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Judge James C. Ho's Remarks to the Midland County Bar Association
"This isn’t about forum shopping. It’s about forum shaming. It’s about shaming judges who won’t distort their rulings to do their bidding—while rewarding those judges who do."
[I heard about Judge Ho's speech and thought it relevant to some of the recent discussions on this blog, so I asked him if I could publish it. He kindly obliged.]
Midland County Bar Association
April 15, 2024
Thank you, Judge Counts, for the kind introduction. I'm honored to follow in the footsteps of your previous keynote speakers—including Judge Counts and Judge Junell—past and present members of my court, like Chief Judge Richman and Judge Prado—as well as distinguished judges from our state court system.
Gatherings like this recognize the modest but important role that the judiciary plays in resolving our Nation's disputes.
Here in Midland, a single federal district judge has the solemn duty to resolve all of the disputes that arise under Article III of the Constitution. Judge Counts has spent his entire life serving his country and his community—the United States Army, the Texas Army National Guard, a state and federal prosecutor, and fifteen years on the federal bench.
The people of Midland can take comfort that their rights are protected by such a devoted and publicly spirited member of their community.
I.
But lately, some critics of the judiciary have chosen to bemoan, rather than celebrate, the fact that many Americans across the country are served by a single, local federal district judge.
Single-judge divisions have recently come under sharp attack from certain political quarters. And now, the Judicial Conference of the United States has decided to credit these political attacks.
On March 12, the Judicial Conference announced that certain litigants who want to prevent a federal or state law or policy from taking effect should be forced to litigate before a judge in a randomly chosen division—no matter how large the judicial district, and no matter how far away the randomly-chosen judge.
The Judicial Conference isn't shy about why they're doing this. They're targeting single-judge divisions. Its announcement repeatedly mentions "single-judge divisions" as the purported evil they're trying to combat.
Moreover, the Judicial Conference briefed a group of reporters on this new policy, and the extensive press coverage that resulted from that presentation makes clear that their focus is indeed single-judge divisions—especially those here in Texas.
Consider how this proposal would operate in practice. Whether this new policy will affect you, and your ability to protect your constitutional rights, depends dramatically on where you live.
If you live in one of our biggest cities—in Dallas or Houston—nothing should change: You'll likely still appear before a judge who lives in your community.
But if you live somewhere else, you'll likely be forced to appear before a judge who lives far away. In big states like Texas, we're talking about hundreds of miles away.
Just look at how this proposal would affect people in Midland. There are 18 federal district judges across the Western District of Texas. The majority of those judges live elsewhere, in places like Austin, San Antonio, and El Paso—hundreds of miles away from Midland.
So if the Judicial Conference proposal is adopted, a citizen of Midland who seeks relief will likely be forced to litigate before a judge who lives hundreds of miles away.
The same is true with the single-judge division in Amarillo—the division that has received the sharpest political criticism. Under this proposal, citizens in the Panhandle will more likely than not be forced to litigate their rights before a federal judge 400 miles away in Dallas.
II.
We shouldn't impose greater burdens or different rules on Americans, just because they live outside our Nation's largest urban centers. The Constitution protects every citizen—not just those who live in big cities.
So I'm not surprised that the Judicial Conference proposal was immediately met with a firestorm of opposition—not just from federal judges, but also from leading members of the United States Senate, as well as prominent members of the legal academy.
I was one of those early voices of opposition within the judiciary. And with your indulgence, I'll spend a few minutes tonight explaining why I continue to oppose the Judicial Conference proposal.
III.
I'll begin by stating the obvious. There's nothing inherently wrong or suspicious about the fact that some judicial divisions in our federal system have only one resident district judge.
I spend many of my weekends in a small, one stoplight town in Texas. We have just one supermarket in that town.
Now, do I immediately assume that something illegal or untoward has happened, just because there's only one supermarket? Some blatant violation of federal antitrust law?
Of course not. It just means the town only needs one grocery store—not two.
And just as one grocery store doesn't mean monopolization, one federal district judge doesn't mean corruption.
Now, we could make people travel long distances to get to a federal judge—just like we could make people travel long distances to get to a grocery store. But that would not serve the American people well.
So it's not surprising that Congress has chosen to authorize the judiciary to hold court, not just in America's biggest cities, but in countless other cities across the country—to ensure that all Americans have the best possible access to the federal court system.
