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Want Freedom to Criticize China, Palestine, Mexico, etc.? Protect Criticism of Israel
After the Oct. 7 murders, the first attempts to punish speakers focused on those who defended Hamas's murders. But, unsurprisingly, things have turned to trying to suppress criticism of Israel more broadly, including criticism of Israel's attacks on Gaza. (The slippery slope is a real phenomenon, in a culture where people reason by precedent and analogy in developing both laws and social norms.) The firing of actress Melissa Barrera from Scream 7, in response to her accusing Israel of "genocide and ethnic cleansing" and of "[distorting] the Holocaust to boost the Israeli arms industry," is just one prominent example. The production company's explanation:
We have zero tolerance for antisemitism or the incitement of hate in any form, including false references to genocide, ethnic cleansing, Holocaust distortion or anything that flagrantly crosses the line into hate speech.
Attempts to place outright advocacy of murder beyond the pale have thus morphed into punishments for what is seen as "false" characterization of a foreign government's actions. Likewise, the Ingber v. NYU lawsuit claims NYU violated federal law by tolerating not just discrimination against specific Jewish students and anti-Semitism but also speech "denying Jews the right to self-determination"; and the lawsuit argues for adopting a definition of prohibited anti-Semitism as including, among other things,
- "Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor";
- "Applying double standards by requiring of [Israel] a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation"; …
- "Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis" ….
(This is deliberately drawn from the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance definition, which has also been cited in other calls to restrict speech and academic freedom at universities, such as in this petition by University of Toronto physicians; see also my older posts discussing the Trump Administration 2020 Executive Order on Anti-Semitism and the Department of Education 2018 decision in the Rutgers case, which likewise invoke the same definition.)
These attempts to suppress criticism of Israel—through proposed campus speech codes, threat of firing, and the like—strike me as dangerous both to American freedom and to American security. I generally support Israel, and think it's quite legitimate (indeed, necessary) for it to destroy Hamas, even if that means the deaths of the people whom Hamas uses as human shields; that is the nature of war, especially war against an enemy that deliberately fights from civilian areas. (What would we do if, say, a breakaway government in northern Baja California sent attackers to kill 40,000 American civilians—the right comparison, given that the 1,200 Israeli deaths were in a country that had 1/35th of the American population—while hiding hid its military operations among civilians in Tijuana?)
But I think it's vital for Americans to be able to freely discuss the actions of foreign governments (as well as, of course, of our own) and decide whom indeed they should side with. That is true when Americans criticize the Palestinian governments (Hamas or PLO), the Communist Chinese government, the Israeli government, or any other country's government.
Now some of the criticism of Israel might indeed stem from prejudice against Israeli people or against Jews more generally. But of course that same accusation can be said with regard to criticism of China, Palestine, Mexico, etc. Humans being human, some people will be influenced by their biases and hatreds against ethnic groups in evaluating the actions of governments associated with those groups. Conversely, the bad actions of governments may often influence some people into hostility to the ethnic groups who are seen as supporting those governments. But that possibility shouldn't immunize foreign governments from criticism, by making such criticism dangerous for Americans. (For example of attempts to suppress anti-Chinese-government speech as being supposedly racist or ethnically biased, see, e.g., here and here.)
Nor can one distinguish criticism of Israel from criticism of other countries on the theory that people are selectively targeting Israel for a discriminatory double standard. First, some of the claims of discriminatory treatment, such as that "[d]enying the Jewish people their right to self-determination" uniquely targets Jews, don't hold up. The Palestinians haven't gotten their own right to self-determination, in the sense of getting an independent state (whether or not one thinks they should). Many Basques and Kurds want self-determination, but they're not getting it; likewise for many other ethnic groups. Some ethnic groups have successfully broken off from another country, generally with the help of a powerful neighbor (e.g., Abkhazia, North Cyprus, South Ossetia), but nearly all countries reject those claims of self-determination, and take the view that those regions ought not exist as separate states. There is no international norm that every ethnic group is entitled to its own state.
