Trump's free speech right to describe the transaction any way he wants, or what was inaccurate about the records, or who was harmed by Trump, or anything that would justify criminal culpability.
No, AMI was not "paid for its silence." AMI — via its ironically-named publisher, David Pecker — was doing Trump a personal favor.
That is true. (You might want to tell the Hunter Biden conspiracy theory loons that.)
But falsifying business records is not legal.
The "agreement" was that Cohen would pay Stormy, and that Trump would reimburse him. That's not legal services.
An indictment is not a legal brief, so there's no reason that sort of information/argumentation would be found there. (More detail can be found in the government's Statement of Facts; out of an abundance of generosity I'll even give you the link to it: https://manhattanda.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/2023-04-04-SOF.pdf )
But I'll give you this: "The 1A gives me the right to falsify business records" is certainly an audacious argument that even Trump himself did not deign to make.
Why the fuck are people voting for a candidate that pays publishers money to kill stories about him? I mean, while we're on the subject.
I have bad news for you. This strategy has more than likely been employed in the past by more than one entity. It seems pretty straightforward.
Many people treat politics as they would a sports contest. They are loyal to their team. It is a rational course of action to take from their point of view. I saw the same sort rationalizations concerning Bill Clinton when he was in office. It is as it ever was. Quick google search shows the following from 1868: “Ah! but he is our rascal,”.
On another note, I often wonder what individuals in the past would have done if they had access to the amount of information that we have today. Maybe more of the same.
'This strategy has more than likely been employed in the past by more than one entity.'
The fuck you say? Imagine that. Here, though, we're dealing with an incidence that we actually know about, by a major political figure.
The comment system would not let me reply to your reply.
My only point is that people are going to make the choice that the perceive as providing for the maximal liklihood of their desired outcomes to be achieved.
I like a few Heinlein quotes on voting.
“When you vote, you are exercising political authority, you're using force. And force, my friends, is violence. The supreme authority from which all other authorities are derived.”
― Robert A. Heinlein, Starship Troopers
At the end of the day when people choose other people to perform duties in govenment, they are choosing people whose decisions will define the boundries of their personal freedoms and allowed interactions between those boundries and the boundries of others. Those definitions are utlimately enforced with physical force if they are not complied with.
P.S.
Profanity is not required for emphasis. Let us attempt discourse in a civil manner. Thank you.
Yes, I know what voting is and why people vote, thank you. The question I actually asked about this specific person who does this specific thing still stands.
That is, of course, not what happened.
How do you figure that a payment expressly made for the purpose of helping Donald Trump get elected is not a campaign contribution/expenditure?
If someone were being paid to travel around the country (or cut a campaign ad, or whatever) telling us what a wonderful person Donald Trump was, nobody would question that this was a campaign expense. Someone being paid NOT to say negative things about Trump presents just as much of one.
Trump could have donated the money to his campaign, and used campaign funds. If he had done that, the Trump-hating prosecutors could have charged him with using campaign funds for personal purposes. Using his own money would have seemed more prudent.
The NY County DA does not have authority over a candidate's use of federal campaign funds for a federal election. And the issue here, which you keep ignoring, is the falsification of business records.
Right. The DA has to prove that business records were falsified to cover up a crime, within the statute of limitations. No records were falsified, no crime was covered up, and the time limit expired.
A campaign finance violation would be a federal offense, but the feds determined that there was no crime.
Right, no records were falsified, except of course the Trump organization records claiming that payments to Stormy Daniels were legal fees.
Also, the federal government deciding not to prosecute is not the same thing as the federal government deciding that there wasn't a crime. Indeed, Michael Cohen's conviction says otherwise.
The Trump records said that the money was "legal expenses', not legal fees.
The indictment does not even claim that Trump should have used campaign funds. It just pretends that if Trump were hiding something, then the jury can be tricked into thinking it was illegal.
Of course not; that's an issue for the FEC. The indictment is for falsifying business records.
Seems to be begging the question a bit, in that it's far from clear that appointing a special counsel (as, of course, DOJ also did under Trump!) is in fact breaking the law. Not to mention the fact that Smith's prosecutions will not block anyone from voting for him.
Which big words are you having trouble with?
Why Smith isn't facing a firing squad.
Or at least Federal Indictment.
I could live with that...
For what could he possibly be indicted?
Nullum crimen sine lege still exists?
Wish I could remember which case, but there is somewhere in the 19th century an example of the Supreme Court ruling that a person exercising the powers of an office for which an oath is required, is presumed on the basis of the actual exercise of those powers to be properly sworn to office. Seems like that might have relevance here. Maybe if Jack Smith is exercising the powers of an officer of the United States, and being treated by parties he deals with as an officer of the United States, he actually is an officer of the United States, no matter what Blackman thinks.
The problem is that case involved somebody who was exercising the powers of an office which legally required the oath to exercise, and the question was whether they'd actually taken that oath.
Here, by contrast, we have somebody exercising powers assigned to a job, and the argument is that those powers could only legally be exercised by somebody occupying an office that required an oath. Different issue.
It's the difference between a member of Congress voting despite not having taken their oath, and a member of Congress letting one of their interns cast the votes.
Can this issue be appealed in an interlocutory appeal or does it have to wait until after the trial?
If Judge Cannon were to dismiss the indictment on this basis, that would be a final order that could be appealed from. Not dismissing the indictment is not typically something that can be addressed through an interlocutory appeal.
Maybe Judge Cannon could just quietly ignore all Smith's filings. The filings do not properly represent the US DoJ.