And make no mistake: It's up to Congress—not the judiciary—to decide where we can hold court. In fact, the first bill that Senator Cornyn ever enacted into law was a bill I got to work on as his chief counsel—a bill authorizing the Eastern District of Texas to hold court in Plano.
Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution vests in Congress the authority to "constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court." So it's Congress that decides how many federal districts and divisions will exist in Texas, and where in Texas judges can sit.
IV.
So if it's Congress that gets to decide that Americans in smaller cities and towns will have access to the federal courts, why is the Judicial Conference doing this?
The problem, they say, is forum shopping—litigants choosing to file suit in a particular location for strategic reasons.
I first studied the issue of forum shopping two decades ago, back when I was on Capitol Hill. I learned that it's very important to explain exactly what you mean, if you say you're concerned about forum shopping.
It's important to explain, because the whole point of our adversarial legal system is that attorneys will do their best to zealously advocate for their clients. Indeed, we require them to.
Here's one recent example: A few weeks after the Judicial Conference announcement, Bloomberg ran an article with the following headline: DOJ's Apple Suit Filed in New Jersey for Friendly Third Circuit.
The article begins with this opening line: "The US Justice Department's choice of New Jersey to file its landmark antitrust lawsuit against Apple Inc. was likely motivated by driving any future appeals to a circuit court relatively open to cracking down on monopoly power."
Is Attorney General Merrick Garland going to fire these DOJ lawyers for engaging in this blatant forum shopping? I'm guessing not.
That's not even the highest profile example of recent forum shopping by DOJ. Last year, DOJ filed suit against Texas, challenging the State's efforts to secure the border in Del Rio.
There's a federal court in Del Rio. And other similar suits have been filed in Del Rio.
Yet DOJ filed in Austin—not Del Rio. It's pretty obvious that DOJ's choice of forum was strategic. And it has not gone unnoticed. One district judge pointedly observed that "the United States sued Texas related to events occurring in the Western District of Texas's Del Rio Division, but it chose to bring suit over 200 miles away in the Austin Division."
I don't expect Attorney General Garland to punish these DOJ lawyers for blatant forum shopping, either.
So let's not pretend that strategic thinking about venue selection is the exclusive province of one type of litigant or one end of the political spectrum. It happens regardless of who controls the government—or who controls the lawsuit.
Let's just be honest with the American people. Some plaintiffs like to file in a single judge division in a particular state. Other litigants like to choose a big city in another state. But either way, the lawyers are engaging in the exact same strategic decision in choosing a forum.
There's a reason why the California Attorney General files certain suits in San Francisco, not Sacramento—and why the Maryland Attorney General files certain suits in Greenbelt, not Baltimore.
It's because, if you file in the San Francisco Division of the Northern District of California, or in the Greenbelt Division in Maryland, you have a 100% chance of drawing a judge appointed by a President of a particular party.
It's inevitable that lawyers will try to predict which strategies will best serve their clients. It's what we expect in an adversarial system of justice, in which Congress gives plaintiffs the flexibility to select their venue, under the laws that organize our federal judiciary.
V.
The concern, then, must not be about lawyers pursuing their clients' best interests within the bounds of the law. The concern must be about what judges are doing.
We expect lawyers to favor their clients when they choose where to file their cases. But we expect judges not to play favorites.
Judges aren't supposed to pick which cases they'll decide, or which laws they'll follow.
So if there's a real concern about forum shopping in our country, it's that certain judges aren't just taking cases as they come. The concern is that some judges are trying to direct which cases they get. And that they're tilting their decisions in order to attract the cases they most want.
Some people use the term "forum shopping." But the real concern may be what academics call "forum selling." And it's a concern that I take very, very seriously.
A.
I mentioned that I had the honor of serving as chief counsel to Senator John Cornyn two decades ago. Serving on the Senate Judiciary Committee staff remains to this day the best job I've ever had. One big reason is that you constantly get to work on the most interesting legal issues facing our country.
Senator Cornyn was deeply concerned about forum selling in the federal bankruptcy courts. He had previously served as Texas Attorney General during the Enron bankruptcy. He was very frustrated when the Enron bankruptcy proceeded in a bankruptcy court in New York, not here in Texas, where so many people were so badly hurt.
Legal academics have written extensively about the extreme and egregious problem of forum selling by federal bankruptcy courts. One law professor even wrote a whole book about it. He called it: Courting Failure: How Competition For Big Cases Is Corrupting the Bankruptcy Courts.
