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Can the Government Say: If You Want to Sell Us These Products, You Must Answer Our Questions About Them?
No, said the Fifth Circuit, at least when the products were library books, and the questions were about whether the books included sexual content.
From today's Fifth Circuit decision in Book People, Inc. v. Wong, written by Judge Don Willett and joined by Judges Jacques Wiener and Dana Douglas:
In an effort to keep material deemed inappropriate off Texas public- school bookshelves, the Texas Legislature in 2023 passed the Restricting Explicit and Adult-Designated Educational Resources Act (READER). In short, the Act requires school book vendors who want to do business with Texas public schools to issue sexual-content ratings for all library materials they have ever sold (or will sell), flagging any materials deemed to be "sexually explicit" or "sexually relevant" based on the materials' depictions of or references to sex….
The Act requires vendors to give all library material a rating of "sexually explicit," "sexually relevant," or "no rating." …
"Sexually explicit material" means any … material, … other than library material directly related to the curriculum required under Section 28.002(a), that describes, depicts, or portrays sexual conduct, … in a way that is patently offensive ….
"Sexually relevant material" [is defined the same way, but without the "patently offensive" requirement -EV].
The Penal Code, in turn, defines "sexual conduct" as "sexual contact, actual or simulated sexual intercourse, deviate sexual intercourse, sexual bestiality, masturbation, sado-masochistic abuse, or lewd exhibition of the genitals, the anus, or any portion of the female breast below the top of the areola."And it defines "patently offensive" as "so offensive on its face as to affront current community standards of decency."
Once the vendors have rated the material, they must then submit to the Texas Education Agency (TEA) a list of the material rated as sexually explicit or sexually relevant. Material rated sexually explicit may not be sold to school districts and must be removed from library bookshelves. And vendors must issue a recall for all material that is rated sexually explicit and in active use by a school district. Material rated sexually relevant may not be "reserve[d], check[ed] out, or otherwise use[d] outside the school library" without written parental consent…. TEA must … post "each list submitted … in a conspicuous place on the agency's Internet website as soon as practicable." …
READER provides the following "rating guidelines" for vendors to follow in determining whether material is sexually explicit or sexually relevant. [Details omitted. -EV] … Once vendors submit their ratings, TEA "may review" the "material sold by a … vendor that is not rated or incorrectly rated by the vendor." If TEA undertakes this review and determines that a different rating, or no rating at all, should be applied to certain material, … the vendor then [must] "… rate the library material according to the agency's corrected rating …." ….
The court upheld a preliminary injunction blocking the law. It began by concluding that READER compels private speech, and doesn't just involve government speech (the way a government-administered rating system likely would); an excerpt:
[T]he public is not likely to attribute the ratings to the Agency…. [A]lthough the ratings will be posted on TEA's website, the public will be able to see how each vendor rated material and will attribute the ratings to the vendor—not TEA….
[T]he State argues that the ratings are TEA's speech because the Act allows TEA to review the vendors' ratings and issue corrected ratings…. [But] Section 35.003 allows TEA to notify the vendors that a corrected rating is needed. It is the vendor that must issue the corrected rating—not the agency. The corrected rating is again put on TEA's website and attributed to the vendor. And, as the district court concluded, although TEA may review ratings, it doesn't have to….
And the court concluded that the compulsion was likely unconstitutional:
"[T]he right of freedom of thought protected by the First Amendment against state action includes both the right to speak freely and the right to refrain from speaking at all." Here, Plaintiffs "wish to stay silent and not express any public view on the appropriateness of various books." But the law requires Plaintiffs to "either speak as the State demands" or suffer the consequences….
We have recognized that "[t]here is no right to refrain from speaking when 'essential operations of government require it for the preservation of an orderly society.'" This exception has been applied to sex offender registration requirements, disclosures on IRS forms, and demographic information for the census. But we have noted that there is "limited" precedent on the exception. Even assuming that READER's rating system is part of an essential government operation, the ratings are unlike any information to which courts have applied the exception.
READER requires vendors to decide whether library materials are sexually explicit or sexually relevant according to guidelines that require them to undertake a contextual analysis of material, weighing and balancing several factors. This goes beyond a mere disclosure of demographic or similar factual information. We therefore conclude that the exception does not apply….
"Commercial speech is '[e]xpression related solely to the economic interests of the speaker and its audience.'" It has also been defined as "speech which does 'no more than propose a commercial transaction.'" … Assuming the ratings are commercial speech, we must decide whether they unconstitutionally compel Plaintiffs' speech. In Zauderer v. Office of Disciplinary Counsel (1985), the Supreme Court explained that "the State may at times 'prescribe what shall be orthodox in commercial advertising' by requiring the dissemination of 'purely factual and uncontroversial information.'" But "outside that context[,] it may not compel affirmance of a belief with which the speaker disagrees."
According to the State, Zauderer applies here because the library- material ratings are "purely factual and uncontroversial" like a nutrition label; they simply tell the buyer what they are receiving rather than pass judgment or express a view on the material's appropriateness for children. We disagree. The ratings READER requires are neither factual nor uncontroversial. The statute requires vendors to undertake contextual analyses, weighing and balancing many factors {the explicitness or graphic nature of a description or depiction of sexual conduct contained in the material[,] … whether the material consists predominantly of or contains multiple repetitions of depictions of sexual or excretory organs or activities[,] and … whether a reasonable person would find that the material intentionally panders to, titillates, or shocks the reader} to determine a rating for each book. Balancing a myriad of factors that depend on community standards is anything but the mere disclosure of factual information. And it has already proven controversial.
I need to think about this more, but my tentative reaction is to be skeptical of the court's rationale. The government isn't generally ordering all publishers to rate their books. Rather, it is saying that, if you want to sell your books to a government purchaser, you have to give us certain information, which we'll use in various ways, including conveying it to the public. That seems to be a permissible requirement for the government to impose as buyer. (I acknowledge that this requirement isn't just for books sold to the State of Texas, but also for books sold to political subdivisions; but from a federal constitution perspective, that's all "the state," since the state Legislature has power over the state's subdivisions.)
Thus, for instance, if Texas is considering buying new versions of software, I think it can require companies to provide statements explaining how the new versions are better than the old (and thus why upgrading is justified), even if the statement is evaluative and not "purely factual and uncontroversial." If it's considering buying new textbooks for its college classes, I think it can require companies to provide statements explaining how they think their textbooks are better than their rivals', though of course that would be far from "purely factual and uncontroversial." And if it's considering buying new books for its libraries, I think it can require companies to state whether the books contain certain kinds of material (whether sexual content or vulgarities or racial slurs or what have you). The state doesn't have to buy products whose vendors aren't willing to answer the state's questions about the products.
To be sure, the requirement that companies change their ratings to comply with the TEA's demanded "correct[ions]" might be improper. (Why not have the TEA at that point just note on its site and in its communications to libraries the TEA's own rating, rather than requiring companies to provide, in their own voice, a rating that differs from what they themselves thought was right?) But as I read the court opinion, it applies to the requirement that the publishers provide their own ratings, and not just a requirement that they adopt the TEA's rating.
