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Dobbs Was Never In Doubt
And the leak likely did not "lock in" anything.
If I read the New York Times scoop about Dobbs correctly, there was never any internal uncertainty about what the Justices would do in the case. There were always enough votes to hear the case, and Alito's draft majority opinion picked up five votes at a record pace. A majority had signed on to Alito's draft several months before the leak.
Of course, readers will disagree on whether this is a good thing or a bad thing. To some, it will show how unwavering the majority was in their commitment to the right path. To others, it will show how zealous they were in their blind commitment to such a mistaken ruling. But however you come out on that, I think the timing should probably alter some of the assumptions sometimes made in discussions about Dobbs and the Dobbs leak.
Here's my thinking. The article presents the story from the perspective of those who tried to prevent the Dobbs majority. Since-retired Justice Breyer seems like a likely source, given the discussion of what was in his head at various times. And that creates a dramatic narrative of (Breyer's) uncertainty that matches what I think most people had expected was happening internally. On that expected narrative, the leak happened while the Justices were negotiating over the opinion, before five had signed on.
But apparently that wasn't the case. There was a majority around mid-February, without anyone requesting a single word of changes. The leak happened months later, on May 8.
Here's the most remarkable passage:
On Feb. 10 last year, Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr.['s] . . . clerk circulated a 98-page draft opinion in Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization. After a justice shares an opinion inside the court, other members scrutinize it. Those in the majority can request revisions, sometimes as the price of their votes, sweating sentences or even words.
But this time, despite the document's length, Justice Neil M. Gorsuch wrote back just 10 minutes later to say that he would sign on to the opinion and had no changes, according to two people who reviewed the messages. The next morning, Justice Clarence Thomas added his name, then Justice Amy Coney Barrett, and days later, Justice Brett M. Kavanaugh. None requested a single alteration.
Given that timing, the theory that the leak was designed to "lock in" the majority, or that it had that effect, seems implausible to me. The five in the majority had all joined almost immediately, months earlier, with not a single suggestion of changing a single word in the 98-page draft.
True, it's possible that a Justice might join an opinion one day and then "unjoin" it later before it is published. But that's rare. And this was understood as likely the most important case of the Justices' careers, with an opinion they had rushed to sign on to. And months had already passed. By the time of the leak, Alito's opinion would have been seen as basically done.
My experience as a clerk is from 20 years ago, with mostly different Justices. But in that bygone era, at least, a Justice hoping to prevent a five-vote majority would go to the likely 5th vote Justice and ask them to hold off until concurrences and dissents are circulated. The idea was that, as long as the circulating draft didn't have a majority yet, there was a chance that it wouldn't get one. A different opinion, circulated later, might persuade them. That potential 5th vote would signal openness to coming out differently by waiting for other opinions first.
What's striking about the inside story here, it seems to me, is that this didn't happen. No one waited. The Alito draft got to five at a pace faster than a 9-0 ERISA opinion.
I assume this partially explains why, after the leak, the majority did not change the draft very much. I've seen a lot of speculation that they did that because of public pressure. They couldn't change it because they would look bad, the argument runs. They would be seen as weak, so they had to join even thought they probably didn't want to. But in light of what we know now, the more likely explanation is that the leaked Dobbs draft already had five votes "as is," and it had those votes for months.
As I said up top, different people will see this as good or bad. But it seems like the most important lesson from the Times story.
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Which leaves the most likely reason it would be leaked is for political advantage. And there has been some political advantage accruing to the Democrats over Dobbs, and millions in donations, but I repeat myself. So it was if someone did leak it for political effect, then mission accomplished.
It does show the Alito leaked it because he was worried about his majority theory was baseless.
I agree it was likely leaked for political reasons. But I wonder if this is a case where the leaker misread the mood of the country. Is it possible that instead of benefitting the Republicans as expected, the leak backfired and ended up benefitting the Democrats?
Could it have been leaked to warn women in states where abortion was about to suddenly become illegal, on the theory that it might affect their decision whether to engage in sexually risky behavior in the month or 2 before the decision was filed? The idea that it would be leaked for political reasons seems unlikely to me, since no important election was imminent.
