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Mandatory DEI Trainings and Academic Freedom
A recent story out of the University of Wisconsin Law School offers an opportunity to consider the potential tensions between mandatory Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) trainings and academic freedom, particularly in legal education.

[I'm delighted to pass along this very interesting reporting and analysis by Prof. Alan Rozenshtein (Minnesota). -EV]
According to the Wisconsin Institute for Law and Liberty (WILL), a conservative advocacy group, the University of Wisconsin Law School conducted a mandatory 1L "reorientation DEI session" last week for which students had to fill out a "race timeline worksheet" with "7 significant moments at least" of "significant life events around race" and read a worksheet listing 28 "common racist attitudes and behaviors," including views like "I'm colorblind" and "We have overcome." A student who attended the session confirmed to me that WILL's reporting was broadly accurate.
I reached out to the University of Wisconsin Law School and received the following statement:
Friday's session on diversity, equity, and inclusion for second semester 1L students was held in partial fulfillment of ABA Standard 303's requirement that law schools provide education to their students on "bias, cross-cultural competency, and racism."
The session was interactive, with ample opportunities for students to engage in dialogue with each other. A core goal was to help students develop their critical thinking skills with respect to these topics.
We do not expect students to automatically accept the views expressed in the document referred to, any more than they would the reasoning of a legal brief, judicial opinion, or their professors. Intellectual and academic freedom are core values of the Law School.
Accordingly, we welcome and encourage vigorous debate over important questions of law and policy, and this session provided a forum for such discourse.
My goal is not to adjudicate between the competing accounts of the session, and indeed different good-faith observers can characterize the same event differently. More questions would need to be answered to properly evaluate a DEI session, such as: were a range of readings provided that offered a different perspective on race and racism; to what extent was the format of the session that of a training or rather an open-ended discussion; and, if the latter, was the environment such that students were comfortable expressing views contrary to those expressed in the worksheet, by the person leading the session, and by other students?
It's a problem if the answer to these questions is no. Some concerns are legal: WILL argues that such trainings would violate civil rights law and create a hostile environment (see, for example, a recent court case upholding a lawsuit against Penn State for particularly extreme DEI trainings). Others are substantive: it's jarring, especially a week after Martin Luther King Jr. Day, to read that the statement, "Character, not color, is what counts with me," is a "detour or wrong turn into white guilt, denial or defensiveness." And then there is the practical issue of whether such training might in fact backfire.
But I want to focus on a different point: that an educational institution committed to academic freedom and free inquiry should not use mandatory trainings to impose contested moral claims (again, without taking a position on the specifics of how the Wisconsin session was conducted). This principle is especially important for law schools, which are, after all, in the business of training future lawyers who will need to be able to consider all sides of an argument rather than dogmatically accept one view or another.
The issue is not whether one agrees with the views at issue. Academic freedom doesn't just limit indoctrination in the "anti-racist" ideology reflected in the handout; it equally rules out adopting a critique of anti-racism as institutional orthodoxy. Nor is the point limited to discussions of race (central as they are in our current culture war). It would be just as inappropriate if a conservative-leaning university forced students to sit through a mandatory session on the virtues of capitalism and the evils of socialism, or if a liberal university took the opposite positions.
It's true that required trainings often touch on issues that have normative dimensions, and controversial ones at that. For example, I would expect a mandatory law school orientation session to discuss the school's policies on free speech, harassment, sexual misconduct, etc. Each of those policies reflects substantive choices that not everyone may agree with; e.g., some members of the law school community might think that the free speech policy goes too far, or not far enough, and similarly for the other policies.
But DEI training is different than training on existing policies, in two key ways.
First, training on the contents of a policy assumes that a policy actually exists. If a law school (or the university) has already taken a substantive position on some matter of institutional concern, then of course it has to inform the members of the community of the contents of that policy. And if members of the community don't like the policy, they should argue against it, not against the training informing them of it.
But it's unlikely that a law school would adopt, as an official policy, the claim that expressing "exhaustion and despair" over racism is itself racist, to take one of the claims in the handout (nor is it clear what it would mean to adopt such a claim as a matter of "policy").
Second, even where policies exist, training should be limited to making sure that students understand the policy, not pressuring them to agree with it.
None of the above is meant to argue that discussions about race and racism, including the presentation of arguments based on anti-racism or critical race theory or any other school of thought, are inappropriate in a law school class, or even as part of the mandatory 1L curriculum. But a discussion has to be just that: an open-ended exchange of views that recognizes that no one has the right to force anyone else to agree with them when it comes to some of the most controversial debates in modern life.
How to address race and racism in the law school curriculum is an important and hard question. Law schools (and the ABA, which, as the law school noted, requires education on "bias, cross-cultural competency, and racism") should make sure that, however they approach the problem, they do so in a way that is both effective and consistent with their commitments to academic freedom.
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Would someone please post any research article that shows DEI training works?
Works at what? Same as with sexual harassment “training” in workplaces, its most practical purpose is a defensive CYA measure if they’re ever sued. It works fairly well at that.
I am presuming the question being asked by Doug S is whether DEI advances the performance/careers/ interpersonal relationships in the business , etc of minority employees along with advancing the overall performance of the entire workforce.
Found the guy who played Words With Friends through harassment training. Do you call your secretary “babe”? We’re all friends here. You can be honest.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/n1276281
Broken link? Or were you intentionally pointing to a null result?
Intentionally 🙂
There’s lots of evidence that DEI works. There’s a modest amount of evidence, but more and more comes in every day, that DEI trainings don’t work.
So where is some of that evidence? “It works, but training for it is counterproductive” sounds like there might be some uncontrolled confounders in the first set.
See also abstinence training. Abstinence is 100% effective at avoiding pregnancy and STD’s. But teaching abstinence is not effective at encouraging abstinence.
I don’t think DEI training does work. Training on sexual harassment likewise. Se also DARE.
Mandatory training is a great inexpensive ‘something must be done; this is something.’
The exception is suicide prevention. I believe that’s been shown to have an effect.
Well, speaking from experience, the main thing most suicidal people want is for others to actually NOTICE that they’re in pain. So, of course suicide prevention works. Somebody noticed…
I’m an engineer. And you couldn’t possibly convince me that it would make sense to rely on “scientific research” to examine an initiative such as the indoctrination described in this post.