The court opinion also isn't focused on the requirement being for products that are themselves constitutionally protected, such as books; its logic would, I think, apply to my software example, and to lots of other examples: The court is focusing on the compulsion that the seller speak about its own products, something that sellers of all sorts of products (books or otherwise) do. And in any event, as my textbook example illustrates, I think the government can indeed insist that, before it buys any product—constitutionally protected or otherwise—the seller be willing to tell the government what the product does or contains.
Finally, note that the challengers argued that the READER requirements are unconstitutionally vague, and they might well be right, especially as to "so offensive on its face as to affront current community standards of decency" (which is related to one prong of the obscenity test, but might be impermissible when the other prongs, such as the serious value or the shameful-or-morbid-interest prong, are omitted). But the panel expressly declined to rest its decision on the vagueness argument, since it concluded that the law was likely an unconstitutional speech compulsion.
Again, though, this is my tentative thinking; I'd love to hear what others think (and of course we see that the three judges don't think about this the way I do).
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I mean, taken to its extreme...
"We're selling a book. Librarian, do you want to buy it for your library?"
"What's the book about?"
"You can't ask us that!"
Then don't buy it. The Fifth Circuit isn't forcing Texas to buy any books.
Well, take that argument to it's logical conclusion.
"The government didn't buy our book because we didn't answer its questions! We want to sue them!"
Sounds like some really fun negotiations.
“We’re selling a book. Librarian, do you want to buy it for your library?”
“What’s the book about?”
“You can’t ask us that!”
"Oh, right. Well, I won't buy your book since I don't know what's in it and by law I can't ask you, but if you happen to mention what the book is about, then that might influence my decision-making. "
Yeah that's pretty much right.
"Won't answer? Then no, I don't"
A rather big part of the law is removing the ability of librarians to decide for themselves if a book is appropriate for their library.
Another fun part is under this law is that one person challenging a rating can remove it from all libraries.
Consider a book that gets rated, sold to a bunch of libraries, and everyone is happy. Then one anti-gay conservative activist (pretend they exist, I know they don't, but let's pretend!) reads the book and says it should have been rated as sexually offensive rather then sexually relevant, what with the book admitting that gay and trans teens exist.
Suddenly the vendor has to buy the book back from everyone because one busybody decided they had a problem with gay people (I know, never happens, but bear with me!)
And this can happen anytime. Could be a week after purchases. Could be a decade. There's no statute of limitations on the buy-back.
It's top-down cultural authoritarianism, stripping local control, and making everything a race to the lowest common denominator.
And Volokh loves it.
1. Is this not limited to public school libraries ?
2. And librarians employed by the state ? Is it not normal for state employees to be restricted - in their working hours - from doing what their employee tells them not to do ?
3. Is it correct that a mere complaint by a single person forces the recall ? There's no adjudication mechanism for whether the complainer's rating or the publisher's rating is more accurate ?
4. Is it possible that you are exaggerating ?
Haven't you heard? Librarians are not supposed to be accountable to the public or to elected officials. Librarians are the only people qualified to decide what goes into their libraries. Unless a previous librarian decided the book should be there, in which case it should stay, as long as it contains left-approved content like graphic descriptions of sex and not left-disapproved content like approval of hard work or merit.
Two workarounds:
1. They have to send samples for pre-review.
2. They have to send samples for pre-review to a state agency, which will rate them. Then schools can only buy those with certain ratings. This was more or less what they had for movies, although the rating agency was a private company, IIRC.
Puts what is likely too much work (and grounds for lawsuits) on the government.
Yeah but who wants to have to read all the gay pornography and pedophilia they are trying to put in libraries? Other than people who would want them in school libraries.
Different workaround :
1. The State creates and maintains a list of "state approved books"
2. School districts can add "district approved books" subject to a three month public notice period, in which parents of children in the school district are entitled to see the book and lodge objections
3. If there are more than X objections from parents, the district can't add the book to its "district approved" list
The theory being, the state list should be entirely adequate to deliver the requiste education, but some local flexibiity should be permitted, subject to parental acquiescence. But if you want to add books that even quite a small minority of parents object to, your noogies will be tough.
In practice, the Christian Right parents will quickly develop a regular network to read the books the commies and pervs are trying to infect their kids with; likewise the Commies and Pervs will develop a network to identify anything that hints at the existence og God, nuclear families or heterosexuality, and we'll be left with the state list. Unless we are in a school district with mostly middle of the road parental units.
First, Texas is a schoolbook incorporation state -- the STATE selects and physically buys *all* the schoolbooks and then distributes them to the various schools. (Remember the Dallas School Book Depository and JFK -- that's what the building was for.)
I see this as a state writing (and then enforcing) a RFP -- Request for Proposals -- from vendors.
Texas buys concrete for bridges, there are specifications for the concrete, and from time to time you hear of criminal prosecutions of concrete companies that supplied "inferior" concrete. There's no first amendment issue there -- their product failed to meet specs or was contaminated.
Likewise companies that provide inferior or contaminated food to state facilities, or gasoline that was inferior or contaminated to the state police.
So why can't Texas write a RFP on school library books as well.
Much as Texas can say no dirt in the concrete, no bugs in the food, and no water in the gasoline, why can't it say no sex in the books?
That's no more first amendment than supplying purple bridge paint when the state ordered green -- yes purple is a first amendment issue, and yes both paints will protect from rust equally well (a darker color in Texas might not) but the vendor does not have a first amendment right here.
The vendor COULD give Texas a massive discount on Purple paint to encourage it's purpose, but if Texas (or Tom the Homeowner) thinks he's getting green, it better BE green...
Texas certainly could write an RFP on school library books. What this law required was nothing even remotely like an RFP.
An RFP says "here are the specifications of what we want to buy - sell us stuff that meets those specifications". This law said "evaluate the stuff we already bought or will buy in the future based on these ambiguous criteria but when someone complains, change your evaluation to what we think."
A law that would look more like an RFP (and be constitutionally defensible) would simply say something like "don't sell us sexually-explicit content in the future" (along with 'here's what we mean by sexually-explicit' and 'here's what we intend to do on our own about the stuff you previously sold us').
It's not obvious to me that if the state introduces new standards for concrete quality used in its highway program, for new procurement, that it can't add -
and for past procurements from you, when we had no standards, tell us the quality of concrete you used. If you don't want to, then don't bother bidding for any new contracts.
That would be a cheap way for the state to find out about low quality concrete in its highway system.
I suspect both laws impose costs unfairly on the basis of how much previous business the company did with the state.
In the case of concrete, or out-of-print books, it's possible that the business does not have records that would enable them to answer the question. Without prior notice that they would need to keep such information, it seems unjust to bar them from further bidding.
I have a lot less concern about a prospective buyer asking about books or concrete that a potential supplier offers for future business.
I suspect in practice Acme Concrete Corp would simply form another corporation Acme New And Totally Different Concrete Corp to bid for new contracts. Likewise publishers.
Two points:
First, I think it is valid to suggest that a vendor must provide proprietary information to a potential purchaser, even if that purchaser is a government entity. However, it is far different to require that information be publicly disseminated. The information in this case is not intended to be used for or disseminated solely as part of the purchasing process.
