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No Preliminary Injunction Against Idaho Law Mandating Public School Students Use Bathrooms "That Correspond[] with Their Biological Sex"
The court had earlier issued a temporary restraining order against the law, to maintain the status quo; but now that it has gotten more full briefing, it declined to block the law (but also declined to dismiss the challenge to the law).
From Chief Judge David Nye's decision yesterday in Roe v. Critchfield (D. Idaho):
On March 22, 2023, the Idaho Legislature adopted Idaho Senate Bill 1100 …. On July 1, 2023, S.B. 1100 went into effect. S.B. 1100 requires, among other things, that students in Idaho public schools use the bathroom or locker room that corresponds with their biological sex. Similar regulations apply to overnight accommodations….
This is a difficult case. The Court previously prevented S.B. 1100 from taking effect [via a temporary restraining order] based upon the concept that maintaining the status quo—of no formal regulation—would allow the parties more time to fully address the difficult issues involved in this case. And while its decision today is still not a full adjudication on the merits, the Court finds that Plaintiffs have not shown they are likely to succeed on the merits of their claims.
The Court is not implying Plaintiffs' arguments are meritless—after all, some courts have upheld similar arguments to those Plaintiffs offer now. On the other hand, other courts have upheld the arguments Defendants proffer. Indeed, this area of law (and societal policy) is evolving.
The Court, however, must stay in its lane. It cannot provide guidance on how elected officials should navigate these difficult situations. It can only decide whether the action they have taken withstands constitutional scrutiny. As the Sixth Circuit aptly noted just a few weeks ago with respect to regulations about medical care for transgender minors: "[L]ife-tenured judges construing a difficult-to-amend Constitution should be humble and careful about announcing new substantive due process or equal protection rights that limit accountable elected officials from sorting out these medical, social, and policy challenges."
Ultimately, the Court is not convinced Plaintiffs can prevail on their equal protection claims because: 1) S.B. 1100 is based upon sex, not gender identity, and 2) privacy and safety are important government interests and separating these types of facilities on the basis of sex is "substantially related to the achievement of those objectives." The state of Idaho has an interest in protecting the privacy and safety of its youth while at school. It has written a law to achieve that goal, while also mandating a reasonable accommodation for any student who feels he or she cannot follow the law. That not all people agree with the law is the reality of living in a pluralistic society where everyone cannot have everything they want according to how they see the world.
{And the Court would reach this conclusion even if it were to assume, as Plaintiffs argue, that S.B. 1100 discriminates based on transgender status. That is, frankly, the whole point of this exercise. Under intermediate scrutiny, the government must show that it has a persuasive justification for the classification it has drawn. It has done so here regardless of which classification the Court uses—sex or transgender status. Thus, while there may be disagreement on the complicated, esoteric, and ever-evolving landscape of discrimination based on gender identity and whether that is the same as discrimination based on sex, it matters not because privacy is a legitimate interest either way.}
Plaintiffs likewise cannot show they are likely to prevail on the merits of their Title IX claim because Title IX specifically allows for sex-separate facilities. S.B. 1100, therefore, does not violate Title IX, it adheres to it.
And finally, Plaintiffs have not shown they are likely to prevail on the merits of their privacy claim because they have not demonstrated they have a protectable liberty interest in the nondisclosure of their gender identity.
Thus, while the Court finds the remaining Winter factors roughly even, it finds Plaintiffs have not prevailed on the critical first prong required to obtain a preliminary injunction today.
That said, Defendants have not shown Plaintiffs' claims are entitled to full dismissal. While they move to dismiss all claims, Defendants do so in a perfunctory manner, with little explanation. The idea seems to be that Plaintiffs' claims are based on speculative science and cannot withstand muster. As noted, however, the Court will not be delving into the science behind the parties' positions today. But the fact that other courts have found merit in similar claims against the backdrop of regulations similar to S.B. 1100 weighs against finding that Plaintiffs' claims are wholly implausible. The Court will not dismiss Plaintiffs' claims at this time….
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The counter argument from Dorf, Lederman and Litman:
The same analysis likely applies to intermediate scrutiny.