It’s a fool’s errand to seek from “science” answers to such abstract questions as are raised in DEI initiatives.
I’m trying to make a better life for myself and for others. No research, nobody, could convince me it makes sense to treat people with the race-essentialist disdain that is essential to DEI training. It is indoctrination, intended to induce you to implement race-based preferences in your own life, for some [blah][blah][blah] list of sins.
It may be *a* truth. But it is not *my* truth. And yet, it is REQUIRED.
What kind of people require people to confess that which they do not believe?
All good people will pay for our racist sins through our race-based actions for the benefit of [lists][lists][lists].
Confession Form here
You are REQUIRED to fill in your worksheet thusly:
RACE TIMELINE WORKSHEET
Use this space on the front and/or back to create a timeline of significant life events around race–things that happened to you, experiences you had, decisions made, realizations you came to, news events, etc. Then add in moments about your social identities that shaped you–recognizing difference, facing discrimination, consuming media, etc. Your completed timeline will be used both [sic] for our second workshop. A completed timeline should include at [sic] 7 significant moments at least but more are encouraged.
“We do not expect students to automatically accept the views expressed in the document referred to, any more than they would the reasoning of a legal brief, judicial opinion, or their professors.”
Ok, If you present it like a judicial opinion, regardless of whether they agree, you are insisting the students accept it as an accurate description of the status quo – same as if you are presenting it like a professor’s lecture. If it’s like a legal brief, then you need to present them the opposite argument. There’s no indication they did that.
Read the room. You’re in the comment section of a legal blog that does little OTHER than criticize judicial opinions. Those 1L students are paying well for the privilege of being taught to analyze and question judicial opinions.
And yet are forced into Marxist DIE indoctrination presenting only thr race essentialist, white people devils perspective.
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Did Prof. Rozenshtein ever publish an objection to dogma enforcement on conservative-controlled campuses?
Or was his concern — like that of FIRE, the Federalist Society, the Heritage Foundation, and others in the clingerverse — about this point unmentioned until diversity, equity, and inclusion became an issue ( and an issue that riles conservatives and old-timey bigots in a seemingly organized manner) on strong, mainstream, reasoned-based campuses?
Yeah I was wondering the same thing.
It would be just as inappropriate if a conservative-leaning university forced students to sit through a mandatory session on the virtues of capitalism and the evils of socialism…
Ok, put your money where your mouth is. If it’s just as inappropriate, where’s your lengthy blog post?
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NPC Alert.
Carry on, Lesser.
For once, Arthur said something intelligent (probably unintentionally). Mandatory DEI trainings are dogma enforcement.
DEI is dogma enforcement, which is akin to imposition of religion. (It is indistinguishable from such.)
It is a function that neither government nor secular institution should impose upon people. It purports to impose beliefs.
I can (within reason) tolerate imposed behaviors. But imposed beliefs? Impossible.
For any non-believer, it is a requirement to live a lie.
(Remember: all they need to persist is your silence.)
You’re such a loser. Nobody’s imposing any beliefs on you, DEI least of all. (If any one is, it’s your handlers in the right-wing echosphere.)
You’re just pissed that your beliefs aren’t popular anymore.
For any non-believer, it is a requirement to live a lie.
That’s called being in the closet. Come out of the closet, Bwaaah. Yes, people will think you’re a bigot. They’re free to think that.
You MUST fill in your worksheet:
“Use this space on the front and/or back to create a timeline of significant life events around race–things that happened to you, experiences you had, decisions made, realizations you came to, news events, etc. Then add in moments about your social identities that shaped you–recognizing difference, facing discrimination, consuming media, etc.”
You know, Randal, those moments about my social identities that shaped me. Like I’m supposed to tell them my story about I don’t even know what they’re talking about.
Which words don’t you understand? Talk about the DEI training itself. That, for you, seems to be a significant life event around race, sadly. You never had a social identity? You were a dweeb in High School, clearly, so talk about how it felt to come to that realization. Or take the opportunity to lay out all your grievances as a repressed conservative in modern America. That seems to be your preferred social identity these days.
I don’t know why you keep talking about me. DEI has done nothing to me specifically. But it’s active in a lot of places, and it has done a lot to disadvantage people I know.
DEI mainly infests larger institutions. Little ones can’t afford this nasty groupist ideology.
I can learn to identify myself with some “social identity.” But DEI insists that I make it race-based.
Per the law school’s REQUIREMENT: “create a timeline of significant life events around race – things that happened to you, experiences you had, decisions made, realizations you came to”
Race, Randal. Race, race, race.
Race, race, race.
This doesn’t mention race.
Then add in moments about your social identities that shaped you–recognizing difference, facing discrimination, consuming media, etc.
Yes, race is a focus of DEI. But you could answer this question with non-racial identities, noting that you don’t feel like race is a significant aspect of your personal identity. That’s what I would say.
You might get mocked, but you’re gonna need to get used to that. White guys don’t have a monopoly on mocking anymore.
Randal: “This doesn’t mention race.”
UWis Law School training form: “Use this space on the front and/or back to create a timeline of significant life events around race”
I grew up in an all white neighborhood. Let me tell you, friends, “race” was a-non issue, much less a source of social identity, for any kid who grew up in that neighborhood. It was no more of an issue than was air. (Yes, air.) I don’t deny the relevance of race elsewhere, or of it’s relevance in a larger sociopolitical context. But those are the things of newspaper stories, social studies classes, and now, online discussions.
Don’t kid yourself that race had significant relevance in my upbringing. It didn’t.
So take me into law school and sit me down and make me listen to Randal tell me his stories of how race affected him. I can shut up and listen. But don’t tell me to write my own story about how it affected me. (It didn’t.) That may be somebody else’s story, but it’s not mine.
No kidding, I grew up in Warren, Michigan, at a time when there were, (I read later.) two, count ’em, two black families in the entire city. The topic of race literally never came up, so how was I supposed to have been indoctrinated in racism?
I grew up so steeped in racism that the first time I met a black, (After we’d moved…) I started chatting her up in hope of a date, and was confused about why she was so hostile; Did I have bad breath?
