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More on Standing in the 303 Creative Case
A response to my critique of the Court's new standing jurisprudence.
"This Court has never recognized an unqualified right to pre-enforcement review of constitutional claims in federal court. … As our cases explain, the 'chilling effect' associated with a potentially unconstitutional law being 'on the books' is insufficient to 'justify federal intervention' in a pre-enforcement suit. Instead, this Court has always required proof of a more concrete injury and compliance with traditional rules of equitable practice. The Court has consistently applied these requirements whether the challenged law in question is said to chill the free exercise of religion, the freedom of speech, the right to bear arms, or any other right."
Whole Women's Health v. Jackson (2021) (majority opinion)
No one contends that pre-enforcement review should be available whenever a state law chills the exercise of a constitutional right. Rather, as this Court explained in Young, pre-enforcement review is necessary "when the penalties for disobedience are . . . so enormous" as to have the same effect "as if the law in terms prohibited the [litigant] from seeking judicial construction of laws which deeply affect its rights." 209 U. S., at 147.
Whole Women's Health v. Jackson (2021) (Sotomayor, J., concurring in part and dissenting in part) (joined by Justices Kagan and Breyer)
A couple of weeks ago I posted an article (here) criticizing the Court's decision in the website designer's case (303 Creative v. Elenis) granting Lorie Smith standing to pursue her claim in federal court. My argument, in essence, was that Lorie Smith suffered no "concrete injury" whatsoever, that the case was entirely hypothetical make-believe ("If she does this, and the State of Colorado does that, then her constitutional rights will have been violated"), and that the penalties for disobeying the statute were not "so enormous" as to justify pre-enforcement review of her hypothetical claim.
Incidentally, those of you who disagree with my contention that the Court is in the process of completely dismantling the standing requirement in federal courts should take a look at the colloquy between Justices Roberts and Kagan in the student loan case, Biden v. Nebraska, another late-Term case in which the Court allows a plaintiff (the State of Missouri) to proceed with its challenge despite having suffered no injury whatsoever.
The following is a response authored by John Ohlendorf and David Thompson of Cooper, Kirk in Washington DC, authors of an amicus brief in the 303 Creative case on behalf of Young Americas Foundation in support of Lorie Smith, taking issue with my post (and several others which had been similarly critical of the Court's standing analysis in the case). I've reprinted it below in full (saving my response to their comments for a subsequent post).
After the Supreme Court issued its landmark decision in favor of free expression in 303 Creative LLC v. Elenis at the end of the last Term, a curious thing happened: several commentators, including Professor Post, published sharply worded criticisms of the decision not based on its interpretation of the First Amendment as barring the application of Colorado's Anti-Discrimination Act (CADA) to the Petitioners' speech, but over an issue that was not even contested before the Supreme Court at the merits stage—whether the Petitioners, 303 Creative and its owner Lorie Smith, had standing to sue. We confess to being puzzled by these criticisms—not only because we thought the Petitioners' standing was a slam-dunk (for reasons we laid out in an amicus brief we filed before the Court on behalf of the Young America Foundation), and not only because the other side apparently thought so too, given the Respondents' decision not to dispute standing before the Court (and the failure of Justice Sotomayor's to mention the issue in her dissent). The most puzzling part of these criticisms is their failure to meaningfully engage with what we thought was the most straightforward reason Ms. Smith and her company had standing to challenge Colorado's Act: the direct, imminent, and undisputed injury that the Act's "Communication Clause" inflicted on Ms. Smith's speech. In this post, after briefly discussing the background of the case, we explain why this injury unquestionably gave Ms. Smith standing to challenge the Act. We also argue the posts by Professor Post and others also fail even on their own terms to cast any doubt on the Petitioners' standing.
Lorie Smith and the Colorado Anti-Discrimination Act.
As explained in the Supreme Court's decision, Lorie Smith is a digital artist who "offers website and graphic design, marketing advice, and social media management services" through her business, 303 Creative. She recently "decided to expand her offerings to include services for couples seeking websites for their weddings," and while she "provides her website and graphic services to customers regardless of their race, creed, sex, or sexual orientation," she conscientiously objects to creating content that "contradict[s] her own views," including "her belief that marriage should be reserved to unions between one man and one woman."
Ms. Smith has not yet begun designing websites for weddings, but on September 21, 2016, she received a request from an individual who identified himself as "Stewart," who expressed interest in Ms. Smith doing design work for his upcoming wedding with "Mike." This request has been the center of some post-decision controversy—an article in The New Republic alleges that the request may have been contrived by someone other than Stewart, but Ms. Smith's attorneys insist they believed it to be genuine. Neither the Supreme Court or the Tenth Circuit relied on this request in assessing Ms. Smith's standing, but given the controversy, we will return to it below.