I'm not sure that there's any evidence that all students who self-identify as a different gender are harmed when required to use the restroom that corresponds to their sex. There may or may not be harm to a subset of those students, but that's far from uncontroverted.
And there's no evidence cited in the opinion that Rebecca Roe was harmed.
There's also a much larger set of biologically female bathroom users who have a similar speculative-but-plausible theory of psychological harm if transgender women use the same restroom as them.
Yup. Just because someone sees himself as a woman doesn't mean that other people see him as a woman.
From Dorf, et al:
Roe makes a similar claim which this judge dismissed because of conflicting expert testimony. Once again, the resolution comes down to whether gender identity is real. At some point hopefully, it will be so recognized.
As to possible harm to other girls, Dorf, et al:
Josh R 17 mins ago (edited) Once again, the resolution comes down to whether gender identity is real. At some point hopefully, it will be so recognized."
Why would you want to embrace and encourage the persons mental illness instead of providing care that will assist the persons ability to return to a normal life
... he said as he assumed gender identity is not real.
He also assume that fairy tales are true.
You can't reason with superstition, bigotry, or belligerent ignorance.
Are you really taking the position that having X and Y chromosomes and a penis, but declaring yourself a woman is anything short of a fairy tale?
If so, it's just the latest proof point that your chosen religion is even hokier than any of the ones you routinely mock.
What is hokier than believing fairy tales -- superstition, nonsense -- to be true?
Among adults, I mean. As always, anyone 12 or younger is excepted, especially if afflicted by childhood indoctrination.
Arthur, it was a specific question. Genetically, there is not a debate: XX is female, XY is male. Anatomically and biologically, there are differences between the two, and that is the foundation of your identity. That is the objective truth for at least 99.999+% of humans on this planet.
They are human beings, and they need help. I think we both agree there. It is not a problem of biology here; it is a psychological problem. Psychological help is needed, not pharmacologic and surgical help. I don't think you and I agree there.
Where are the parents in all of this?
This is ridiculous. Gender dysphoria is a particular condition indentified, defined and codified and with prescribed treaments. Transphobes turning into quacks who know better doesn't change that.
This is a rousing meeting of Libertarians For Statist Bathroom Stall Policing, convened at a leading faux libertarian forum and sponsored by the Federalist Society’s Christian Love for All (Whether They Like It Or Not) Practice Group.
You too are begging the question of what ‘male” and “female” are.
At one time, it was based on phenotype (before the discovery of genes). Then, it could be based on genotype (which sometimes doesn’t agree with phenotype). And now, we have a new concept which somebody in an earlier thread called “cerebrotype”: what the mind tells us.
The clinical experience of people with gender dysphoria, hundreds of thousands of Americans for whom the most effective treatment is gender-affirming care, suggests your claim there is a psychological problem could be wrong. Instead perhaps, gender identity is a real trait and “cerebrotype” is another valid way to classify “male” and “female.”
Does your appetite for psychological help for people who believe silly shit include prescriptions for superstitious rubes and bigoted clingers?
Or, as is usual among clingers, do bigoted and gullible people who claim fairy tales are true stories and commandments get a pass?
I don't think anyone is debating that these people's minds are telling them what they believe: that's bordering on circular. But people's minds telling them things that aren't true have been around as long as humans have been around. The new concept is treating it as some equally valid measure of reality rather than denial of same.
I'm old enough to remember the well-worn saying "you're entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts." We now seem to be at risk of losing that measure of objective clarity.
You are stuck on begging the question that it is a fact that "male" and "female" refer only to phenotype or genotype.
Commenter xy - "They are human beings, and they need help. I think we both agree there. It is not a problem of biology here; it is a psychological problem. Psychological help is needed, not pharmacologic and surgical help. "
Nige 5 hours ago
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"This is ridiculous. Gender dysphoria is a particular condition indentified, defined and codified and with prescribed treaments. Transphobes turning into quacks who know better doesn’t change that."
Nige - commentator xy is correct - Gender dysphoria is a psychological problem and psychological help is needed. Not a biological treatment the permanently prevents any possibility to resume a normal life.