That’s how much race meant to me, it was just an impressive suntan.
See? It’s working! This explains so much already.
GoooOOOOO RANDAL!!!!
YOU’RE WINNING!!!!
Thank you, thank you, you’re welcome.
“That’s how much race meant to me, it was just an impressive suntan.”
Brett,
I think it would be helpful if you learned a little more about yourself. That is the kind of aloofness, insensitivity, denial that we’re trying to teach about.
What do you think that moment was like for her, Brett? Did she think she had a “suntan?” Does it matter to you that she may not want to be described that way, like her skin color was a leisure-time cosmetic choice?
Reach in, Brett, and find the racialness of your history. WRITE IT DOWN FOR US. (We’ll be referring to it later.) And then see if that doesn’t suggest you should be more aware, more sensitive, more helpful to the people whose paths you cross.
Embrace the training, Brett. Embrace your racial history. Update your story.
This is a way to grow, Brett. The ABA REQUIRES you to study yourself in this way now. Want to move along? Just update your story, Brett. Check their box; acknowledge your understanding.
It wasn’t just a suntan, Brett. Think about that.
(Race. Race, race, race. Race, [lgbtabc], [lgbtabc], race.)
Well, it was an impressive suntan. Me, I get freckles, and with enough sun, my freckles get freckles, and I’m STILL white as a sheet between them. You ever peel after a sunburn, and the peeling skin is sort of tack welded down at each freckle? It does NOT look good. I’d kill (No, not really.) to have a complexion like that girl had.
Thankfully my son got my wife’s dark Filipino skin, not my freckles.
LOL
DEI training is different in that it is intentional indoctrination. It is not an evenhanded discussion of pros and cons, it is a strictly enforced single point of view. It’s admirable that reasonable people such as our author take the high ground and patiently lay out all the ways that this kind of thing could be taught.
But the fact is that it isn’t taught in a reasonable way because the people teaching it don’t care about reason. They aren’t interested in a “discussion”, they are interested in compliance.
And what is my basis for making this charge? Why, none other than the very questions themselves. That worksheet is not fair. It is not balanced. It presents a single point of view and accepts no possibility of a difference of opinion.
DEI by its very nature is compelled, moralistic speech. I can imagine no other topic that is allowed to be “taught” in such a way.
All this to say that the pleasantries are over. The days of believing that we can co-exist with DEI adherents have come to an end. They simply do not believe in pluralism. They are not willing to give to others what others give to them.
As a consequence, we cannot engage in a faithful agreement with them. They are going to either have to accept the fact that their beliefs are but one of many and thus open to argument, or they will have removed themselves from the community.
You cannot be reasonable with unreasonable people, sadly.
Have you been through a DEI training? I’m guessing not…
“DEI by its very nature is compelled, moralistic speech. I can imagine no other topic that is allowed to be “taught” in such a way.”
Huh. Not one? Or do you mean “no other topic” that makes you uncomfortable? We teach all kinds of morality: sexual harassment policy, anti-pedophilia policy, pro-religious freedom policy, anti-drunk driving policy, anti-sexism, pro-democracy policy, American exceptionalism, etc etc etc.
I’ve been through dozens of DEI training sessions over the years. In the beginning, a few were reasonable, the approach was “we are colleagues, let us be respectful towards one another”. Fine. But towards the end, all pretense of attempting to convince was dropped. Sign on, or be demoted, even fired. A condition for employment.
Yeah… like not sexually harassing your coworkers is a condition of employment. Do you feel a need to express your contrarian points of view on that topic?
Except that DEI as currently practiced is a virulently racist and flagrantly hypocritical program. When agreeing with a Martin Luther King quote is a sign of “white denial” that one is supposed to reject “as a condition of employment”, things are seriously off the rails.
Your hopelessly racist misunderstanding of MLK isn’t helping your cause.
Sarcasm? I honestly can’t tell.
If not sarcasm, I’m curious what you think my understanding of MLK is. And what basis you have for that belief.
You may have read that MLK Jr. said:
You may have even heard him saying those words. But it’s “hopelessly racist” to think he meant anything other than:
It’s one thing not to judge someone by the color of their skin.
It’s another to (pretend to) ignore the color of their skin.
“It’s one thing not to judge someone by the color of their skin.
It’s another to (pretend to) ignore the color of their skin.”
Breaking bad habits is mostly a matter of resolutely pretending you don’t have them until it finally becomes true. That’s especially the case when you’re trying to break the transmission of bad habits to the next generation, you need to model good habits even if it isn’t what you feel like doing.
So, you want a future where people aren’t judged by the color of their skin? You need to stop judging people by the color of their skin. You’ll never stop racial discrimination if you keep racially discriminating. It will just go on forever.
There should be a word for reciting a platitude as a non-sequitur.
Whatever that word is, you’d think you of all people would know it since you keep doing it over and over again.
Right winger’s version of MLK:
Was born.
Said one thing.
Did and said nothing else.
Died.
It is among the things MLK said that were most valued by most people; it was among the points that most distinguished him in our political and cultural history. (His economic theories, for example, did not contribute significantly to his political significance.)
The recent attempt at “rehabilitating” the image of MLK tries to erase the way he actually made a difference in history. Why? Because he’s the big Race Brand to them (even though he’s not; he transcended race), and they want to ride their 2020 DEI Race Story using MLK’s great name.
Just think about that: 50 years after the guy dies, they start packaging their own story using his name to lay their claim. (They can’t honestly harmonize their race-essentialist b.s. with MLK’s message; they can’t help but smear his story.)
The real story, they tell us, is more nuanced than the simple, great one we know.
They need an MLK that wants retribution, … errr,.. equity. But the MLK we saw, the MLK we believe in, demanded nothing but respect and equal treatment. That was our take away.
For them, that is not enough. MLK was not enough.
Utterly true! As Sarcastro rightly points-out this obscure speech is _rarely_ cited, as it’s buried among MLK’s much more famous defenses of racialism and segregation. It is never, ever cited as a reason why all Americans ought to remember MLK via a national holiday.