Whether or not an actual gay couple named Stewart and Mike wished to have Ms. Smith design content for their wedding, she certainly feared that once she expanded into the wedding business she would likely be approached to design for gay weddings. And she also feared that Colorado would interpret its broadly worded Anti-Discrimination Act as compelling her to do that design work, in spite of her religious objections. That law, CADA, contains two clauses that are particularly relevant. First, the "Accommodation Clause" makes it unlawful for any person to withhold the "services" of "a place of public accommodation" on the basis of "sexual orientation." In a series of decisions—including the State's well-known prosecutions of cake-baker Jack Phillips—Colorado has interpreted that language as forbidding creative professionals from declining to provide wedding-related services promoting same-sex weddings. Second, and importantly for our analysis, CADA's "Communication Clause" bans a person from even communicating the intent to provide services in a way that violates the Accommodation Clause.
Because of these two clauses, Ms. Smith feared she would face liability if she were to even publicly announce her plan to expand into the wedding design space (along with her religious objections to designing for same-sex weddings). Before announcing her plans, she accordingly brought a preenforcement challenge to CADA, seeking to clarify her First Amendment rights. The Supreme Court, of course, ultimately agreed with Ms. Smith that CADA could not be applied to compel her to design websites expressing views that "defy her conscience."
Ms. Smith's Standing Under the Communication Clause
The post-decision commentary surrounding Ms. Smith's standing has largely ignored CADA's Communication Clause. Professor Post does not mention it at all. But we think Ms. Smith's injury under this Clause secures her standing beyond any reasonable dispute.
Begin with the basics. It has long been black-letter law that an individual need not actually violate an unconstitutional law and then face prosecution to test the law's validity. Rather, most constitutional litigation today takes place on a preenforcement basis—with a plaintiff seeking declaratory and injunctive relief against a law that is reasonably chilling the exercise of her constitutional rights. Under the test set out in Susan B. Anthony List v. Driehaus, such a plaintiff has standing if she "alleges an intention to engage in a course of conduct arguably affected with a constitutional interest, but proscribed by a statute, and there exists a credible threat of prosecution thereunder."
Ms. Smith's injury under the Communication Clause checks all of these boxes. She squarely alleged that she wished to post an announcement that she was expanding into the wedding design space and explaining her religious convictions about marriage. That course of conduct is obviously "affected with a constitutional interest"; indeed, the Tenth Circuit aptly referred to web design as "pure speech." Nor is there any doubt that Colorado interprets CADA as proscribing this speech, and that there is a credible risk that it would prosecute Ms. Smith for publishing her intent to create wedding websites for opposite-sex weddings only. In fact, the State admitted as much at oral argument before the district court (see here at App. 1-147–48). And just witness the State's aggressive prosecution of Jack Philips and his Masterpiece Cakeshop under the same statute. In short, Ms. Smith's injury under CADA's Communication Clause is as clear a case of preenforcement standing as we've seen.
Critically, Ms. Smith's standing to challenge the Communication Clause also necessarily gives her standing to challenge CADA's Accommodations Clause. The two clauses work in tandem: the Accommodations Clause bars an individual from denying service on certain bases, and the Communication Clause bars her from communicating the intent to deny service on those bases. The Communication Clause is thus nothing more than an enforcement mechanism implementing the Accommodations Clause: the substantive conduct that, under the Communication Clause, a person cannot say she will do—denying certain goods or services—is the very conduct that the Accommodation Clause forbids her to do. And the sole purpose of preventing a person from publishing their intent to deny service is to stop the denial itself. Indeed, prohibiting the communication of the intent to engage in such practices would be utterly pointless if the practices themselves were not prohibited by the Accommodation Clause.
An injury under the Communication Clause thus necessarily grants standing to challenge both Clauses. That is because, in the jargon of standing, the "injury-in-fact" of not being able to publish your intent to deny services is "fairly traceable" not only to the Communication Clause but also to the Accommodations Clause. The whole reason the Communication Clause bars Ms. Smith from saying that she would decline to create websites for same-sex weddings is that the Accommodation Clause bars her from declining to create such websites in the first place. If there were no bar on denying services, there would perforce be no bar on communicating the denial, and no injury; hence, that injury is traceable to the original cause.
The Supreme Court recently explained and applied precisely these principles in Federal Election Commission v. Ted Cruz for Senate. (Full disclosure: our Firm also represented Senator Cruz in that case.) In that case, Senator Cruz challenged a provision of the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act ("BCRA") that capped, at $250,000, the amount of loans from a candidate to his own campaign committee that could be repaid by the committee with funds raised after the election. This statutory provision was implemented by a regulation promulgated by the FEC, which largely duplicated the statutory restriction but also added a few additional implementing details, including a rule requiring repayment within 20 days after the election of any portion of a candidate loan exceeding $250,000. While the FEC argued that Senator Cruz's injury ($10,000 in unpaid candidate loans arising out of the 2018 election) was purportedly caused only by the regulatory 20-day rule, the Court held that Senator Cruz also had standing to challenge BCRA itself, because his injury was fairly traceable to the statutory provision the regulation had been promulgated to implement. If there were no statutory limit on repaying loans, there would perforce be no regulation implementing that limit, and no injury—hence, Senator Cruz's injury was traceable to the original cause.