Second, assuming without conceding that it may be reasonable to require such information for books that "Texas" will purchase, at least as I read the opinion, this goes far beyond that: "the Act requires school book vendors who want to do business with Texas public schools to issue sexual-content ratings for all library materials they have ever sold (or will sell)" So this appears to require that one of the big publishers must also provide this information for books never offered for sale in Texas that are published in Icelandic. Or haven't been published since the 19th century and all known copies were destroyed in World War II. There does not seem to be any justification for such a broad requirement.
1. I don't think this case has anything to do with proprietary information. There are no trade secrets involved.
2. I agree, it seems that the law is way overbroad. Would be better if they limited it to books that are being offered to Texas schools.
Maybe Texas can just rewrite the law to involve a checklist that involves facts instead of interpretations.
Does this book:
(a) discuss cunnilingus?
(b) discuss fellatio?
(c) sex toys including
vibrators, dildos, strapons, sex dolls, yada, yada....
(a) contain graphic depictions of
How many Texans are smart and informed enough to recognize that the Bible those hayseeds claim to revere contains plenty of degenerate sex stuff?
Texas should have been made an unincorporated territory after the Civil War.
Was it General Sheridan who did duty in Texas after the Civil War, and said afterward that if he owned both Hell and Texas, he would live in Hell and rent out Texas?
So they either say the quiet part out loud by putting into a law that they want to ban books that include queer people, or they fail at their obvious objective to ban books that include queer people.
Sounds like a lose-lose scenario for Texas, so I'm not surprised they didn't go down that route.
Or you could, like Volokh, put your head in the sand and pretend this isn't about culture, and is just about sex. But do you want to look that foolish?
So this appears to require that one of the big publishers must also provide this information for books never offered for sale in Texas that are published in Icelandic. Or haven’t been published since the 19th century and all known copies were destroyed in World War II. There does not seem to be any justification for such a broad requirement.
Of course not.
And the obvious thing to do is what B.L. suggested - get samples.
Now that I think of it, IIRC, Texas already reviews books for other reasons. See here: https://tea.texas.gov/academics/instructional-materials.
Certainly, they want to make sure that the materials and textbooks appropriately teach each subject at grade level, etc.
I think the law is aimed at library books rather than textbooks.
I may be confusing this with California, but memory is that one (if not both) of those states incorporates school LIBRARY books.
Which are, of course, grade appropriate -- 2nd graders and 12th graders being different.
When you look at the big incorporation states -- Florida, Texas, & California -- and go back pre-WWII, they were geographically large states with an awful lot of really small schools that couldn't afford a curriculum committee or even a professional librarian.
So the state would ask how many kids in which grades and send boxes of books, along with curriculum guides and the rest. (Maine did that until school consolidation started in the 1960s, I believe other states did as well.)
I think they are trying to blacklist publishers -- if you publish Dick Does Tom, then you lose access to the larger library market.
What Texas should do is establish a volunteer body of citizens and have THEM rate the books -- which is exactly how movies are rated.
One thing which I find troubling about this, is that Texas did not force any book seller to do anything. It conditioned purchases by publicly funded schools on the sellers rating the books. The books can still be sold in book shops and online with or without a rating. That's not exactly forced speech.
There are many federal and state regulations requiring disclosures about many products. Gas mileage on a car comes to mind. Or the Surgeon General's warning on cigarettes. Are those forced speech?
I see the Court made a distinction between purely factual forced disclosures, and those requiring some opinion or affirmation of belief. Not convinced that distinction is valid.
So the argument is that these ratings are potentially controversial and not objective, therefore not "factual", therefore they are protected by 1A?
Could Texas resolve this by doing the rating itself? Or by just correctly labeling TEA ratings that override vendor ratings, thus avoiding the "compelled speech" of the TEA rating being attributed to the vendor?
"Could Texas resolve this by doing the rating itself? "
Sure it could. That would mean paying people to review and rate the books.
But somebody paid by the state is presumably already doing that ?
Or do the people who buy books for schools typically buy books unseen ?
Librarians probably only read the marketing blurb and reviews and consider the reputation of an established author.
For textbooks, I expect schools rely on a committee to have read them and decided whether the diagrams of the male and female reproductive systems look too sexy.
Man, those textbook sexiness evaluation committee meetings probably get wild.
Once they get your email address, the textbook publishers will bury you in emails about all their new books, they'll send brochures in the mail, and offer you a free "desk" copy if it looks like a book you might use for a course next year.
BIG TIME advertising.
You do realize that part of this law is to take professional judgement and discernment out of the hands of librarians, right?
The Texas legislature doesn't want a librarian in Austin to say "my school has a bunch of queer students, they might appreciate this novel about a gay superhero."
Current Texas Republicans are very much against local control.
You do realize that part of this law is to take professional judgement and discernment out of the hands of librarians, right?
I think it’s more about taking the political “judgement and discernment” out of the hands of state employed librarians.
I agree that there’s a question of local control involved. But there’s a whole hierarchy of locality to be considered :
1. federal control* 2. state control 3. local control (maybe several layers) 4. individual control
Generally anyone with political power is uncomfortable with 4 (though lefties usually more uncomfortable than righties.) And then it’s a question of where you have the power in the political system. Those with local power disfavor being overtrumped by the state, those with state power disfavor being trumped by the feds, or undermined by the locals.
Again lefties are in theory less attached to the “principle of subsidiarity” than righties, but neither team is remotely principled about it.
IMHO, the right is being foolish about this phase of the culture wars. They are trying legislation which is a very blunt instrument, when they should be trying executive power – ie in the areas they control they should use executive power – eg appointing librarians they trust. (De Santis made the first baby step here by appointing a slate of good solid right wingers to the board of a state college. A journey of a thousand miles etc.)
And on the state v local thing, they should try to win the battle in their own backyard first. There are districts and states that vote Republican but the bureaucracy in those districts and states is still infested with lefties. They should clean their own stables first.
Only then should they worry about whether or not it is wise to try to impose Republican state control over Democrat localities.
But nobody has ever suspected the Republicans of being smart, or understanding their own interests. This just shows that the time for suspecting such a wonder has not yet come.
* and there's "international law" on top, in case national power falls into the wrong hands.
They are trying legislation which is a very blunt instrument, when they should be trying executive power
I should be clearer - there is a role for legislation. Before they deploy executive power, they need to be sure that the law permits the necessary executive power to be exercised.
But the heavy lifting has to be done by executive power.
So what if it is arguably an opinion? The only "penalty" if the state disagrees with the ratings is the state not buying your books. Which they're entitled to do anyway.
To be clear, it looks to me like the workload this law demands would cause most vendors to tell the state to go take a hike, and the remainder to double their prices. The retrospective reach is crazy.
But "unreasonable" and "unconstutional" aren't the same thing.
I think "we won't contract with you unless you say X" has been found coercive in other contexts, no? Like, if BDS had been found to be speech, the anti-BDS laws would've been unconstitutional for this reason.
MPAA ratings and RIAA parental advisories are voluntary, industry-defined ratings, exactly to avoid this kind of thing. If a publisher wanted to come up with a rating system, or the publishing industry as a whole, then I'm sure Texas would appreciate it. It could even require schools to only purchase books of particular ratings... as long as the ratings are voluntary and defined by the publisher(s).
Randal, Texas can't specify 3/16" crushed rock in its top coat paving mix?
I'm sure it does, and that is a characteristic essential to the product being used for what it is intended to be used.