One might ask what precisely people _do_ (or ought to) remember such that “I Have a Dream” is of no particular significance to the man’s memory, but of this “simple stuff” no hint is given by S. No sweat either, apparently.
It’s telling that when drawing the line between respect, equality, equity, and retribution, you draw it between equality and equity. You’re willing to treat Black people with superficial courtesy as long as the status quo is preserved and you don’t have to actually share power with them.
Nobody thinks MLK was about retribution. But he didn’t “transcend race.” Yes, he wanted Blacks to be respected because of their character rather than their race, but that doesn’t mean he wanted everyone to pretend like race doesn’t exist. He was proud to be Black.
If only there were a middle ground between an MLK who doesn’t see race and an MLK who wants retribution.
It says a great deal about how tightly wound your racial worldview is that you can’t find any middle ground.
I *live* middle ground every day. But I *argue* from a side.
If the side you argue on requires ignoring what MLK actually said and did in favor of a choice between strawmen, maybe you’re doing it wrong.
I do not expect you to know (or care) that MLK was emphasized in our family’s household before and after his death and therefore I likewise don’t feel that you’re trying to deliberately insult a certain slice of middle-America (of a particular age) who were very specifically taught that “to judge by character” was one of the real cardinal virtues; to a child it meant how not to be a bad person in the form of a bigot or a Nazi.
This is one of the ways in which you are wrong about the significance of that speech, and why the modern emphasis on racialism is disgusting to many actual liberals. Insisting that this speech and its message is only lately emphasized as some sort of tendentious right-wing cultural pushback ought to provide a useful sanity-check on the position the left has adopted, but it is quite safe to say that there are forms of insanity that are infectious.
who were very specifically taught that “to judge by character” was one of the real cardinal virtues
What? Nobody’s suggesting otherwise. We’re just saying that MLK doesn’t want you to go around pretending that he wasn’t Black or that Black people don’t exist.
Judging people by their character doesn’t imply that there’s no such thing as race.
Insisting that this speech and its message is only lately emphasized as some sort of tendentious right-wing cultural pushback…
Yes, the speech has been around and inspirational for a long time.
But it’s sort of obviously factually true that the right has relatively recently taken to using it in service of “tendentious right-wing cultural pushback.” Like, this thread is a perfect example. The right wasn’t using it that way before, but it is now.
Randal: “We’re just saying that MLK doesn’t want you to [,,,]”
Oh. He doesn’t? Do tell, Randal. Do tell.
I didn’t bring him up.
“Nobody’s suggesting otherwise. We’re just saying that MLK doesn’t want you to go around pretending that he wasn’t Black or that Black people don’t exist.”
I’m sure that’s true, but “existence” isn’t bounded by another’s pretense of ignoring a person’s color, and isn’t enabled by the recognition by others of that color or geographic ancestry.
The modern “liberal” obsession with recognition of skin color exposes a deep lack of confidence in what the end-goal of liberality was supposed to be, which was to create a society in which no law can be brought to bear on the individual because of an arbitrary inclusion in a class of “Bad People”.
Instead, the machination _required_ by the modern “liberal” cultural imperative is careful enumeration of each aspect of race, geographic ancestry, personal sexual proclivities gathered and compiled into (in effect) a set of database index tables which _only serve_ to create entire new sets of “Bad People”. These sets are defined by very short term political (or even grossly self-serving) weightings; are created by The Influential for their own particular purposes irrespective of the well-being or desires of the actual people in those groups. The Influential are defined by the hierarchy of whatever type of society is in question: university administration, investment management, entertainment production, religious orthodoxy, government administration, etc. The point is that the modern liberal zeitgeist is giving that hammer to bad characters, and we are _all_ the nails.
In the end, the satisfaction of the demand for continuous group recognition only serves to enable some people to treat people badly via those same established groupings, and the tools with which the State has become equipped to identify and treat people in whatever manner it sees fit is frightening. Even more appalling than that is the feverish work to build those tools (eg. DEI) by people who honestly think it is in the service of “liberality” when it is in fact the most illiberal course possible.
Some kinds of insanity really are infectious.
I’m glad you agree that MLK was not advocating colorblindness.
The rest of your comment is a typical right-wing conspiracy-theory-laden snowman.
I don’t expect the insane to become sane, but it is handy to have illustrations of one’s bona fides as a sort of field identification guide. Thank you for your contribution.
Your betters eagerly await the replacement of Republican racists like you, Rossami.
The Volokh Conspirators will miss you, though.
Carry on, clingers . . . but only so far as better Americans permit culture war casualties to do anything.
DEI as currently practiced is a virulently racist and flagrantly hypocritical program
Seems more like YOU have a doctrine, and don’t much care for it not being shared by everyone. Yeah, diversity would be a painful thing for you to experience.
Getting along with co-workers means making some concessions. Being an asshole is indeed a condition of employment.
It’s certainly a good faith approach to assert without either evidence or argument that people who criticize your movement are racist assholes, yes indeed.
My whole point is that that’s not how DEI is actually practiced. For pretty obvious reasons, that would not go over well even among liberals.
So it’s his worldview writing that take, which says something.
Your whole point is that you want to pretend that’s not how DIE is actually practiced.
My whole point is *no one establishes that’s how it’s practiced*.
You all just assert, or at best take a single anecdote, and generalize.
The burden isn’t on me (though I have offered counterexamples), the burden is on y’all and your extreme unsupported assertions about DEI as a discipline, in practice, and the people in DEI offices.
Hey, I’ve been to college. I don’t recall American exceptionalism being taught as unquestionable quasi-religious dogma (or in any other way for that matter).
Nobody ever taught me about anything like “American exceptionalism.” Not in public school. Not in college. It’s not even an actual thing (I don’t think). I think it’s a soft concept that seeped into some corners of political discourse. And it’s mainly used now by people on the left as part of an ugly, stooge-like characterization of people on the right.
As my liberal neighbor once asked me, as a non-sequitur, “So you believe in American exceptionalism?” (I was probably explaining why I thought some aspect of the U.S. government made sense. That might’ve tipped him off.)
(American exceptionalism…what’s that? Yet another brand of dogmatic elitism? Hell no! Not interested.)
Well said!
This is such a fascinating episode of moral relativism. “How dare you not credit my personal assertion that I am cured of all racial bias?”
