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Law Enforcement Trainers File Scotus Amicus Brief against Maryland Rifle Ban
Citizens should be able to choose the same high-quality defensive arms that peace officers choose
Last week the International Law Enforcement Educators & Trainers Association filed an amicus brief in a U.S. Supreme Court case challenging Maryland's ban on many common semiautomatic rifles. The case is Bianchi v. Brown, and it has an unusual procedural posture; it is a petition for certiorari before judgement. Yet the case is one on which the U.S. Supreme Court has already ruled.
This post will first summarize the amicus brief, and then provide the procedural background, which is detailed in the Bianchi plaintiffs' cert. petition.
The facts about the banned rifles
As detailed in the amicus brief, the semiautomatic rifles banned by the Maryland General Assembly fire only one shot each time the trigger is pressed. This is the same rate of fire as the most common semiautomatic handguns, such as those made by Glock, Smith & Wesson, or Ruger.
The claim by gun prohibition advocates that such guns fire 300 to 500 times per minute has no basis in fact, and is contrary to common sense. It would take a superhuman trigger finger pull a trigger at the rate of 5 to 8 times per second, let alone do so for a full minute.
Nor are the banned rifles, including those based on the AR-15 platform, more powerful than nonbanned rifles. To the contrary, their standard ammunition is .223 inch or 5.56mm bullets that are small compared to most other rifle ammunition. Accordingly, their kinetic energy is lower.
Because the banned rifles are more powerful than handguns, but less powerful than most other rifles, the relatively low wounding power of this ammunition has been confirmed by decades of study by the US Army's Ballistic Research Laboratory.
Moreover, as documented in police training manuals, the banned rifles are the safest for defensive use within buildings, because their ammunition is especially unlikely to penetrate a wall.
The deadliest firearms in mass shootings are handguns. Researchers led by Dr. Babak Sarani, founder and chief of the Center for Trauma and Critical Care at George Washington University Hospital, examined the relationship between the type of firearm used, wounding characteristics, and probability of death in mass shootings. Babak Sarani, et al., Wounding Patterns Based on Firearm Type in Civilian Public Mass Shootings in the United States, 228 J. Amer. College Surgeons 228 (Mar. 2019). They studied firearm types and autopsy reports for 232 victims from 23 mass shootings, including high-casualty shootings with "assault weapons" at Orlando and Las Vegas.
Surprisingly, the researchers found that mass shootings with handguns are more lethal than those with rifles because handguns result in more wounds per victim and more injuries to vital organs. Id. at 228-29, 232-33. "All of us were shocked," Dr. Sarani said. "We came to the table with our bias that an assault weapon would be worse." Carolyn Crist, Handguns More Lethal Than Rifles in Mass Shootings, Reuters (Dec. 31, 2018).
Law enforcement perspectives
Because the banned rifles are relatively low-powered, their recoil is lower, and hence they are more accurate. Additionally, the rifles are replete with features (outlawed by Maryland) that enhance accuracy.
For example, a telescoping stock can adjust for a precise fit to the user's size. The customizable forward grip provides stability. Surrounding the barrel are rails (sometimes called the handguard or forend) that make it easy to add optics, such as scopes, red dots, and/or flashlights – all for greater accuracy.
So it is no wonder that these semiautomatic rifles are very commonly chosen by law enforcement officers to carry in their patrol cars. Law enforcement officers choose their patrol rifles for only one purpose: lawful defense of self and others. It is preposterous for a legislature to claim (falsely) that these rifles are "weapons of war," are useless for self-defense, and are made only for mass killing. This is a libel against law-abiding law enforcement officers.
Prudently, American citizens have always looked to law enforcement for guidance in choosing defensive firearms, because law enforcement firearms are selected with care. Officers choose their duty arms for one purpose: lawful defense of self and others.
The most important reason why citizens often do and should copy law enforcement officers' firearms selections is to ensure that citizens will have reliable firearms for defense. Officers' arms are well-suited for defense against violent criminals; and they are appropriate for use in civil society.
Law enforcement officers are not soldiers wielding weapons of war, and their interactions with citizens are not governed by rules of engagement for the battlefield. The challenged statute implicitly denigrates peace officers by treating them like an occupying army. Such negative attitudes make the public less willing to cooperate with law enforcement and damage community relations.
