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Interstate Travel to Get Abortions has Prevented the Dobbs Decision from Significantly Reducing the Number of Abortions in the US
Some estimates suggest the number of abortions has even increased.

In the aftermath of the Supreme Court's ruling in Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization, overturning Roe v. Wade, many "red" states enacted tough new abortion restrictions. Abortion rights advocates feared and pro-lifers hoped that this would result in a major decrease in the number of abortions in the US. Some also predicted that many people might "vote with their feet" against abortion bans by moving to pro-choice states.
So far, however, data suggests none of this has happened. As the New York Times reports, data compiled by the pro-choice Guttmacher Institute indicates that the number of abortions may even have increased since Dobbs. That's largely because many women have gotten around state restrictions by traveling to more liberal states to get abortions:
Legal abortions most likely increased in the United States in the first six months of the year compared with 2020, an analysis of new estimates shows, as states with more permissive abortion laws absorbed patients traveling from those with bans and access to abortion pills via telemedicine continued to expand.
New research from the Guttmacher Institute offers the latest view of legal abortions since the Supreme Court's Dobbs decision last year upended access to abortion nationwide and allowed more than a dozen states to ban or restrict the procedure.
The data suggests that thousands of women have crossed state lines to obtain an abortion, in the face of restrictions at home. It also indicates a rise in abortions among those living in states where the procedure is legal…..
Altogether, about 511,000 abortions were estimated to have occurred in areas where the procedure was legal in the first six months of 2023, a review of Guttmacher's data shows, compared with about 465,000 abortions nationwide in a six-month period of 2020.
Abortions rose in nearly every state where the procedure remains legal, but the change was most visible in states bordering those with total abortion bans. Many of these states loosened abortion laws, and providers opened new clinics to serve patients coming from elsewhere.
Guttmacher and the New York Times used 2020 as a baseline, because that is the latest pre-Dobbs year for which they have full data. I wondered whether the 2020 numbers are artificially low, because some abortions were forestalled by Covid lockdowns and other pandemic-era restrictions. But that appears not to have been a major factor. Guttmacher estimates that the number of abortions in 2020 (930,000) was actually slightly higher than in pre-pandemic 2019 (about 916,000). The CDC, by contrast, estimated a slight 1.5% decrease between 2019 and 2020. But even that seems relatively minor.
A separate study conducted for the 538 site found that, in the first nine months after Dobbs, there were about 93,575 fewer abortions in states that banned or severely restricted abortions, but that this was in large part offset by an increase of 69,285 abortions in other states - an increase driven largely by interstate travel. The 538 estimate implies a reduction of roughly 32,000 abortions over a full year. But even that isn't very much when we recall that Guttmacher estimates a total of 930,000 annual abortions in 2020.
The 538 study suggests draconian restrictions in numerous states have achieved only about a 3% reduction in the number of abortions. The Guttmacher data imply there may be no reduction at all. I suspect the truth is somewhere in between.
Meanwhile, there is little or no evidence of any major abortion-driven migration away from states with harsh abortion restrictions. Perhaps it will yet happen. But it hasn't so far.
In a series of articles published earlier this year (see here and here), I tentatively predicted there would be relatively little abortion-driven "foot voting" through interstate migration because most women who want abortions could get around restrictions more easily by temporarily traveling to other states to get one or by doing mail-order "medication" abortions. That appears to be exactly what has happened. I also noted that interstate travel and medication abortions are themselves a kind of foot voting, albeit less far-reaching and less costly than migration.
None of this proves the new abortion restrictions are costless. Far from it. Having to go out of state to get an abortion is costly and inconvenient, particularly for poor women and those with relatively inflexible work schedules and domestic obligations. The new laws have also severely impacted abortion providers in the affected states. But interstate mobility has negated many (though not all) of the worst potential effects for women seeking abortions.
I'm pro-choice and an advocate of broad rights of bodily autonomy. So I welcome this effect of interstate mobility, even though I continue to decry the state laws that made it necessary.
