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More on Why Immigration is not "Invasion"
Legal scholars Frank Bowman and Steve Vladeck weigh in on Texas's dangerous argument.

I have previously criticized Texas's badly flawed argument that illegal immigration and cross-border drug smuggling qualify as an "invasion," thereby triggering the state's constitutional authority to "engage in war" in response (see also here). Prominent legal scholars Frank Bowman (Univ. of Missouri) and Steve Vladeck (Univ. of Texas) have recently posted articles on the same topic, at Just Security and Lawfare, respectively.
Bowman offers a detailed originalist critique of the invasion argument, surveying a number of relevant founding-era sources:
Throughout the Constitutional Convention and the state ratification debates that followed, delegates and commentators used the term "invasion" over and over. With a handful of exceptions where "invasion" is used metaphorically, as when referring to an "invasion of rights," the word invariably refers to a hostile armed incursion into or against the territory of the states or the nation, an incursion that must be met with a military response….
Section 10 of Article I reserves to the national government exclusively the conduct of foreign policy. It also prohibits states from maintaining regular armies and navies in time of peace, and absolutely bars them from "engag[ing] in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent danger as will not admit of delay."
In other words, the constitutional response to "invasion" is "war." Section 10, when read together with the provision of Article I, Section 8, that grants Congress the power "to declare war," confers the responsibility for national defense – for making war – on the national government. The Constitution leaves only one narrow exception for emergencies in which states can "engage in War" if they are "actually invaded" or under imminent threat of invasion or a "Danger" so great that it would merit war in response….
At no point in the Constitutional Convention or any of the state ratification debates does anyone, except when speaking metaphorically, employ "invasion" to describe a non-violent, non-military event…..
More to the present point, absolutely no one at the Constitutional Convention or the state ratification debates used the word to connote the peaceful movement of immigrants (lawful or otherwise) from one country to another.
I discussed the original meaning of "invasion" here, highlighting (among other things) James Madison's unequivocal statement that "Invasion is an operation of war."
Vladeck recognizes (correctly, I think), that an attack by nonstate actors could qualify as an invasion, but notes that does not mean illegal migration does:
In a recent case involving a dispute with the federal government over Texas's placement of movable buoys in the Rio Grande, Texas has claimed that "invasions" can come from non-state actors—and that what's happening in Texas right now is an invasion.
The argument that non-state actors can "invade" states is certainly a reasonable one—especially in light of the historical and contemporary examples of the United States engaging in armed conflict with entities other than the militaries of foreign states. But that's about as far as Texas's argument makes sense. Indeed, three different courts of appeals have already rejected arguments that an uptick in unauthorized border crossings by migrants could qualify as an "invasion" for constitutional purposes.
In Padavan v. United States, for instance, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit rejected a claim by New York state elected officials that federal immigration policies vis-à-vis undocumented immigrants were facilitating an "invasion": "In order for a state to be afforded the protections of the Invasion Clause, it must be exposed to armed hostility from another political entity, such as another state or foreign country that is intending to overthrow the state's government." The Third Circuit followed suit three months later in New Jersey v. United States, dismissing New Jersey's argument because "[i]t offers no support whatsoever for application of the Invasion Clause to this case or for its reading of the term 'invasion' to mean anything other than a military invasion." (And the Ninth Circuit echoed both in a subsequent ruling.) As these cases make clear, however far the term "invasion" might be stretched, extending them to unauthorized border crossings by unarmed migrants just doesn't come close. Nor should it. Recall that the purpose of the Invasion Clause is to permit a state to engage in war against those invading it. The idea that Texas could "engage" in a "war" against such (mostly unarmed) foreign nationals is little more than a rhetorical flourish….
Both Bowman and Vladeck make many good points. Both articles reading for anyone interested in this issue!
I don't fully agree with all of their arguments. Most notably, I am not sure I am convinced by Vladeck's claim that a federal statute could override a state's right to engage in war even in a situation where the state really is facing an invasion. But that issue does not arise in a situation where supposed invasion is really just some combination of illegal migration and smuggling.