It was leaked in May and the decision published in June.
What election between May and June do you suppose the leaker was trying to influence?
This is contrary to the "finding" of the Times:
"The most glaring irregularity was the leak to Politico of Justice Alito’s draft. The identity and motive of the person who disclosed it remains unknown, but the effect of the breach is clear: It helped lock in the result, The Times found, undercutting Chief Justice Roberts and Justice Breyer’s quest to find a middle ground."
Seems like an odd way to do journalism. But if the theory that Bryer was a source is correct, maybe they inferred that from something he told them.
I assumed that was Justice Breyer's spin. Breyer, always the optimist, presumably had confidence in his ability to persuade one of the five to join him. And since no one was persuaded, despite his very persuasive arguments, the leak to Breyer may seem the best explanation.
Leak to Breyer?
Edit doesn't work?
Yeah, I edited it to clarify that I meant as perceived by Breyer, not as received by Breyer. But it didn't go through.
No comments about recent prominent issues concerning the conduct of Justice Thomas, Justice Alito, Justice Gorsuch, Virginia Thomas, Leonard Leo, etc. (or John Eastman, of Jeffrey Clark, or Donald Trump) . . . but you come back to this bigotry-ridden, polemical blog to sling that toward former Justice Breyer?
What happened to you?
(I still think you are better than this, and that your ideas deserve better than this forum, but your continuing association with this blog diminishes that perception.)
It has always been certain that no justices in the majority were going to change their minds once the opinion leaked. The NYT piece makes it clear that Kavanaugh was the only one whose vote was ever even arguably in play. To say that the leak did not lock in Kavanaugh's vote is to say that he was always 100% committed to voting with Alito. We cannot know exactly what Kavanaugh was thinking in the days immediately precceding the leak. Even if his internal commitment to supporting Alito's Dobbs opinion was 95%, the leak eliminated the 5% chance that he could be pursuaded to join a Roberts-Bryer compromise opinion and thus locked in his vote.
It is reasonable to assume that, in the days leading up to the leak, Roberts and "Breyer, always the optimist," felt that they had a decent chance of pusuading Kavanaugh to change his vote. But the corrollary assumption is also reasonable. Alito or someone else determined to see Alito's opinion issued easily could have pessimistically concluded that there was still some chance of Kavanaugh changing his vote -- and leaked the opinion to eliminate that chance.
Bottom line: we still don't know who leaked the Dobbs opinion or why they did so. But "the theory that the leak was designed to 'lock in' the majority" remains viable.
"We cannot know exactly what Kavanaugh was thinking in the days immediately precceding the leak. Even if his internal commitment to supporting Alito’s Dobbs opinion was 95%, the leak eliminated the 5% chance that he could be pursuaded to join a Roberts-Bryer compromise opinion and thus locked in his vote."
If your commitment to joining an opinion is 95%, you wait until the end, and then you extract a bunch of concessions so that the opinion is 100% what you want before you agree to join it. The swing vote can do that. But Kavanaugh didn't do that. He joined in February without asking Alito to change a word. It seems to me we are way beyond the "who knows what he was thinking" stage.
Your piece touches on two interrealted but separate questions.
The first question is "What was Kavanaugh thinking?" You may be right that Kavanaugh was fully, 100% committed to overruling Roe from the momement he first read a draft of Alito's opinion. Indeed, he may have had an unshakable committment to that result from the moment he voted to grant cert.
But the second question is, "What did others think Kavanaugh was thinking?" If Roberts and Breyer thought there was a chance of Kavanaugh changing his vote, members of "Team Alito" could have thought the same thing. Whether Team Alito's doubts about Kavanaugh's steadfastness are deemed "reasonable but erroneous" or "simply paranoid," we cannot eliminate he possibility that such doubts existed. We thus also cannot eliminate the possibility that the leaker was seeking to lock in Kavanaugh's vote.
