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Teaneck (N.J.) Bd. of Education Allegedly "Selectively Restricts Public Comments About the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict"
From the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression (Carrie Robison & Aaron Terr); if the facts are as described (and I've generally found FIRE's accounts to be trustworthy), this does seem like a clear violation of the First Amendment:
New Jersey law requires all school boards in the state to set aside a portion of their meetings for public comment. During the Teaneck Board of Education's Oct. 18 board meeting, many constituents voiced opinions about a recent letter from the district's superintendent to students' families following the events of October 7. In the letter, Superintendent Andre Spencer acknowledged the "latest incidents in the cycle of violence in the Middle East." Spencer recommended that schools "foster an open dialogue" and called for "a comprehensive understanding of the complex factors impacting our world."
Several parents and community members used the public comment period to criticize Spencer for not explicitly and forcefully condemning the attack. But when they described Hamas's actions to support that criticism, the board repeatedly shut them down. The board took particular exception to commenters' "graphic" descriptions of the attack and repeatedly told speakers to keep in mind that children were in the audience.
Yet when other commenters used their time to emphasize the plight of Palestinians and used similarly "graphic" language, the board allowed them to continue.
For example, when one speaker said it's possible to unequivocally condemn Hamas's actions without taking a side in the conflict "unless of course you're trying to appease people who actually think that the raping and murdering and pillaging of the community is appropriate," Board Vice President Victoria Fisher immediately cut him off. In contrast, the board remained silent when another commenter said, "These people talking about raping and piling bodies on top of each other, that happened in the Holocaust. And if they're having PTSD for what they're doing to the Muslim community in Palestine, that's something they need to seek mental health counseling for."
When a speaker rhetorically asked how others would feel if "Indigenous people in our country … pulled your kids out of their beds and then shot you in front of them," Fisher disapprovingly interrupted. But the board allowed someone else to freely comment that Israel's "dehumanizing and genocidal actions" and the "propaganda surrounding them have spread all the way to us, where kids are stabbed 26 times just for being Palestinian."
The board also repeatedly warned speakers discussing the Hamas attack not to repeat details or facts already "on the record." Yet several pro-Palestinian speakers repeated details mentioned by previous commenters without receiving such warnings or admonitions.
The First Amendment protects Teaneck citizens when they make public comments during a school board meeting. Any speech restrictions must, at a minimum, be viewpoint-neutral and reasonable in light of the purpose of the public comment period, which is to allow the public to "comment on any school or school district issue that a member of the public feels may be of concern to the residents of the school district." The board could, for example, limit the amount of time someone can speak or require that comments pertain to the school district. But the board's regulation of comments at the Oct. 18 meeting was not viewpoint-neutral, and the Supreme Court has called such viewpoint discrimination an "egregious" form of censorship.
Even if the board's censorship wasn't motivated by speakers' views, it was arbitrary and divorced from clear, objective, and sufficiently precise standards, as the First Amendment requires.
Setting aside the issue of selective enforcement, the Teaneck Board of Education's public comment policies reach far too much protected speech and are unreasonable in light of the purpose of public comment.
District policy authorizes the board to "[i]nterrupt and/or warn a participant when the statement, question, or inquiry is abusive" and to "[r]equest any person to leave the meeting when that person does not observe reasonable decorum." During the Oct. 18 meeting, Board President Sebastian Rodriguez emphasized that the meeting was a "forum for decency" and told speakers not to make "graphic comments." These restrictions go too far. That board members or other observers might personally consider comments inappropriate isn't a constitutional reason to suppress them.
The fact that children might be present at a board meeting is also no excuse for shutting down speech. The government cannot limit discourse among adults "to that which would be suitable for a sandbox." The Supreme Court has unequivocally rejected the idea that the government has a "free-floating power to restrict the ideas to which children may be exposed."
A school board meeting may take place in a school, but it isn't a kindergarten class. It's a time to discuss educational and administrative matters, some of which may involve sensitive or controversial topics. The board has no authority to constrain a citizen's participation in those discussions by effectively labeling them "E for everyone."
Barring speakers from restating facts already mentioned by someone else similarly borders on nonsensical. As we told the board:
Some speakers may need to refer to facts mentioned by another speaker to present their own arguments intelligibly. A speaker may wish to express agreement with and reinforce others' points by restating key facts. When multiple speakers make similar arguments and emphasize the same facts, they communicate a message that is stronger than that delivered by any one of them alone. Restricting this practice undermines the public comment period's purpose of soliciting and gauging community sentiment.
And if all that weren't enough, the board's rules are also unconstitutionally vague—that is, they leave too much room for subjective interpretation. When is a comment "abusive," "graphic," inappropriate for children, or a breach of "reasonable decorum"? The answer will vary from person to person.