Second, different international disputes are different in character. China's claim to Taiwan isn't directly comparable to Ukraine's claim to Donetsk, Luhansk, and Crimea, though both view them as breakaway provinces that should be part of the nation. Israel was founded under different circumstances than, say, modern independent Ukraine. People can reasonably disagree on whether one country's actions are worse than another's, in light of all the surrounding historical circumstances.
Third, people understandably focus on particular disputes—sometimes, to be sure, because of hostility to some group, but often for other reasons. They might have a personal emotional connection to a group that they see as oppressed. They may have heard more about a dispute in the media or among their classmates. The dispute may be in a place that they see as closer, geographically or culturally. They may hold a country to a higher standard because it's our ally or lays claim to being democratic. To be sure, all this may reflect arbitrary distinctions that a moral philosopher would view as improper. (Why should we be so upset by Russia killing Ukrainians, or China oppressing Uyghurs, and not people in Congo killing other people in Congo?) But demanding that people not criticize country A unless they can explain why they don't criticize countries B through Z (many of which most people haven't even heard of) is essentially a demand that they not criticize country A, period.
Of course, besides the suspicion of bigotry, there is also the real feeling of affront that people have when countries with whom they feel a bond are being harshly—and perhaps unfairly—criticized. Many American Jews do feel an affinity for Israel, as many American Arabs and Muslims feel an affinity for Palestine, and many Chinese college students (many of whom may indeed be Chinese citizens) may feel an affinity for China.
(This might be a minority view among Chinese-Americans—see this poll, which reports that 41% of Chinese-Americans see China in a favorable light, while 35% see it unfavorably, and it may well be that even the ones who view China favorably don't view the Communist government favorably. But it seems very likely that at least some people of Chinese extraction, especially the Chinese citizens but likely also others, take personally some criticisms of the Chinese government or at least of the government's defense of what the government sees as Chinese national territory.)
But that risk of offense can't be enough to justify trying to shut down this sort of speech. Of course any debate about who is in the right as to, say, Israel vs. Palestine or China vs. Taiwan or any other such dispute, will be upsetting to supporters of either side, including ones who might feel the upset particularly deeply because of their ethnic connections. Especially sharp claims, whether of genocide, terrorism, racism, brutality, and so on are likely to be especially upsetting. And all of us can always point to ways in which much impassioned debate is hyperbolic, otherwise inexact, unfair, and so on. But, again, it's dangerous for American democracy to suppress, on pain of university discipline, firing, and so on, criticism of foreign countries because some people are upset by it.
Now to be sure the matter is more complex when it comes to employment decisions, because employers often do care about customers or coworkers being upset by people's views. That is especially clear as to, for instance, celebrity endorsers: They are hired because the public likes them, and if they say things the public dislikes, they may just become much less effective endorsers. In some measure, one can say the same thing about actors, to return to Melissa Barrera; if enough people stop wanting to go to her movies, she may fail to do what her employers are hiring her to do.
But my guess is that Scream 7 revenues were unlikely to be much affected by Barrera's criticisms of Israel—perhaps I'm mistaken, but the demographic for such movies, I expect, was unlikely to stop coming to see the movie because of her views. Among other things, horror movies tend to draw a younger audience, and young people tend to be critical of Israel themselves. Even if we should sympathize with employers who object to paying money to employees who become net liabilities rather than net assets, I doubt this is really the problem here.
And to the extent there is public pushback against employers based on the speech of their employees, I think it's time for there to be countervailing public pushback against employers when they try to restrict the speech of their employees. I'd certainly say that if American sports teams try to suppress criticism of China by their players (see here for pressure by China along these lines). I'd say the same for American companies trying to suppress criticism of Israel—even though I think that on the merits the criticism of China is merited and the criticism of Israel is not. (I set aside here the question whether the firing of Barrera may have been illegal and even criminal under California law that protects private employees' political activity; I'm not sure whether Barrera was technically an employee or an independent contractor, and whether she would be working in California or some other state with such a law.)