And there were more abortions after Dobbs than before…way to use your over 160 IQs!
you need to show your work on that.
Other reporting also says it’s likely Gorsuch, Thomas, Barrett and Kavanaugh signed on so quickly was that they’d circulated the draft quietly amongst themselves in advance,
The decision would have had the same political effect, leaking just started it a bit early, but the leak did lock in the decision against any further effort to moderate. Means, motive, and opportunity point to Alito or a minion.
Five Justices signed onto 98-page extremist, right-wing opinion without barely having read it.
No left-wing "extremist" decision in the Court's history, and certainly no 98-page screed, ever got such a knee-jerk "ok" from the other liberal Justices. There were always suggestions, objections, revisions.
In the interest of full disclosure, a member of captcrisis's immediate family is employed by the abortion industry. Probably explains his level of seething.
Fuller disclosure:
Dobbs won't last half as long as Roe did.
You, the Volokh Conspirators (every one of them, it currently appears), and other conservatives will continue to have progress shoved down their whining, disaffected throats by better Americans (the culture war's winners).
If the culture war's right-wing casualties are trying to arrange some magnanimity and leniency from the liberal-libertarian mainstream down the road apiece they are failing.
Dobbs is going to be Rahimi’d within a year or two. Or perhaps sooner with the EMTALA cases. I think the Kate Cox situation in Texas has guaranteed that.
When the federal government begins to perform abortions at all Veterans Administration hospitals, should those sections of the facilities be named after prominent people in the abortions rights debates -- the Alito Center, the Gorsuch Clinic, the Kavanaugh Center, the Barrett Clinic, the Thomas Center, the Roberts Clinic, the Abbott Center, the Mitchell Clinic, the Kacsmaryk Center, etc.?
I do not claim the inspiration in this context.
How about "the Satanic Kacsmaryk's Mom's Partial-Birth Abortion Center"?
Count me in for twenty bucks toward the sign.
Why didn't Kate Cox's doctor agree that her life was in danger if she didn't have an abortion? That was the only exception under the law as I understand it. Her lawyers have been publicly pretending her life was in danger, but apparently they couldn't find a doctor who agreed. I guess that means it wasn't.
I realize this case was trying to recreate the magic of the original Roe case also in Texas, this time obtaining that result in the state judicial system.
I'm not sure how here situation will guarantee what you suggest. This was a public relations stunt using her tragic situation as the platform. It's obscene because it's trying to reestablish a right to unrestricted abortion in a case where it probably is justified. But I suspect the law is written as it is to try and prevent opportunists from gaming the system with a "life or health of the mother" exception is no limit at all.
You didn’t understand the case at all and are a really bad person.
Why don't you explain it to me. Because the mainstream reporting has been so awful (in the tank for abortion, how are those rubes not allow her) that I've had a difficult time understanding the actual legal issues and facts.
From my comments, you discern that I'm a bad person? Really? I think that makes you the bad person here. Because I'm actually sympathetic and wish that she could have had her abortion exception. And like I said, maybe she would have, if the opportunists weren't trying to make the Roe 2.0 in Texas. Which is why I assume Texas both wrote their law as they did and are being inflexible about its enforcement in early days.
So what exactly did her doctor decide about her health?
For a blog that claims to be academic and libertarian, this white, male, right-wing blog attracts a remarkable concentration of authoritarian, belligerently ignorant right-wing assholes.
This appears to be precisely what the Volokh Conspirators want.
What's authoritarian about what you've quoted?
People like you keep saying other people are awful, but it's actually you who is the terrible one.
But you agree with me! (you can’t say I’m wrong)
You're wrong.
Sure I can: you're wrong.
Employed by the abortion industry
That also explains planned parenthood’s deep desire to protect their major revenue source
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Um, that's not what the article says. What it says is that they had already read it.
Without suggesting any changes. I’d say that’s a bit odd, wouldn’t you?
We don't know what happened among them before circulation to the entire court.