After extensive study and analysis, Prof. Lynn LoPucki concluded that federal bankruptcy judges seek fame and stature, not only by openly soliciting the Nation's biggest bankruptcy cases—but also by distorting their rulings, in hopes of tempting attorneys to file the big cases in their courts.
Bankruptcy law can be a bit arcane. So let me give you a simple example of the professor's concerns: He's concerned that bankruptcy judges are taking money away from workers, pensioners, shareholders, and small businesses—and giving that money to bankruptcy lawyers. Why? To encourage the lawyers to keep filing those big cases in their courts.
Increasing attorney fees to get big bankruptcy cases is what the professor calls the, quote, "dark side" of forum selling in bankruptcy law.
Most trial judges strictly scrutinize applications for attorney's fees, to ensure that the fees are reasonable, and not excessive. But rather than enforce these limits, some bankruptcy judges are exceeding them.
As the professor puts it, "cutting lawyers' fees is not a career-enhancing activity" for "bankruptcy judges." And in fact, some bankruptcy judges do precisely the opposite.
As the professor explained in the Wisconsin Law Review, "bankruptcy judges who want to attract large reorganization cases to their district will be under pressure to award attorney fees in excess of existing market rates. . . . [A]t the conclusion of a large case, reorganization lawyers often seek, and bankruptcy judges often award, bonuses or premiums in excess of the lawyers' hourly rates."
We're talking about big dollars here. The professor looked at the big bankruptcy filings in just one single year. Of the 79 cases filed nationally in 2000, Delaware got 45 of them—over half. And in just those 45 cases alone, the "total professional fees and expenses . . . easily topped $1 billion." That's just one year's worth of big bankruptcy filings in one state.
It's not just Delaware. New York cashes in on this forum selling, too. As Senator Cornyn wrote in 2005 in the Legal Times, "in the Enron case, . . . creditors expect to receive less than 20 cents on the dollar, while attorneys, accountants, and other advisers may collect more than $1 billion in fees." That's from just one single bankruptcy case in New York.
So when General Cornyn became Senator Cornyn, he decided to do something about this problem. He introduced legislation to end the problem of forum selling in the federal bankruptcy courts.
I remember attending a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing in 2005, when Senator Cornyn discussed his proposal with then-Harvard Law Professor Elizabeth Warren. She praised his proposal. She said, and I quote: "I do not think this is an issue of Republicans or Democrats, an issue of liberals or conservatives. It is a good government issue . . . that there will be full and fair access for everyone, every creditor, everyone who has been injured or affected by the process." As she explained, "those cases need to stay home, not go to a distant location where they think they may get a better deal."
The Cornyn legislation didn't pass that year. So now that Professor Warren has become Senator Warren, she and Senator Cornyn introduce legislation every Congress hoping to stop forum shopping in the bankruptcy courts.
But the law still hasn't passed. Why not? I think you can guess.
Just ask yourself this: Which states have historically benefited the most from forum selling in the bankruptcy courts? It's Delaware and New York.
At that same hearing where Professor Warren praised Senator Cornyn's proposal, then-Senator Joe Biden had a very different reaction. He threatened to launch, quote, an "incredibly long fight over this amendment."
Now, let me be clear: I'm no longer a Senate staffer. I'm a federal judge. As a federal judge, it's my job to follow the laws set by Congress, and leave politics to the political branches.
So I'm not here to advocate or oppose any particular legislation. I respect that members of Congress will dutifully represent their citizens as they see fit. How each of them chooses to do their jobs is not for me to question.
But anyone who is sincere about ending forum selling should be aware of this extensive body of work before they make any final decisions.
B.
Bankruptcy law isn't the only area where there's strong bipartisan concern that federal judges are engaged in forum selling. Let's look at patent law.
Forum shopping in patent cases has become a national joke. I'm not being rhetorical. I mean this quite literally.
I'd invite you to watch an episode of the HBO show Last Week Tonight with John Oliver. In 2015, comedian John Oliver did a long segment on, of all things, patent litigation. It's hilarious—or at least as hilarious as anyone can be about patent litigation.
Oliver ridiculed the fact that so many of our Nation's biggest patent cases are filed in a single division in the Eastern District of Texas.