Whatever the right policy response to these challenges (I think it's to make legal migration easier and to end the War on Drugs), their existence doesn't authorize a state to wage war, or the federal government to suspend the writ of habeas corpus. Under the Constitution, both of these extreme measures would be permissible if there really was an invasion.
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All: Immigrate, but dont invade, Ilya Somin refrigerator. Lunch and dinner, on him!
I say we immigrate to Ilya's wallet, bank account, and retirement account. He's got more than I do, why shouldn't he share it with me?
I can see a second Indian war -- we just shoot anyone who has an accent which is pretty much how it went down the last time...
I say Dr. Ed first learn the English language, and then take a course in basic human decency.
Also a bad grasp of history.
Ummm -- King Phillips War?
You can argue its not an invasion.
But you for sure can't call this immigration
But what are the negatives? The crime wave has clearly been driven by young African Americans. Plus we need more workers after working class wages have risen. So I’m all for decreasing immigration to help African Americans…but we had an outstanding job market for the last several years while we had an increase in crime. So let’s get people in here that want to work!!
Black Americans have a lot more to lose -- and less to pay if they do become violent. See https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/roxbury-melnea-cass-recreation-center-migrants-massachusetts/
They've lost their rec center -- and they can't afford a private gym.
And they are p*ssed....
Legally it is not an invasion. From a historical viewpoint, there have been many similar such over a century. The presence of white people on this continent occured over several, with a massive amount over 50 years or so, starting well over a century ago.
1 to 3 million a year adds up over a number of decades.
I have full confidence in the Melting Pot, though, which continues automatic operation apace, regardless of idiotic woke detractors who tell you it’s a bad word.
That’s right, folks. Mexican, general Latino, Asian, “oriental” or Indian subcontinent. All your kids will be lazy fatass Americans!
America and its fatass melting pot always wins! Why? Freedom, baby!
I think they're worried that they won't become 'lazy fatasses.' They might turn out to be more hardworking, fitter and healthier. And while that's all well and good for a peon menial underclass, what if they start infiltrating the middle classes?
So it's not an invasion,
But functionally it is.
But it's more colonization, by *ahem* 'other' races.
But also they will fail, because American culture too strong.
But also American culture sucks and makes people fat.
Even as satire, this does not have a coherent throughline.
It's looting and that is a form of invasion.
Traditionally it's been a cross-border incursion and grabbing stuff and running back across the border, but as Bite Me isn't going to enforce Federal law, there is no need to retreat.
I think the first thing to do will be a 50% tax on money leaving the country. And I can see nasty race riots happening -- look at Boston where the BLACK community center in the BLACK neighborhood is being closed to house illegals. https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/roxbury-melnea-cass-recreation-center-migrants-massachusetts/
It's not looting, which is not a "form of invasion" anyway.
Why spend so much time on an argument that is utterly frivolous? Just because certain politicians find it politically beneficial to argue that the sky is green, the earth is flat, and the climate isn't changing, doesn't mean we have to write long blog posts to rebut them. That just makes them seem more credible than they really are.
Is that your opinion of all of the 14th Amendment OPs and subsequent comments that have flooded this site?
"Why spend so much time on an argument that is utterly frivolous? [...] That just makes them seem more credible than they really are."
To ignore and not address widely considered political theories, however wrong, does not make them go away, and to the contrary, allows them to grow in credibility.
"Just ignore the assholes" is not a good information strategy. It is, however, a strategy suitable for a fed-up asshole.
How is that approach working for you so far?
BWAAAH, during the bygone era of private editing prior to publication, to publish stupid ideas was bad for business. In today's era of no-editing, surveillance-marketing, and algorithm-driven news feeds, to publish stupid ideas is good for business. So formerly, stupid ideas encountered publishing head-winds, and did tend to go away. But now, stupid ideas ride the trade winds without resistance, and flourish.