I guess even Phyllis Schlafley was in vogue for a while, too. But now we have sexual harassment trainings and we’re all better for it.
Last Sexual Her-Ass-Meant training I was forced to take (Hard to be a Gas Passer and not work in a Hospital) was taught by one of those Clipboard Nurses (Nurses who don’t do patient care) one of the questions was whether a Nurse could Her-ass a Physician, the required answer was “No”, with the explanation that the less powerful position can’t her-ass the more powerful one. Perfect score was required to get the box checked (I love checking boxes)
Frank
See? DEI even brings Frank Drackman to … check the box.
DONE!!!
Those DEI people really know how to guide people. They’re people people.
Good job, Frank!!! GREAT job, DEI!!!
GooooooOOOOOOO RACE!!!
I think that at least half of my law professors had fairly strongly-formed views on “contested” subjects that we studied, to such an extent that there was no real room for “debate” in the classroom. You either learned to adopt their reasoning, or you did poorly on the exam. I’m sure that neither Eugene nor Rozenshtein are any different, in that respect.
So, in my view, the fact that a mandatory diversity training might “impose” a view on so-called “contested moral claims” is not, in itself, problematic.
Indeed, I think it is odd to cite the fact that lawyers must learn to understand all sides of a debate as a reason for them not to do so, in the context of these diversity trainings. The argument seems to be, in essence, that a student who comes to the training with the view that it is fundamentally misconceived should not be challenged in this belief, and that instead the training should be structured in such a way as to facilitate the voicing of his objection to the exercise. Part of how you develop the ability to see all sides of an issue is to try them on, take them as (for argument’s sake) true. Then you step away to familiar territory and see if your other views stand up to the new perspective you’ve learned to adopt.
To wit – I have been thinking lately about what it is I find so frustrating about conservative legal reasoning. When I read a Fifth Circuit opinion, or a Paul Clement brief, or a post on the VC, in order to follow the reasoning and see how it holds together, I must follow various logical detours and enter various rhetorical culs-de-sac – all of which resolve so easily when one accepts, instead, that the argument is simply mistaken.
Rozenshtein’s argument is no different. There is nothing remarkable about “imposing” moral views that are adjudged correct or authoritative, in higher education; “contested moral claims” is a question-begging way to describe DEI claims; sessions merely “informing” students of university policies also impose authoritative views on moral issues that students might contest. He is making an argument that mandatory diversity training threatens free speech, but the argument that it does is stitched together from pieces that don’t match and don’t fit together, and don’t hold up to scrutiny.
It’s all much easier to acknowledge this for what it is: Yet another reactionary push to create safe space in higher education for rejecting concepts like “systemic racism,” “white privilege,” and the like. However the argument needs to be styled, to reach that result – that defines how it runs.
When you cannot reject concepts without facing punishment, there are no longer any “safe” spaces — for you. Just sayin’.
You know how I can probably get myself fired before the end of this week?
I could call for a ceasefire in Gaza on my Facebook page. Or allow my face to be photographed at a pro-Palestine protest.
If I were to say something offensive about women or Black people, I might get a stern talking-to, if anyone notices.
My other comment notwithstanding:
I, too, hate these kinds of trainings. I agree that they are not generally structured or conducted in a way that permits anyone who disagrees with the views expressed there to work out that disagreement, to examine it down to its premises. There is very strong social pressure to keep your mouth shut and get it over with, especially if you are a white man.
I chalk this up to the apparent lack of rigor or science behind any of this. Every diversity training I’ve had to suffer through has been conducted by some self-credentialed consultant with an evidently persuasive pitch deck. I can’t imagine the DEI office leaders at universities or companies are any better. Shitty degrees, sloppy thinking, lazy check-the-box corporate logic. That’s how these things proliferate and sustain themselves.
Though the irony is that these very features of diversity training correspond to features of the white supremacist capitalist patriarchy that CRT and CLT have been critiquing for decades. These trainings are autocratic, stupid, mandatory, because they serve a new power structure being built to maintain structural inequity. A new, more female, more BIPOC, class of overlords are being inducted, and they are getting more of a say, but the things they say aren’t about diversity, equity and inclusion, they are specifically about DEI, which is to say this new corporate-speak and organizational logic that we either adapt to or ignore at our peril.
So, strangely, if you pay attention to CRT and CLT, you will have the tools necessary to defeat DEI. Fighting it in this reactionary fashion – No! I will not feel white guilt! – ironically just plays the role assigned to you.
100%. I’m fortunate enough not to have had a DEI training for three years! My workplace, thank god, was smart enough to figure out that it wasn’t working and move on, for exactly the reasons you’ve identified.
I’m 100% for “Reparations” though. Only question is how much are the Blacks going to pay us for freeing them.
These bigots are your fans, Volokh Conspirators . . . and your target audience . . . and the reason the rest of you will follow Prof. Volokh in being asked to turn in the keys to offices on mainstream campuses soon enough.
Carry on, clingers. But not very far, and not very long.
My headcanon is that Kirkland is a Volokh sock, created to show us how stupid this level of discourse is.
He’s real. And he’s resentful. But, yes, he does have that effect.
forcing people to sit there and listen to some half-wit bigot call them names and blame them for all of society’s ills for the privilege of being a lawyer is not just a waste of time, but insulting and divisive. It’s not useful if we want a pluralistic and actually tolerant society. Of course, that’s not the purpose. It’s purpose is to get revenge for historic grievances.
While the school claims there’s debate, that’s bullshit too. Any white person who stands up in these indoctrination sessions and utters anything other than an apology for the sins of all other whites is going to be called a racist and ostracized. That’s the purpose.
There’s no disagreement with any of this evil ideology, the premise of which is that America and White people are inherently racist and that non-whites (except Asians and Jews) cannot succeed until we blow it all up and start over (with them in charge, of course.) Does anyone really think there’s any disagreement allowed at UW?
No institution of higher learning should not be pushing this trash.
Any white person who stands up in these indoctrination sessions and utters anything other than an apology for the sins of all other whites is going to be called a racist and ostracized.
This is not only untrue, it is tellingly leaving something important out.
What is it you want to utter but can’t, praytell?