So why can't Texas specify that the word "N*gger" not appear in a book that it is purchasing for a school library -- for equal reasons?
It's writing RFPs...
It can do both of those things.
It just can’t force the suppliers to make specific statements like “We provide 3/16″ crushed rock, which is the very best size” or “This book has sexually relevant material, which means it has material that we think Texas would think is relevant to sex according to their definition which is blah blah blah.”
You guys got all upset about DEI statements, this is similar.
DEI statements disclose the presence of content that may be harmful to children?
OK, I just don't get it. "If you want to sell these products"? Sure, perfect sense. The government's got very little excuse telling people under what conditions they can sell stuff between each other, that used to be a recognized civil right, after all. God willing, maybe someday it will be, again.
"If you want to sell US these products"? That's insane. As the purchaser, they're entitled to set any reasonable standard, and knowing what's in the product is the most reasonable standard imaginable!
You don't like it? Don't sell to them.
I would actually go further and say Texas is entitled to even an unreasonable standard. The ultimate resolution is market-based, if the standards get too crazy then book sellers will just not try selling books to Texas. I don't think this policy is particularly wise, but there's no real constitutional problems here.
Texas can set any standards it wants. That's not the problem.
The problem is requiring publishers to publicize their products in particular ways that coerce speech. Imagine an extreme example: a law requiring all books purchased by Texas to include a "DEI Affirmation" page saying "the publishers of this book are dedicated to upholding the principles of DEI including that white people like SomeGuy are oppressive assholes."
Do you see how that would be a problem?
Publishers are only required to comply if they want to sell books to the government of Texas. If they don't want comply with either the actual law or hypothetical, then don't do it and don't sell. Texas can make "stand on one foot and sing 'I'm A Little Teapot'" a requirement for sale if they feel like it.
Can they make you give up your guns? We only buy from gun-free business owners?
If you can find a way to tie it to any actual reasonable reason to demand such information, we can consider it.
But I fail to see how possession of guns is relevant to book publishing.
But standing on one foot and singing "I'm a little teapot" is relevant to book publishing. I see. You guys are so smart.
No more than the now-repealed Massachusetts laws about the British in Northern Ireland....
Does the Texas law require anything to be added, removed from, or changed in the books themselves? If not, I think a "DEI affirmation" page requirement is easily distinguished.
The strongest argument against this law (to me) relates to publishers being required to repeat the state's "corrected rating", but the court rather blithely assumes that such corrected ratings would not have an asterisk or other mark to show "we think it's a different rating".
What's the constitutional difference between this law or your hypothetical and, say, California's Proposition 65 that leads to compelled statements to the public along the lines of "Entering this area may expose you to chemicals known to the state of California to cause cancer and/or reproductive harm"?
Brett, what's being missed here is how the big three (FL, CA, & TX) regulate the content of textbooks for ALL states -- it's cheaper now to print multiple versions, but most textbooks are written so as to be approved by these three states, and that really sucks when you are in other states.
By its market share, the fear is that Texas is going to influence the viability of various school library books and hence de-facto censor content. What it *might* do is create an "approved in Texas" list that influenced school librarians elsewhere, but it isn't like there are just three textbooks (which is true for textbooks).
An explanation of what I am mentioning by 'adoption.'
https://www.ecs.org/clearinghouse/01/09/23/10923.pdf
It's 20 states, but only three BIG ones that are the big players.
A while back Florida got a math textbook killed, I forget the details.
"The court is focusing on the compulsion that the seller speak about its own products, something that sellers of all sorts of products (books or otherwise) do."
I would expect that requirements to meet various standards are commonplace:
-'vendors wishing to sell replacement parts for the State Police helicopter must certify that they meet AN-123456...'
-'vendors wishing to sell electrical equipment for state buildings must certify it meets NEC/UL/whatever...'.
A requirement that all motorcyclists must wear a helmet with a Snell or DOT rating is a requirement that any vendor wishing to sell legally compliant motorcycle helmets must obtain and publish the rating.
Or even 'textbook suppliers must warrant that their textbooks are printer with non-toxic ink'.
"And vendors must issue a recall for all material that is rated sexually explicit and in active use by a school district."
Is this retroactive or prospective?
Applied prospectively it amounts to a warranty that books sold to schools do not contain sexually explicit content. Applied retroactively it is an attempt to undo a completed transaction because the buyer had second thoughts.
I will consult the source but it will take some time.
https://capitol.texas.gov/tlodocs/88R/billtext/html/HB00900F.htm
https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/SDocs/EDUCATIONCODE.pdf
One thing I noticed is the classification requirement applies to all books ever sold, not only books still in active use by schools. A big publisher has to look through the archives of every minor imprint it acquired over the past century. Otherwise it can't sell to Texas.
I see a market opportunity for undercapitalized subsidiaries that exist only to sell one title to Texas libraries.
This was the part that seemed like overreach to me, but also part of my bigger beef with this law: not that it violates free speech, but that it just seems poorly written and like a lot of work and burden, especially on the publishers’ part. Why not just have a purchase advisory board that has to follow certain standards for approval, or than can put an advisory label on a book before a school can buy it? Any book already purchased could either then be labelled or removed by the school according to the guidelines.
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Why not just have a purchase advisory board that [...]
Because that would cost Texas money. Doing it this way costs the publishers money and Texas barely a penny.
Throw in that Texas's legislature probably didn't expect this ridiculous law to get past the courts (though it was probably a surprise it failed so soon), and why would they charge themselves with doing anything? If you're going to pass message legislation that you don't expect to ever go into practice, shove the costs on someone else.
Could they not limit it to any text currently for sale, or reasonably anticipated being reprinted -- with a related disclaimer that it would apply to anything they did sell as a publisher?
I think Texas was trying to get around second-hand book sales but couldn't the second-hand seller be held to the same standard?
This seems like a funny turn of the tables. The music, movie, and tv industries raced to come up with their own rating systems rather than be regulated. It seems not totally unheard of that the state would take an interest in the content of media and either restrict minors from seeing it or give parents/teachers/etc a guide for screening for appropriateness.
I guess my other thought is that you have a right to speech (or not-speech), and maybe even a right to sell in the marketplace, but not a right to have your goods purchased (especially without conditions).
Texas is the same state that has a law that all school literature books be about Texas.
No Tom Sawyer, no Captains Courageous, no Slaughterhouse Five.
I don't know how well this law is enforced...
I wish I could say I was surprised to find Eugene adopting shoddy reasoning in favor of book bans.
It is extremely disingenuous to compare READER ratings and compliance to sales pitches. But as long as we're making sloppy analogies, why stop at sexually explicit or sexually relevant materials? Why not require every book vendor also to evaluate whether their books are "CRT focused" or "CRT relevant," according to a statutory framework that defines "CRT focused" as any material that instructs white students to feel like they should feel guilty for systemic racism, and "CRT relevant" as any material that describes CRT and CRT-adjacent theories? Why not require a similar rating based on how "Christian" the books are?
READER ratings are not just factual, straightforward disclosures of the content of the books in question. They require substantive review and evaluation according to an arbitrary statutory standard (one of the plaintiffs alleged that evaluating their catalogue, which is a prerequisite for continuing to do business with the state, would be so expensive as to put them out of business); they require reporting of ratings to the state; and they require compliance with state "corrections" of those ratings, at the risk of being deemed "noncompliant" and so prohibited from selling any books to the state buyers. They are also not akin to "sales pitches," where vendors must provide some explanation for why their products are superior to others available on the market, because the standard to be applied is dictated by the state - as is the ultimate message itself.