While the Supreme Court's decision in 303 Creative does not extensively discuss standing, we read it as clearly consistent with this line of reasoning. The Court explained that the "Communication Clause . . . prohibits any speech inconsistent with the Accommodation Clause," and that in fact "Colorado concedes that its authority to apply the Communication Clause to Ms. Smith stands or falls with its authority to apply the Accommodation Clause." Because Ms. Smith's injury under the former "stands or falls" with the constitutional validity of the latter, it is fairly traceable to both.
As noted above, Professor Post's criticisms of Ms. Smith's standing do not treat with the Communication Clause at all; but another widely circulated blog post, by attorney Adam Unikowsky, does address Ms. Smith's injury under the Clause in passing. His arguments are unpersuasive. Unikowsky claims Ms. Smith's injury under the Communication Clause illustrates "how this is a fake case" because most graphic designers "don't enter the wedding website design business while proudly and publicly proclaiming on their websites that they won't serve same-sex couples." That is inconsistent with the stipulated facts below, which state (here at pages 188a-189a) that Ms. Smith had a sincere religious desire to post her statement in an effort to be honest and transparent about what services she offered. And in any event, Ms. Smith's motives for wishing to be upfront about her religious beliefs are irrelevant. For even if Ms. Smith only wished to publish her religious beliefs "in order to manufacture standing," as Unikowsky speculates, that would not affect her standing; as the Cruz case also explained, "we have made clear that an injury resulting from the application or threatened application of an unlawful enactment remains fairly traceable to such application, even if the injury could be described in some sense as willingly incurred." Indeed, as Cruz pointed out, a contrary rule would be inconsistent with several landmark civil rights cases that allowed plaintiffs to willingly subject themselves to racially discriminatory laws in order to challenge them.
Unikowsky seeks support for his "self-inflicted" argument in Clapper v. Amnesty International USA, where he says "the Court held that if a plaintiff lacks standing to challenge a government action on the ground that it's too speculative, it can't manufacture standing by taking precautions against that speculative action and then alleging standing based on those precautions." But Cruz discusses and expressly distinguishes Clapper from the situation here. In Clapper, Cruz explains, the plaintiffs' "problem . . . was that they could not show that they had been or were likely to be subjected to [the challenged surveillance] policy in any event." Here, there is no question that Colorado interprets the Communication Clause as proscribing the announcement Ms. Smith wishes to publish, or that there is a credible threat that they would enforce the Clause against her.
Finally, Unikowsky also endorses the district court's backwards reasoning that the intertwined nature of the Communication Clause and the Accommodation Clause, rather than giving Ms. Smith standing to challenge both, somehow strips away her ability to challenge even the Communication Clause. That is plainly incorrect under the settled legal principles discussed above.
In short, given the Communication Clause's clear bar on Ms. Smith's proposed (and constitutionally protected) speech, there can be no serious doubt that she had standing to challenge that the Supreme Court's decision arose out of a genuine "case or controversy."
Ms. Smith's Standing Directly Under the Accommodation Clause
While the argument above suffices to guarantee Ms. Smith's standing, we also think she clearly had standing directly under the Accommodation Clause, and that the arguments by Professor Post and Mr. Unikowky miss the mark. There is no real dispute that Ms. Smith wishes to design wedding websites (for opposite-sex weddings), or that this "course of conduct" is "affected with a constitutional interest." Instead, the controversy centers around whether or not there was a "credible threat" that Colorado would enforce the Accommodation Clause against her.
Professor Post, for example, suggests that the risk of enforcement depends on four different contingencies:
- Smith would have had to actually open up a wedding website to the public;
- Having done so, Smith would have had to receive a request from a same-sex couple for wedding-related web design/hosting services;
- Having received such a request, she would have had to refuse to provide the services requested, services that she would happily provide to a heterosexual couple; and
- Given her refusal to provide services at her website requested by a same-sex couple that she would have provided to a heterosexual couple, the Colorado Commission on Civil Rights would have to decide to file a CADA claim against her, based on that refusal, for violating CADA.
This list is far less formidable than it is made to appear. The first contingency is no contingency at all—Ms. Smith squarely alleged she intended to go into the wedding design space, and Colorado stipulated to the fact (see here at pages 186a-187a)—and Professor Post expressly concedes that the fourth contingency would also be met if the others are. So really we are talking about two contingencies: that Ms. Smith would receive a request to design for a same-sex wedding and would turn it down. And in point of fact, that final contingency is also not in dispute: for Colorado also expressly stipulated, in the district court, that Ms. Smith "will decline any request to design, create, or promote content that . . . promotes any conception of marriage other than marriage between one man and one woman." So at the end of the day, the only link in the chain of Ms. Smith's injury directly under the Accommodation Clause that is meaningfully contingent is receiving a request to provide content design services for a same-sex wedding. With respect to Professor Post, we do not think it is plausible to claim that "the likelihood of that happening [is] somewhere between 'low' and 'virtually non-existent.' " Jack Philips and Barronelle Stutzman of Arlene's Flowers would certainly agree with us.