Procedural background
In 2013, the Maryland General Assembly enacted a sweeping ban on many semiautomatic rifles, particularly targeting those that are most useful for lawful defense of self and others. The ban was promptly challenged in Kolbe v. Hogan, a case which went through the complete discovery process.
At the time, the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals, like most but not all other Circuits, evaluated Second Amendment cases under a "Two-Part Test," which was similar to the three tiers of scrutiny that had been used for free speech and equal protection cases. The district court applied a weak form of intermediate scrutiny and upheld the ban. Kolbe v. O'Malley, 42 F. Supp. 3d 768 (D. Md. 2014). Then, a three-judge panel of the Fourth Circuit held that -- because the statute banned many common arms -- strict scrutiny was the proper standard. Kolbe v. Hogan, 813 F.3d 160 (4th Cir. 2016)
Before the remanded case could be decided the the District Court, the Fourth Circuit took the case en banc, and the majority ruled hat the banned arms are not even covered by the Second Amendment. By the en banc majority's theory, lightly premised on a tendentious reading of the Supreme Court's District of Columbia v. Heller, arms that are mainly suitable for military use are not part of the Second Amendment. Kolbe v. Hogan, 849 F.3d 114 (4th Cir. 2017).
The majority rationale was out of touch with current facts, since no military in the world uses semiautomatic-only rifles. The U.S. military and others choose service rifles that are capable of automatic fire. More fundamentally, the Kolbe majority rationale would deny Second Amendment protection to the very arms with which Americans won their War of Independence -- namely the personally-owned muskets and rifles that American Patriots brought to service, because those were the arms that the States and the colonies had specified by statute were the best arms for the militia.
When plaintiffs petitioned for certiorari, Randy Barnett, Ilya Shapiro, Joseph Greenlee, and I wrote an amicus brief on behalf of the National Sheriffs' Association and other organizations. Certiorari was denied in 2017. At the time, the Supreme Court was refusing to take almost any case involving the Second Amendment. (The only notable exception was Caetono v. Massachusetts, a 2016 challenge to the now-defunct Massachusetts ban on electric stun guns.)
A new case, challenging only the gun ban (and not other 2013 items, such as a magazine ban) was filed in 2020. The District Court quickly dismissed the case based on Kolbe, and a Fourth Circuit panel tersely affirmed. Plaintiffs petitioned for certiorari.
A few days after the Supreme Court decided New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen, the Court granted, vacated, and remanded three cases for reconsideration in light of Bruen. One of them was the Maryland firearms ban case, now known as Bianchi v. Frosh. 142 S. Ct. 2898, 2899 (Mem.) (2022). (The other two cases were magazine bans from the Third and Ninth Circuits.)
The June 2022 remand led to oral argument before a three-judge Fourth Circuit panel in December 2022. The panel took over a year to write an opinion. Then, while the draft opinion was presumably being circulated among the Circuit's other judges, the Fourth Circuit sua sponte took the case away from the panel, and in January 2024 took the case en banc. The iron rule of Fourth Circuit jurisprudence has always been that no decision in support of a Second Amendment plaintiff can survive the process of appellate review. See Kopel, Data Indicate Second Amendment Underenforcement, 68 Duke Law Journal Online 79 (2018) (also noting same problem in Second and Ninth Circuits).
The Bianchi plaintiffs, represented by David Thompson of the D.C. constitutional litigation boutique Cooper & Kirk, petitioned for certiorari before judgement. They argued that the Fourth Circuit's dilatory procedures are an obvious attempt to evade Supreme Court precedent, which clearly dictates a ruling against the Maryland ban.
Perhaps as result of the cert. petition, the Fourth Circuit has scheduled a prompt en banc oral argument, on March 20.
Shortly after the Bianchi petition for certiorari before final judgement was filed, similar petitions were filed for several cases involving an especially draconian gun ban enacted in Illinois in 2023. The results in the district courts on preliminary injunction motions had been mixed, and the Seventh Circuit considered them all together. In Bevis v. City of Naperville, 85 F.4th 1175 (7th Cir. 2023), a three-judge panel led by Judge Easterbrook relied on Kolbe, and held that the banning of a vast number of common firearms had nothing to do with the Second Amendment. In his view, the Second Amendment does not apply to arms "reserved to the military."