But for pro-lifers, this state of affairs must be disappointing. It may lead some red states to try to enact laws barring their citizens from crossing state lines to get abortions, or punishing those who aid them, a step already considered by state legislatures in Missouri and Idaho.
If such laws are adopted, they are likely to be struck down by the courts. There are multiple strong constitutional arguments against them. In a concurring opinion in Dobbs, Justice Brett Kavanaugh – a key member of the conservative majority on the Supreme Court - said such bans are unconstitutional. While Kavanaugh's opinion isn't binding precedent, it's a strong sign of what the Supreme Court is likely to do if the issue comes before them.
Many pro-life activists and GOP politicians, including several presidential candidates, have advocated national abortion bans imposed by the federal government. I think such bans would also be unconstitutional, as beyond the scope of congressional power under Article I of the Constitution. But, unlike with state-imposed travel bans, I am very uncertain as to what the Supreme Court would do on this issue. Of course, it would not be easy for Republicans to enact a nationwide ban in the first place, as it would likely require simultaneous GOP control of both houses of Congress and the White House, plus willingness to suspend or abolish the filibuster (as otherwise 41 pro-choice senators could use that rule to block the legislation).
In addition, it's worth noting that mail-order abortions may be constrained by currently ongoing litigation over the legality of mifepristone, the leading abortion pill used in the US. The US Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit recently rejected claims that the FDA was wrong to approve it, but did strike down recent agency policies making access easier. The issue may well be ultimately resolved by the Supreme Court. If medication abortion is severely constricted, that may stimulate more interstate travel to get abortions, and perhaps even some interstate migration.
The future of abortion rights in the US remains uncertain. Much depends on what Congress does in the future, and how the courts react to it. But, so far, the combination of federalism and mobility has significantly limited the impact of Dobbs.
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You mean there are affordable forms of Interstate Travel??? No need for a 21st Century "Underground Railroad"????
And probably most of them by Infernal Combustion Powered Vehicles....
Oh, and whats an abortion cost nowadays? (haven't checked recently) $500?? Isn't it included with your Osama-Care??
So great, the Genocide of Afro-Amuricans will continue....
No, seriously, like Zaluchi said in GF1,
"I'd keep the traffic in the dark people - the colored. They're animals anyway, so let them lose their souls."
That was in reference to Heroin, but pretty sure he'd feel the same about this
Frank
"The 538 estimate implies a reduction of roughly 32,000 abortions over a full year. But even that isn't very much when we recall that Guttmacher estimates a total of 930,000 annual abortions in 2020.
The 538 study suggests draconian restrictions in numerous states have achieved only about a 3% reduction in the number of abortions. The Guttmacher data imply there may be no reduction at all. I suspect the truth is somewhere in between."
I'd consider a 32,000-per-year reduction in the number of murders - or even a 16,000-per-year reduction - pretty significant. The bigger the better, of course, but it's a nice start.
I assume you're already contributing to the Brady campaign?
Tom Brady's running!?!?!?!?! I'd contribute to that (and I'm an Atlanta fan, hey, I can appreciate greatness)
If you took into account the rape victims, the non-viable fetuses, the mothers with health complications, I wonder what it would look like. Then there's the monitoring of pregnant women, the accusations and investigations in the event of a miscarriage, the medical saff weighing medical interventions against draconian laws and whether it's even worthwile to continue working under the regime, the effects on physical and mental health and poverty of women having to go through pregnancies they didn't want and aren't prepared for, and good luck to a pregnant women pulled over by the cops when trying to travel out of state.
Likely a far smaller number than you realize.
Abortions are more common than ever. Deal with it. Even in places like Scotland. The effect of overturning Roe v. Wade was to make telemedicated abortions more accessible to more people. Moral of the story: Banning things often has the opposite effect that you were hoping for.