I'm not begging any question at all: that's the objective measure of what "male" and "female" have meant for thousands of years. The situation now is that a relative handful of too-smart whiz kids in the past 2-3 decades of our existence have developed a system of belief that should -- but apparently doesn't -- make Artie blush: that "male" and "female" is a subjective reality that everyone determines for themselves.
'Gender dysphoria is a psychological problem and psychological help is needed.'
This is one of a handful of areas where the right pretend to be serious about mental health issues, when they're not mocking trans people for their suicide rates. But, it's also amateur quackery.
That sounds like an appeal to tradition (a form of question begging) which ignores new evidence.
'that “male” and “female” is a subjective reality that everyone determines for themselves.'
I get that for some reason the existence of trans people seems to threaten to undermine your entire understanding of the universe, but denying they exist won't solve it.
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that’s the objective measure of what “male” and “female” have meant for thousands of years.
That sounds like an appeal to tradition (a form of question begging) which ignores new evidence.
Josh R - presume you are meant " Ignoring new evidence that has strong indications that the current in vogue diagnosis and vogue treatment is based on flawed beliefs in medical science and flawed understanding of mental illness.
Nige 3 hours ago
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‘that “male” and “female” is a subjective reality that everyone determines for themselves.’
I get that for some reason the existence of trans people seems to threaten to undermine your entire understanding of the universe, but denying they exist won’t solve it.
Nige - No one is denying that trans people exist - We are only pointing out that the treatment you advocate causes significant long term harm and permanently prevents any possibility for those afflicted to ever return a normal life.
I think both “tradition” and “evidence” are not quite right, unless those words have now been redefined as well.
What you’re calling “tradition” is not an arbitrary choice at all, but simply the underlying biological reality. That part hasn’t changed, and I don’t understand anyone to be seriously claiming it has.
And the new development is not “evidence” at all, but simply a proposition that subjective opinion/belief should be allowed to override that biological reality.
'No one is denying that trans people exist'
You're just claiming unearned expertise in their treatment and demanding control over their lives.
The evidence is the clinical experience of people with gender dysphoria, a condition of hundreds of thousands of Americans.
Apparently we're in agreement that nobody's seriously contesting the underlying biological reality. That definitely helps focus the discussion.
And "clinical experience" isn't much to go on, but if you're just saying that people who are experiencing delusions about their gender feel better when people around them play along and don't question those delusions, that doesn't suggest there's actually a new and different dimension of gender at all.
Nor does it speak to why we should treat this particular mental delusion differently than others, where the rest of society keeps its perspective on reality clearly in place rather than adopting the worldview of the ones struggling with that reality.
'And “clinical experience” isn’t much to go on,'
Of course not, completely inexperienced laypeople with strong opinions in the place of of expertise are much more reliable.
It's not a 'mental delusion.'
'Nor does it speak to'
It literally speaks to the actual recommended treatment.
Me a few days ago:
Nige a few days ago, in response to that:
Nige today:
OK then. Are you saying that bathrooms are a "treatment" but pronouns are not? That would certainly be a unique take.
Just in case it may have escaped your very non-superstitious-just-ask-you brain, you skirted my question.
Coming from the party of "Trump-Russia COLLUSION", that's hilarious, Meat.
That might make sense if people with gender dysphoria got better without gender-affirming care (when people assume they are delusions). But, most don't. Thus, what you call "play along" is a legitimate medical intervention.
And most importantly for this thread, it's that disagreement that is the crux of this case.
I actually took this into account in my prior comment: whatever label you choose to put on it, it's the first time I'm aware where the "treatment" for a mental delusion is to affirm and push the person further into that delusion rather than gently try to edge them back into reality.
Now, maybe I'm wrong about that piece, and there are prior examples. I'll read whatever support you may have. But where I am supremely confident is that this is the first time that society at large has been expected to also participate in and affirm the delusion as not a delusion at all, but reality.