“But that issue does not arise in a situation where supposed invasion is really just some combination of illegal migration and smuggling.”
So, your argument seems to be that heavily armed cartel members coming across the border and seizing control of territory is not an invasion - because they are non-state actors? The corollary is that Hamas didn’t invade Israel in October, because they are(at least right now) a nonstate actor.
Did we “invade” Mexico in 1846?? Abraham Lincoln would say we did.
So your argument is that you are functionally illiterate? Nothing you said even remotely resembles what he said.
Somin’s argument seems to be that we have many millions of illegals coming across the border, but they are ok, because they are mostly unarmed, and the heavily armed cartels are just fine, because they are just smugglers, even though they using their guns to attack American citizens and LEOs on our side of the border.
And why aren’t the heavily armed cartel members, killing people on our side of the border not invaders? Because they aren’t state actors?
Prof. Somin's argument — as Zarniwhoop pointed out below — explicitly agreed that non-state actors can be invaders. Why do you keep dishonestly pretending that he said the opposite?
No, you moron, it's because that's not what's happening. There are no cartels "seizing control of territory" in the U.S. People "killing people on our side of the border" are just criminals.
And let's say, hypothetically, that "cartel members" (LOL) did actually constitute invaders. What would those dozen people have to do with the millions of people you people are whining about coming to the U.S., anyway?
There are thousands of cartel members along the border. They smuggle people as well as things, and their -- along with colleagues farther south -- exploit the illegal immigrants moving north.
Claiming there are only a dozen of them, and being ignorant of what cartel members have to do with economic migrants claiming asylum, are bad looks even for you.
Also, given the number of guns in this country, and the ease of building them, what is the relevance of groups of military aged males from remote countries across the ocean coming in across the border, not being armed when they cross the border?
'Not being armed when they cross the border'
is 'doing alot of work' there
besides it's easier to get a gun once you're in Amurica, something
about some Crazy Ammendment....
Frank
This is a new rhetorical trick; the previous argument was "Look, there are so many working age males that this proves that they're economic migrants, not refugees." But that didn't arouse the bigots enough, so they've changed the phrasing from "working age" to "military age."
That’s what I thought originally (that military aged meant young male adults). But they have seen large groups of Chinese and Middle Easterners crossing the border recently, then helpfully transported around this country, with no real identification. They aren’t the Mexicans, whom I have known for a half a century, who would come up here, and go back periodically. Instead, they have been flown, in large groups, across the ocean to get here.
"They" have seen it? Are these the same people who saw children being molested in the basement of a pizza place that doesn't have a basement? Or different crazy people who lie on Fox News?
Nieporent, he's right. The governors of Texas and Florida have been helpfully transporting immigrants around the country with no real identification.
Texas and Florida aren't the governments that require citizens to show a driver's license to board a plane but only require a court summons for illegal immigrants.
Well, so have the feds. The only thing the feds don't like about what Florida and Texas are doing, is that they're busing them to the wrong places. The feds prefer to dump illegal immigrants in 'red' states to burden and eventually turn them purple, not 'blue' states to annoy important Democrats.
Addressing that precise point, Prof Somin actually wrote "Vladeck recognizes (correctly, I think), that an attack by nonstate actors could qualify as an invasion, but notes that does not mean illegal migration does." (emphasis added, since you appear to need it)
Your reading comprehension is abysmal, and your attempt at a strawman argument is pathetic.
Of course I am trying to make straw man arguments. I am trying to figure out where the line is being drawn. It seems to be nonsensical. The cartels can bring their guns over the border and use them to kill Americans? Apparently, because they are mere “smugglers”. And large groups of people from enemy countries, who flew across oceans to get here, are fine illegally crossing our borders because they mostly aren't armed. It just seems like the line is that you will recognize an invasion, when you see it, as was the case of pornography.
I agree with the post here, but it really does go to highlight the general problem with definition inflation / stretched rationalizations for applying very serious terms in novel ways to people we dislike (and yes, it's a "both sides" thing).