Not so:
https://www.westernjournal.com/happy-birthday-dobbs-tens-thousands-babies-saved-last-year-stats/
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/12/upshot/legal-abortions-fell-dobbs.html
Unless you have evidence that there's an illegal crime organization performing abortions at a massive pace, lives are being saved.
Meanwhile, there is little or no evidence of any major abortion-driven migration away from states with harsh abortion restrictions. Perhaps it will yet happen. But it hasn't so far.
It's almost as if foot voting doesn't work very well when it comes to laws that people think are unlikely to affect them. (Regardless of whether that's accurate - people are terrible with probabilities.)
In reality, people want all the red state policies and business environment and prioritize that over being able to walk across the street to scrape their baby out of its womb.
The really interesting question is: how have the gestational ages of the pregnancies at the time of their abortions changed? I’m quite sure abortions are now being done later in pregnancy (on average) than before Dobbs – how could it be otherwise??? But it would be interesting to see the details, if someone would measure them.
Whats the difference? you can get former VA Governor Blackface to pull a Tony Soprano on the, lets see, how did the Gov'nor put it??
"If a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen. The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother,"
Too bad his mother didn't have that "Discussion" with his birth
Frank
You lie. That is not what Governor/Dr. Northam said. It is only a misleadingly-edited excerpt of what he said.
Thats exactly what he said, of course I got it from CBS (Clinton Broadcasting System) News, so maybe you're right.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/virginia-governor-ralph-northam-holds-press-conference-on-controversial-abortion-comments/
Frank
The effect of Dobbs is limited to those states where abortions were already very hard to get.
What states were those? They certainly weren’t “very hard to get” in Texas, Alabama, or Jaw Jaw Might want to stick to the Porno reviews (whats up with that? been a few days)
Frank
If there’s not much impact then the pro abortion crowd can shut up about Dobbs.
Yes, all the hysterical rants by the pro-abortion lobby were all a big hoax. Reversing Roe has not stopped women from getting abortions.
It's not stopped *some* women from getting abortions. And any woman that it has stopped has had her life permanently upended by the fetus worshippers.
I'm really not impressed with the numbers argument. Suppose that Congress arbitrarily pulled a name from the phone book (if phone books still exist) and passed a law that John Smith is forbidden to speak or go to church, own a firearm, or remain silent if questioned by the police. Would you say, "oh, well, it's only one person so it doesn't really matter"? I doubt this. You'd recognize the egregious injustice being done to John Smith and demand that the law be repealed.
Same with the women (however few there may be) who are being stuck carrying pregnancies to term.
You reap what you sow. If John Smith committed an action that would prevent him from getting to church, owning a gun or avoiding any subpoenas, than that’s on him. It doesn’t even need to be a criminal action–if he did something reckless that risks him from getting to those conditions (such as injury), then Johnny must pay the consequences.
The same is true for any women who willfully commits an action that gets her pregnant–she took a risk and now needs to face the consequences. Your argument is akin to the idea that we should allow felons access to guns the moment they’re released. There shouldn’t be laws that allow a departure from responsibility.
Demanding accountability from both men and women is a trait of a good society, especially if it doesn’t needlessly end lives.
Since it's obviously paving the way for an attempt to enact a nation-wide abortion ban you should always end that dumb argument with '...yet.'
Obvious? Not so. Even red states permit abortion.
Hah, you wish.
You're going to be paying off that decision for decades. Women (or "Birthing vessels", as they're known in Republican circles) have long memories.
The aborted women don't (have long memories)
A lot of women are anti-abortion. It is the Democrats, not the Republicans, who use strange euphemism for women.
That explains why abortion rights has done so well when it's been on the ballot. Women, and men, in red Kentucky and Kansas promptly voted pro choice. As they will in Ohio, Wisconsin, Michigan and Florida. Republicans are right to be scared of the issue.