Josh R Comment "I actually took this into account in my prior comment: whatever label you choose to put on it, it’s the first time I’m aware where the “treatment” for a mental delusion is to affirm and push the person further into that delusion rather than gently try to edge them back into reality."
Josh - Pushing the person further into the delusion has become the pseudo treatment. Its unfortunate that the advocates fail to recognize the obvious reality that treatment creates great harm.
Except for all the existing evidence that suggests it is in fact beneficial.
Stop begging the question.
You keep coming back to that, but there's no question to beg. We've established in this discussion that 1) biological gender is objective and immutable (i.e., "real), and 2) sincere transgender people believe that their gender is different than the objective and immutable one (i.e., "not real"). "Delusion" is a word that (we at least used to) use to describe believing something is real that is not. Pleasant euphemisms, wishful thinking, popular opinion polls, &c., can't change any of that core reality.
No. The genotype and phenotype determination of who is male or female is objective and immutable. That doesn't imply that it is a delusion when cerebrotype disagrees. Cerebrotype is just another way of determining who is male or female. When you assume that genotype and phenotype are the only legitimate indicators, you beg the question (assume your conclusion).
Thanks for being clear. If you've fully bought in to the notion that every individual can define their own subjective reality contrary to objective reality, there's just no sense in trying to continue a logical discussion about it.
I would, though, be interested in understanding if you see some limiting principle that cabins this brave new mindset to gender, or if you're envisioning a world where everyone determines -- and prescribes to those around them -- all aspects of their own personal reality. I really don't see how that works societally over the long haul.
The limiting principle is when hundreds of thousands of Americans experience dysphoria because of their subjective reality, and for most of them accepting that reality is the only treatment that works.
Move to strike as nonresponsive. I get the sense that you clearly see the base illogic of it all, but are just not quite sure what to do with that and so you keep going back to "they like it when you agree with them." While that may well be true -- most people like their beliefs to be validated, merits aside -- that's orthogonal to the questions of what's real and what's make-believe, and what happens to us as a society when we solemnly declare the make-believe to be real rather than gently trying to coax the make-believers back to reality as we do with all other mental disorders.
Again, if we're now being asked to believe that objective reality must yield to each individual's subjective opinion, where does that end?
My reply was responsive. I'm not responsible for you not understanding it.
OK, after the second content-free one-liner from you I gather the discussion phase is over. I do think we made some progress sharpening where the disagreement lies, and I appreciate the general level of civility in getting there.
Which certainly explains your posting history, Meat.
From where I sit, being real and being a mental illness are not at all mutually exclusive. Put differently, the vast majority of the mentally ill aren't faking it in the least.
If it is a mental illness, then there is no such trait as gender identity.
Is there such a trait as dissociative personalities? Sociopathy? Autism?
Nope, all made up "Conditions" just like when Homsexuality was an official Psychiatric condition until 1980 when DSM3 said it wasn't anymore.
There are individuals who reject existing gender categories, correct? Must institutions offer separate facilities for such individuals? And, may an individual insist on a unique facility for their unique identity?
If you accept that transgender people exist, and that gender dysphoria exists, and they *are* medically recognised conditions, then it follows that allowing transgender students to use the bathroom most comfortable to them due to their condition is the least harmful course.
I am trying to understand this. Is it the signs which control? If all but two students agree to a protocol for use by time, birth sex, etc., and the other two students can ignore the protocol, is this acceptable? Are no sign designations acceptable? Are students allowed to boycott a bathroom while in use by the two protocol non conforming, is that acceptable?
I would suppose it is aceptable by arrangement, and presumably students are free to boycott toilets if they want.
Nige - You still cant grasp that treating a mental illness in the manner you advocate permanently removes any chance for the afflicted to return to a normal life.
You still can't grasp that people who hate trans people deciding what is and isn't appropriate treatment for them is utterly unacceptable.
You still cant grasp that we are protecting minors. Yet to mature humans that are not capable of making life altering decisions that cannot be reversed.
Adults are free to mutilate themselves without interference.
You are intent on sucking children into some weird alternate sexual world.