It's only a bit odd if you didn't read the entire article, which eventually coughs up this rather obvious explanation the editors curiously chose to omit from the red-meat opening that triggered you:
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No; your timeline is wrong. Per the article, he circulated it informally to those justices. (And the article notes that this is not something special about Dobbs, but happens from time to time.) They may have made suggestions for changes at that time. Then he formally circulated it to the whole court, and those justices signed on without making any further suggestions.
No, because the underlying issue was simple: there never was a constitutional right to abortion, because of privacy or anything else. Even honest supporters of such a right had acknowledged for years that Roe and Casey were a terrible example of jurisprudence.
The 98 pages was explaining that to the body politic that had been fundamentally misled about the nature of constitutional rights.
No, Maddog. There's some scattered quotes that Roe is not doctrinally ideal. That is not the same as saying there is no constitutional right to abortion.
It's a bad-faith reading of Ginsberg.
Dobbs doesn't bother to engage with past precedent, it just calls it wrong and moves on with it's shiny new originalist course. That makes it actually a very weak opinion. But the right isn't into honest criticism of it's own opinions, hence their weaponizing liberals doing that.
Because it was wrong.
Just like Obergefell was wrong. There was plenty of lower court precedents that said gay marriage wasn't a thing. But because those cases didn't get past the lower courts court back in the day (because everyone back then understood that these lawsuit were ridiculous), there was no binding higher court precedent until the activists started trying again with a now sympathetically stocked judiciary.
Alito's decision explains why Roe was wrongly decided. But if you believe you federal judges are empowered to discovered new rights, then of course you're going to think that's a bad faith reading and a disregard of precedent. Yeah, the Warren court should never have overturned Plessy.
Lower court precedents aren’t what we are talking about.
You stamping your foot and calling something wrong will work if you have the votes. Won’t stand well the moment you don’t.
Something is not objectively right or wrong because a supreme court decided it. Plessy is but one example of that. You're only arguing binding precedent because you like the result of Roe and want to believe that abortion was somehow the original public meaning of the 14th amendment, just like gay marriage became legal in 1868 but it only took over a century to realize it. New federal civil rights under the Constitution are not supposed to be created like judges finding them under the common law.
Except Clarence Thomas, who can't read anywhere close to 98 pages without taking a porn-break
Capt - that extremist decision is solidly supported by the constitution
It returned the political issue back to the states where it belonged
How's that going?
Why do you hate laboratories of democracy?
The issues that have been going on don't exactly have the mandate of the people, do they?
The 'oh this just gives it to the states' story has fallen apart. It's GOP pushing for no abortion nationwide by hook or by crook.
Meanwhile, Democrats are pushing for abortion, nationwide, on demand, up to 40 weeks, and perhaps later!
Man, this is easy.
Yeah but Dems never tried to sell the hill of food that Dobbs would be cool and federalist.
About how I would have expected.
In most states, the people have decided that they would like to have the ability to secure an abortion if they need one. In some states, they've decided not.
This gives people the ability to vote with their feet and returns abortion to the realm of ordinary politics where it belongs.
Hows about the people from Ohio?
What about the revivification of Comstock Laws, does that have popular support?
What about the unpopular you can't travel out of state laws we're seeing legislatures trying for?
What about that federal abortion ban legislation?
I didn't think like many actually thought the GOP meant it when they said this abortion would be nice and federalist now.
Except apparently a bunch of actual conservatives got conned and now are closing their eyes to the facts in order to stay fooled.
I think what's happening in Ohio reflected that fact that nobody seems to like or trust the General Assembly. Things aren't over here, though, and people will definitely be pursuing alternatives to Issue 1.
I'm waiting for state laws against RETURN -- perhaps having to post a bond against future medical expenses.
“In some states, they’ve decided not.“
Those states don’t have easy ballot initiatives.
A state attorney general fought and threatened a woman and her doctors when they recommended a pregnancy be terminated due to a severe genetic anomaly and lack of chance at viability combined with the risk continuing presented to her life and health. The state Supreme Court okayed this. She had to flee the state to seek care. No clue if anyone is going to be subject to civil liability over this.