Judge Easterbrook's opinion would have been doctrinally solid if he had been interpreting the Mexican Constitution's right to arms, which states:
Article 10. The inhabitants of the United Mexican States have a right to arms in their homes, for security and legitimate defense, with the exception of arms prohibited by federal law and those reserved for the exclusive use of the Army, Navy, Air Force, and National Guard. Federal law will determine the cases, conditions, requirements, and places in which the carrying of arms will be authorized to the inhabitants.
See Kopel, Mexico's Gun Control Laws: A Model for the United States? 18 Texas Review of Law & Politics 27 (2013). But even if the U.S. constitutional right to arms had copied Mexico's, Judge Easterbrook still would have been wrong on the facts, because the arms banned in Illinois are not used by the U.S. military. And despite what Judge Easterbrook claimed, the banned firearms do not function like machine guns.
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It's long past time for judicial candidates to be tested for knowledge of the law and the facts of matters likely to come before their bench, and for cognitive status, before being seated by any process of election or appointment.
Great idea. You could call it a "confirmation hearing" or something...
"In his view, the Second Amendment does not apply to arms "reserved to the military.""
Has US v Miller ever been explicitly overturned? "The Court cannot take judicial notice that a shotgun having a barrel less than 18 inches long has today any reasonable relation to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia, and therefore cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees to the citizen the right to keep and bear such a weapon."
I know Scalia kind of stood it on its head in Heller, but still, isn't Miller still controlling Supreme court precedent on whether the 2nd amendment applies to firearms suitable for military purposes?
In Miller the Court "could not take notice..." because no arguments were presented, no brief filed, that short shotguns had military purposes. Not a solid precedent.
Still, they indicated that was the test.
Anyway, at some point the Court is going to have to start handing out summary reversals, or the circuits will render its 2nd amendment decisions void for lack of enforcement.
Not much hope with the likes of KBJ with this exchange today
Kentaji Brown Jackson grills LA solicitor general, says that because the govt can occasionally censor, they can also occasionally coerce:
KBJ: “Whether or not the government can do this… depends on the application of our First Amendment jurisprudence.
There may be circumstances in which the government could prohibit certain speech on the internet or otherwise.”
KBJ doubles down: “My biggest concern is that your view has the First Amendment hamstringing the government in significant ways.”
That is, quite literally, the entire point of the First Amendment—of the entire Bill of Rights
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I was taking it as a given that the 3 'liberal' justices would continue to dissent from any rulings upholding the 2nd amendment.
Jared Polis' homosexual penis is a weapon of mass destruction.
Article 10. The inhabitants of the United Mexican States have a right to arms in their homes, for security and legitimate defense, with the exception of arms prohibited by federal law and those reserved for the exclusive use of the Army, Navy, Air Force, and National Guard. Federal law will determine the cases, conditions, requirements, and places in which the carrying of arms will be authorized to the inhabitants.
Interesting.
This is the mirror image of the pre-1868 situation in the U.S, where the Constitution severely restricted federal gun control laws, but did not impose any restraint on the states on this subject matter.
This provision in the Mexican Constitution effectively makes gun control the sole subject matter of the Mexican feds.
I must wonder what the jurisprudence is. Did courts strike down any and all Mexican states' attempts to enact gun control laws, ruling it as an encroachment on exclusive federal jurisdiction?
Or did they allow state gun control laws due to specious reasoning?
Out of my lane, but I think the Mexican (and similar European) restrictions are about making the military and civilian arms incompatible, by e.g. not allowing civilian ownership of weapons in the same caliber as the military. That's why, for example, .38 Super 1911's were popular south of the border. The idea, I think, was that potential revolutionaries couldn't get ammo by raiding the local military armory.
Right, the Mexican provision had precisely the inverse purpose of the 2nd amendment; The 2nd aimed to secure the people against the government, and the Mexican to secure the government against the people.
I continue to think that we need to take the framers' direction on militias seriously. The idea wasn't to have unregulated private ownership of arms, but that everyone would be part of a militia and bear arms as part of their civic duty to defend the government (as the Second Amendment and the Militia Acts say).
But having said that, I think the gun rights movement has a very strong position on semiautomatic rifles. These things seem to me to exactly the sort of guns that are suitable for militia service, and also, the bans on them tend to focus on how "scary" the guns are rather than how dangerous they are. I wish we'd do much more to require people to get training and submit to discipline and not just order these things from a catalogue or buy them at a gun show, but I think there's a reasonable argument that this is exactly the sort of armament that an armed populace envisioned by the framers would be expected to possess.