I can't do the episode justice—you'll have to watch it yourself. I'll just quote one portion, where Oliver explains how fearful companies are of being sued in the town of Marshall, Texas:
"Samsung . . . has spent almost a million dollars on community projects like this ice skating rink, right in front of the courthouse. Samsung was so frightened of patent lawsuits they felt forced to build an outdoor ice rink—in Texas. Do you know how hard that is to maintain? It's like building a bowling alley in space."
Legal scholars who specialize in patent law have come to the same conclusion as bankruptcy law professors: "[J]udges slant procedures and rulings to blatantly favor patent owners." Why? To attract the biggest patent cases to their courts.
And the economic consequences are enormous, just as they are on the bankruptcy docket. According to a 2014 article in the Harvard Business Review, "patent trolls cost defendant firms $29 billion per year in direct out-of-pocket costs." "[I]n aggregate, patent litigation destroys over $60 billion in firm wealth each year."
Not surprisingly, then, forum selling on the patent docket has attracted bipartisan concern, just as it has with the bankruptcy docket.
Senators Thom Tillis and Patrick Leahy have objected that judges are, quote, "engag[ing] in inappropriate conduct intended to attract and retain certain types of [patent] cases and litigants."
Judges are "openly solicit[ing] cases at lawyers' meetings and other venues and urg[ing] patent plaintiffs to file their infringement actions in [their] court," and "repeatedly ignor[ing] binding case law and abus[ing] [their] discretion in denying transfer motions."
I thought it was interesting that the Senators expressed specific concern about judges wrongly denying venue transfer motions, in hopes of keeping big cases in their courts. So I looked into it.
I have found a long string cite of mandamus reversals of the Marshall Division for wrongfully denying motions to transfer venue. The Fifth Circuit has even made the pointed observation that "[m]andamus petitions from the Marshall Division are no strangers to the federal courts of appeals."
Another single judge division in Texas has been mandamused by the Federal Circuit on at least 29 separate occasions for wrongfully denying venue transfer in patent cases—including three times on a single day.
By my count, that's nearly half of all challenges to that court's transfer denials reviewed by appeals courts—an extraordinary rate, considering that mandamus is supposed to be an extraordinary form of relief.
Now, let me ask you this: How many times has the Amarillo Division been successfully mandamused for wrongfully denying venue transfer? By my count, the number is—zero.
Moreover, critics of the Amarillo Division like to focus on the FDA abortion pill case, which is now pending before the U.S. Supreme Court. But in that case, the defendants didn't even bother to request a venue transfer—let alone seek mandamus relief from a federal court of appeals.
C.
So what does the Judicial Conference proposal do about forum selling on our Nation's bankruptcy and patent dockets, given the extensive academic scholarship and bipartisan outrage in Congress?
It does—nothing.
It's a profoundly peculiar omission, as any objective observer would have to acknowledge. Even Slate felt compelled to observe that "The New Judge Shopping Fix Has Two Huge Loopholes," to quote one recent headline. The two loopholes identified by Slate? Bankruptcy and patents.
D.
Moreover, the Judicial Conference proposal not only focuses on the wrong problem—it also proposes the wrong solution.
The Judicial Conference explains that its real concern is single judge divisions issuing nationwide injunctions that affect the entire country.
But if nationwide injunctions are a problem, then let's get rid of them! And while we're at it, let's also get rid of their close cousin—vacatur of agency actions under the Administrative Procedure Act.
But if we're going to do it, we have to do it in an even-handed manner.
If nationwide injunctions and agency vacatur are a problem, then they're a problem whether they're issued by judges in big cities or small towns.
They're a problem regardless of who controls the White House, and who files the lawsuit.
We shouldn't condition nationwide injunctions based on where you live—or what political views you hold.
E.
So why haven't we gotten rid of nationwide injunctions yet?
I assume it's because too many people like nationwide injunctions—at least when the outcome suits their interests.
But assuming that neither Congress nor the Supreme Court will take action to stop nationwide injunctions or agency vacatur, all is not lost. In fact, we already have a solution readily available and on the books today.
It's called—appellate review.
You don't have to be a law professor to understand that, if a district court issues a constitutional decision that people disagree with, there's an entire army of federal appellate judges, not to mention Supreme Court justices, who aren't at all shy about reviewing—and when appropriate, reversing—those rulings.
That's just not true when it comes to forum selling on the bankruptcy and patent dockets.
The kinds of bankruptcy and patent rulings that most attract future filings also happen to be subject to highly deferential review on appeal. They're often fact-intensive decisions like the approval of exorbitant attorney fees, which are hard to reverse on appeal.