All this having been said, people should certainly feel free to criticize the critics of Israeli, Palestinian, Chinese, and the governments. If they have evidence the criticism is indeed prejudiced based on ethnicity, religion, race, or what have you, they should certainly set that forth. And I stress again that I think that, considering all the arguments, Israel is doing what it has to do.
My point is simply that criticism should be met with criticism, not with demands that universities or employers suppress the speech of their students or employees. That's what's necessary so Americans can freely debate how American government should deal with foreign countries—a matter on which America's future may well depend.
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With Israel and Jews...you need to be careful. Because there is a history of discrimination there, above and beyond that faced by most other groups.
Perhaps more worryingly, there's a current history of misinformation, that is especially dramatic among the younger individuals. The poll below is illustrative.
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/november-harvard-caps--harris-poll-80-of-voters-continue-to-support-israel-over-hamas-301993680.html
Free speech requires a commitment on both sides to free speech. If it's only on one side, care and education needs to be taken.
If one side supports free speech, and the other does not, but uses that freedom to win...just once...it can be the end of free speech in its entirety. We can afford for Nazis to have their free speech, because no one is going to vote for them. But if enough young people believe it's not necessary for "their" misguided cause. Some correction may be needed.
We can afford for Nazis to have their free speech, because no one is going to vote for them.
I'm a bit hazy on how the Nazis came to power in the first place. Perhaps you could remind me?
But if enough young people believe it’s not necessary for “their” misguided cause. Some correction may be needed.
Ha, "correction," indeed, in the form of society-wide sanctions and legal restrictions. But no one would ever vote for that kind of totalitarian thought control, right???
FUCKING hell the misinformation around Trump's election and warnings about characteristics of populist authoritarianism was roundly dismissed and trivialised and denied. Now that you've got your war on, it must be protected at all costs!
'Some correction may be needed.'
Nobody saw that coming.
When did Believe Woman die? When Biden was the accused.
Want to protect free speech? Make sure anti-Israel speech and anti-Palestine speech is as suppressed as possible. Make the progressive anti-free speech set HURT, and they will come to value free speech.
'When Biden was the accused.'
Bit random. Lots of people believed her. Until the evidence was examined.
'Want to protect free speech?'
Obviously, you do not.
"Lots of people believed her. UNTIL THE EVIDENCE WAS EXAMINED."
Thank you for making my point.
Thank you for making mine.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52592979
Some people never knew what it meant to begin with, clearly. Still quite random.
It's an example of the de-fanging a Progressive weapon once it's THEIR sacred cow that's being gored.
More an example of those who are deeply conservative being to mad to even try and understand things.
Here's a clue: "Lots of people believed her. Until the evidence was examined."
It’s not a weapon, it’s not ‘defanged’ and cynical efforts to ‘gore’ a ‘sacred cow’ with dodgy evidence only prove your cyncism, contempt for women, and dependency on misinformation.
'We can afford for Nazis to have their free speech, because no one is going to vote for them.'
They, on the other hand, vote for Trump.
How wise, you just saved thousands from a dead cult.
Nah. There is a difference between good and evil and people have the right to embrace good and shun evil in their personal and business lives.
Well put.
(Though, based on your previous comments, you and I do not agree on what constitutes good and evil. But, as long we are free to "shun" each other, that's OK.)
The best remedy for bad speech is more speech. I don’t have a problem with anti-Israel speech. Any limits on speech need to be narrow and difficult to enforce.
That said, institutions should be able to enforce their policies. Students who protest in violation of those policies should be punished in accordance with the policies. If they go and occupy the university offices the occupiers should suffer negative consequences. Speech is one thing; actions are another.