If a ton of people barging into a foreign country without permission and committing crimes, some of them violent, and stealing resources, exporting in drugs that tear apart a nation, murdering people and setting up what amounts to minikingdoms on sovereign us territory in some cases, isn’t an invasion cuz Ilya said so. Than a smaller amount of people barging in with some permission into the capitol isn’t an insurrection because I said so.
Crime wave is young African Americans killing each other and do crazy things all because of social media.
Not on the border.
'It wasn't an insurrection because I said so' was always the argument.
That's no way to talk about the US military.
"originalist critique"
I'd like to read it but too busy reading all the re-tweets of Greg Sargent and the other lefties on his twitter page.
I think you need to be an originalist to make a valid originalist critique. Or at least not be a lefty.
"I think you need to be an originalist to make a valid originalist critique. Or at least not be a lefty."
Or if you're a well-informed critical thinker, you should be able to make a valid originalist critique regardless of your partisan inclinations. Am I being old-fashioned in thinking so?
So, if in the 1790's, three plus million English/Canadian residents had decided to march into a bordering new US state and settle there, contrary to the will of the state being resettled, those 18th century states would have done nothing as long as it wasn't a regular army? I thinketh not.
Now do it from the Native American perspective.
Not sure your point. Don't all progressives claim we stole this country?
Not likely that there were 3 million English/Canadians (weren't they all English subjects?) but they probably would have been welcomed.
Now French/Canadians is another story.
I think the former colonists might construe an onslaught of English subjects seeking to retake their state as kinda invasiony looking after that Revolution thing.
Vermont is a real example of that...
If we call it an invasion, we must also note that once here, the invaders are harder-working and more law-abiding than the average American.
Sure they are:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13028947/migrant-arrested-handcuffed-court-times-square-beating-nypd-officers.html
Wow is that them? All of them?
I like how basically self reported figures from a group of mostly fully grown adults already employed and/or with the means to migrate foreign countries is treated as a comparison with the entire US population. Also if illegals are all future rocket scientists and brain surgeons why doesn’t any other country want them?
Even when they share an island:
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/dominican-republic-begins-building-border-wall-with-haiti-2022-02-20/
There's word for your comment.
It rhymes with 'Fucking Bullshit'
Frank
On that note: how can you call it an invasion when American corporations (and American consumers who want to buy cheaply) demand more cheap labor, much more than the immigration system legally allows? Places like Texas like to put on a lot of theater about immigrants because it gets people riled up, but the truth is that America has a high demand for immigrant labor.
Any run-of-the-mill, Invisible-Hand-loving, Econ 101 conservative will tell you exactly what happens when there’s high demand.
Are they now? Sure, in the past, when they weren’t covered for unemployment, welfare, healthcare, free housing, etc, illegal immigrants were often harder working than those born here. But still? I seriously doubt it. We shall see.
They aren't eligible for any of that now.
If we somehow "must" note that same tired song again, then we similarly must note again that your meme is based entirely on data known to be bad by all but (nah, probably including) the activists who need it to be true.
So the 9-11 Terrorists were just trying to get to Ellis Island really fast....and slightly off course
Idiotic
Frank
Now do it from an Iraqi’s perspective.
"The idea that Texas could "engage" in a "war" against such (mostly unarmed) foreign nationals is little more than a rhetorical flourish"
Why not? When Pancho Villa invaded with 500 guys, the army shot at him. Then the army kept shooting at him until he and his man ran, they chased him into Mexico, kept shooting, and only turned around when they ran out of ammunition. That was against a far smaller force than we're seeing today and our military is much better now. If either the federal or state government makes war on these invaders, you'll see a downtick in a hurry. They're only coming in droves because the secret is out that mumbling "asylum" is a free ticket to staying in the USA for life.
Exactly, it’s almost like Trump wanted to make this situation worse by forcing the migrants to legally game the system. Oh well, maybe you shouldn’t have thrown a tantrum when Marco Rubio was trying to fix the problem before it got much worse.