Accordingly, we do not think Ms. Smith's standing under the Accommodation Clause—again, even setting aside her standing under the Communication Clause—is in any reasonable doubt. And that is before one even considers the 2016 request for wedding design services by a couple identified as Mike and Stewart. That is likely why neither the the Tenth Circuit nor the Supreme Court placed any weight on that request in analyzing standing. But given the controversy surrounding that request, it is worth considering how the matter would stand if the 2016 request had in fact been the lynchpin of Ms. Smith's standing—and if, as The New Republic's reporting has alleged, the request was a fake.
To begin, Ms. Smith's attorneys have stated that they believed the request was genuine, and we are not aware of anyone coming forward with any reason to doubt that representation. Under CADA, however, that reasonable belief is all that is necessary to assure Ms. Smith's standing. That is so because CADA squarely prohibits Ms. Smith from denying services not only based on a prospective customer's actual "sexual orientation," but also on her "perception thereof"—that is, her reasonable belief that the prospective customer has a particular sexual orientation. It thus matters not at all whether Mike is an actual man who wishes to marry another man named Stewart; all that matters is that Ms. Smith reasonably believed that was the case.
Unikowky does not address this point, but he might respond by arguing that Ms. Smith's belief that the request was genuine was not a reasonable one, because she should have made more of an effort "checking whether Stewart and Mike were fake." The trouble with this assertion is that an investigation into Stewart's and Mike's sexual orientation could itself have subjected Ms. Smith to liability under CADA. Unikowsky resists this conclusion, arguing interrogating a prospective customer about his sexual orientation would amount to no greater violation of CADA's Accommodation Clause than simply refusing the request. But that ignores that such an investigation (by contrast to simply refusing the request through failing to respond) would also have risked violating yet another of CADA's restrictions—barring any statement that "directly or indirectly . . . indicates . . . that an individual's patronage . . . is unwelcome, objectionable, unacceptable, or undesirable because of . . . sexual orientation." Ms. Smith quite understandably did not wish to expose herself to additional liability under this clause by interrogating the requestor about his sexual orientation.
Accordingly, Ms. Smith reasonably took the request from Stewart at face value, and that is all that is necessary for CADA's Accommodation Clause to kick in and restrict her speech. She thus had standing to challenge CADA several times over. The critics of the decision would do better to take a page from Justice Sotomayor's dissent and train their fire elsewhere.
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What is the "constitutional interest" that "operating a custom wedding website business" is "affected with?"
Do people have a constitutional right to operate custom wedding website businesses and offer them to the public? How does that work?
According to the authors, the 10th circuit referred to web design as "pure speech." If that is correct, I suppose that's the constitutional interest.
Randal: Yes, as even the 303 Creative panel majority opinion recognized (and on this point I think it was quite right, and the Supreme Court agreed):
I'm down with all that. Certainly she has a First Amendment right to make websites for people, including the right not to make websites she doesn't want to make.
The problem is, CADA has nothing to say about that. She could've done all that and been totally fine... I think?
It's only when she decides to make a business out of the whole thing that CADA kicks in.
Eugene, are you suggesting that people have a constitutional right to make a business out of anything that enjoys First Amendment protection? That's the part that's surprising to me. I feel like businesses are properly subject to additional regulations.
I can see how being prohibited from opening a business could be an economic injury. But I've never heard that an economic injury is sufficient for pre-enforcement standing. Is an economic injury still "affected with a constitutional interest" in a situation like this?
That's what I'm wondering about. If so, what's the scope of "affected" exactly? Here it seems to mean something like "could potentially be remedied by litigating a hypothetical case on constitutional grounds," which to me is pretty flimsy.
Well lets extend that reasoning just a little, say I'm an author and I write books for a living. So once I commit to be a professional author, now the content is subject to regulation?
Indeed, that was the panel majority's argument (and remember that the majority ultimately held for the state on the merits):
This is, again, not responsive. I'm not trying to draw a line between "regular" speech and commercial speech.
I'm proposing that at the time she filed her suit, she had not suffered a constitutional injury, only an economic one.
Generally, I thought, pre-enforcement challenges require a constitutional injury, i.e. "I would've said XYZ but for this regulation, so the regulation is infringing a constitutional right even though it hasn't been enforced."
That's not true here. She hasn't suffered a constitutional injury... unless the profit itself is constitutionally protected.
Yes, it is! That's exactly what her claim is!
No, her claim is that she can't start a website business. She can publish all the opposite-sex wedding websites she wants. Her speech hasn't been constrained at all (yet), just her pocketbook.
The Colorado law forbids her from saying -- like some leftists in the last thread suggested she should say -- that she only wants to do web sites for opposite-sex marriages.
Yes. Following the lead of the OP, we're ignoring that here in order to get to the more interesting standing questions.