As Senator Cornyn observed back in 2005, "bankruptcy law confers upon bankruptcy judges an enormous amount of discretion—discretion that is largely out of the reach of appellate review."
VI.
So how did the Judicial Conference get things so backwards?
Why is it ignoring robust bipartisan opposition to forum selling in our Nation's bankruptcy and patent courts—and instead catering only to a narrow set of concerns at one end of the political spectrum?
Why is it worried about only a small handful of constitutional rulings that are guaranteed to get robust, de novo review on appeal—while doing nothing about inflated attorney's fees and other judicial distortions that wreak such enormous economic havoc on our country?
Let's be honest. The Judicial Conference is just responding to certain political critics.
And those critics aren't seriously concerned about forum selling—they just disagree with certain outcomes in certain cases.
Their objections to forum shopping aren't sincere—they're strategic.
I've already mentioned that DOJ is a rampant forum shopper—a point that the critics ignore.
What's more, there are plenty of other examples of forum shopping that, again, the critics completely ignore. I'll briefly mention just three more examples here.
Right now, a number of attorneys are facing sanctions for manipulating court filings to circumvent judicial assignment rules in Alabama. But these attorneys hold views that are favored by the critics. They're challenging an Alabama law that prohibits sex reassignment surgery for minors.
So the critics don't seem to have a problem with that type of forum shopping—even when it includes allegations of attorney misconduct and fraud on the courts.
My second example: In Austin, senior federal district judges actually get to pick their cases. Under the governing case management order, cases aren't randomly assigned at all—they're assigned only with the consent of the senior judge.
If critics think that random assignment is so crucial—even when the judge is hundreds of miles away—you'd think the critics would be most upset about Austin, where there's no travel burden, yet no random assignment for the most senior judges.
But the critics don't ever mention Austin—presumably they like the results they get in Austin.
My final example: For decades, plaintiffs regularly filed constitutional lawsuits in the single judge division known as William Wayne Justice. Professor Josh Blackman and Judge Wes Hendrix have done yeoman's work documenting this.
Throughout our State's history, you could file in Tyler, or Sherman, or Marshall, or Paris—and you'd be guaranteed to draw William Wayne Justice. It was an open secret among lawyers and courtwatchers that this was all done quite deliberately—not accidentally—to allow litigants to pick William Wayne Justice as their preferred judge.
Do the critics condemn the sordid legacy of William Wayne Justice?
Not quite. The University of Texas Law School dedicates its entire Center for Public Interest Law to him.
If forum shopping at single judge divisions is so uniquely troubling, shouldn't we at least rename that center—and stop honoring the one who started this whole thing?
VII.
Look, I get what the critics are doing. This isn't about forum shopping. It's about forum shaming.
It's about shaming judges who won't distort their rulings to do their bidding—while rewarding those judges who do.
It's the same thing when critics accuse certain Supreme Court justices of being unethical. They don't attack other justices who engage in the same behavior—they applaud them, because they like their rulings.
At the end of the day, there's really just one ethics rule that applies: You're unethical if you're a principled originalist.
It's the same thing when it comes to forum shopping: It's only forum shopping if it's done by a politically conservative plaintiff.
And we all know what's going on here. It's all a strategy to intimidate judges into doing what the critics want.
We've all heard about the political efforts to "pack" the court. But there's no need to "pack" the court—when you can just "pressure" the court, and get the results you want that way.
Now, to be clear, everyone in America has the First Amendment right to speak and be heard—no matter how wrong-headed their views.
But that doesn't mean that judges should cater to their views.
As judges, we're duty bound to enforce the rights of every American—not just the loudest critics on one end of the political spectrum.
But I worry that the judiciary is failing in this basic responsibility. I worry that the recent Judicial Conference proposal only confirms these fears. And I worry that it's not the only example.
Many of us thought it was strange when, back in 2018, the Chief Justice criticized a sitting President of the United States for criticizing a federal judge. We thought it was strange for one simple reason: We suspected that we'd never hear such a statement, if the shoe was on the other foot—if the critics were on the other end of the political spectrum, and if they were criticizing a judge appointed by that President.
And here's the problem with that. You can't proclaim that "we do not have Obama judges or Trump judges"—but only speak up when it's an Obama judge who is criticized.
If you do that, then you're announcing that we do have Obama judges and Trump judges—because you're only willing to defend one, and not the other.