But what to do if one student’s anti-Israel speech makes a Jewish student feel uncomfortable? What are the DEI offices supposed to do? We’ve been told that speech is violence (and silence is violence). Well, now we see how unworkable those principles are. We all have to accept a bit of discomfort if we want to be able to live in a freer society.
Also, people should be held accountable for what they have written or said. I don’t have a problem with publishing the names of protestors or signatories of various screeds. But I also believe in allowing people to withdraw, retract, correct, or amend their statements. Forgiveness must be allowed.
re: "now we see how unworkable those principles are."
This, I think, is an important point lost in the otherwise excellent article above. Mere calls for civility and openness of speech miss the fact that this is a rare opportunity to expose the adverse consequences of DEI policies as they are generally enforced. If we don't highlight the hypocrisy now when it is so readily evident, how will we ever swing the pendulum back to center?
Your name is REALLY Darth Buckeye?!?
... says the apedad.
Tell me that any college or university would permit a "Fuck Allah" rally....
A 'Fuck Saudi Arabia' rally would make more sense as your chose parallels. But you are one for the drama.
How about showing a photo of Piss Christ next to a photo of Piss Allah?
Also, people should be held accountable for what they have written or said. I don’t have a problem with publishing the names of protestors or signatories of various screeds.
You know, we could do something like, I dunno, centralize a kind of registry tracking this information, which employers, schools, businesses, etc., could refer back to, in order to ensure that they're not rubbing elbows with people whose views they find to be abhorrent. We could perhaps "score" people according to their actions, allowing for gradations between engaging in violent protests and saying socially disfavored things online. Since the government isn't involved, and just "society" more generally, we wouldn't have to worry that this presents any kind of freedom-limiting concerns, right?
Careful there, don't accidentally rip off your pearl necklace!
Society has had social stratification for literally ever. The criteria may change over time, but there's always a hierarchy. For a while it was important to be white and male. Then being strong or skilled mattered more. These days it's critical to be either beautiful, smart, or rich. Would it be that terrible if the most important thing were your personality?
I've slowly shifted to the view that you need to take into account an organizations history, when it comes to free speech. If an organization has banned criticism of China in the past, allowing criticism of Isreal will not convince the organization to allow future criticism of China. That kind of deal/compromise only happens if an organization gets taken to task for its hypocrisy, and the supporters of Israel demand the same protections as the supporters of China.
Start from the premise of demanding equal treatment, and it's much easier to get equal treatment.
The same force that arm twists western organizations to censor on behalf of China, China, would seem to be in favor of anti-Israel to aid shit stirring in the West.
So, a company owned by Jews has to tolerate an employee publicly calling for the elimination of Israel, because free speech? Give me a break. No company has an obligation to subsidize what is effectively a call to the genocide of their ancestors’ homeland.
https://reason.com/volokh/2023/11/03/nate-silvers-free-speech-is-in-trouble/?comments=true#comment-10303111
Professor Volokh, how does consequence-free free speech (which is what you seem to be arguing for) square with my right of free association (as in, I won't associate with antisemites, or hire them, or do business with them)?
I doubt Eugene is arguing that you should associate with people you don’t like (for any reason) in your personal dealings. But in the business world, I am of the mind (I can’t speak for Eugene) that where power is comparable to that held by the government, free speech ought to win. We shouldn’t be blacklisting people because of their speech to the point where they can’t hold any jobs or get any services for the same reason we don’t allow the government to punish you: we don’t trust entities with that much power to draw the line between good and bad speech.
More than speech and companies. Allow me to agitate again for Congress to pass a law that financial companies, e.g. banks, should not be in the business of denying legal but politically or socially cancellable transactions.
People should not to have to give up the locality and anonymity of cash transactions just to take advantage of modern conveniences, as life moves more and more online.
Professor Volokh appears to becoming closer, although not exactly endorsing, a distinction I’ve advocated in past comments.