The board has no policies or guidelines that flesh out the meaning of these terms. And the predictable result—as the Oct. 18 meeting showed—is arbitrary and discriminatory enforcement….
Note that I've consulted for FIRE before, but I haven't been involved with this matter.
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Not only are the facts accurate, the district records the meetings and they are available online for all to see. The video is linked in footnote 5 of the response: https://teaneckschools.eduvision.tv/default.aspx?q=X3Y5NcZVhaBc4MtKsXiR5XfJBhsJkHGrgMCnhjMlylQ%253d
That was quite some meeting. Very illuminating.
Why did anyone expect any different?
I am glad to see that Israel has resumed offensive operations against Hamas. The longer the ceasefire continued, the more difficult it would be to resume as Hamas–aided by the SWJ left in the US, UK and EU–has all but won the propaganda battle.
Sympathy, which was with Israel until Jews fought back, seems clearly on the side of protecting Hamas and it terror infrastructure. Media love to show photos of rubble and crying Palestinian women with every story. Those pictures carry the Hamas message.
Rules only apply when liberals approve.
Perhaps you missed the very next article: Penn Refuses to Let Student Group Screen Film Critical of Israel
The First Amendment definitely applies to a public body like a Bd. of Education. Not to a private party like UPenn. So your example does not prove the point.
As for UPenn, I am generally against censorship. For a private institution, that should be the general rule, unless the speech is extreme or incendiary (which is less than the Brandenburg rule which is the rule for public entities). A film which accuses Israel of, say, harvesting organs from Palestinians, a modern blood libel, should be banned. What this film particular film does, I don't know.
I can do this one better:
British City Council Caves To ‘Escalating Tensions,’ Cancels Plans To Exhibit Hanukkah Menorah
The Council has taken the difficult decision to pause the planned installation of the Chanukah Menorah outside Havering Town Hall this year. We appreciate this is a hugely sensitive issue but in light of escalating tensions from the conflict in the Middle East, installing the candelabra now will not be without risk to the Council, our partners, staff and local residents.
We would also be concerned with any possible vandalism or other action against the installation. There will still be a temporary installation and event to celebrate the beginning of Hanukkah. This will be taken down after the event and we will look at a longer-term installation next year.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/british-city-council-caves-to-escalating-tensions-cancels-plans-to-exhibit-hanukkah-menorah
Got it? A menorah, which is not an Israeli but a Jewish symbol, will create a risk against the town and its Council.
And here I thought that anti-Zionism and hatred of Jews were different things. Silly me.
'Sadly, there are some who are politicising this and making accusations of anti-Semitism. This is categorically untrue and such statements are likely to incite further unrest in our communities.'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12809975/Traditional-annual-Jewish-holiday-candles-lit-year-London-council-mark-Hanukkah-cancelled-amid-fears-divisions-Israel-Palestine-conflict-mean-inflame-tensions.html
"It's not the government that's anti-semetic! It's the crowd we're appeasing!"
compare (Mark Steyn, 2015):
Yesterday the Swedish city of Umea held a Kristallnacht commemoration without any Jews - who were excluded on the grounds that it would be "unsafe" for them to attend.
Wouldn't it be easier just to hold another Kristallnacht?
Oh, give it a year or two...
The "Jews will not replace us!" crowd has certainly done a rapid 180 here.
The label seems appropriate, given what the elected MP of the area had to say...
https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-775922
"There is no connection whatsoever between events taking place in Israel and Gaza, and the celebration of a major Jewish festival in Havering in the UK. The Council should heed carefully the words of the local MP, Andrew Rosindell, and understand that what they are doing is a grave insult to Jewish communities in the borough and should reverse their decision immediately. This type of ruling is in fact antisemitic."
In a situation of military conflict, whose discussion is full of propaganda, it might have been worthwhile to impose a requirement of factual substantiation for an assertion that is made during the discussion. Factual substantiation would have to be defined with neutrality to point of view.
Are you serious?
Do you REALLY think that something that fascist would ever pass muster under a standard of "content neutrality"?
And who gets to decide which facts are true and which ones are not? Cue the Mary Poppins theme music here....
Israel claims to have body cam footage. If the body cams are provided to independent experts, who can analyze them, the footage would probably constitute valid evidence. No one has suggested that any of the body cams were provided to the US for analysis. Until the body cams are provided, the allegations of rape and sexual assault must be considered possible or even probable propaganda.
For those who choose not to believe, no evidence is suffient.
These are the same people who insist Roman Polanski didn't actually rape a minor when he fed them alcohol and narcotics before engaging in sexual intercourse.