Standing up for judicial independence is sort of like standing up for the First Amendment. It's easy to do it when it's popular. But it's only when it's hard—when it's unpopular with the in-crowd—that it actually matters.
A principle isn't a principle until it costs you. As the Book of Psalms teaches, an oath is only an oath if you keep it "even when it hurts."
Judicial independence for me but not for thee is not a principled stance—it's a politicization of the very judiciary you're trying to defend.
VIII.
During his confirmation hearing, Chief Justice Roberts analogized judges to umpires. I agree with the metaphor. But I see the metaphor as cautionary, rather than aspirational.
Umpires, like all human beings, are vulnerable to peer pressure. No one likes being booed—and that includes umpires.
In fact, there's a book called Scorecasting, in which the authors closely examine the phenomenon known as home-field advantage.
They conclude that home-field advantage is real—that the leading cause is the referees—and it's because referees don't like to be booed by the hometown crowd.
The exact same thing can be said about judges. Yes, federal judges have life tenure—umpires don't. So in theory, federal judges should be more immune than umpires to the booing of the crowd.
But umpires live anonymous lives. You don't typically know the name of the umpire whose call you dislike. That's not true of federal judges.
So for umpires, the booing is fleeting. But for judges, the booing can last forever.
What's more, federal judges are typically picked based on glittering resumes chock full of prestigious credentials. People who have spent their entire lives chasing gold stars.
And what do they do, once they become federal judges? They're typically motivated by one thing: Getting more gold stars.
But doing this job right will not get you gold stars.
If your plan is to follow the law in every case, regardless of public criticism, then guess what: You will get public criticism. Especially when the outcome is despised by the cultural elites who control the national discourse.
Look, I get it. It's no fun to be called unethical, or corrupt—or to be told that you're a bad judge. But that's the job. You agreed to do it. Some people even lobby and campaign for it. You can quit anytime. It's life tenure—not a life sentence.
If you're afraid of being booed, then you shouldn't be a judge. If you're going to do this job, then you should do it for public service, not public applause.
Judges are supposed to follow the law, not distort the rules to avoid criticism. The last thing we should do is gerrymander the rules in response to political pressure.
If we cater to the forum shaming strategies of the critics, then we're no better than the forum-selling judges who distort their rulings to attract bankruptcy and patent cases. Whether we distort rules to attract cases or appease critics, we're committing the same sin.
I often tell my clerks that there are two types of personalities that you'll find in the legal profession: Fighters, and climbers.
As judges, we should follow the law—and, when necessary, stand up and fight for our legal system—not cower and cater to the noisiest critics.
Thank you.
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For those unfamiliar with Judge Ho, https://www.vox.com/scotus/23841718/edgelord-federal-judiciary-james-ho-fifth-circuit-abortion-guns
I particularly like the picture of him being sworn in in front of Harlan Crow's garage size fireplace.
Public servant serving the public is sworn in at the private home of a partisan donor. Can’t make this shit up.
I mean imagine if anyone in the executive or legislative branches did that.
How could he pass up the chance to be sworn in amid Nazi and Hitler memorabilia?
The left does the same damn thing. Big deal...
Let's see examples.
"Senior U.S. District Judge Reggie Walton joined CNN's Kaitlan Collins for an interview in which the news anchor asked the Washington, D.C.-based judge his views about attacks Trump had leveled on social media against Justice Juan Merchan."
That’s not an example of an executive or legislative official or a democratic judicial official getting sworn in at the home of a private partisan donor.
Its an example of judicial corruption, that is what is implied by the Ho allegation.
So you actually don’t have an example of anything remotely like what I said but you have an example of a Bush appointee giving an interview with perhaps impertinent remarks (something I could easily find many judges doing). You think this is relevant based on your belief that I made an “implicit” allegation even though we are clearly talking about a very specific indecent that involves photographic proof.
You must be a stellar attorney with reading and logic skills like that.
*incident
I don't have time or inclination to look it up, but wasn't some of the civil rights legislation signed in private venues associated with the movement, and weren't there Black judges (maybe state) sworn in inside of (private) Black churches?
Calvin Coolidge was sworn in by the light of a kerosene lamp in his parent's private home in rural Vermont -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_inauguration_of_Calvin_Coolidge
So none of these are the private homes of partisan donors. (Also Coolidge was at his parent’s home because Harding had just died).