Nobody is forcing them to game any system. They have agency, they're choosing to invade the United States. They're usually passing over several countries to invade us instead. It's time to make that option less attractive with bullets.
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These are your fans, Volokh Conspirators . . . and the reason your colleagues (those of you at legitimate law schools) do not respect you; fault you for being associated with this bigot-hugging blog; and wish you would depart without delay.
Carry on, clingers. So far as your stale, ugly right-wing thinking could carry anyone in modern, improving-against-your-wishes American, and even then only so far as better Americans permit.
You're the dumbass who can't tell the difference between renting an apartment and conquering a country, right?
You seem to be skipping the part where heavily armed cartel members are coming into this country, and violently attacking Americans. Is your argument that they are merely smugglers, so it’s fine?
The War On Drugs grinds on. Guess there's an example of how applying military terms to civic and criminal problems ends up being massively counterprodctive, eh?
Nothing changed on the border status in Eagle Pass?
Concertina wire still up, Feds not cutting wire?
Maybe cooler heads will prevail. I guess the question will soon be why just concertina wire at Eagle Pass, why not 800 miles of it?
Why didn’t Trump do that in 2017??? Maybe he didn’t want to fix the problem. And I welcome you to start putting barbed wire through Big Bend…Texans are known to not care when people mess with Texas. 😉
Well, for starters, Texas owns the state park where they're putting the concertina wire. That gives them a particularly strong legal claim.
I'd suggest that if you want to keep future migration levels down, start taking climate change seriously.
Climate change; Is there anything it can't do?
Population displacement was one of the first obvious outcomes predicted by anyone who thought about it for more than ten seconds.
https://www.texasobserver.org/greg-abbott-border-crisis-climate-change-refugees/
It's 31 degrees outside right now -- the damp ocean cold that is more chilling than when it is 10 degrees and dry.
You mean to say that illegal aliens are fleeing warm Mexico to sit outside in THIS? Of course not -- and they are being given better housing than I have...
Your are an idiot.
That’s just silly. They aren’t Climate Change refugees. They are mostly coming into this country for economic reasons - which is why it is illegal.
If climate change makes people poor, then they're both.
So, the real problem here isn't an "invasion".
It's that the President is deliberately violating his "take care" duty in regards to immigration laws. Of course, that doesn't bother you any, because you oppose those laws, and thus you think it's perfectly fine for the President to deliberately not enforce them.
And, make no mistake, it is deliberate. Or else the administration would not be so adamant that the states not fill in for them.
And that the courts are treating the supremacy clause, which makes federal "law" supreme, as though it made a federal decision to NOT enforce law supreme, instead. So that
I think that's really the crux of the problem:
1) Deliberate failure on the part of the administration.
2) The courts not letting the states pick up the slack.
Something tells me that you and other extremists won’t be satisfied until we actually have extermination camps.
Do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you make a comment like that?
How about we just enforce existing law and deport all those who broke it to get here?
Okay. And how are you going to do that without massive amounts of violence and mass detention? Notice that trump had four years to do that…and didn’t get close. Because even in his cruelty he couldn’t actually do what he wanted without an extreme amount of violence.
BTW if conservatives like Abbott and extremists who support him don’t want to invite these comparisons maybe they should refrain from:
1. Celebrating deadly razor wire;
2. Openly lamenting they can’t just shoot people because Biden would charge them with murder
3. Making up bullshit “invasion” claims as a pretext to justifying any manner of violence to repel the “invasion.”
What a fucktard! Deadly razor wire? Biden would charge them with murder? Stopping lawbreakers before they can beat up NYC cops is violence? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13030497/ny-governor-kathy-hochul-deporting-migrants-times-square.html
Yeah razor wire can be deadly. That’s why it exists to make crossing such a dangerous prospect.
The Governor of Texas literally said this
“The only thing that we're not doing is we're not shooting people who come across the border, because of course, the Biden administration would charge us with murder.”