Put another way, for your counterexamples to be apt, Eugene, you need to supply more than just a hypothetical scenario where software or textbook vendors are required explain why their new products are better than old. You need to suppose a framework akin to READER, which involves vendors self-reporting their own compliance with a non-objective standard dictated by the state, as well as those vendors altering their ratings when so directed by the state (as a condition for doing business with the state).
Your back of the envelope legal analysis also simply fails, Eugene, insofar as you don't even grapple with the court's legal reasoning. Start with the basics. Is this compelled speech? If yes, does it fall within an acknowledged exception from the First Amendment's general prohibition on compelled speech? The "purely factual and uncontroversial" standard comes from precedents on the regulation of commercial speech, not "state vendor speech." So you need to match up the READER ratings to examples from that line of cases, not wave your hands around RFPs. In other words, if READER is constitutional as applied to aspiring state vendors, why wouldn't it also be constitutional as applied to booksellers more generally?
Never mind that this whole regulatory framework is rife with opportunities for mischief or abuse. A dispute over a single book can get a vendor tossed from the list. The state is not required to review the ratings, at all, meaning that it can selectively enforce the system against nettlesome vendors. It's intentionally structured to induce vendors to comply, and to "correct" ratings as and when directed by the state.
How a First Amendment scholar can look at this and have their first instinct be, "Hm, seems alright to me," is beyond me. It makes me miss my First Amendment con law professor, from back in the day, who always struck me as shockingly hawkish. There was a time I thought you were like him, Eugene.
That was my take as well - particularized questions directed at a particular product are utterly different than a broad scheme.
So Texas can’t ask T-mobile and Verizon how frequently their cell services drop calls or how often there is background noise before deciding which to buy, because that’s “particularized information about particular products,” and it’s only allowed to ask for information if its questions are part of a “broad scheme” applicable to products of every conceivable kind?
After all, not everybody hates cell phone conversations being dropped or wants quiet lines. Some people like background noise. It’s a purely subjective preference. It’s no less subjective than prefering non-sexually-explicit books.
particularized questions directed at a particular product or service, then.
The question here isn't whether there's a problem with a state buyer declining to buy sexually explicit books.
The question is whether the state can tell a vendor: first, you must tell us whether any of the books you sell are sexually explicit. If they are, you must recall them from our libraries. If you do not, we will not buy any books from you, at all. Second, if you tell us that a book is not sexually explicit, but we decide that it is, you must change your rating (and recall the book). If you do not, we will not buy any books from you, at all. By the way, the standard for "sexually explicit" turns on whether it is "patently offensive," meaning that it is an "affront" to "current community standards of decency."
Suppose you have a publisher who specializes in age-appropriate LGBT fiction. They want to make their catalogue available to Texas schools. How do you think they fare, under READER?
This is of course totally different and clearly much worse than the entirely hypothetical case where the government might pose particularized questions directed at particular Tweets or accounts, with a strong suggestion that Twitter might have legal problems if they were to decide to keep distributing those Tweets or accounts to third parties.
Yo dude no one thinks particularized questions are bad.
Try and apply the Texas scheme to Twitter posts if you think you have an analogous situation.
Who is selling Twitter posts?
There’s a huge difference between the state deciding not to buy something and banning it.
If the state buys Microsoft Windows, is it banning Apple OS? If it buys Verizon, is it banning T-Mobile? If it asks these vendors to supply it with information about how their products will work before it buys, is it compelling speech?
Exactly. It probably would be unconstitutional for Texas to require software vendors to supply particular kinds of statements. But it's totally fine for Texas to require government buyers to evaluate the software before purchasing it. It's in the software vendors' interest to facilitate those evaluations.
Virtually every written sale contract contains representations, warranties, specifications, etc about the product being sold.
It's odd that you think this is such an insightful observation that it needs to be scattered throughout the conversation.
Randal said, "It probably would be unconstitutional for Texas to require software vendors to supply particular kinds of statements."
On the contrary, it's a certainty that Texas does require software vendors to supply particular kinds of statements, and that doing so is not unconstitutional.
By “particular kinds of statements” I meant ones where the content and in particular the meaning is provided by the state… as with these ratings.
Setting a standard is fine. Asking for specifications (with whatever data and format the supplier wants) is fine. Asking for factual representations is fine. Asking for voluntary, third-party certifications is probably fine!
Requiring software vendors to determine their top 3 competitors and rank their feature set to their competitors’ on a scale of one to five stars along with at least one paragraph per feature explaining the ratings, for at least five features of the vendor’s choice and five additional features on the state’s list of features of interest… not fine.
Find the apple you want to compare to the apple, Readery, and stop offering oranges.
There’s a huge difference between the state deciding not to buy something and banning it.
This is not an accurate description of how READER works or what it requires. It expressly requires the recall, by vendors, of any materials they rate as "sexually explicit." It prohibits state buyers from buying any books - including books lacking sexual content - from vendors that are deemed "noncompliant." It requires vendors to rate their catalogues in order to be permitted to sell to state buyers. "It's not a ban!" Well, it's a systematic scrubbing of public school libraries of content deemed inappropriate by the state, done by forcing book vendors to do the dirty work. Call it what you like.
If it asks these vendors to supply it with information about how their products will work before it buys, is it compelling speech?
If it is a requirement of doing business with the state, that a person affirmatively offer information they might prefer to withhold, how is it not compelled speech?
You are trying to avoid the hard question by defining it away. It is obviously compelled speech. The question is then just whether the compelled speech is permitted by the First Amendment. Certainly, it is reasonable for a state buyer to "ask questions" of a potential vendor about their products. It would be unremarkable if the book vendors here were required only to report authors' names, titles, publisher information, ISBN codes, page counts, languages used, and so on. But what READER requires is that the vendors evaluate their entire catalogues for sexual content; to rate that content according to a statutory standard that is not objective; to adjust those ratings if the state disagrees with them, on pain of being deemed noncompliant; to update those ratings annually; and to recall any books deemed "sexually explicit."
Consider a version of READER where vendors were required only to provide their own ratings. Schools might be directed to do certain things with those ratings - like not carry sexually explicit materials and restrict sexually relevant materials as READER requires - and might be required to evaluate the accuracy of the ratings themselves. But the vendors would not, themselves, be threatened with noncompliance if their ratings were mistaken or if they didn't adjust their ratings at state request.
I would agree that such a version of READER would be much less problematic, and more like the vendor examples you've chosen (despite the fact that they don't involve speech). But can you see how it differs in an essential way from how READER actually works?
But the publishers don't have to do anything they don't want to. If selling to Texas is so burdensome or requires speech they don't want to engage in, they're totally free to not do this and forget about Texas as a customer. As a buyer, the State of Texas is generally entitled to be completely unreasonable. The idea that they can't ask questions, even subjective questions, about the products they're buying is absurd.
There is a whole body of case law on unconstitutional conditions placed on people wanting to do business with the state.
Those deal with conditions extraneous to the transaction. Here the State wants to know what it's getting for its money.