“I don’t have time”
Wtf are you talking about? You post dozens of comments here every day.
So you don’t make things up, and you don’t embellish. What would you call relating a dimly-recalled anecdote which you admit you don’t even know is true or not?
Also signing legislation is not the “same damn thing”
Harry Frankfurter’s classic essay “On Bullshit” seems relevant here.
He was telling the truth when he said he didn't have the inclination to look up what he was going to write about, though!
It does seem like poor judgment (though not really “corruption”)!
The typical remedy, for a good person, would be the call it out and show better behavior by example, not to use it as a license to act just as poorly. (Not that that would even apply in Ho’s case, of course.)
“I don’t make stuff up. I don’t even embellish”
“Forum shaming”
Judge Ho is whiniest little bitch on the entire federal bench, a bench that includes Sam Alito.
But the amount of self-delusion here is truly incredible. He writes highly politically charged opinions about “woke constitutions.” Then he has the gall to NOT act like a partisan hack clearly angling for a SCOTUS nom. That’s some next level dishonesty. Oh and then being like “we don’t do it for the applause” while talking at a super friendly venue.
What a fucking joke of a judge.
Judge Ho is a bigoted, bigotty, right-wing bigot.
He gave permission for it to be published here....
You think he’s going to read and respond to comments here or something?
But just in case: Judge Ho, you are an unprincipled and unethical climber doing it for the applause. Most of all you’re simply a bad judge.
I read this and then compare it to the crap that Brown-Jackson writes and ask "why?"
Because you’re uneducated in law and good writing. That was easy.
Whatever -- I compare this to her dissent in SFFA and wonder how she got into law school -- then I remember -- Black female...
You know nothing about what it takes to get into law school or Justice Brown-Jackson, and even if you did manage to complete a paragraph or two of her writings — highly doubtful — you could not possibly understand them.
I got into law school -- I chose not to go but I was admitted to a fairly highly rated one.
South Texas College of Law?
Don't be silly; that's ABA accredited. And not in Massachusetts or Maine. Maybe Massachusetts School of Law.
"You know nothing about what it takes to get into law school or Justice Brown-Jackson"
Unlike Jackson [no hyphen], he does know what a woman is so advantage Ed.
Dr. Ed 2 : "— then I remember — Black female…"
Said the man who twisted himself into knots trying to blame the Key Bridge accident on black people. In short, a racist clown.
And you know what caused the crash? Do tell....
“Dr.” Ed, as always, seeks to prove the feminist aphorism, “Give me the confidence of a mediocre man.”
Please. Dr. Ed couldn’t see mediocrity with the Webb telescope.
I can see the benefit for practitioners engaged in patent and bankruptcy proceedings in flocking to friendly judges. But it’s less obvious what’s in it for the judges themselves. Tons of tedious paperwork to wade through, and not a bloodstain in sight.
Unless we’re talking about un petit pourboire ? Is that what’s alleged ?
Slightly surprised that Ho would cite, or even be aware of, any segments by John Oliver. Considerably more surprised that he would have a positive opinion about a segment by John Oliver.
Altogether, this very large number of words by Ho is less unhinged than I expected it to be before I started reading it. Lots of diversions, but at least they were somewhat interesting. There are some points made, just not sure that they are all as connected as Ho claims, or if they even should be.
Not unhinged, but not very intelligent, either. I mean, the supermarket analogy made no sense whatsoever, and of course he elided the difference between forum shopping and judge shopping.
And pretended that suing someone where that person is located (Austin) is like suing someone in a venue completely unrelated to any party or issue (Amarillo).
Judge Ho was sooooooooooooo close to identifying the problem but he just couldn't take the last step.
"They're typically motivated by one thing: Getting more gold stars."
No sir, it's not 'gold stars' they're after - it's, " . . . 'flights, yacht cruises and expensive sports tickets' bestowed by wealthy friends behind at least 38 destination vacations," and seeing their, " . . . position on our nation’s highest court as a way to upgrade (their) own lifestyle via (their) billionaire benefactor social circle.”
Justice Thomas is the recent, current example but I'm sure there are others - on the left side too.
Judge Ho wasn't honest enough to say BLATANT CORRUPTION is THE problem.
There is a good speech about forum selling inside the longer one he gave.
What's in a name?
The whining in these comments are great! Worth making the speech.
Who cares if a judge is a self-deluded asshole! He made some internet commenters “whine.” That’s what’s important!