These things can easily go off the rails. There’s always some white kid who has some nasty experience with racism. For example, what would these DEI twits have to say to a white person who has been assaulted due to his race by a member of the Five Percent Nation of Allah? Ultimately, they pooh-pooh these sort of things–people could also bring up the unfortunate prevalence of anti-gay feelings in many communities of color? Or what about the disparity between white on black rape vs. black on white rape.
Then you get to a point where you say that people of color shouldn’t be judged by these things–if someone is a law-abiding productive citizen, why should he or she be associated in any way with others who share racial physical characteristics? Then the question becomes why are whites/Asians etc. any different. Then you get the dissembling about power structures etc.
And then you can ask the really hard questions–ok, if I have been a victim of a hate crime, then why should I be an ally? Should the Duke lacrosse kids be allies, even though polls showed that the AA community where they would have been tried showed a significant number of people just wanted them convicted.
Good job of justifying your racism. I’m sure it’s totally justified.
Take away the bigotry, the disaffected whining, and the other bigotry . . . and what is left of The Volokh Conspiracy these days?
Thank you Rev, now imagine yourself as someone other than the old white privileged fart that you are
You are REQUIRED to fill in your worksheet thusly:
For those of you who don’t know “your social identities that shaped you,” well YOU MUST IDENTIFY YOUR [race-based] SOCIAL IDENTITIES, THAT DID SHAPE YOU. YOU MUST NAME THEM, AND RECORD THEM. Because YOU MUST. Because IT IS REQUIRED.
YOU MUST NAME YOUR RACE-BASED IDENTITIES.
Your worksheet
DEI’s standard agenda divides Americans into warring groups plus it ignores age, height, weight as well as religious and political views. As such it is both racist and un-American. This is supposed to be the ‘United’ States. No wonder DEI training often backfires!
Thinks DEI does not ignore: first time going to college, state of origin, socioeconomic class, military families.
Y’all only talk about race because there’s a right wing project to make you angry about race, and DEI is the current tool.
And just like CRT before it, you all love it too much to check the facts.
DEI is a general name for focused efforts to help advance certain historically disadvantaged peoples by, among other things, giving those peoples preference over certain other peoples. DEI accomplishes its preferences by “leaning in” to all selection decisions, and by establishing group-based rule changes including reduction or elimination of performance standards. Generally speaking, anybody who thinks DEI’s methods of social advancement are wrong is considered to be racist.
I agree if you’re just giving preferences you’re probably not doing good work at accomplishing anything robust. But that’s why your ‘among other things’ is covering over stuff so you can pretend only one thing is going on.
DEI is not used in all selection decisions. For contracting and hiring, that would actually be illegal.
“establishing group-based rule changes” like what?
I don’t know where you get your understanding of what DEI is, but it seems to be your spite-filled ass.
“DEI is not used in all selection decisions. For contracting and hiring, that would actually be illegal.”
Google “Minority and Woman-owned Business Enterprise.” And pretend that lists of peoples that should be preferenced weren’t actually written into many statutes over the past few years. (They were.) The preferencing is OPENLY being done in large institutional hiring (corporations, government, universities), including “DEI” declarations on almost every large institutional website.
And all you got is: “There’s nothing there.”
Groupist preferencing. Gonna get us more diversity.
I have good news about whether DEI is involved in that.
And the EDWOSB set-aside is not part of general competitive contracting requirements, which must abide by the usual full and open competition requirements.
And it also doesn’t look like you were talking about the government only. And believe it or not the Civil Rights Act has something to say about contracting only with minorities. Yes, even you, a white guy, has civil rights.
FWIW on Illinois’ Woman or Minority Owned Business program:
“It got so bad so quickly that the regs were revised to permit a de minimis ownership (1%). Of course, several regulatory lawyers quickly made a business out of offering minority or women equity “owners” who would take 1% for a fee (just absorb how backwards it is to be paying a fee to have a 1% equity partner) with very restrictive shareholder agreements. Then it became obvious that you’d get points for the “women” and “minority” categories BOTH if you had a black woman as a proxy 1% “owner.” There was one woman who was a 1% owner of 320 firms.”
I am very much in favor of identifying when set-asides become a sinecure.
I think SBIR could use a hard look.
Also veterans preference – tons of businesses that purely act as cutouts to apply and then subcontract out.
“”On October 19, Harvard PSC and Harvard GS4P recruited hundreds of protesters to march through campus, invading the Science Center, Harvard Law’s Caspersen Student Center and Wasserstein Hall buildings, the Harvard Kennedy courtyard, and Harvard Square, using noisemakers, drumsticks, buckets, and megaphones to chant “from the river to the sea,” accuse Israel of “genocide,” and demand that Harvard “divest[] from Israeli apartheid that is funding genocide in Gaza.” The mob disrupted multiple classes, leading Jewish students to flee for their safety, with some removing identifying garb to avoid attack.””
[…]
“”Jewish students, including SAA Member #1 and SAA Member #2, immediately went to the Dean of Students and Community Engagement, Equity, and Belonging (“CEEB”) offices, only to find the offices locked with staffers already safely inside. One staffer ultimately came to the door to tell the Jewish students to wait in another room until the administrators were ready to meet.””
(From a lawsuit against Harvard.)
That’s the “I” in “DEI”. I mean, the “B” in “Belonging.”
Be careful to step over the bodies on your way out. You don’t want to trip or get your feet dirty.
A smart guy once said: “You all just assert, or at best take a single anecdote, and generalize.”
Plus, to generalize based on this anecdote, you would need to assume DEI is about more than affirmative action, and selection decisions, in contradiction to what you posted above. Because for all the legit issues with Jewish students on campus, selection and representation in academia is not one of them.
So be consistent – is DEI just affirmative action as you posit above, or is it more, in which case Harvard is being hypocritical, but you’re full of shit?
Affirmative action did not include explicitly named committees that required people, through “training,” to admit the significance of race in their own lives and everywhere else. That’s a very different enterprise from helping people to be more successful.
One is trying to help people. Another is trying change people’s thinking by requiring them to situate their thinking in accordance with a race-essential viewpoint.