There is a constitutionally relevant distinction between hostility to a foreign government or entity and hostility to a group of American citizens. Hostility to a group of American citizens can potentially create a “hostile environment” and if sufficiently threatening and pervasive (even if short of explicit “true threats”) can be punishable. But hostility to a foreign state or entity, no matter how hostilely expressed or pervasive, cannot be. However emotionally attached the American group may feel towards the foreign state or entity involved, the law nonetheless distinguishes the two.
Professor Volokh endorses the second part of the distinction. He may hesitate to endorse the first, as he would prefer as narrow as possible a definition of “hostile environment” on First Amendment libertarian grounds. Nonetheless, he does endorse a key element of the distinction, perhaps its essence – hostility towards a foreign entity can never be considered hostile environment discrimination, no matter how hostile or threatening, while hostility towards an American group potentially can be, even if people disagree about what standard must be met for it to become so.
Thus “Death to Israel!” is protected by the First Amendment as a blanket matter. But “Death to Israelis!” or “Death to Jews!” are not, at least under some circumstances.
I understand that here Professor Volokh is not making a First Amendment legal argument concerning government action, but a pragmatic argument about social mores and the conduct of private parties.
One could not have a proper, fully-informed, meaningful democracy if one of the powers reserved to the government, war, were not fully discussable by The People, including "go murder the lot of 'em!"
Who is getting banned from campus? Who is having to hide in locked rooms?
Why don’t we start there? (Physical safety, then deal with vocal disagreements seems necessary)
And these are individual Constitutional rights.
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Was this what you had in mind?
Among others. Also thinking of Hillcrest.
And, yes, the reporting on both incidents is similarly one sided and possibly incomplete. Also the USC (UCLA?) prof barred from campus for aggressively confronting students (but no similar ban for pro-Palestine students).
People should be safe regardless of race, creed, sex, religion, age. They should be free to express and promote ideas (not, however to act on all them, until they are legal, but to advocate for them or for changes in policies without question).
On that, I agree with Prof. Volokh. I don’t agree that starting with showing respect for violence (pro- or anti- any topic) is the place to start. Start with enforcing no-harm.
Respectfully, Professor Volokh, you are 33 years too late -- that ship sailed with Operation Desert Storm and consequences for those who supported the war.
This led into sanctions for those who opposed the new governments in South Africa and Rhodesia/Zimbabwe. I personally consider the ANC every bit as racist as the folks they replaced, and Robert Mugabe was a true piece of work, killing people and elephants with random abandon.
I want those who criticize Israel held to the same standards as those who criticize the African National Congress in South Africa.
"Nor can one distinguish criticism of Israel from criticism of other countries on the theory that people are selectively targeting Israel for a discriminatory double standard. "
The hell they aren't!!!!!!!
For starters, does the Israeli government engage in the practice of "necklacing", placing a burning tire around the neck of a human being?
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
"(What would we do if, say, a breakaway government in northern Baja California sent attackers to kill 40,000 American civilians—the right comparison, given that the 1,200 Israeli deaths were in a country that had 1/35th of the American population—while hiding hid its military operations among civilians in Tijuana?)"
Um, no. Lives are not mathematical playthings to be moved about an equation until you've decided on what fraction you want to use to devalue them.
Gauntlet thrown, David.
my rules > your rules, fairly > your rules, unfairly.
Free speech is "my rules" and would be the best choice. But "Your rules, fairly" is better than "your rules, unfairly". "Your rules, fairly" here means fairly restricting criticism, while "your rules, unfairly" means restricting criticism only to favored groups so you can't criticize China or Islam, but Israel is a perfectly fine target.
Banning criticism of Israel isn't ideal. Ideally we should have free speech and not ban anything. But it's a lot better than the only practical alternative.
One problem with wrapping all criticism of Israel in the blanket of anti-Semitism is that at least some of the criticism of Israel is valid -- and suppressing that valid criticism (or even tarring it as anti-Semitic while not suppressing it) risks creating a situation where anti-Semitism comes to be viewed as a virtue.