"That’s what’s important!"
Making you personally mad is the highest goal possible, yes.
This focus on where the judge lives seems strange to me. Judges are selected precisely for their skill as lawyers; whether they reflect the policy views of a particular constituency is not (or should not be) relevant. And it seems like a doubly strange preoccupation for a guy who lives in Dallas but decides cases from the most rural areas of three different states.
This also seems strange, given that the proposal did not, as far as I can tell, say anything about where cases would be heard.
Yes! I pointed that out several times in response to some of Blackman's screeds. This proposal, and this issue, is about judicial assignment, not about where the case is physically heard. The judge could travel rather than the litigants.
"The judge could travel rather than the litigants."
And how likely is THAT? Very unlikely, IMO. (Although many judges today will let you appear by phone or Zoom for routine appearances, trials they make you come there.)
Judges in my district travel to other court sites all the time, including for trial. Judge Ho certainly knows that, since that's what he himself does every time he sits on a panel! There's certainly nothing in the Judicial Conference proposal that would suggest the reassignment would move the place of trial from the division where it was originally filed.
"judge could travel"
Get on their horse and ride circuit!
If they don't like it, I guarantee that there are no shortage of qualified lawyers who would be more than happy to trade jobs with them.
They can both dislike it and just not do it. Its good to be federal judge.
Judges are selected precisely for their skill as lawyers; whether they reflect the policy views of a particular constituency is not (or should not be) relevant. And it seems like a doubly strange preoccupation for a guy who lives in Dallas but decides cases from the most rural areas of three different states.
Come on, you know better than that. The issue is not where judge lives, but where the Courthouse is that the litigant has to travel to.
And, yes, Circuit judges sit in appellate Circuits that cover multiple states. So what? He is talking about the district court, where most of the legal business gets done, and where the inconvenience of traveling to attend a hearing or trial would have the most effect. At the appellate level, traveling is a minor inconvenience at best.
If that's the issue, why did Judge Ho focus exclusively on where the judges live, rather than where the cases will be heard? And why is he so worked up about a proposal that would change where the judge who hears certain cases lives, but wouldn't change which courthouse it's heard in?
It never occurred to me to complain about having to travel from Nashville to Cincinnati (a five hour drive) when I argued before the U. S. Court of Appeals.
Oh, this is also pretty disingenuous—the point of the article is that the Third Circuit has favorable substantive law, not that the judges are personally more favorably disposed towards the government’s argument. Indeed, pace Judge Ho, the animating issue here isn’t forum shopping or “forum shaming”—its judge shopping (and a little judge shaming wouldn’t hurt).
So what? It's still forum shopping, just another flavor. The most natural place to sue Apple is it's home state, California. What's the connection to NJ? Favorable 3d Circuit law.
1. I presume by “favorable substantive law” you mean precedents and so on. I assume the actual federal law itself is uniform across the US – it is simply the judicial encrustations that differ ?
2. It’s not obvious to me why I should find judge shopping more scary than forum shopping. They both seem to be species of the same genus – the availabity of differing fields of play, which the plaintiff can choose to acquire an advantage over the other side.
Just as the single judge division is just one particular example of “pick a friendly judge”, “pick a friendly judge” is just one example of “pick yourself a friendly court.”
"favorable substantive law, not that the judges are personally more favorably"
Distinction without a difference. Its still forum shopping.
Federal district judges are not going to travel to hear a randomly assigned case 5.5 hours by car away. Nor should they. What an incredible waste of resources and time. Even by air, you are losing nearly a full day on travel time. For similar reasons, litigants shouldn't have to do so either.
As Judge Ho notes, the issue isn't single judge divisions. It is that a single judge (regardless of location) can issue an injunction that operates nationwide.
Federal district judges do, in fact, travel to different court sites when business requires. In some districts, they do it quite a bit! And while COVID restrictions made some of them more reasonable, plenty of district judges are perfectly happy to insist that people come from a lot further than 5.5 hours away for hearings.
Hell, there are some judges that make lawyers travel for hours for 10-minute status conferences. (Fewer than in the pre-COVID era, but some.)
Has there ever been a federal judge as aptly named as Ho?
The problem with forum shopping is that there are judges on Eric Rudolph’s side of the culture war who are willing to cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil. (A Man for All Seasons: A Play in Two Acts, 1960) It is unsurprising that ideological plaintiffs will seek them out in deciding where to file suit.