That’s not “ordinary politics.” That’s a highly intrusive and psychotic politics.
As I said above, where exactly did a doctor assert her life was at risk? According to what I've read of the TX supreme court decision, it says he never did that. As I understand the TX law, viability is not a factor to be considered. Which makes me suspicious of your representations. But you've already called me a bad person, so I won't lose sleep over it.
Are you suggesting the doctor was going to make the necessary medical assertions to satisfy the law's exception, but the Texas attorney general threatened to challenge that assertion with a lawsuit/prosecution? You seem to be breezily asserting presumptions here.
Not sure how anyone could face civil liability because the law was followed.
Why is that relevant to deciding a constitutional issue based on the Constitution? Answer: it's not.
1. That's not the argument in this thread.
2. An actual Constitutional take would build on past precedent - that is how the founders intended courts to work. Even if that means explaining why the precedent is incorrect.
There was plenty of ammo to overrule Roe based on recent precedent restricting the right. But the Court decided to go for the gusto, and put out an opinion that's chaotic guidance and a shaky foundation for future precedent to build on.
Maybe it'll work out in the end, but pretending Dobbs is a return to the Real Constitution is not an argument, it's just cargo cult conservativism.
No one is pretending it's a return to a Real Constitution. That's just you putting a partisan gloss on a result you don't like.
Like I said, Roe was not justified. The entire right to privacy is a judicial construct, the penumbras of which disappear under the light of attention.
Talking about things actually in the Constitution, some people try and disappear the Second Amendment by claiming the state can decide to abolish its militia by well-regulating it out of existence, thereby eliminating the individual right to keep and bear arms. Black is white, night is day.
This is you. Saying Dobbs is a return to the Real Constitution.
Brown v Board of Education was a return to the Real Constitution, overturning Plessy. So was Dobbs, overturning Roe.
Whoever the leaker was I think they failed to appreciate that the leak itself, not the content of the leak, would up being the story the press and punditry were focused on in the immediate aftermath. Nor did they appreciate that the real world effects of the actual ruling would shape public response and pressure on institutions. This lack of foresight applies to early warning and lock-in motivations.
My take (for whatever it's worth, which is nothing) on the leak is it was done not to change the decision but to get the pro-choicers prepared to fight for abortion rights, now that they were finally going to have to.
That includes, getting them ready to mount a bigger backlash and make the justices pay a higher price for the decision
My goodness -- at first read this comes across as just a touch insurrectiony.
But on further reflection, I'm sure you just meant that the Court's printing vendor got a chance to jack up its rates.
What reason is there to believe that the contents of a NYT article is on even nodding terms with reality ?
None whatsoever. The NYT (a former newspaper) still hasn't returned Walter Duranty's Pulitzer for his fictitious reporting from Soviet Russia.
These are your disaffected, downscale fans, Volokh Conspirators. And the reason the modern mainstream of legal academia disrespects you.
LOL, Meat.
Your betters are watching.
And, taking notes.
Carry on, Lesser.
LOL
I'm watching the lead Conspirator pack his bags, off a mainstream faculty for a position as a partisan talking head in a wingnut encampment.
Are you enjoying the view in modern American as the culture war continues to stomp conservatives into irrelevance, Scooter?
Except for the fact that Kerr's audience is to the knowledgeable court watcher, I suspect Frank Bruni would like this line for his Love of Sentences feature in NYT: "The Alito draft got to five at a pace faster than a 9-0 ERISA opinion."
Let me see if I have this right. The CIA/DOJ/FBI/NSA can identify and locate terrorists around the globe in less than 15 minutes, and drone their sorry ass. The CIA/DOJ/FBI/NSA can hack into the most sophisticated computer networks on the planet, and screw with it. The CIA/DOJ/FBI/NSA has eyes everywhere on the planet, tracking various items of interest (conflicts, economies, etc).
Yet, the CIA/DOJ/FBI/NSA cannot identify the Dobbsleaker.
That is so incredibly....unbelievable.