Iowantwo
What is even more despicable is that youths suffering mental illness are being told they are transgender. Advocates such as Nige are encouraging a false diagnosis that permanently scars and damages those afflicted. His only retort is to scream that the sane people opposing the false diagnosis "hate trans"
Recent reports put the current percentage of teenagers who are diagnosed as trans are upwards of 1.3%. Its not even remotely plausible. Advocates such as Nige are part of the problem
Refusing children health care is not protecting kids. Outside of actual health care, it's no more controversial to treat, say, kids with autism who exhibit autuistic traits in a way consistent with and in accomodation of their condition and the way their traits present themselves.
Parent's making decisions about their childrens health care is the actual law. It literally takes an act of Congress to change that.
Yes it is, so you should stay out of it. But this issue isn't about health care.
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Yes it is, so you should stay out of it. But this issue isn’t about health care."
Nige - likewise - you should stay out of it - But no - you are an advocate for the current false fad diagnosis with zero ability to recognize the long term psychological and biological harm being done .
We are fully in favor of providing quality health care to those suffering the mental illness. We are opposed to the pseudo science that is promoted by advocates
Is NOT health care.
Trans is NOT a medical diagnosis.
Play silly word games. It still does not empower the govt to overrule the wishes of the parents.
'you are an advocate for the current false fad diagnosis'
You have arbitrarily decided a treatment is a fad because you want to deny a minority you hate access to health care.
'Trans is NOT a medical diagnosis.'
Of course not. Gender dysphoria is.
It appears that the District Court here split the baby -- denying a preliminary injunction, based in part on an intercircuit split of authority, while allowing the suit to proceed to a full trial on the merits. King Solomon, however, did not in fact split the baby -- he merely proposed doing so to smoke out which of the harlots was lying about being the mother.
I have difficulty understanding why the culture war pecker checkers place outsized importance on other persons' genitalia regarding restroom use. Just put locking doors on the individual stalls and rear children to mind their own business about the configuration of their peers' anatomy.
What baby is being split here?
No baby-splitting at all -- just a routine denial of a preliminary injunction. A PI is an extraordinary remedy, and thus the plaintiff needs to show they're almost certainly going to win and would be "irreparably harmed" absent the injunction (generally, harmed in a way that can't be adequately compensated by money damages that might later be awarded if they win). So there's a very wide band of potential merit not high enough to justify a PI but not low enough to get dismissed altogether. Most cases just proceed to trial on the merits exactly as this one is doing.
Even if this court found that this case satisfied a restrictive standard, the better figure of speech would be threading the needle, balancing on a knife's edge, sailing between Scylla and Charybdis, or something like that. Splitting a baby involves an irreversibly destructive act, and allowing a law to stand while it is challenged in court is not that.
Rightly or wrongly, a lot of lawyers say a judge "split the baby" in a ruling where neither side got entirely what they wanted.
I didn't realize you were taking issue with the term itself. My point was that even under the common if imprecise use of the term, that's not what happened here. It was a full-on loss for the plaintiff requesting the preliminary injunction.
not guilty, the analogy seems inapt. What is the baby here? I got lost on that one.
Can anyone explain why sex-segregated restrooms make any more sense than race-segregated restrooms?
Whip out your Johnson in a crowded ladies room and find out.
Men are pigs and there is a double standard. Denying the double standard was a way to fight back against pro-feminist laws by saying not if man does it to a woman, but also if a woman does it to a man.
This is a slo mo reductio ad absurdum.
In a sense they're both based on social norms.
But in Brown v. Board of Education, SCOTUS said that "the policy of separating the races is usually interpreted as denoting the inferiority of the negro group." I don't think you can make the argument that sex-segregated restrooms denote that one sex is superior to the other.
Because men and women have different needs in restrooms. Generally, neither want to see the genitalia of the other sex, and feel uncomfortable with people of the other sex seeing theirs. In fact, they usually don't even want to think about how members of the other sex use the restroom. Women don't want to even think about urinals, and I doubt many men are keen on seeing those little trash cans in ladies' stalls for used menstrual products.
Today is Transgender Day at the Volokh Conspiracy.
Yesterday was Muslim Day.