The pro-Hamas faction is claiming that the dead babies were the work of the IDF! So video of beheaded babies will prove nothing to the hardcore antisemites.
There are not many Jews among public school students in Teaneck.
And we live in a Republic where minorities have rights.
Jewish students seem to have been leaders of the pro-Palestine anti-Israel demonstration.
Because the leftist SJW mentality has rotted their brains. Even Jews are not immune to that effect.
Ever occur to you that Christians support Israel?
Only insofar as it plays its role in the Rapture. Christians also support Trump, a sex offender, so it's not like their support means much.
"Only insofar as it plays its role in the Rapture."
This is a lie.
That is ignorant & offensive.
I love watching Leftists who supported Bill "Put some ice on that" Clinton and the pedophile hair sniffer Biden pretending to care about sexual innuendo.
Comedy Effing Gold
I don't know enough to have a definitive view BUT to see this as different from France's ban on full-face veils in public areas is misplaced. Notice, that you CAN make this religious but it can also be a security issue so that if an atheist wants to wear a full-face veil that is illegal, not as a religious matter but as a security issue.
Now that doesn't make it right but that has to be investigate, no knee-jerk rejection
A mask in public allows the person to hide his or her identity and commit mischief and violence. Something that many have done. Which is why it is banned in some places. (My impression is that the French ban is religious motivated.)
This is a public menorah lighting ceremony. The only "security" issue is that Jew haters will see it and react with violence. The ceremony itself threatens no one, any more than a Christmas tree lighting ceremony does. No one is forced to attend. It's not anti-semitism, it's appeasing anti-semites.
Exactly. It's like preventing ANY head covering in public because unknown persons may throw pig offal in response.
It seems terrible to celebrate any holidays when Zionist colonial settlers are mass murdering children.
Zionists have transformed Hanukkah into propaganda for genocidal primordialism and essentialism. Karaite Jews reject the celebration of Hanukkah, and the Rabbinic Jewish story of Hanukkah has no connection to the actual history.
Hanukkah should really be a Palestinian holiday.
To defeat the depraved and perverted Zionist colonial settlers, we must attack and neutralize every aspect of the lie-filled Zionist belief system.
Rabbinic Jews believe a ridiculous false narrative of the war that the Hasmoneans waged.
Here is a summary of the actual Canaanite/Palestinian history.
The Hasmoneans were Canaanite (i.e, Palestinian) Baal and El-Kon-Artz priests. They wanted to replace the alien Jerusalem elite that the Persians had installed. The struggle against the Seleucids was tangential. The Seleucids defeated the Hasmoneans, but after crushing and killing Judah Maccabee, the Seleucid ruler Demetrius I Soter decided he did not care who controlled Jerusalem as long as Jerusalem was subordinate to the Seleucids.
[We know that the Rabbinic Jewish Hanukkah fairy tale is complete nonsense because at the time of Hasmonean rebellion, the main center of worship of El-Yahweh was Babylonia/Mesopotamia, which was also under Seleucid rule and against which the Seleucids took no actions whatsoever.]
The actual history is complex and has few points of contact with Hanukkah nonsense. Alexander Balas made Jonathan Apphus strategos and meridarch of the Seleucid Empire. In 143 BCE, Diodotus Tryphon executed Jonathan Apphus. Simon Thassi made a deal with Demetrius II (Nicator) and became the first autonomous ethnarch of the Hasmonean dynasty. Simon reigned from 142 until 135 BCE when the Seleucid governor of Jericho assassinated him and two of his sons.
John Hyrkanus succeeded his father and ruled as ethnarch from 134 BCE until his death in 104 BCE. Antiochus VII Sidetes reasserted control over Judea from 133-128 BCE when Antiochus died. The Seleucid Empire divided into factions, and John Hyrkanus was able to extend his ethnarchy.
When John Hyrkanus died, his son Judah Aristobulus I succeeded him, murdered his mother, and proclaimed himself the first Hasmonean king. (Strabo asserts that his son Alexander Jannaeus was the first to claim the kingship.)
Because the Hasmoneans were thorough-going Hellenizers, it’s hard to take seriously any assertion that claims the Hasmonean revolt resulted from opposition to Hellenization.
The Hasmoneans made Biblical Judaism (imported from Alexandria) the religion in Judea and fabricated or reinforced the lie of a "return" from Babylon in order to cover up and conceal the alien Persian origin of the Judean and Samarian monotheistic religion. The Hellenistic influence was also written out of the story, but we can discern the editing by comparing the Septuagint (Greek Old Testament) with the Hebrew Bible. The Septuagint is the older text.
The story about Hannah/Bat Hasmonaim/Judith is a somewhat Hellenized story of a tough Palestinian woman that stands up to alien overlords, who hardly differ from vicious bloodthirsty racial supremacist Zionist colonial settlers in stolen Palestine.