Notice he didn’t say it was because it was morally reprehensible or even that it’s just
Illegal. But that BIDEN would charge him. That’s the stumbling block.
https://www.texastribune.org/2024/01/11/texas-border-migrants-greg-abbott-interview-shoot/
And idk what your other point is, it seems like a non-sequitur. In any event you didn’t really address the point that getting rid of 11 million people is going to require a lot of violence. And if the politicians are already at the “I wish we could shoot them, but Joe Biden won’t let us” phase well it doesn’t bode well for the prospect of them not openly advocating extermination when they inevitably fail to remove that number of people by traditional law enforcement means.
Sure, razor wire can be deadly, just like any other instrument somebody commits suicide with. But it doesn't jump out and kill you, it doesn't hunt people down. It only kills people who try to get past it, and if they didn't have a right to get past it?
That's on them.
Wait a minute, Bumble.
Dr. Ed and SomeGuy 2 are explicitly calling for the migrants to be shot.
I don't think calling for extermination camps is that different.
Also the Governor of Texas.
https://www.texastribune.org/2024/01/11/texas-border-migrants-greg-abbott-interview-shoot/
And Brett thinks the liberal camps are not far away, so they're already on his mind.
The term gets tossed around a lot but that is such projection from him. There are likely online tankie LARPers nowhere close to power who would like to put people in gulags or against the wall. But the ultimate liberal victory to most American liberals involves Brett living a very comfortable life to age 110 thanks in part to the talents of some government funded trans doctor whose parents were illegal immigrants.
Shooting people to stop them (as a last resort) is WAY different than putting them in a death camp.
If you can't see the difference, you are sick.
Stop them from what? Existing near you?
BTW, the killings of the Holocaust started with mass shootings. Once that proved inefficient at removing the Jews, the Nazis progressed to more industrialized forms of mass murders including the camps. You’re already at “just shoot them.” It doesn’t take a genius to figure where you’ll end up in a few years when we still have roughly the same status quo on immigration and right wing leaders get even looser with their language.
You realize that there’s a wee bit of difference between mass shootings of people in the villages where they live, and armed enforcement of immigration laws, right?
I know the left is super eager to define down “national socialism”, but there are important differences between what Nazis did and what is being discussed here.
“armed enforcement of immigration laws, right.”
Guess who also had a legal justification for what they were doing!
If you don’t want the comparisons, maybe just maybe, you should stop lamenting you can’t shoot people because you’ll be charged with murder.
Problem with you is that you don't think!
Of course it's deliberate. He wants to replace white people with brown people, he can't do that if he isn't basically airlifting them across the border by the million.
Biden is still deporting people and claims are still going through immigration courts. He’s just not separating families (as much) and doesn’t want people drowning or caught on razor wire or shot. But not murdering people or letting them die while crossing the border is not the same as not enforcing the law and deep down you know that. You just want to pretend that the only legal way is to prevent immigration in the most cruel ways possible; for you the veneer of legal requirement allows you to cloak your cruelty and depravity and murderous desires in the moral cloak of the law.
Enforce existing immigration laws = a legal veneer of cruelty, depravity and murderous desire
What's enforcement of copyright law? 🙂
No, YOUR idea of enforcing them involves cruelty and depravity - the country rejected that in 2020.
Biden is enforcing existing laws. He’s just not doing it with family separation, or razor wire, or shooting people. Brett and people like Abbott (who laments he can’t just shoot them) want to be cruel and violent but know that as a moral matter that’s wrong. So they concoct a legal excuse as to why it’s okay. Therefore Biden showing minimal compassion isn’t just bad policy but actually illegal
He's also doing it with facilitating illegal entry, policies of almost immediate release, accepting even incredibly weak and unsupported asylum claims, and generally ignoring large swaths of immigration and other laws in order to allow more illegal entry and more privileges for those who enter illegally.