"The idea wasn’t to have unregulated private ownership of arms, but that everyone would be part of a militia and bear arms as part of their civic duty to defend the government "
I'm really face palming here. Right, they literally wrote that 'the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed' in the freaking Bill of Rights because they DIDN'T want unregulated private ownership of arms. [/sarc]
I mean, if they'd JUST wanted everybody to be part of a militia and bear arms as part of their civic duty, they might have written something like,
"Congress shall have power... To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;"
Seems like that would have covered it, no?
But WTF are they doing mentioning this stuff in the bill of RIGHTS, not the bill of powers, or the bill of duties? Keeping in mind that you write a bill of rights to prohibit the government from doing something wrong, not to aid the government in doing something right?
Maybe they had some thought like, "Whereas civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms."
Maybe they guaranteed, yes, exactly a PRIVATE right to arms, so that you'd have the armed population from which a militia could be raised, even if the people running the government didn't WANT it to be possible to raise a militia? Maybe the point was, in fact, exactly to have unregulated private ownership of arms, because they didn't TRUST the government they were creating to only regulate arms benignly?
Yep. If the Framers wanted the 2nd Amendment to refer only to the militia, seems they would have said, “…the right of the militia to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”.
Not "only" to militia. Rather, you guys were going to serve in it and serve the government, not yourselves.
Yes, the Bill of Rights was famously intended to compel the citizenry to serve the government. [/facepalm]
Brett, the same people who passed the Second Amendment passed a universal militia service law.
That's right, and they work together. But not in the way you apparently think.
Why did they want a militia system? Why did they prohibit army appropriations for longer than 2 years, and write a guarantee of the right of the "people" to keep and bear arms in the bill of "rights"?
Again, you don't write things into a bill of rights to enable the government to do the right thing. You write them into it to prevent the government from doing the wrong thing!
So, what is that wrong thing they were so concerned about?
They were concerned that a future government might set out to oppress the people by military means, much as the British had done to them! And there are TWO elements to oppressing the people by military means:
1) The government having arms in the hands of obedient soldiers.
2) The people NOT having arms to defend themselves.
Relying on the militia system was supposed to deny the government reliably obedient soldiers; A militia was anticipated to REFUSE to be used in some ways. It wouldn't willingly oppress the people because it was the people! In an emergency, it would take the people's side, not the government's.
BUT. A government that none the less wanted to oppress the people might try to approximate a standing army, by the creation of a select militia, composed only of citizens thought to be reliably obedient. A militia only in name, a standing army in reality, with the general populace disarmed. So, how to prevent this?
You prevent this "select" militia by guaranteeing, not to the militia, but to the people, a right to be armed in the appropriate way, so that even a government that sets out to have a standing army faces a populace that can throw together a militia anyway, despite the government having wanted to get rid of the militia system.
And, to that end, it actually IS important that it be an unregulated right to arms, because the scenario they envisioned was one where the regulations would be issued in bad faith, with the objective of disarming the people, not making sure they were effectively armed.
And this is the very thing we face today, you know: Government regulation of firearms doesn't have the goal of making sure the people are an effective fighting force, quite the contrary: It quite openly sets out to DENY the people arms suitable for military use, and ideally any arms at all.
We are in exactly the scenario the founders envisioned and were concerned about: A government that has built up a standing army, and wants its population disarmed and defenseless. And face regulations crafted specifically to accomplish that.
EXACTLY the sort of regulation of private arms the founders wrote the 2nd amendment to prohibit.
What about those of us now too old to fight? Am I, a 62-y o woman, simply to be deprived of the means of self-defense?
I don't think this sort of bigotry will go very far.
Nope
I think the idea is that you should be equally unable to defend yourself and others.
Science denier among gun-banners, s that only look at "scary"?
Here's what the science says: Because of their short (18" typical) barrels, the AR-15-style rifles are about 20% less powerful than full-sized (24" barrel) rifles of the very same caliber (physics: energy equals force times distance, the force being from the burning gunpowder, the distance being the barrel's bore length). For what it's worth, they are only about one-third as powerful as the M1903 Springfield (bolt action) rifles used by the US Army in World War I, 120 years ago.