Because they know most of the people getting abortions are the peoples we want to get abortions, and even if abortions are unrestricted it'll still be mostly poor blacks/hispanics and the occasional hillbilly, heck, it's why nothing was done for 50 years despite 3 "Pro Life"Repubic-clown POTUS's, until "45" mistakenly thought he was actually supposed to appoint Pro-Life Judges instead of Sandra Day Occonnor's Anthony Kennedy, Bruce Sutter...
Frank
Not the educated, accomplished, reasoning women residing in successful, educated, strong communities, though.
That’s rich coming from you–what you claim are “educated, accomplished, reasoning women residing in successful, educated, strong communities” actually believe nonsense like thinking they can turn into men if they just say so and add hormones to their bodies (and also to what few children they have if they feel likewise), rather than the true scientific law that life beings at conception.
You are not telling the truth. Repent.
In fact, women on the whole are appreciably more pro life than men. So it would be more credible to assert that creepy pro choice men supposedly have long memories that will have a political effect.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/245618/abortion-trends-gender.aspx
Where do you get your number from?
That women are more pro life than men? Probably from living with them my whole life. It's funny, most women like babies, (OK, maybe not having them) heck, it's why even the Lesbos have them, almost like there's a maternal instinct or something, it's actually us men who if left to our Caveman urges would throw the new baby into the campfire. ("More Mouth to Feed!, Will Compete for Women!"
Kill"!)
It's why they have Sympathy cards for miscarriages, man, you really need to get and meet some real women.
Frank
I'd imagine that was more snark than serious, but ironically enough it's the lefties that have started socializing the term "birthing persons" over the last couple of years.
Professor Somin....you lost your credibility when you supported vaccine mandates. Some libertarian.
Gatekeeping libertarianism is pretty lame, dude.
Gates are important. They keep people from being gored by bulls.
Sarcastr0, you do know "No true Scotsman!" is only regarded as a fallacy because it's presumed to be invoked on some basis other than national origin, right? If I were to say, "No true Scotsman is born on Easter Island, lacks any Scottish ancestry, and has never even visited Scotland!", it would not be a fallacy.
So, saying that somebody isn't a libertarian when they take positions contrary to libertarianism is perfectly reasonable, because being a libertarian is defined in terms of pro-liberty positions!
Being all 'no true scotsman' about the 'no true scotsman' fallacy is quite the meta argument.
He's right, though. You shouldn't claim to be a follower of a principle when you willfully break it.
Saying 'I am the arbiter of libertarianism and you don't meet the criteria' is not a fallacy; it's not even really an argument.
It's just an ideological yowl, alongside a personal attack.
All heat, no light.
That is why it is bad.
What's "bad" about it? Brett didn't declare or invent what libertarianism is, he simply followed the long-established principles of libertarianism--and noticed that Somin willfully went against it by supporting vaccine mandates. You haven't refuted that--and Brett didn't even make any personal attacks!
Take the L.
Libertarianism does not include any right to expose others to your pathogen. That's aggression. You are free to remain unvaccinated - in the privacy of your own home.
"I'm pro-choice and an advocate of broad rights of bodily autonomy"
Regardless of how you define libertarianism, vaccine mandates are not particularly compatible with "broad rights of bodily autonomy"
Either you think "bodily autonomy" applies outside the context of reproductive rights, or you don't support "broad rights of bodily autonomy".
So by definition libertarianism is utterly useless in the face of broad society-affecting crises that require fast and widespread actions to mitigate or prevent. So, as of lately, is conservatism.
Except that COVID-19 isn't like all those "crises" you claim it it is. Never mind the fact that the vaccines weren't effective as it was claimed to be.
You are not a libertarian.
Not to interrupt your joyous reenactment of some weird birthchild of the Stanford Prison Experiment and the Crusades, but you might try getting out of your own house a bit more: the basis for that otherizing power trip faded out a couple of years ago after it became inescapable that the vaccines indeed did not reduce transmission efficacy much if at all.
They did, in fact, reduce spread and severity, but well done on doing your bit to sabotage and undermine that and then claim victory.