No. A condition for compliance is that the vendors adopt ratings that the state assigns to books. A vendor can be barred from doing business if it assigns ratings to its books, those ratings are rejected by the state, and the vendor refuses to adjust its ratings accordingly. That mechanic serves no purpose, on your characterization.
That mechanic absolutely serves a purpose, though: Seeing to it that the state can actually rely on the ratings, instead of having to redundantly rate the books itself.
The mechanic you're describing relates to the state's own ratings. Your excuse for it is nonsensical.
Commercial speech is when the government regulates speech in the marketplace. This is a regulation of what the government itself purchases. It's government as consumer, not government as regulator. As I pointed out, the publishers are free to sell these books in Texas online or in stores.
So the commercial speech line of cases are not obviously applicable. The decision makes a leap that is not clear in the law.
(Some of the provisions, are silly and overbroad, but that does not change the core point that the state can require representations of the content of what it's buying.)
This is a regulation of what the government itself purchases.
No, it's not. It's a law that requires would-be vendors for the state to rate their own books, according to a standard dictated by the state, to then alter those ratings if required by the state, and to recall any books previously sold to the state if a certain rating is assigned. All of this is a condition for doing business with the state, even if none of the books offered by a vendor to the state have any sexual content whatsoever.
It's telling me that no one can defend the law on its terms.
"This is a regulation of what the government itself purchases."
"No, it's not.
blah, blah, blah, "All of this is a condition for doing business with the state"
So, yes, it is.
Brett, the condition applies to the businesses generally, which includes products the government does not plan to purchase as well.
This is a big government imposition on a lot of businesses, that in it'd breadth sweeps in speech being made not on behalf of the government. It also compels speech in a general way, different from the particularized examples Prof. Volokh offers.
But Libertarian Brett is into it; I'm not sure he's seen a regulation on books mentioned on the VC that he hasn't supported.
That's Libertarian Brett for ya.
The condition applies generally to businesses which wish to sell to the state. If they opt out of selling to the state, it doesn't apply to them.
"But Libertarian Brett is into it."
If you think I've approved of this law here, you're simply incapable of reading comprehension. I think it's a probably constitutional bad law, that goes about addressing a small but real problem by imposing a wildly oversized burden on anybody who'd sell books to the state.
Not all bad laws are unconstitutional laws.
For many other people that would fly.
But from you, who argues the Constitution instantiates all sorts of libertarian things well beyond the current legal landscape, and who supports the Florida efforts in this area, your two-step here is mighty convenient.
Still, I cannot prove bad faith, so I'll just note that chilling the speech of businesses which wish to sell to the state is pretty Constitutionally questionable.
So, basically what you're saying is that you've become so wedded to that cardboard cutout you've created in your head and named "Brett", that what the actual Brett says is largely irrelevant at this point.
I'm saying you don't appear to be consistent with past general statements you've made, but nothing is specifically contradictory.
And taking you at your convenient word, you're still arguing the law is legitimate, which is the narrow, big-government reading of the 1A.
Don't expect a cookie.
I have a truly marvelous proof of your hypocrisy, which this margin is too small to contain.
If you aren't able to discern the difference - or are too ends-motivated to acknowledge it - Brett, then maybe you should bow out of this discussion.
"This is a regulation of what the government itself purchases.
No, it’s not. It’s a law that requires would-be vendors for the state..."
You contradict yourself in the space of a few words. "What the government itself purchases" = "would be vendors for the state", because the only penalty for refusing to comply is that the state won't buy your books.
Again. You are apparently too up your own ass to understand the difference, and I'm not interested in walking a bad-faith fuckwit through it like you're a struggling 1L student.
All of that is just typical commercial contract stuff in any other context.
M L making the compelling observation that the First Amendment doesn't place restrictions on private parties entering into commercial contracts.
Virtually every written sale contract contains representations, warranties, specifications, etc, about the product being sold.
On the surface, the idea that this would be compelled speech when the government is the buyer is completely ridiculous.
Beyond that, somebody has to decide which books which will be taught to kids in school or put in the school library. When the school is a government school, then the government is making that decision. There's no problem with the government deciding, "We'll take books A, B, and C, and we're not taking books X, Y, and Z." And that decision is rightly based on the content of the books and whether it is appropriate for kids, useful for education, etc. The idea that this is a "book ban," or that the constitution would require some librarian to make the decision rather than a school board or legislature, is absurd.
As I've said elsewhere, it’s telling me that no one can defend the law on its terms.
"How is this rating system any different from providing contractual warranties and representations?" Start with the fact that they're not contractual warranties and representations. It's requiring vendors to evaluate and report on their books, as a condition for being able to do business with the state.
If the law requires vendors to do this for all of their books, even those that are not being sold to the state, then I agree that's different.
However, are you telling me that if this law only required vendors to make specific representations in connection with specific products they are actually selling to the state, perhaps to be contained in the commercial contracts of sale, regarding sexually explicit content and so forth, then there would be no constitutional problem in your view?
Once again, a common government practice of knowing what they are buying cause a problem only when it applies to children and sex.
Easiest fix: Read the books before buying them.
(main problem is finding literate government employees)
Best Fix: End 'public schools'.
I absolutely agree. The state is trying to outsource the absolutely massive job of evaluating ALL the books in its libraries to the book vendors, as a condition of buying any future books from them. Thinking, I'd assume, that that way the cost will be born by them, not the state.
That's not how economics works. Any vendor that was willing to comply would bake the cost of compliance into its book prices for the state.
Long is doing a pretty tired 'think of the children' schtick which is made a joke by the breadth of this regulation. Just the usual populist excuse for government imposition.
There hasn't been a problem with porn in libraries; it's a problem in search of hostility to places those egghead liberals hang out.
You're also wrong about the market, because there are consumers seeking to purchase these books other than the government.
By some broad definitions, It's a tax on book-readers.
"There hasn’t been a problem with porn in libraries;"
There hasn't been a BIG problem with porn in libraries. It's pretty incautious of you to declare the problem categorically non-existent.
All movements are comprised of a distribution of people from utter squishes to absolute maniacs, and it's flatly stupid of you to pretend that NOBODY is putting porn into school libraries. That there aren't ANY groomers. And so on. When we're talking about people who consider "transgressive" a positive thing, yet.
Especially when examples aren't hard to find.
I think Texas is over-reacting, but they're over-reacting to a real problem. There are probably smarter ways to do this.
It's "flatly stupid of you" to ascribe to Sarc a more absolute statement than he ventured.
The point of saying "porn isn't a problem in [school] libraries" isn't to say there are literally no pornographic materials in any school libraries, but rather to say that however much there happens to be, it doesn't merit an inordinately burdensome regulatory response to scrub it out. Librarians should be attentive to what's in their libraries, see what's circulating, take note of what kids might be giggling over in the back corner, and remove materials if age inappropriate.
The truth of the matter is that this isn't about "porn". Like, practically at all. READER is designed so that the state can decide what counts as "sexually explicit," and can impose that rating on a vendor, who cannot really object to how they might characterize a handful of books lest they risk being barred from doing business with the state entirely. It is designed so that the state can say that descriptions of homosexual sex are "sexually explicit" (and so banned), while descriptions of heterosexual sex are merely "sexually relevant" (and so restricted subject to parental approval). The same goes for basically anything that a handful of Texan bureaucrats determines to be "sexual" and "patently offensive." Porn is just what gets the censors in the door, here. No one thinks there's a bunch of porn in Texas schools, actually purchased with state money, and that the best way to get it out is to have vendors tell them what's "porn" and what's not.