The original AR-15s had 20" barrels. Colt and others used to also sell a civilian "carbine" version with a 16" barrel. 18" barrels may be more popular these days; I don't know much about the US gun scene anymore, so that could be the new "standard".
"...not just order these things from a catalogue or buy them at a gun show..."
Any firearms ordered from a catalogue (or a website) have to be shipped to a federal firearms licensee (AKA licensed gun dealer) to perform an FBI background check and whatever state requirements there are. As far as a gun show, some states allow private parties to sell without a background check at any place. Dealers are required to do a background check everywhere, even at gun shows.
Once again Kopel fiddles with analysis because he wants statistics to prove Al Kaline was the best hitter ever to play the game. There is some truth in the statistics, but the analysis is bonkers.
Kopel:
Nor are the banned rifles, including those based on the AR-15 platform, more powerful than nonbanned rifles. To the contrary, their standard ammunition is .223 inch or 5.56mm bullets that are small compared to most other rifle ammunition. Accordingly, their kinetic energy is lower.
Who cares? Babe Ruth was a better hitter than Al Kaline.
The supposedly low-powered AR-15 is the one the school shooters reach for. Those non-banned rifles Kopel mentions? They don't show up much in mass shootings.
Turns out ballistic power by itself is not a particularly useful indictor of criminal lethality, as revealed in practice. Kopel knows that, of course, but he writes today to provide gun lovers with rhetorical ammunition powerful enough to help them make suckers of themselves.
That low-powered gun Kopel is pushing? It is markedly more powerful than the most powerful pistol in common usage, the infamous .44 Magnum. Which is a gun even experienced law enforcement officers tend to eschew. It is too punishingly uncontrollable for even most skilled and physically powerful shooters.
Kopel knows the AR-15 with .223 ammunition is not only more ballistically powerful than the .44 Magnum pistol, but because of a carefully engineered range characteristics beyond mere ballistic power, the AR-15 is a weapon novice shooters find especially easy to fire and control. In short, an AR-15 firing .223 is a weapon much better adapted to mass shootings—at least in the judgment of would-be mass shooters across a broad range of shooting skills and physical capacities. They show that by demonstrating revealed preferences. Almost none of those ever shows up to riddle a classroom with a .44 Magnum.
It's an easy analysis, like comparing Ruth's batting recored to Kaline's. If you do that and come out touting Kaline over Ruth, no one should take you seriously. Kaline wasn't even the best hitter to come out of Baltimore.
Just to make sure I understand your position, you want to ban .223 caliber AR-15 rifles, but not for example .308 caliber AR-10's (or the AR-15's made in 44 magnum) because they don't have the same propensity for misuse, in your opinion?
Yeah. Just consider all those lucky Germans a Japanese that were just shot with 30.06 rounds from an M1 rather than an M16.
Absaroka, I am not into hypotheticals based on gun pedantry. For now, I recognize the unique position the AR-15 firing .223 has earned in public infamy. If those others suddenly start to demonstrate similar publicly destructive tendencies, it will be time to deal with them then.
So then, no limiting principle? Ban any guns that criminals misuse?
Since there aren't any guns that aren't suitable for criminal misuse, it seems you want to ban all guns. And that's OK, just be up front about what you want.
Would not a better idea be to punish misuse of firearms, if said misuse directly endangers people, or actually hurts people?
Absaroka, you apparently did not notice—preferred not to notice, I think—that I just suggested NOT banning without evidence the very guns you mentioned.
More generally, your counterfactuals about my commentary are proof of nothing except your own cognitive state. Paranoid delusion is best left aside while advocating the case for gun rights. Sane people who are not deluded see that as a field mark of personal unreliability.
"Absaroka, you apparently did not notice—preferred not to notice, I think—that I just suggested NOT banning without evidence the very guns you mentioned."
To the contrary, I heard that loud and clear. You are saying "my numbers say that drunk drivers mostly drink gin, so let's ban gin. Gin is especially suited to drunk driving, because bayonet lugs, small caliber, barrel shrouds, etc. I'm not interested in banning booze in general, just gin". And when I ask about rum and vodka and bourbon, your answer is "I don't want to get bogged down in booze pedantry, we'll talk about vodka later".