You are mistaken--COVID's death rates among anyone under 50 are astronomically low that it's actually more risky for them to take the vaccine as they may get blood clots.
The COVID infection stats during winter 2022 also show that despite all the vaccinations that happened compared to 2020, the cases are much higher--meaning the vaccines simply did not prevent spread as claimed.
Virus-flouting, science-disdaining, superstition-addled clingers are be among my favorite faux libertarian culture war casualties.
The "virus-flouting, science-disdaining, superstition-addled clingers" rightfully pointed out that the vaccines are not as effective as claimed and did not stop the spread of COVID-19:
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/science/articles/vaccines-never-prevented-transmission-covid-alex-gutentag
https://www.themainewire.com/2023/04/cdc-director-walensky-says-vaccines-dont-stop-transmission-why-does-maine-still-mandate-the-shot/
Even Walensky has now admitted this. Sounds very different from what Biden said: “If you’re vaccinated, you’re not going to be hospitalized, you’re not going to be in the IC unit, and you’re not going to die.” How the hell do you defend that, Artie?
The pro-choice moment is voting with there fetuses.
In the short term, especially in less advanced jurisdictions, that seems accurate. In the medium to long term, especially in educated, reasoning, strong, modern communities, that seems predictably wrong.
Tell me, what is more "advanced," sucking out a 38 week old baby's brain when the head is outside the birth canal, or blasting off into another man's rear with no protection?
You've been in "Stir" too long "Coach"
your average bee-otches killing their babies are non-college degree, poor, primarily black/hispanic/poor whites who already have spit a few bastards out of their Va-jay-jays but can't remember to take a pill.
In short, your "Bitter Klingers"
Frank
What no one is mentioning are side effects and complications.
To interstate travel?
Peoples do regularly die doing that.
Something like 9% of abortions require a medical followup and I can see criminal prosecution of women requiring such care.
Doesn't every state require the reporting of gunshot wounds? Well a similar law requiring evidence of abortion would be legal.
The problem is that the poor are the exact people we want to be aborting their low quality fetuses in the first place.
Dammit, not so loud! our sinister "Replacement" plan is well underway, they're already killing each other 5x the rate of any other race, now if we can just get Oral Contraceptives into the Malt Liquor, and Salt Peter into the Churches Fried Chicken and we'll be set!
Mwahahahahahahahah
Frank
They are, but it's not enough. There's a very simple solution. Make abortion illegal for whites and make it mandatory for blacks. Then each party gets some of what they want!
Maybe they're hoping the Biden Benghazi will distract from the promises of nation-wide abortion bans.
It is disappointing, but at least we're not complicit in the killings, and that's not worthless.
Left unmentioned by Somin: any effect on the availability of obstetrical care in communities in Dobbs-embracing states. That has already happened here and there (Idaho, for instance). It will probably play out more generally over time.
Decades ago I had a friend who was a practicing obstetrician, but also morally opposed to abortion. He sometimes offered hard-pressed pregnant women who sought abortions the opportunity instead to board cost-free in his home, with him and his wife. After the women delivered, he then helped to arrange adoptions for the babies.
As far as I know, that doctor was not even religiously motivated. He just did not approve of medically unnecessary abortions. But he told me he would never practice anywhere that prohibited abortion, because it was an indispensable part of obstetrical practice.
I think it takes a religious nutcase to practice obstetrics in a state which prohibits abortion. Those can't be common enough to keep obstetrical services available throughout the Dobbs-embracing states.
I also wonder about the insurance angle. Obstetrics is a medical practice notoriously expensive to insure. How will insurance companies react to increased malpractice risk (if that happens) because a religiously-motivated obstetrician refused an abortion, and catastrophic consequences ensued? I can imagine states where insurance companies simply refused obstetrical practice coverage, while Dobbs-inspired legislators and courts attempted to compel coverage under religious freedom laws.
There are, so far as I know, no states that "prohibit abortion", as opposed to prohibiting elective abortion. In every one of them, if an abortion is actually medically necessary, it's legal.