(Of course, you knew that.)
No, he actually did venture an absolutist statement, if he didn't mean to, he can go ahead and qualify it himself.
"The truth of the matter is that this isn’t about “porn”. Like, practically at all."
No, the truth of the matter is that this is about a disagreement about what qualifies as "porn". And the state wants to put its own opinion on that topic into effect in it's book purchasing, rather than, say, yours.
"There hasn’t been a problem with porn in libraries" is not an absolute statement. Note the lack of superlatives.
Of course noting that men might fall in love with other men is porn to a lot of those into censoring libraries.
It's worth noting that not even READER is narrowly focused on "porn." Nothing in the way it defines "sexually explicit" materials requires an appeal to prurient interests. It prohibits materials that depict "sexual conduct" in a "patently offensive" way, determined in accordance with community standards. That can, and no doubt is intended to, pick up a wide range of less-explicit material - including, one might venture to say, any same-sex conduct.
Except in this past year there have been numerous high-profile cases and even lawsuits surrounding books (Genderqueer and Flamer come to mind) that are graphic novels with literal pornographic imagery that are in middle schools.
Numerous is 2, I guess.
And it's pretty silly to pretend in this age of puritan busybody manufactured bullshit that a controversy is the same as something being pornographic.
Genderqueer is quite a bit less pornographic than a medical textbook:
https://theiowastandard.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/6.jpg
Flamer isn't even that explicit.
Do we put medical textbooks in the K-5 section of a school library?
Having studied human biology in college, I frankly doubt your claim my human anatomy textbook is "pornographic". Certainly isn't anything like that in it.
Yeah, I'd say your Genderqueer is exactly the sort of thing Texas is targeting, and appropriately so.
It appears you are making up a problem, and then positing this law solves it.
[Sure looks like you support this statute you say is bad, as well.]
And Maus. Don't forget that one!
So much porn!
"All leftists are morons" is an absolutist statement that contains no superlatives. So is "there has not been a problem with X". It's merely duplicitous to the extent that you exclude arbitrary amounts of controversy by defining it as not "a problem".
And the state wants to put its own opinion on [acceptable speech] into effect in it’s book purchasing, rather than, say, yours.
You're almost there, even if you're still ignoring how READER works.
Nah, this isn't about trying to shift costs to vendors and save a few bucks. It's about efficiently ensuring the state is putting appropriate and beneficial content into the hands of kids. The way to do that is not to create some new bureaucrats, nor, apparently, to rely on school administrators or librarians, in the state legislature's view. In general I think it would be better to leave decisions to local school boards instead of the state level though.
I think the only potentially problematic requirement is asking publicshers to rerate if the state disagrees. But that could quite possibly be severed and leave the rest intact.
As Professor Volokh says, states often require vendors to provide information and to justify why their products are preferable based on the state’s own subjective opinions of its needs.
And in line with Davy C’s extreme example, under the logic of the decision the military can’t ask defense contractors to justify why their products are effective in combat, which is certainly a non-straightforward judgment call if there ever was one.
Well, if the government can say the US Constitution doesn't apply in a particular place, I would suppose it can say anything.
Guns everywhere or else we're a tyranny!
The problem with this law is that the "product" in question is pure speech. What is being sold is being sold on the basis of literary merit. This is unlike software and even textbooks, which are sold to further particular state objectives, and not solely as expression. In those cases, the seller has already indicated an intent to speak in service of particular state objectives.
When the state demands that publishers rank its books based on sexual content, and then publishes those rankings, it is essentially demanding that the publishers stigmatize their own expressive speech. It seems to me that should be an impermissible speech restriction, even in the government-as-buyer context.
I agree it is an acceptable compulsion of speech for the state to ask vendors whether the products they propose to sell to the state meet its procurement standards. Such compulsion directly supports a "substantial government interest", the test applicable to intrusions on commercial speech, even if the information demanded is not "factual and uncontroversial".
But I think the analysis changes when the requirement is extended to all books the vendor has ever sold, whether or not they propose them for sale to the state. That requirement no longer directly supports the government interest in regulating its own purchases, and in my view introduces the "factual and uncontroversial" factors from Zauderer.
I think this is one of those cases where the law is bad, but we have to be very careful in deciding the exact reason why the law is bad if we don’t want to set a precedent that has bad implications somewhere else. The decision as written interprets “factual and uncontroversial” so broadly that it doesn’t matter whether the speech is about the books in question or about all books ever sold.
I'm not understanding you, Ken. If the court used an overly broad definition of factual and uncontroversial that wouldn't undermine its decision that the information demanded was outside those boundaries.
The court broadly interpreted the set of circumstances where the "factual and uncontroversial" test is supposed to apply.
Yeah, I think there's a difference between "tell us about this book" and "tell us about every book you've ever sold". We might make Ford tell us the estimated gas mileage of cars they're selling now. We're not going to make Ford give us the estimated highway gas mileage of the Model A.
Yes, but I think the problem remains even if the demand were limited to books currently for sale.
Zauderer held that the Central Hudson test for regulation of commercial speech under the First Amendment applied to compulsion as well as restriction. If commercial speech is protected (not concerning an illegal act, and not fraudulent in nature) then an acceptable regulation must
1. be narrowly drawn
2. to directly advance
3. a substantial government interest
Zauderer applied this test to compelled disclosure of product information, where the government's interest was "preventing deception of consumers", and found that disclosures met the test if they were limited to factual and uncontroversial information. The state could demand book vendors to provide that level of information about any books they want to sell in Texas.
But if the interest is narrowed to "satisfying the state's procurement policies for the products it buys" then I think the test would be satisfied even if it involved subjective evaluations by the vendor, but it would have to be limited to supporting that narrower interest. In particular, it couldn't demand that information for any book sold in Texas to anyone, only for books sold to the state. The compulsion is constitutional so long as it is narrowly drawn to support the interest at stake.
The argument that compliance is voluntary is not supportable. The state can't use its purchasing power as a lever to coerce waivers of the vendor's First Amendment rights.
It’s interesting to think about whether any garden variety product representations or specifications, that are routinely used by private parties, might be impermissible for the state to employ in a purchase contract when they are the buyer party, if some judge decides it’s not a legitimate or substantial interest or whatever. A 10b5 type of representation, privacy representation, or the more recent #metoo representations for example? Not that states do a lot of M&A type deals. What about covenants like confidentiality, non-solicitation, non-competition, non-disparagement, publicity clause?
It would be vastly different than Zauderer, which did not involve a state buying anything, but only involved the regulation of misleading advertising (by attorneys, through the state bar association). Is there not a different standard or analysis that applies when the state puts a condition on the purchase of goods, as opposed to just straight up regulating commercial speech?
Regardless, I can’t think of a reasonable argument that sexually explicit content in books purchased for public schools would not be a legitimate interest of the state, or that requiring disclosure of it would not be narrowly drawn . . . but a lot of folks seem to actually love and cherish putting pornographic materials in the hands of schoolchildren as some sort of core value so I’m sure they will disagree.