Your bathtub faucet is broken and the tub is threatening to overflow, causing severe damage. Your response; get more buckets rather than turn off the water at the source.
You're not remotely interested in the root causes of migration. You want to throw in a toaster.
Root cause is primarily economic. Unfortunately, that is not legal grounds in this country. But, with a lot of LawFare, the FJB Admin and others figured out that political or religious asylum was legal. Except that few actually would qualify for asylum on legal grounds. No matter, give them a court date ten years from now, and trust their promise to show up then. That’s one of the key differences with Trump - he required that they wait for an asylum hearing on the other side of the border, and gave applicants a much more timely hearing. The 10 year asylum hearing is a legal stratagem so that the Administration has a bare fig leaf allowing people who don’t legally qualify for entry, to come here anyway, for those ten years.
'Economic' could mean literally anything and everything. Nobody makes a dangerous crossing to get poorer.
Actually, if you were genuinely in fear for your life, as asylum seekers in theory are, you WOULD make a dangerous crossing to get poorer. (But at least live.)
Very few people with a genuine asylum claim against the US show up at our border, though, because they've passed through safe countries on the way here. They kept going because they wanted a good life, not just to live.
Then they're not doing it to get poorer, they're doing it to save their lives. Nobody chooses to do this unless they have to.
They're probably under the impression that the US is a democratic country not ravaged by war or instability.
Biden is deporting people at a tiny fraction of the rate he's letting them in. It's enforcement theater, at best.
Yeah. You’re just giving yourself a permission structure to engage in violence. (Well not YOU, because you obviously wouldn’t risk your material comfort, but someone else whose soul you don’t mind corroding)
I don't want the border enforced with violence, I want it enforced with a wall. Any violence can be saved for the people who get past the wall, and should be no more than is necessary to put them back on the other side of it.
A massive infrastructure project that is essentially a scam and only truly effective until someone invents the ladder.
I feel invaded. I could care less how someone defined "invasion" 200 years ago: I feel invaded and I want someone to take action.
I feel invaded, I want someone to take action, and I am not alone: in a survey (by Bloomberg) released today, the number of people who join me in feeling invaded and wanting someone to take action has risen by 10% in the past month alone.
If the prevailing definition of "invasion" somehow precludes anyone from taking action, there are now a sufficient number of people to change the damn definition of "invasion," if necessary to placate the geese of the academy, so that the hoards of unwelcome, costly, and troublesome persons ILLEGALY crossing our borders can be turned away.
Despite the gabble and hiss from the geese in the academy, the people wish to prevent the invasion by illegal entrants. And prevent the invasion they will, even if a cockamamie
definitional change is first demanded by prattling fools.
“I feel invaded and I want someone to take action.
I feel invaded, I want someone to take action.”
Wow. You sound like an entitled pussy.
He sounds like he has a fungal infection.
You seem to want to wash away mydisplayname's objections, does that make you a....douche?
I think it's nice that a bunch of disaffected, disrespected right-wing law professors provide a clubhouse at which their fellow bigots and culture war casualties can gather for consolation as they get painted into smaller and smaller corners of modern America.
That these faux libertarian professors provide this service knowing it hastens the day at which they will be asked to leave campus makes their camaraderie even more touching.
I chuckled.
mydisplayname....tsk, tsk, tsk. You did not use the right vocabulary to activate (Oooops, I meant wake) our progressive brothers and sisters. It is not your feelings here that matter. I know, that sounds very callous and uncaring. I think what you meant to say was that you identify as being invaded. That is very important.
See, you need to identify strongly, then you will be listened to, and heard. 🙂
Isn't there something about facts and feelings that conservatives left behind right about when Trump got elected?
Now its all vibes all the time.
So, the law is, send the soldiers in advance, and then arm them later is ok?????? Classic Russian Little Green Men strategy which has resulted in the Ukraine War, amongst other military invasions where Russians have taken countries and other territories.
Our Russian professor fully supports the Little Green Men tactic, so that America can be subverted.