UW Law School’s DEI training, as described here, is the second enterprise described above. It is political indoctrination, intended to instill sensitivity, not to all disadvantaged people, but to particular groups based on historical disadvantages. Which groups are on their disadvantaged lists probably varies some from committee to committee. But “black” leads the list, with “lgbtq” and “brown” on there in some way or another. And “native American.” And the [blahblahs], and the [blahblahs]. (And NOT Jews.)
You know what’s a much better proxy for disadvantage? Household income. But no. That doesn’t draw the line in the right place for DEI people.
One is trying to help people. Another is trying change people’s thinking by requiring them to situate their thinking in accordance with a race-essential viewpoint.
Apart from still not being what DEI is and does (you just assert things!), this definition would seem to let Harvard off the hook from your link above; is it not a virtue that Harvard is not trying to change people’s thinking re: Israel?
You know what’s a much better proxy for disadvantage? Household income.
Yeah, and DEI knows this. You’re the one with a racial chip on your shoulder that focuses you like a laser on how oppressed white people are.
I consider myself very much on the left but the underlying problem with DEI (even if it’s just a bad idea not a violation of academic freedom) is the expectation that the institution is going to act to advance social good rather than its own interests. Sadly, the proliferation of DEI training in academia has, imo, mostly served to convince a certain class of professor they and merit based promotion are under attack and convince them they need to actively vote against minority hires to counterbalance this. That’s worse than nothing.
Taken seriously, I could imagine some kind of evidence based DEI course being quite helpful. However, such training might not say the things many people want it to say nor protect the institution from lawsuit.
Basically DEI training is to racial/gender/etc harmony as was DARE training to keeping kids off drugs. Sure, in theory talking to kids about drugs could help but only if you were willing to be honest and say things like: weed isn’t really much of a problem…meth and heroin are. DARE couldn’t do that anymore than DEI training can create an honest conversation.
A difficulty with having any rational discussion on this issue is that terms like “DEI training” can cover very different things.
Clearly, employers can train employees in things that employees disagree with. Employees can’t get out of training in production procedures just because it were up to them they would run the production line in a different way. It seems pretty clear employers can train people in rules, procedures, and similar regardless of whether employees agree with them or not. The constitution does not require workplace anarchy, or even democracy.
Are things different when the training consists of matters of opinion? It’s not so clear that it is. I don’t think a fact/opinion distinction is useful or even tenable for in this context. It seems to me that, for example, we would not want to prohibit management from providing its reasoning for its choice of particular rules and procedures. A world where a workplace gets to say “these are the rules,” but doesn’t get to say why because somebody might disagree and feel hurt, does not strike me as advancing any legitimate First Amendment interest.
So what are we left with? I think we are left only with cases where a training so beats on people that it constitutes harassment. And frankly, this strikes me as constituting a narrow set of cases. All the reasons for not being quick to let people on the left claim they’ve been harassed just because someone expresses an opinion they disagree with and claim to feel hurt by strike me as also being reasons, equally good reasons, not to be quick to let people on the right do the same thing.
Further, this automatic association of the general topic of DEI with harassment as harassment strikes me as totally bogus, just as bogus as right-wing Jews claiming to be harassed whenever someone brings up the idea of a Palestinian state or criticizes the Israeli harassment. Simply claiming any discussion of DEI related topics is harassment of white people is just blowing shit out of ones ass. It’s like claiming pension plans or fluoridated water or health care subsidies are totalitarian communist plots.
In a constitutional democracy, people just have to have thick skins. They can’t be lilly-livered snowflakes who go whining to Mama everytime they encounter an opinion they don’t like.
That’s just as true for people on the right as it is for people on the left.
One can easily run a DEI training that may make some people uncomfortable, but that doesn’t constitute harassment by any reasonable definition.
Sorry, criticizing the Israeli government.
I think a Venn diagram would show fhat the set of commentators claiming that DEI trajnings NECESSARILY consist of, ARE nothing but, anti-white bigots beating up white people, are pretty much the same people as the people who claim floridating the water is a communist plot, social security is a communist plot, Obamacare is a communist plot, President Biden is a communist plot, etc. etc. etc.
“Clearly, employers can train employees in things that employees disagree with. Employees can’t get out of training in production procedures just because it were up to them they would run the production line in a different way. It seems pretty clear employers can train people in rules, procedures, and similar regardless of whether employees agree with them or not. The constitution does not require workplace anarchy, or even democracy.”
Yes. Employers can train. And they can dictate procedures. And they can even (I suspect) write a script and require an employee to recite the script.
The difference here is not that the DEI enterprise, in this case and numerous others, insists on more than behavior. It’s that it compels speech. In the zeal of the DEI enterprise to obtain belief, it insists that you describe your life in racialized terms, regardless of whether you see your life that way. For example, as in this worksheet:
“Use this space on the front and/or back to create a timeline of significant life events around race […] Then add in moments about your social identities that shaped you – recognizing difference, facing discrimination, consuming media, etc.”
This DEI exercise REQUIRES a person to speak, in theory from the heart, but by requirement, in prescribed [racial/political] terms with prescribed [racial/political] emphasis. It compels a person to produce a type of speech that comes from where? From the heart? From a script? From somebody’s expectations of what?
You don’t have a racialized context to your life story? Well, in this exercise, you *must*. *That’s* the drill. WRITE IT DOWN. We’ll be referring back to it later.
This isn’t training. It goes beyond compelling behavior. It is compelled speech.
Man, even for a tender snowflake you’re a whiny one.
Lots of mandatory trainings are much more focused on compelled speech than these worksheets you’re so afraid of. Have you never been to a training involving role-playing, for example, like, you be the interviewer and you be the candidate, here’s some guidelines, you’re being videotaped and we’re going to dissect your every word as an object lesson? No?
in theory from the heart
Just because you’re too much of a chickenshit to say what you think doesn’t mean you’re being oppressed. Jesus fucking christ, get a grip.
White people’s belief that the police, courts, the legal system and social services work without bias; that due process, fair trials, juries, judges, police officers and case workers have everyone’s, including people of color, best interest at heart. Or at least, no less than they do for white people. This belief clouds reality. Whites tend to look at isolated incidents rather than the patterns of institutionalized oppression.