Can't find what you're not looking for.
I’m not aware that anyone has suggested that the CIA/DOJ/FBI/NSA has made any effort to identify the leaker.
And the court's effort was, to say the least, hardly Holmesian.*
(*Sherlock, of course, not Oliver)
Or John.
Unless you have done a lot of upfront work - unique watermarking, rigid document control, and so on, I think it's pretty hard to catch a careful one time leaker. Newspapers even publish guides on how to get away with it.
If the court really hates leaks as much they say, it seems they would have done some of that, no?
It's hardly unknown.
I wouldn't really expect so, but you'd have to ask people who have worked there about the practicality of much of it; the closest I've come to the inner workings of the court is to walk past the building :-).
But generally speaking, security isn't free, and I'm not (primarily) speaking about monetary costs. To take one example, you could try digital watermarking - perhaps you have multiple versions of each document with slightly different wording. In a lot of environments that would be fairly practical; there are lots of ways to change wording slightly without changing the meaning. But at the SC, a decision, with very precise wording, is precisely the work product. Suppose, for example, you have Alito's version read '...the Fourth Amendment requires that...' while Kagan's version reads '...the Fourth Amendment commands that...' or whatever similar parallel phrasings. Now Kagan red pencils some changes in her copies and wants to circulate them to Alito ... you have to translate her version to his, and so on. That strikes me as pretty infeasible, especially with drafts going back and forth 9**2 ways. And you'd need rules about locking copies in safes while you visit the powder room, lest one of Alito's clerks gets a copy of Kagan's version and leaks that, etc, etc, etc. And that would only narrow things down to the granularity of one justice+clerks.
There are digital watermarking schemes that don't change the wording, but those can be defeated by printing a copy, OCRing it and leaking that, or of course just leaking a paraphrase - the NYT, after all, cares about the substance, not the exact formatting or phrasing.
It seems like a hard problem to me (but, of course, I'm open to commentary from folks who are deeper into all that).
Not if you are working with a small finite list of suspects.
But everyone you mentioned has at least a 10-year history of commenting on the issue. No surprise. What would be a surprise is them querying what Alito thought 🙂
We almost had an assassination. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett_Kavanaugh_assassination_plot .
Maybe THAT was the goal?
-dk
That -- or the belief he couldn't stand up to feminists.
So how long would it take anyone to agree to overturn Dred Scott? Kelo?
100 years from now our “Bettors”(HT Rev Sandusky) will think we were as backward as we think they were in the 19th century. To bad millions of babies were killed by the Burger “Conservative” Court. Thanks Milhouse
Frank
There's a persistent rumour that Robert's changed his vote to save the ACA. So if an extremely vote change were to happen it would be on cases such as Dobbs.
More importantly:
According to CNN, Chief Justice Roberts voted to uphold the Gestational Age Act but "did not want to completely overturn Roe v. Wade".[100] The Washington Post reported from court sources that Roberts had been working since December 2021 on his own opinion, which would uphold Roe while narrowly allowing the Mississippi law to take effect.[40] He had been trying to convince conservative justices in the then tentative majority to join his more moderate opinion, but the leak doomed that effort, according to sources familiar with communications between the justices.[101] The New York Times, in a December 2023 report, corroborated with this prior report, claiming from insider reports that Roberts and Justice Stephen Breyer had been working on a compromise decision leaving Roe in place that would appeal towards Kavanaugh, but the leak disrupted their efforts.[102]
Even if their efforts were doomed, the fact that Roberts was actively trying to change the draft decision definitely gives motive to a Conservative leaker.
If conservatives had the kind of crystal ball that you think they do, they'd be doing a lot better electorally than they really are.
So the hypothetical leaker is sitting there, with 6 justices provisionally signed onto the Conservative dream opinion, and now Roberts (one of the signatories!) and Breyer are going around trying to flip Kavanaugh.
It doesn't take a crystal ball to figure out leaking the 6-3 opinion is going lock things in place.
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Well, it doesn't take a crystal ball to make any prediction after the fact.