Tomorrow might be Drag Queen Day, or White Grievance Day, or Lesbian Day, or Racial Slur Day, or another Transgender Day, or Black Crime Day, or Viewpoint-Driven Cancel Culture Day, or another Muslim Day.
Carry on, clingers.
So when's "Jerry Day"?? umm,
"Jerry"
but I'll admit, you certainly have a Rapist's wit.
I'm beginning to think S-S-S-S-S-t-t-t-t uttering John Fetterman isn't going to support your commutation. Yes, when Senators get a taste of the good life they literally hang on until they're being lowered in the tomb (See, Feinstein, D, McConnel, M)
and his having anything to do with a Convicted Rapist, not gonna help his re-erection in 2028
Frank
These conservatives are your target audience, Volokh Conspirators . . . and the reason tenure is the only thing protecting your positions on legitimate law faculties.
You won't starve, though, if better Americans decide tenure is no longer a reason to keep you around. Liberty, Ave Maria, Regent, Brigham Young, South Texas -- and maybe Cooley, Notre Dame, St. Thomas -- will always take you. Or you guys could band together and start Hillsdale Law School, although I think that's where Profs. Somin and Kerr would disembark.
More than half a century ago, I vividly remember two US co-eds commenting on the fact that German railways did only have unisex bathrooms. That fact simply hadn’t occur to me in railway travel before, and, though I can’t voucher for it, it’s the same all over Europe.
What on earth are US Americans all hung up about bathrooms?
Because Pervs and Homos like Former Idaho Senator Larry Craig play footsie and look for hookups, (and he was a Repubiclown, imagine sitting neck to Senator "No Neck" Menendez or former MA Representative Barney Fag (HT D. Army)
Did you ever think how funny it was that a Representative named "Dick Army" (get it "Dick"?? "Army"?? "Dick Army"?) had the stones to call someone else a Fag?? If I was Barney Fag I'd have said "I may be a Fag, but he's in the Dick Army!")
One of the perks of Flying First Class I can the restroom whenever I want, no waiting, unlike the Schlubs in Steerage. But usually I just piss in a Gatorade bottle if I can instead of using any kind of Pubic restroom.
Frank "When you gotta go, you gotta go"
Will any of this blog's culture war rejects ever reveal the reason Trump- and Volokh-class right-wingers use random capitalization?
Carry on, clingers. So far as bigotry, ignorance, and superstition could carry anyone in modern America, that is.
"More than half a century ago, I vividly remember two US co-eds commenting on the fact that German railways did only have unisex bathrooms. "
Were those single occupancy by any chance?
I assume he means on the trains. That is so standard (same with planes) not sure what the point is.
It's gross to use a toilet too soon after someone else, before the stink passes. And, preferrably, the seat temp. My mind needs the fiction I'm the first one to ever use it.
At some point, the fever will break, and people will wonder why sex-segregation in restrooms and changing areas was so god damn important.
"Privacy and safety" - yeah, sure. I'm not entirely clear on why urinating around other men, or changing in a room around other men, is more "private" or "safe" than doing so around women. The level of "comfort" we perceive in these situations is entirely socially-dictated. We were raised with these norms, to such an extent judges and legislators view dictating them as unremarkable, even obvious. But in reality it's just arbitrary.
I've used a co-ed public restroom. Once you get around the initial discomfort - "Well, this is weird..." - it's completely ordinary.
"I’ve used a co-ed public restroom."
A co-ed multi-occupancy restroom? Where?
There are spots in NYC that do this.
Thanks for mansplaining how women should feel about being forced to share bathrooms with men.
"These guys wait for me to use the bathroom then all run in and beat off in the stalls next to me."
What I'm saying is that the "privacy" and "security" concerns are the same regardless of whether a space is same-sex or mixed-sex. Just because no one is interested in checking you out doesn't mean that it's not happening in the men-only spaces you enter.
Put another way, men and women are 100% capable of mingling without incident virtually everywhere else, including in spaces where they don't wear much, or any, clothing. Nothing makes locker rooms or restrooms special in this regard save for generations of telling ourselves that they are.