But since you mentioned it... the Court didn't have much to say about that since the case turned on the Accomodations piece, not the Communications piece. But the Communications piece is commercial speech. I think the OP glossed over this issue too quickly.
Sure, and the discussion down-thread about the lack of a constitutional right to advertise intent to illegally discriminate goes to the merits for both clauses. But that also implies that the validity of the Accomodations Clause is a threshold question a cause of action over the Communications Clause.
I've always found the intersection of constitutional rights and money a bit confusion; I think there's quite a bit of irrational inconsistency in this area of the law, on account of the determination to destroy economic liberty while making a show of preserving non-economic liberty.
There are all manner of things I have a constitutional right to do on a whim. And among them is giving somebody money!
And yet, there is a long list of things I'm entitled to do, which if you give me money on account of having done them, suddenly a crime has taken place. How can the conjoined exercise of two rights add up to a crime? It makes no sense!
But here we are, because the Court finds it inconvenient to acknowledge economic liberties; They get in the way of too much government now wants to do, I guess.
Of course. Why would you think otherwise?
Sure. Ones related to their conduct, that only incidentally affect speech. But not speech-related ones.
If the individual has a First Amendment right to open a business, I don’t see how you can limit the scope in that way. Anything that impacts business would impact the business’s speech in the sense of putting the business (and its speech) at risk. Like, if there were a zoning law preventing me from setting up a manufacturing plant in a residential district, but I want to use my First Amendment right to paint my factory with messages targeting those residents, can I do a pre-enforcement challenge against the zoning law under strict scrutiny? That seems insane to me.
A zoning law couldn't target specific content - it couldn't, for example, allow you to write pro-gay marriage messages while prohibiting anti-gay marriage messages.
Content neutral restrictions are generally analyzed as time/place/manner restrictions.
That wasn’t the analysis in 303 Creative. The court simply said that because she would hypothetically be coerced to speak, violating her First Amendment rights, CADA would be held to strict scrutiny.
If anything, my zoning example makes the standing analysis even easier, since the zoning law has already denied the potential factory proprietor his First Amendment right to speak.
This line of reasoning makes me think that any regulation on any business could be held to strict scrutiny just by someone claiming to want to open a hypothetical business (with an arbitrary creative element) that would be subject to the regulation. So far none of you have explained why not.
The same way you can ban the burning of draft cards. Conduct that only incidentally involves speech can be regulated, in a content-neutral way, even if that regulation impacts speech.
In these cases the speech isn't incidental. Or she'd've lost.
Commercial speech can be restricted in ways beyond other speech.
But your point is about the core business being anything that enjoys First Amendment protection, so I think you're right and I'm just being a pedant.
Is the “core business” the key concept here? That also seems like a novel new legal category that has been inadequately explored, if it is indeed the lynchpin of this case.
So if a commercial regulation impacts my First Amendment rights, but my core business isn’t expressive, I don’t have standing for a pre-enforcement challenge? That would certainly take care of my zoning hypothetical.
I'd have a hard time defining "core business" though. Take Apple. It certainly engages in a lot of expression, but is that its core business? And why does it matter constitutionally?
I will admit I do not quite have my head around the contours of pre-enforcement challenges. I was speaking less about the justiciability and more about the merits.
I think that's what the cases about creative endeavors versus mere manufacture have been getting at.
Wedding photography and website design have protection. Pick-a-cake-from-a-catalogue does not.
Take Apple. It certainly engages in a lot of expression, but is that its core business?
Core does not mean only. The Disney part of Apple is expression. The making computers wouldn't be. It's a facts-based inquiry.
To be fair, I don't think the Court has really laid this out, but I think that's the clear trajectory.
Wait, what?
Not yet, anyway.
Apple in Talks to Purchase Significant Portion of Disney
It's a hopeless cause, but I think what this analysis gets wrong is the failure to acknowledge that a website designer offering their services for hire is not speaking in their personal capacity; they are, rather, "speaking" as an agent of the principal who hires them.
No wedding-planner hires a website designer (or photographer, or baker, etc.) for the designer's own views about the planner's wedding. The announcement that the designer puts together is the planner's announcement. The planner decides the content, and generally or specifically approves and controls every aspect of how it's presented (if they don't like the designer's product and the designer is unwilling to make changes - it just isn't used). The planner may have a legitimate free speech interest in the website. The designer does not.
This consideration is distinct from the "for-hire" nature of the work, and Hurley is clearly distinguishable. The "expressive" role of a parade organizer is in generally deciding which participants to include, the general theme, etc. The parade organizer is more like the wedding-planner than the website-designer, in 303 Creative, in that respect.
You’re fighting the facts of the case, but even if you were right, that is not relevant. The 1A prohibition on compelled speech does not turn on who originally authored the speech. Again: Wooley v. Maynard. Miami Herald Publishing v. Tornillo.
If you were right, then Smith has a First Amendment to turn away a same-sex marriage even though little or no customization occurred (e.g., Smith just fills in the name of the couple). I'm with Dale Carpenter in thinking that is wrong.