Absaroka, note also that I have continuously advocated even at-will access to fully automatic weapons if stored and used under military discipline for militia purposes.
The militia clause is an excellent limiting principle, so long as its use is confined to limit the 2A purpose for arms use. Actual originalist analysis— with "actual,” used to distinguish legitimate analytical means from the stupidity practiced by Thomas in Bruen, for instance—makes clear that other purposes, including personal self-defense, were left to the discretion of the states.
As an aside, I suggest that this remark from Einstein applies: “The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits.”
Right, you continuously advocate a system that effectuates the exact evil the 2nd amendment was written to prohibit: A select militia that is functionally indistinguishable from a standing army, while the general population can be effectively disarmed.
Handguns are BY FAR the weapon of chice for mass shootings
https://www.statista.com/statistics/476409/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-weapon-types-used/
What about drive-by shootings by gangbangers?
Again, mostly handguns, because they are easily concealable.
So, on rare occasions, a handful of AR-15s have been used in school shootings and the like, out the more than 20 million in private hands in this country. Essentially banning a couple million AR-15s for every one used in a mass shooting. And, of course, ignoring that handguns are the weapon used in most such shootings, and almost all murders (and suicides). The fact remains that AR-15s are very rarely used in crimes of any sort - easily fewer than 5% every year (the rough percentage for all long guns). Probably closer to 1%-2%. That means that statistically, among all firearms used in crimes, they are well below the median, in terms of dangerousness (~5% of all guns in the country vs ~1%-2% of guns used in crimes). And, indeed, according to the cited brief, they are less dangerous than other rifles, in an urban environment, due to their lesser ability to penetrate walls, etc.
Hayden, all that consequentialist blather is ruled out of consideration by Bruen. Under Bruen, gun pedantry itself is ruled pointless for purposes of gun rights debates. Like gun control advocates, gun rights advocates are going to have get used to the notion that Bruen—in reasoning verging on actual insanity in my opinion—ruled out almost the entire existing body of gun advocacy, whether pro or con.
While Maryland argues that not all semi-auto rifles are banned, they fail to make a non-arbitrary distinction between those banned and those not banned. By allowing that some semi-auto rifles are within the protection of the second amendment, it is incumbent on Maryland to show why AR15s in particular are outside that protection. AR15 (banned) and M1 Carbines (which are not banned) are both semi-auto and have basically the same rate of fire. Moreover, M1 Carbines were at one time actual military issue arms, while AR15s are civilian versions of current military arms. M1 Carbines have been supplied to citizens through the Civilian Marksmanship Program, but notably the full auto version (M2 Carbine) of that rifle is restricted by the National Firearms act. This makes plain that the divide is between semi-auto and full auto, not whether a rifle is military style or not.
Other language from Heller supports the conclusion that the divide is between semi-auto and full auto, not appearance. From Heller: “We may as well consider at this point (for we will have to consider eventually) what types of weapons Miller permits. Read in isolation, Miller’s phrase “part of ordinary military equipment” could mean that only those weapons useful in warfare are protected. That would be a startling reading of the opinion, since it would mean that the National Firearms Act’s restrictions on machineguns (not challenged in Miller) might be unconstitutional, machineguns being useful in warfare in 1939. We think that Miller’s “ordinary military equipment” language must be read in tandem with what comes after: “[O]rdinarily when called for [militia] service [able-bodied] men were expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in common use at the time.” 307 U. S., at 179. The traditional militia was formed from a pool of men bringing arms “in common use at the time” for lawful purposes like self-defense. “In the colonial and revolutionary war era, [small-arms] weapons used by militiamen and weapons used in defense of person and home were one and the same.” State v. Kessler, 289 Ore. 359, 368, 614 P. 2d 94, 98 (1980) (citing G. Neumann, Swords and Blades of the American Revolution 6–15, 252–254 (1973)”
1) Above, the Heller court specifically calls out machine guns.
2) The Heller court did not limit the “in common use” test to self defense.
From Heller:
“It may be objected that if weapons that are most useful in military service—M-16 rifles and the like—may be banned, then the Second Amendment right is completely detached from the prefatory clause. But as we have said, the conception of the militia at the time of the Second Amendment’s ratification was the body of all citizens capable of military service, who would bring the sorts of lawful weapons that they possessed at home to militia duty. It may well be true today that a militia, to be as effective as militias in the 18th century, would require sophisticated arms that are highly unusual in society at large. Indeed, it may be true that no amount of small arms could be useful against modern-day bombers and tanks. But the fact that modern developments have limited the degree of fit between the prefatory clause and the protected right cannot change our interpretation of the right.”