I would think that a condition the government places on the purchase of goods in a commercial contract could be even more restrictive than conditions on funding non-profit organizations and such.
Actually, if Texas said "pornographic content", they'd probably be on way better ground regarding the vagueness standard.
That said, Texas would be on the even better ground if it enumerated stuff that makes things sexual to them, and the distinction between offensive and relevant.
They'd be on the best ground if they were charging state employees with doing these assessments before doing purchases.
But Texas legislators already knew that, and decided to go with this steaming pile of horseshit anyway. It's almost like they're more interested in performative anti-wokeness then actually doing things.
But if the interest is narrowed to “satisfying the state’s procurement policies for the products it buys” then I think the test would be satisfied even if it involved subjective evaluations by the vendor,...
What authority would you cite for this?
The Fifth Circuit analogizes the READER ratings to the disclosure of product information because that is in the nature of what the state is requiring vendors to provide, even if it might be said to be for the purpose of "satisfying the state's procurement policies for the products it buys." Zauderer is also helpful insofar as it gives us a sense of why certain kinds of compelled commercial speech pass muster under the First Amendment: the "factual and uncontroversial information" about a product that can be compelled to be disclosed are just things that are inarguably true, so the only interest that a commercial speaker can be said to have in not engaging in the speech is to prevent consumers from knowing the truth.
This is part of where I think the READER ratings go wrong. READER directs vendors who have sold books to the state to evaluate those books and determine not only whether they have sexual content, but whether that content would be "patently offensive" according to community standards of decency. In addition, not even the vendor's own opinion on whether a book meets this standard is sufficient to settle the question, for any particular book; the state may reach its own conclusion, and direct the vendor to adopt it and act accordingly (or risk being put on a noncompliance list, which would prevent it from selling any books to school districts).
If there is some kind of authority that this more qualitative, mandatory rating system is acceptable, in the context of state contracting, then I'd be curious to read it. But it doesn't seem to follow from Zauderer.
Put another way - I wonder if you'd say that Texas could theoretically impose the READER rating requirements to any books sold to the public in Texas. Is that a compelled disclosure of product information consistent with Zauderer? If it is not - and I would presume that you would agree that it is not - then I'm curious why that First Amendment protection falls away, when one proposes to do business with the state. (Since you also acknowledge that the state can't use its purchasing power as a lever to coerce waivers of the vendor's First Amendment rights - which, I might add, is precisely what Texas is trying to do, with its internal schoolbook market.)
I overlooked the fact that bookstores were among the plaintiffs. Bookstores do not keep copies of every book they have ever sold. Reading and rating every new book would be a great burden. Rating new books based on the marketing material, less so. The penalty for disagreeing with the state board of library censors is having to buy back the naughty books. Store staff may be able to do a good enough job rating new books to keep costs down.
The court intepreted the law to apply to all books ever sold to schools, not all books ever sold. I think that interpretation is inconsistent with the text of the law. It may match subjective intent of lawmakers.
My feeling is the broad retroactive rating requirement is an unconstitutional condition.
The requirement to buy back books that the state doesn't like is consistent with other sales subject to return for any reason. Amazon puts you on a list if you make too many returns. Book sellers can stop doing business if Texas makes too many returns.
Makes no sense to me. Seems like a bonkers decision from a supposedly "conservative" judge.
Why is it that books don't already have a ratings systems like movies, TV, video games, etc?
Because in the US we still have freedom and private ordering in some places rather than comprehensive regulatory schemes where the government dictates things.
And because the economies of scale and industry structure in book publishing and distribution, as well as the different media format I’d say, doesn’t lend itself to voluntary trade association-like rating systems being universally adopted, the way that it does in movies and video games.
With broadcast media you also have the government's hand in spectrum licensing, and then also in wired communication networks, rights of way etc.
That doesn't explain why books haven't fallen victim to the same nanny state, puritanical whims. Broadcast TV is the only one that makes any sense, from the perspective of government licensing.
To be clear, I'm not implying books should be subject to ratings. Just musing about the fact that, as yet, they haven't been. Books and art have quite strong 1A protections generally, so why don't movies, TV, video games, etc?
I'd assume that it's because you could always read a book by yourself, but movies at least used to be watched communally. Also, the barrier to entry on book publishing was fairly low.
There are rating systems, but no universally agreed upon system.
There are rating systems, but no universally agreed upon system.
Interesting. Do any of those cause books to be unsalable, in the same way that NC-17 ratings basically kill a movie?
The Evil Dead got killed?
Honestly, I've got no idea, I'm just aware they exist.
Because we didn't have puritans scolds going after books like we did movies, TV, video games, comic books, so they never needed to.
Until now.
Because even in the 50s, during the Red Scare, folks realized that if your kid is harmed by reading a book, then you're a shitty parent.
Maybe they can make publishers fill out a factual check list and assign points for certain yes/no answers. Then provide the checklist and the point count. Sort of like the lists of health issues we fill out when we get a vaccine. I suspect actually writing out the names of sex acts would trigger the spam meter, but this is a toned down version of a possible checklist:
Checklist
1: Does this book include verbal descriptions of the following sex acts especially the spicier ones. If yes, please add page where description appears.
some specified mild sex act yes: ___ no: ____ Pages: ________ Points= 1* #pages.
some spicier sex act yes: ___ no: ____ Pages: ________ Points= 5* #pages
(whatever entries they want)
2: Does this book include images depicting of the following sex acts:
mild sex act yes: ___ no: ____ Pages: ________ Points= 5* #pages
spicier sex act yes: ___ no: ____ Pages: ________ Points: 25* #pages
(whatever entries they want)
3: Does this book include verbal sex acts involving living humans and
inanimate objects yes: ___ no: ____ Pages: ________ Points: 1* #pages
animals: yes: ___ no: ____ Pages: ________ Points: 10* #pages
dead humans: yes: ___ no: ____ Pages: ________ Points: #pages
And so on. They can make the form more or less complicated as they prefer.
Once the form is filled out a total points tally could be tabulated. Then TX could have have categories like
0-2 points Ok for primary school libraries.
3-5 points, Ok for high school libraries.
5-∞ points: Sorry, TX isn't buying this.
How would the Bible rate?
Maybe they can make publishers fill out a factual check list and assign points for certain yes/no answers.
They could, but they won’t.
Simple put, if they actually enumerated what they care about and assigned point values, you would get one of two outcomes:
(A) If they make the criteria strict enough to catch the books they want to ban, they also end up banning a bunch of books they don’t want to ban. (B) If they make the criteria lenient enough so they don’t unintentionally ban books, then it won’t be strict enough to catch the stuff they do want to ban.
There really isn’t a third option. Why? Because a lot of the stuff they want to ban is LGBT stuff, and for most of that the only thing that makes it objectionable is that it’s LGBT. And even in Texas and Florida, they aren’t going to get away with being explicit on that.
So instead you either end up going heavy on the ban-list, and get Snow White and Sleeping Beauty because of non-consensual kissing, or you go light and let it And Tango Makes Three.
Neither outcome is acceptable to the folks that want to ban books, so instead they rely on vague language.
A Comic Book Legal Defense Fund exists. That's the most interesting thing here.
Yes Volokh, we know you support book bans.