"Hanukkah should really be a Palestinian holiday."
You really are well beyond the pale.
Palestinians are descendants of Greco-Roman Judeans. Rabbinic Jews are not just as Christians (except for Palestinian Christians) are not descendants of Greco-Roman Judeans. There was no Roman Expulsion. No pre-Zionist Jewish text mentions a Roman Expulsion. The population of Judea rapidly converted to Christianity. One could claim that the Roman Expulsion is a fairy tale, but some Christian writers used the concept of a Roman Expulsion for a metaphor of the transformation of Judaism from the religion of Judea into a religion that only descendants of non-Judean converts practice. For this reason, in a number of European languages, Rabbinic Jews are often called by a cognate of Hebrew because Hebrew is a Pentateuchal term that describes the Mesopotamian origin of the patriarchs.
BTW, we have no idea of the nature of the celebration of Hanukkah in Greco-Roman Judea. It probably had some connection to the building of the Jerusalem Temple during the Achaemenid Period. It is hard to envision any celebration of the Hasmoneans during the Herodian period or later.
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"Karaite Jews reject the celebration of Hanukkah"
Because it is not described in the Torah, not be cause they believe your fanciful history
to see this as different from France’s ban on full-face veils in public areas is misplaced
Not understanding the quite obvious and fundamental differences between them is ridiculously obtuse.
Several school officials in my area issued bland letters of regret after October 7. Based on the public response, you would think school leadership had flown to the Middle East and murdered people. I wish schools could simply not have a foreign policy.
Good idea.
John, if the school leaders hadn't been so aboard the Floyd/BLM affair, this wouldn't have been an issue.
My patented solution:
step 1: Abolish public schools.
step 2: Let the remaining (private) schools issue whatever statements they like on any issues, foreign and domestic.
Some will choose to send their kids to schools that praise Hamas and BLM. Others won't. Neither side will be forced to subsidize institutions that teach / promulgate (what that side considers to be) lies, hate, and evil. Everyone wins.
I think that government bodies should have the right to restrict public comment to matters pertinent to business before the bodies.
I recognize this is not what was alleged to have happened in this case. But local school boards need the ability to focus discussions on business that it is within their purview to address so they can get things done. Foreign affairs and the merits of foreign wars are not one of those subjects.
Local governments should not have to face a choice between no public comment, and endless shouting matches on every controversial subject in the public mind. This is one of those cases where First Amendment absolutism can be counterproductive. Requiring any public comment to be unfettered by pertinence and civility restrictions may end up meaning no public comment.
So long as it's content neutral. They can't allow pro-Israel or pro-Hamas statements but not the other.
As for "matters pertinent before the bodies," I think that has to be broader than the meeting agenda. Parents might have legitimate issues with how schools are run without the Board placing it on the agenda.
I think that government bodies should have the right to restrict public comment to matters pertinent to business before the bodies.
I recognize this is not what was alleged to have happened in this case. But local school boards need the ability to focus discussions on business that it is within their purview to address so they can get things done. Foreign affairs and the merits of foreign wars are not one of those subjects.
Local governments should not have to face a choice between no public comment, and endless shouting matches on every controversial subject in the public mind. This is one of those cases where First Amendment absolutism can be counterproductive. Requiring any public comment to be unfettered by pertinence and civility restrictions may end up meaning no public comment.
How is any of that relevant to the case on which you’re commenting?
That’s not an option for localities. The State has mandated that they cannot restrict comments in this way.
See Fn 2 of the letter from FIRE: N.J. STAT. § 10:4-12(a)
7. a. Except as provided by subsection b. of this section all meetings of public bodies shall be open to the public at all times... a board of education shall be required to set aside a portion of every meeting of the... board of education, the length of the portion to be determined by the... board of education, for public comment on any... school district issue that a member of the public feels may be of concern to the residents of the... school district.
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compare (source):
Because Big Tech is run mostly by morons. The fact that you can hire engineers to make the tech side work does not mean that you have any clue.
Suggestion for the school board - schedule a brief workshop on time, place, and manner authorities. That's what the board can control when it comes to public comment. It's not a terribly difficult concept to understand.
That’s not an option for localities. The State has mandated that they cannot restrict comments in this way.
See Fn 2 of the letter from FIRE: N.J. STAT. § 10:4-12(a)
7. a. Except as provided by subsection b. of this section all meetings of public bodies shall be open to the public at all times… a board of education shall be required to set aside a portion of every meeting of the… board of education, the length of the portion to be determined by the… board of education, for public comment on any… school district issue that a member of the public feels may be of concern to the residents of the… school district.