Certain judges have fixated on the words “and the like” in the above cite and have concluded that AR-15s are in same category as M-16s and thus outside the protection of the second amendment. But since the National Firearms Act of 1934, the critical distinction between those arms which citizens may freely possess, as opposed to those arms which require additional tax and special permitting, has been semi-automatic versus full automatic functionality. The possession of M-16s and other full automatic firearms (machine guns) has been heavily regulated.
Unlike M-16s, semi-automatic rifles are not highly unusual in society at large. Nor are AR-15s in particular highly unusual in society at large. What distinguishes AR-15s from other semi-automatic rifles that are commonly not included in assault weapon bans is that AR-15s are civilian versions of current military hardware. If anything, this compatibility is a plus in terms of second amendment protection. Note that an early state court case, Aymette vs TN (1840), said plainly that the citizens have the unqualified right to keep arms of the type used “in civilized warfare.” Also the US Supreme Court in US vs Miller (1939) taught “With obvious purpose to assure the continuation and render possible the effectiveness of such forces the declaration and guarantee of the Second Amendment were made. It must be interpreted and applied with that end in view.” Some degree of uniformity/compatibility of arms between the citizens and the regular military is needed to make possible an effective fighting force. Therefore, civilian versions of current military arms are essential, this remains so even if certain features such as full auto capability are restricted in civilian versions of the “ordinary military equipment” referred to in Miller.
Lastly, AR-15s are little more sophisticated than the M1 carbines and less powerful than the M1 Garands that the government has supplied to individuals via the Civilian Marksmanship Program, which presumably is a lawful purpose.
Hansberry, are you unaware that almost every cite you reference is ruled out of consideration by the, "originalist," methods Justice Thomas prescribed in Bruen?
"But the fact that modern developments have limited the degree of fit between the prefatory clause and the protected right cannot change our interpretation of the right.”"
This was such a dishonest line, it filled me with disgust for Scalia.
Modern developments didn't do anything to limit the fit between the protected right and the prefatory clause. Modern developments in legislation violated the protected right, and deliberately so.
And the Court, instead of upholding the right, fine tuned their interpretation of it in order to permit that violation. To divorce the right as THEY interpreted it from the purpose announced by the prefatory clause.
The founders guaranteed us the right to "every terrible implement of the soldier". Scalia shrank it down to "every inoffensive implement of the Fudd". Because he personally shrank from the purpose of the amendment.
I agree with you regarding Scalia's watering down of the types of arms the second amendment protects. All the terrible implements of the soldier should are protected by 2A. However, that particular comment from Scalia was dicta (because Heller was only about a right to keep a hand gun for self defense), it is binding only on lower courts. At some point there might come a challenge to SCOTUS on what types of arms are protected on the basis of an individual's right to keep and bear arms for the common defense, as opposed to self defense.
That said, semi-auto firearms are not implicated by Scalia's comment. So we need not insist that M16s are protected when making the case that civilian versions of current military firearms are protected for self defense as well as other lawful purposes; which include sporting purposes, marksmanship training, and of course the common defense.
"The challenged statute implicitly denigrates peace officers by treating them like an occupying army. Such negative attitudes make the public less willing to cooperate with law enforcement and damage community relations."
This might be the worst argument I have ever heard from a licensed attorney. Asking the Court to void a law because its tone is bad policy? Should they rewrite statutes for style, as well?
(And of course that weird interpretation is weird - the law doesn't denigrate cops unless you believe that cops shouldn't be bound by laws at all, and that the mere fact of passing one is an insult.)
I agree, it's a crazy take. Not the least because the police, as government employees who bear arms for use against the citizenry, ARE in some relevant sense an occupying army.
You can not like the implications of that all you want, but that's how the founders would have viewed our modern police.
Armed? Check.
Given privileges denied the average citizen? Check.
They're an occupying army. Sir Robert Peel would not recognize modern police.
"To maintain at all times a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and that the public are the police, the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence. "
Does this sound ANYTHING like a modern police force? At all?