The 303 Creative case does not resolve that issue one way or the other. But what's the rebuttal to Wooley v. Maynard?
The only half-hearted attempt I've seen to explain why that case doesn't hold all compelled speech to be illegal is that in Wooley, the government actually composed the specific message, whereas in other cases, the government is "merely" compelling people to speak whatever message customers want. But why should that matter? If anything, in Wooley it was far more obvious that it was not their message — nobody thinks that everyone sporting a NH license plate believes it — but the Maynards still could not be compelled. Also, Tornillo was the latter scenario — the government wasn't composing the specific message — but it was still unconstitutional compelled speech.
If the fill-in-the-blank case comes out differently than 303 Creative, it seems to me that it has to do so based on satisfying strict scrutiny rather than because it's not the blank-filler-inner's message.
The Court distinguished cases in which a person must speak the government's message versus hosting someone else's message in Rumsfeld v. FAIR:
Thus when a person is required to speak the government's message, it doesn't matter that people know it's not their message. It's per se verboten. In contrast with hosting a third party's message, it's not permitted only when the host's message is affected (as it was in Tornillo by squeezing out space for the Herald's preferred messages).
I used to agree with SimonP that customizing didn't affect the host's message. But, I have come around to believe the creative work involved in customization results in more than just speaking as an agent. However, I don't think filling in a template affects the host's message.
Well, a guy out in a field picking somebody else's cotton isn't picking cotton in their personal capacity, they're just doing it as an agent of the principal who hires them.
So I guess it's OK to force people to pick cotton.
Do people have the right to publish a newspaper or magazine for profit, in which they express their opinion?
How about an online blog that does the same (e.g,, subscription or advertising)?
That may get into press freedoms as distinct from speech. But custom wedding website design doesn't strike me as a "press" activity. I could be wrong about that, but I also don't think press freedoms were part of the logic of 303 Creative.
Don't take your First Amendment advice from a certain crank on this board.
There is no substantive legal difference between the press and speech clauses in the 1A. They are just viewed as different modes of communicating.
Don’t be retarded. There’s a reason we need both clauses. Freedom of the press generally covers the means of speaking, aka publishing. Freedom of speech generally covers the content itself.
They fit together so nicely that yes, for the most part they get treated as a single freedom of expression. In practically any actual expressive situation, there’s the content and the means, implicating both speech and press.
But some cases really center on one or the other. NYT, for example, was all about freedom of the press. The "speaker," i.e. the author of the Pentagon Papers, wasn't involved.
Anyway, I’m assuming your point here is that all the various means of speaking (or “modes of communication” in your terms) are equally protected, so if you have a First Amendment right to publish a newspaper for profit, you also have a First Amendment right to create custom wedding websites for profit. Is that true? I don’t know. The 303 Creative opinion doesn’t say so explicitly, as far as I can recall.
That's because there's no need to, because (as Ridgeway alludes to), everyone except Lathrop already understands that speech and press claims are evaluated virtually identically.
"That may get into press freedoms as distinct from speech."
Why? Just because you have a right to publish a newspaper doesn't mean that you have a right to run a newspaper publishing business, according to you.
And I suppose you think that DeSantis could ban CRT in private schools? After all, you don't have the right to run a private schools as a business, or I suppose to earn a salary as a private school teacher, right?
This is a conversation about standing. I certainly think 303 Creative came to the right result on the merits (mostly).
If DeSantis banned CRT in private schools, I sort of doubt that a random Floridian coming to court saying “I really want to open a private school but for this CRT ban” is an appropriate way to challenge it. But maybe it is. It just seems new to me, I don’t know of any prior cases that got to standing that way.
You have to show more imminence than "I really want to," so a random Floridian cannot. But a Floridian who is about to open a school that teaches CRT — and can show that it's likely the law would be enforced — can bring such a claim.
Not sure what the distinction is between "I really want to" and "I'm about to." Care to elucidate?
Could Smith have simply published her intent not to serve same-sex weddings, thus creating a controversy (assuming Colorado would have initiated a case against her)?
I don’t see why not. Even if she published her intent insincerely (ie either she had no intent to start on a wedding business, or if she did but would serve same sex marriages) she would still be being punished for what she said. (And if I understood the above correctly, she wouldn’t even need to publish. She would just need to be able to claim that a reasonable fear of prosecution had deterred her from publishing.)
It’s amusing to consider what would be the case if the Colorado law contained the Communication Clause, but not the Accommodation Clause. ie you can decline to serve same sex weddings, but you can’t advertise that in advance. In that case wouldn’t it be clear that the prohibition was a prohibition on the content of pure speech ?
I found the arguments above fairly persuasive (but what would I know ?) My main doubt arose from the vehemence with which they were expressed. I’m always a bit suspicious of vehemence. If you’re right, you’re right in a whisper too.