Here's the Wikipedia page on abortion laws. See that map, and the legend under it? The strictest category isn't "Illegal", it's "Illegal with exceptions." As Wikipedia says, "All states make exceptions if the mother’s life is in immediate danger."
Pro-abort activists have taken to calling prohibitions on elective abortions "banning abortion", and the compliant media play along with them.
Bellmore, I get that's what political flacks say to justify right-wing policies. Problem is, obstetricians don't agree that those are the facts, and it's the obstetricians and their insurers you have to convince.
That still doesn't change the fact that Brett correctly stated the facts. The activists and media are the ones spreading the lies--they must be held accountable for that.
I guess the Democracy will survive in spite of all predictions of its demise.
The Euros have a workable approach. 12-15 week term limits except for conditions that threaten health of mother.
What!?!?! Europeans don't have ("Dr") Governor Ralph Northam "Partial" Birth Abortions??? ("Partial"? the Guv'nor was talking about a "Full Birth" Abortion) https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/31/politics/ralph-northam-third-trimester-abortion/index.html
I thought Europeans were so much more "Progressive" than us Hayseed Amuricans???
Frank
Funny seeing all of the triggered conservatives on here. But the fact is that banning something doesn't always have the effect of reducing the things you are trying to ban. In the case of abortion, the liberal backlash to the Supreme Court's 2022 decision likely led to increased access to abortion in the form of telemedicine and abortion medications. This is why there are more abortions now than ever.
Which is great! because it results in fewer “Minorities” being born, and fewer Minorities to rape/kill/rob you, so you’d think the Bee-Otches would be happy that it’s easier to kill their unborn babies. (I’m sure Hunter Biden wishes his Whore had aborted his) but they don’t seem happy
Frank “Hello Mrs. Obama, come right back and we’ll take care of your “Women’s Health Care” Hawaiian law does require that we tell you you may be aborting a future President”
Ann Dunham "What? I thought I was coming in for a "procedure" because one of my blood tests was "abnormal"??
The federal government cannot directly regulate either the practice of medicine or crimes of violence. So whichever way you see abortion, direct regulation should be outside the federal scope.
But the federal government could do many things that fall well within its traditional powers to either restrict or facilitate abortion, and could have a huge impact of it wants. It could ban interstate travel to obtain an abortion or interstate commerce in abortifacients. Or in the reverse direction, not only could it prohibit state restrictions on interstate travel to obtain an abortion, it could make abortion legal in all federal enclaves within states and put an abortion clinic in every VA hospital and Social Security building, every post office if it wants to.
I'm not seeing a big difference between one way of avoiding saying "women" and another way of avoiding saying "women". What's the big objection to just saying "women"?
Oh, yeah, it conflicts with pretending that men can be "women".
It's the difference between taking people's freedom to choose away and giving people freedom to choose. I'm not surprised you can't see a big difference.
Plus, lol, you can't even get your dumb culture war blather right.
They beat Carolina last week, so go blow Hunter Biden.
400lb Tranny Welfare Queen/Crack Whores aren't born that big (be pretty cool if they were) so by your "Logic" killing a 1 year old child isn't as bad as killing an adult because they're not as tall???
On second thought, keep killing off your next generations, we only need a few thousand of your breed to fill the professional sports jobs available.
Some gun control laws have a negligible effect, and we should know about that also.
Read my reply to Krychek_2 above. You reap what you sow.
If we look at the hard science, what you call "potential women" are actually true human beings--life begins at conception.
How about we consider the lives of them both and accept accountability for one's action? Hmm?
Giving people freedom to choose =/= giving people freedom to run away from consequences of their actions.
It's not a hard principle to learn about. Your argument is akin to a child whining that his rights are being taken away when his parents remove access to his toys as a result of his bratty behavior.
The government's role is to protect “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness”. It’s not wrong to see people become accountable for their acts of their own will and not end any lives in doing so.