Step 1: “We can’t have magazine limits because I seent a video of this guy who can reload in less than a second!”
Step 2: “We can’t limit availability of semi-automatic rifles because ‘It would take a superhuman trigger finger pull a trigger at the rate of 5 to 8 times per second, let alone do so for a full minute.’”
Btw, Step 2 is also part of the argument *in favor* of bump stocks…
Yeah, an awful lot of stupid arguments come out of trying to deal with the Court's unprincipled approach to this topic.
We've got an amendment that was supposed to guarantee to the citizenry the right to be armed in parity with the government's own soldiers, both so that average citizens could become quickly useful militia members, AND so that the government would not have a military advantage over its own population.
But that's a view of the proper relationship between government and citizen that's alien to the modern jurist, and so the Court can't bring itself to enforce the amendment as it was intended to function.
A minority on the Court would like to render the amendment wholly moot, unenforceable, because they have affirmatively rejected the amendment as undesirable, and think that's what you do with bad parts of the Constitution: Construe them to be moot.
The Court's majority isn't prepared to go that far, but also isn't willing to fully enforce the amendment, either. So they're trying to find some unprincipled compromise position halfway between the right that was actually guaranteed, and no right at all.
But, of course, unprincipled compromise positions are really hard to create plausible defenses for.
I'd be curious about the "Framer's" intent for the "Militia". To me the "Militia" would augment the Country's Armed Forces in a time of emergency. That would almost require the ownership of military grade firepower.
That's actually backwards.
The original notion was that the US military was to only be for defensive purposes. You'd have the militia, which would exist all the time, and be distributed across the entire country. In case of an invasion they'd be the primary response. They'd either deal with it entirely, or buy time to raise an army to do the job.
The army was to supplement the militia when emergencies came up the militia couldn't handle by itself.
Come on Brett, you are throwing the baby out with the bath water.
Aside from which force was to augment the other, the point jimc5499 made was that the militia certainly needs military grade firepower to be effective.
Yes, they do. And that means that the general population the militia is drawn from has a right to that firepower. And did have that right for most of the country's history!
It has to be remembered that this whole distinction between military and civilian arms began in living memory. When I was a child they were still selling surplus 20mm anti-materiel guns mail order out of ads in the backs of magazines. It wasn't until 1986 that regular citizens were barred from purchasing brand spanking new machine guns.
For almost the entire history of this country, this distinction they're placing so much weight on Did. Not. Exist. Civilian and military arms were largely interchangeable.
They could go back to being interchangeable tomorrow, we could end this whole sorry experiment in civilian disarmament, and gun control would just be a blip in the long history of this country.
True, but one fight at a time.
The ban on machine guns does not implicate AR15s and other semi-automatic firearms. Makes sense to focus on winning the present battle, then see if SCOTUS will at some point in future take a challenge to machine gun bans.
My guess is that SCOTUS will never agree to hear such a challenge. They will likely again reinforce the NFA at same time as striking down most restrictions on possession of semi-automatic firearms.
Reinforcing the NFA would be a bad outcome from an originalist POV, but upholding bans on semi-automatic firearms that have been commonly owned for well over 50 years is far worse.
Right.
We lost our 2nd amendment rights over the course of generations, and it's going to take generations to get them back. Heller was a start, but what's got to happen is that we push Heller as far as the Court is prepared to go, then a decade or so of fractionally restored 2nd amendment rights without disaster results in a new generation of jurists who are a bit less skittish about guns, a bit more of the 2nd amendment gets restored, rinse and repeat.
Of course, the first step of that program isn't pushing Heller as far as it can go. It's doing something about the law schools that will be turning out those jurists. Right now they're unapologetic left-wing indoctrination camps. It's not going to be long before a conservative President will simply lack for right-wing judicial nominees because everyone coming out of law school has been educated to be a Marxist!
I like the rule that weapons used by police are presumptively allowed to ordinary citizens, but the Supreme Court would have to invent it because it is hard to see in precedent. The rule is easier to administer than "history and tradition". It allows for state to state variation. If a gun control state tells SWAT teams to give up 30 round magazines, it can tell its citizens to give them up too.
True. The only 2A-defensible rule is that weapons used by the military are presumptively allowed to ordinary citizens, otherwise the militia could not be of Constitutional use. The weapons used by the police are wholly irrelevant in this context.