Teach it, DEI. Teach it!
While there is probably no harm in the “sorry,” if it is not
attached to some action taken against racism, it is most often just
another expression of white guilt. Being an ally to people of color
is not limited to an apology for other white people’s behavior, it
must include anti-racist action.
Insight brought to you by DEI.
“I have no connection with or accountability to people of
color. I do all my anti-racism with whites only. I am
accountable only to other white people.”
While it is vitally important for white anti-racists to work with
other white people, this detour results in white people again
controlling the direction and focus of anti-racism work.
Insight brought to you by DEI.
Sometimes you seek or expect from people of color
some public or private recognition and appreciation for
your anti-racism. Other times you are looking for a
“certificate of innocence” telling you, that you are one of the
good white people.
Insight brought to you by DEI.
An individual person of color abusing a white person is acting out a personal racial prejudice, not racism.
Insight brought to you by DEI.
Each anti-racist action we take brings new racist action and
challenges. People of color will continue to demand their
rights, opportunities and full personhood. But racism in the
United States won’t end because people of color demand it.
Racism will only end when a significant number of white
people of conscience, the people who can wield systemic
privilege and power with integrity, find the will and take the
action to dismantle it. This won’t happen until white people
find racism in their daily consciousness as often as people
of color do. For now you have to drag racism into your
consciousness intentionally, for, unlike your sisters and
brothers of color, the most present daily manifestation of
your white privilege is the possibility of forgetting about
racism. We cannot.
Insight brought to you by DEI.
So… you gave up on your compelled speech whine and are now just sort of mocking some random DEI literature?
We get it, you hate Black people. Good for you.
Mocking random DEI literature? Did you not read the DEI literature that we’re discussing here? Here you go, buddy.
Are you drunkposting?
Whatever this is, it doesn’t seem a healthy use of time.
Randal:
You don’t talk about our obligations to engage in anti-racist actions on behalf of our sisters and brothers of color.
I don’t think you’re up to speed on DEI. And I don’t think you represent it with the spirit of anti-racist activism from which it was spawned and within which it remains firmly rooted.
You soft-peddling it, like it’s just a little classroom exercise, is a denial of the genuine scale of systemic racism and the active participation that it will take, from white people, to dismantle oppression.
I know how to read. I know how to learn. On behalf of my sisters and brothers of color, I embrace the challenge of our legacy of racism.
And you? You’re a poser.
ReaderY has your number: I think a Venn diagram would show fhat the set of commentators claiming that DEI trajnings NECESSARILY consist of, ARE nothing but, anti-white bigots beating up white people, are pretty much the same people as the people who claim floridating the water is a communist plot, social security is a communist plot, Obamacare is a communist plot, President Biden is a communist plot, etc. etc. etc.
I disagree with that Venn diagram.
It’s the same vibes-not-facts jam, played for the suckers by the sub-FOX right wing media, and picked up by same as gospel.
This, a salty discussion at the bottom of the VC page, is beating up on white people? Fluoridated water? Communist plots?
What the hell are you going on about?
I’m throwing in with Sarcastr0 on this diagnosis. My advice: be sure to drink some water before you pass out, you’ll thank yourself tomorrow.
When I wake up tomorrow, that bullshit I posted above will still be the official training materials at the University of Wisconsin Law School. Verbatim.
So, no, this isn’t some bad dream of mine. You just pretend it is.
Because posting verbatim bullshit is somehow clever? That’s how we know you’re drunk. Everybody employed in America deals with reams of bullshit every day. It’s not an insightful source of commentary.
What’s up with airplane food, am I right? Who can even understand the kids these days with their sling slang words and nonsense? Have you ever noticed how you’re always running out of gas at the worst possible time? Modern technology is such a mystery, what even is a face-tok insta-tweet? What do lying politicians have in common with death and taxes? How come wives always seem to have headaches? Knock knock, who’s there? Bwaaah. Bwaaah who? Bwaaah waaah I’m always whining about trite, stale grievances.
“You all just assert, or at best take a single anecdote, and generalize.”
Still doing it, eh?
I largely agree with the point but where did harassment come from? Did you mean “restrict academic employees academic freedom” everywhere you wrote harassment? That seems correct but in general there can be violations of academic freedom that aren’t harassment.
I dislike such ideologically indoctrinating trainings and believe they aren’t things a university should do but academic freedom seems the wrong bucket in which to ground objections.
A university doesn’t violate the academic freedom of faculty members who believe, even if a consequence of their research, that the university doesn’t offer a good deal to students by making them attend the usual meetings talking up the university and its mission. It merely expresses its own views. As long as the faculty remain free to have contrary ones how does this differ from asking students to take classes exposing claims they might disagree with?
So, nothing at all to do with DIE.
“Individuals, she finds, are more likely to share their views in an environment that does not belittle, or worse, punish those who offer differing opinions, particularly to more powerful colleagues.”
It’s hard to come up with a stronger argument against DEI than this sentence.
Presumably they don’t actually climb Mt. Everest in this exercise, so in what way do they “outperform”? Why would one design an experiment that can’t have tangible results rather than one that can?
Meanwhile, the Soviets found that it was better to have just one player as a second in a championship chess match, rather than a team, as it was easier to challenge an incorrect but plausible suggestion
Today I learned that no plan to climb Mount Everest can be evaluated except by implementing it. Thanks!
Well, you certainly get a more accurate evaluation when the plan hits the mountain. For example, there were lots of expert opinions that Everest couldn’t be climbed without carrying oxygen. Then Messner and Habeler just went ahead and climbed it anyway.
As Mike Tyson said ‘Everybody has a plan until they get hit’. Until they do, it’s hard to know who has the best plan.
The proof of the pudding is in the eating, as they say. (Or “The proof is in the pudding,” as semi-literate people say.)
“more accurate evaluation” is different than “no tangible results”.
One can judge a pudding by observing its preparation, by smell and by appearance without eating any of it; maybe not optimal, but still possible to rank puddings.
Is that all it takes to confuse you?
As usual. No shocker that groups that don’t belittle or attack other members tend to perform better. Ever played Dungeons and Dragons? Same dynamic.
Pretty much.
Cult members are not known for their abilities for discernment.