You're not cognitively coherent enough to keep to a single narrative.
You bring up the law, in a thread with an OP that is all about 'I feel invaded.'.
Then you posit an actual conspiracy by...Mexico? Or Russia? To send trained soldiers *disguised* as mere illegals.
Your posit the secret agenda is shared by Prof Somin, because you're a racist but dumb about how ideas work, thinking they are passed along by your nation of birth.
And you end up talking about America being subverted, which isn't about an armed invasion at all. I guess it's the usual white supremecist Great Replacement.
I know hate doesn't have to have a coherent reason behind it, but your posting should probably not sound like you are typing through a concussion.
Funny how Ilya was all for the military tossing out illegals from his friend's place at Martha's Vinyard but protecting everyday Americans from the exact same thing and worse is beyond the pale to his leftist ass.
Yes, those are all things that didn't happen.
He will soon learn the meaning of the expression "a conservative is a liberal who was mugged...."
A liberal is a conservative that impregnated his secretary.
Did the Volokh Conspiracy's bigoted, downscale, authoritarian fans enjoy another day of losing the culture war to their betters?
Carry on, faux libertarian clingers.
Biden said back in 2014, 2015 and other times that he wanted to unleash a "constant, unrelenting stream of immigraiton. Nonstop. Nonstop." "Not dribbling," Biden said. “Significant flows."
He claimed that "We need it badly from a purely economic point of view" and gave cultural explanations. He went on to explain his thinking in racial terms, "Folks like me who are Caucasian..for the first time in 2017 we'll be in an absolute minority in the United States of America, absolute minority. Fewer than 50% of the people in America from then and on will be white European stock. That's not a bad thing, that's a source of our strength."
Whether Biden is right or wrong on the optimal amount of immigration, he has done it illegally without the consent of the governed.
Chart:
https://i.ibb.co/cc1tD08/GFJM2n-TWc-AAeff-Q-format-jpg-name-large.jpg
Biden did not in fact say what M L claims he said. Note how he puts almost none of the statements he attributes to Biden in quotes. What Biden actually said was not that he "wanted to unleash" a "constant, unrelenting stream of immigration," but that America's strength has been a constant, unrelenting stream of immigration since the late 1700s. He was making a descriptive point, not proposing a policy.
He used the phrase a number of times, once in connection with describing what he imagines “started all the way back in the late 1700s.”
That wasn't the only time he said it however, and the full context makes it abundantly clear (as if there was any doubt) that this is his policy prescription going forward as well.
Cite a single source for that claim, please.
https://reason.com/volokh/2024/01/31/how-biden-can-alleviate-pressure-on-the-border-by-making-legal-migration-easier/?comments=true#comment-10425288
Well what do you know?
You're a liar, again!
"“We have the most resilient economy in the world,” Biden told hundreds of people gathered at the business group’s annual conference. “We’re better positioned than any country in the world to lead the world in the 21st Century.”
Biden said a key to the country’s solid economic footing is the “the ‘constant, unrelenting stream’ of immigrants that has come to the United States for generations."
That quote is directly from your 2014 'cite.' Nowhere does the word "unleash" appear.
Liar.
But this isn’t actually immigration either, is it? If you are going to complain about the use of "invasion" then let's use the correct terms all around. These aren't immigrants, or at least they aren't supposed to be.
The migrants coming to the southern border AREN’T using our immigration system. They aren’t applying for HB-1 visas or student visas. They aren’t winners of the immigration lottery. They aren’t even coming in on tourist visas. Most don’t even have passports, in fact a lot of them dump their identification right before they cross the border.
Instead, they are using asylum law to get into the US as a way to get around the immigration system, because the 1+ million people we already let in through the legal immigration system isn’t enough.
So it’s asylum law we need to change and reform because this is making a total joke of it. If we really do need more immigrants, fine, let’s bring them in under an actual immigration system. But that’s currently impossible while we are dealing with hundreds of thousands of asylum seekers every month, and nowhere to put them.