Interestingly, federal and state fair housing laws generally prohibit the advertisement of discrimination based on a protected classes, *even when the discrimination itself is permissible*. An example would be discriminating based on the sex or religion of an applicant for a shared living space.
Essentially, liberty is a consistent system, and once you admit one exception to it, that exception tends to break the whole system down. Having decided that the government could prohibit private discrimination, despite the 14t amendment expressly applying only to states, the violation of general principle erodes expressly guaranteed liberties. Here, freedom of speech.
Once again your idealism is way overtuned. Reality is not a consistent system; appealing to consistency is as orthogonal to actual political realities as appealing to aesthetics.
To show how fact-independent your argument is, I once again analogize it to a young dunderheaded communist:
"Essentially, socialisms is a consistent system, and once you admit one exception to it, that exception tends to break the whole system down."
Reality is exactly always a consistent system. ALWAYS.
It's people who are inconsistent, because some of us fail at being consistent, and others of us don't even aspire to it.
What I'm pointing out here is that once you compromise liberty in one area, that area tends to be used as a lever to compromise liberty in other areas.
Not because it's impossible to refuse to take that step. Because the decisions are being made by people who want to compromise liberty in the first place, and they're not going to refrain from picking up any club the courts hand them.
Not sure liberty counts as a system. I accept that the justification of liberty in realm A is going to look quite a bit like the justification for liberty in realm B. And in practice if the government gets into the habit of restricting liberty in realms B, E, F, J and M, it’ll probably get a taste for extending that into other realms.
But conceptually it’s easy enough to conceive of complete liberty to grow and trade in potatoes, while ferocious regulation applies to the cultivation of turnips.
Sure, it's easy enough to conceive of that. Meanwhile, the control freaks ferociously regulating the cultivation of turnips will declare that potatoes and turnips compete with each other in the market, so that regulation of turnips can't be totally effective without regulating potatoes, too.
How can you 100% regulate turnips if you can't require potatoes to be individually labeled "Not a turnip"? The two might get confused! And to prevent fraudulent "not a turnip" labeling, the potatoes have to be inspected. And you have to pay for the "Not a turnip" inspectors, so a tax on potatoes is only natural, N&P to the regulation of turnips.
Isn't this the sort of reasoning behind the power to regulate interstate commerce meaning that the government can regulate the veggies you grow in your backyard garden?
Easy to say when you're not the one on the hook for the penalties.
I think the maximum penalty is $500, and that assumes a private party sues. If Colorado brings a case, only a cease and desist order results.
Right. This case is applying principles that were developed to deal with issues involving serious chill, to allow a lawsuit by someone facing no chill at all but who probably has other reasons to bring a hypothetical challenge (such as the fact that if she or anyone else violated the statute and an action was brought against them, the State of Colorado would be able to develop an evidentiary record that the defendant was in fact homophobic and didn’t want to serve gays rather than simply wanting to express an objection to gay marriage specifically and narrowly).
Keeping this case purely hypothetical was a crucial litigation goal of the plaintiffs.
Good point. Additionally, the evidentiary record might have flushed out exactly what Smith was not willing to do. For example, if she would not fill in the names of a same-sex couple in a template, the result might have been different.
1) I think you mean fleshed out.
2) For whatever inexplicable reason, the state of Colorado stipulated as to the facts of what she would and wouldn’t do. (Specifically, she does not offer templates.)
I’m not religious myself, but it never ceases to amaze me how clueless the enthusiastically ungodly are about the godly.
It really is beyond your power to imagine that a religious person might object to participating - in some way - in a same sex wedding, without minding at all about selling muffins to gay folk.
The religious objection just has to be insincere.
"the State of Colorado would be able to develop an evidentiary record that the defendant was in fact homophobic and didn’t want to serve gays rather than simply wanting to express an objection to gay marriage specifically and narrowly)."
Huh? How would help Colorado? I would image that people who don't want to serve gays would also not want to promote gay weddings.
I was unaware there was a "homophobe" exception to the first amendment.
Even if that were actually true — and it's really just what you want to be true — how would that be legally relevant? Her motives for her decisions about her speech are irrelevant to her speech rights.
I believe Dale Carpenter argued she should not have a First Amendment right to refuse to provide website services to gay people. She has to object to the message, not the person, in order for the compelled speech doctrine to kick in. That seems right to me because she isn't being forced to say anything she doesn't want to when she refuses service because the would-be client is gay.
That is correct. She has to object to the message, not the person. But the (hypothetical) fact that she objects to the person does not, contra Dilan, take away her 1A shield if she also objects to the message.
Would you please give the dissent a try? The theory is that if the appeal to free speech is pretextual, as here, then it doesn't count. No need for the court to entertain a lie.
I don't think the appeal to freedom of speech was pretextual in Smith's case, but perhaps you were limiting your comment to Dilan's hypothetical.
But the appeal to free speech isn't pretextual; nobody thinks, "Well, she hates gays but she doesn't object to promoting gay marriage with her speech." She does object to the message even if she also is a bigot.