I think this is an astute observation. It certainly tracks with how the TikTok discourse seems to be trending.
https://images.dailykos.com/images/574802/story_image/1350.png?1533664371
Way to double-down.
The ADL is getting into this game pretty hardcore. It's made a lot of enemies along the way, such as the ACLU and the SPLC. Even ADL insiders are starting to revolt.
Attempting to entirely forbid criticism of Israel -- and support of Palestine -- will backfire.
But 'The Jews are behind the Great Replacement' conspiracy theories are fine.
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I don't know what this means.
I mean, I know what the metaphor means (though it's not really used correctly in general), but I don't understand what it refers to here.
It refers to your drawing of this analogy: People use criticism of Israel as cover for antisemitism the same way that people use MAGA as cover for white supremacy.
Did you not intend to suggest that analogy? Then why the random daily ko?
The famous cartoon in the link mocks the MAGA argument, "You unfairly called me a Nazi, so I have no choice but to become a Nazi." The analogy was to the above argument by Rhymes, endorsed by SimonP, "You unfairly called me an antisemite, so I have no choice but to become one."
I would think that impossible to miss.
Yes. And that's a doubling-down on the idea that critics of Israel are motivated by antisemitism. I would think that impossible to miss.
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The ones who are concluding from this supposedly unfair criticism that antisemitism is a virtue are. I would think that would be impossible to miss.
Want Freedom to Criticize China, Palestine, Mexico, etc.? Protect Criticism of Israel
While I certainly agree with Prof. Volokh that people should be free to criticize Israel, I am unsure exactly whom he is asking to "protect" these criticisms or what that even means. If he means vigorously defend these little Robespierres who have been gleefully running their cancel culture Reign of Terror for a decade, celebrating the destruction of the lives of all who would blaspheme against the Church of Woke, then I don't think I will. They would certainly never reciprocate. Let them have their turn in the barrel. They might learn a lesson, but I seriously doubt it.
I have a long-time online acquaintance who likes to argue that you can't reason with Nazis; you just have to punch them. (He's just playing online tough guy when he says this, but he means it in the abstract.) And my response is: they tried that with actual Nazis. It did not work out. The communists routinely physically brawled with the Nazis in the streets of Weimar. But that didn't destroy the Nazis; it destroyed Weimar.
The enemy of illiberalism is liberalism, not counter-illiberalism.
Note: this doesn't apply to truly evil people, like NY Yankees fans. You just have to punch them.
Communists, socialists and unions brawled with Nazis because Nazis went around breaking up meetings and strikes and attacking members. Nazis were a violent presence on the streets. They weren’t doing it to stop the rise of Nazism so much as out of self-defence. Whether that means you should punch Nazis now, I leave as an exercise for the individual.
But what to do if one student’s anti-Israel speech makes a Jewish student feel uncomfortable? What are the DEI offices supposed to do?
Nothing - provided the DEI office also does nothing when someone from an "approved" minority feels similarly uncomfortable in analogous circumstances.
There is no right not to be offended.
FWIW I think that the idea that the solution to false speech is true speech is based on a model of human intellect and cognition that is simply incorrect but permitting free speech may nonetheless be less adverse than permitting censorship
Thanks Eugene! This was much needed.
Unfortunately, the theory of protecting the right to criticize xyz will also protect the right to criticize abc is faulty and never occurs in the real world. One only needs to look at higher education. If you "misgender" someone or opine that there are only 2 genders, you will be forced out of school, disciplined, or made a persona non gratis, because "words are violence." But the same people will allow actual violence and/or violent language based on political ideology, and will not be called out on it or held to free speech standards. Not a single university administrator has been held to task regarding this hypocrisy, and will only encourage them to apply dual standards without fear. Even Professor Volokh will yield to his administration and fellow professors because he will not bit the hand that feeds him.
It’s ancient. It’s the “I need emergency power!” argument, to quell uprisings in the most common case, not coincidentally of opponents, and the nascent dictator never gives them up.