She is a bigot.
Bigots have rights, too.
But I think that's the point of the standing problems. We never got a really good picture of how pretextual she was being. It sure seems pretextual to have brought this very anti-gay suit in the first place. It doesn't seem like she has any intent of doing wedding websites at all. And, her stated rationale doesn't align well with her position. Why is she so worried about gays as opposed to all the other kinds of un-Christian marriages?
In a real case, with actual rather than stipulated facts, it would be easier to discern the opportunistic fakers from the conscientious objectors.
You can surely argue, as Gorsuch did, that being an opportunistic faker doesn't matter in the free speech context. But that doesn't mean that she's not an opportunistic faker.
Years ago when many states still had (and sporadically enforced) sodomy statutes, gay rights activist Frank Kameny would write letters to law enforcement officials telling them that he would be engaging in an act of sodomy on such and such time and place, and dare them to show up and arrest him. When they didn't, he would then call a press conference to talk about the hypocrisy of having these laws that were mostly ignored. I mean, if you're going to give law enforcement advance notice that you're planning to break the law, and they can't be bothered to show up, that's a pretty good indication of just how important the law is.
But would his announced intention to violate the law have given him standing to challenge it? I don't think so. That's why the gay rights movement had to wait until someone had actually been arrested for sodomy before they could sue, at least in federal court.
Yes… but that wouldn't get the result wanted. Setting aside the desire for a pre-enforcement challenge, it would not give Smith standing to challenge the accommodation portion. And on the merits, if the accommodation portion is constitutional, then the communication provision also is. (A business cannot evade the CRA or state equivalents by claiming a 1A right to advertise that it doesn't serve X group, if it's illegal to not serve X group.)
Don't your second and third sentence contradict the first? If the Communication provision's constitutionality is dependent upon the Constitutionality of the Accommodation provision, then challenging the former is the same as challenging the latter.
If the First Amendment grants her the right to violate the latter, then she also has the right to announce that she intends to do so to the world. And if not, not.
So I don't see how you can challenge one without the other.
Hypothetical. A religious school has the right, under the ministerial exception, to discriminate on religious grounds for hiring religious teachers, notwithstanding anti-discrimination laws. The school likewise has the right to advertise that it will only hire religious teachers for those positions. The legality of the two are intertwined.
I agree with Bored Lawyer. Since whether the Communications Clause is unconstitutional as applied to Smith depends entirely on whether the Accommodations Clause is likewise unconstitutional, it strikes me if you have standing on the former, you have standing on the latter.
And just a small note for Bored Lawyer: Title VII expressly permits discrimination by religious organizations on the basis of religion in the hiring of anyone (even janitors). The ministerial exception permits discrimination on the basis of any classification in the hiring of “ministers.”
She could make her views on marriage plain and obvious on the website’s main page, which afaik still doesn’t exist. Something like “I believe marriage is exclusively between a man and a woman.”
Cope.
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https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Cope%20and%20seethe
"Cope: denial of often harsh truths" is the correct entry.
Professor Post, all of South Jersey (but especially Commenter_XY) wonders when you will be coming to the area. 🙂
It seems relevant to this layman that Colorado has a recent history of aggressive enforcement of these laws.
Agressive enforcement? The 303 Creative plaintiffs identified only four similar cases, three of which ended with a "no probable cause" finding. 303 Creative LLC v. Elenis, 6 F.4th 1160, 1174 (10th Cir. 2021). (The Tenth Circuit nevertheless found the plaintiffs had a credible fear of enforcement.)
How many people were refusing to serve gays?
BTW, I never got an answer to my question about Colorado law. The Colorado authorities took the position that they could do no enforcement until a same-sex couple tried to hire 303 Creative, were rebuffed and then complained. That does not sound right to me.
Any insight on how accurate that is?
Probably true that they need a complainant, but Colorado seems to have a vigorous volunteer complainant cohort.
Colorado presumably does not require any actual customer to prosecute a violation of the Communication Clause.
I couldn’t get past the part where the pretextual and likely phony September 16, 2016 is treated as an actual event that happened.
If you mean the September 21, 2016 message from Stewart, note that the panel majority (which ultimately ruled against 303 Creative, but found that standing was present) didn't rely on the message. Likewise, neither the majority nor the dissent at the Supreme Court relied on the message (likely because neither 303 Creative nor the state nor the federal government challenged the panel's standing conclusion). Who sent the message and why might be an interesting mystery, but the decision as to standing didn't turn on that question.
No discussion of this issue should ignore the point that Lorie Smith is a gullible bigot (and, apparently, proud of it).
Fascinating.
Are you in love with her?
I love that she will be replaced by a better (reality-based, inclusive, modern) American.
Did anyone ever check the IP logs to see where the request from "Stewart" really came from?
It may have been a random legal prankster, or it may have been someone intimately connected with the case attempting to fabricate evidence.
The fact that her attorneys largely ignored it indicates her attorneys knew better than to try building a case on it or to look too closely in general.