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Legacy Preferences, Citizenship, Migration, and the Implications of a Constitutional Ban on Hereditary Privilege
Some scholars and commentators argue that legacy preferences at public universities are unconstitutional because they are a form of hereditary privilege. If so, the same is likely true of the far more consequential hereditary privilege of citizenship that severely restricts the right to live and work in the United States.
In my last post about legacy preferences in higher education, I argued for their abolition, but expressed skepticism about claims that they are illegal under current civil rights laws. I still think they are likely legal under current precedent. But it's worth noting that scholars and legal commentators such as Indiana University law professor Gerard Magliocca and my Cato Institute colleague Thomas Berry have put forward strong arguments that legacy preferences at public institutions are banned by the Fourteenth Amendment. The key idea is that state-created hereditary privileges are at least presumptively forbidden.
I have previously mentioned Prof. Carlton Larson's 2006 article arguing that legacy preferences violate the Constitution's prohibition on titles of nobility.
I am not fully convinced these arguments are right. But if they are, the principle has potentially radical implications for other policies, particularly the hereditary aristocracy of citizenship, under which the rights to live and work in the United States are largely reserved for children of US citizens and those who had the good fortune to be born on US soil.
Here's Berry:
Legacy preferences at public universities violate the 14th Amendment for a simple reason: They discriminate between applicants on the basis of an "accident of birth," namely the identity and alumni status of the applicant's parents. The history of the 14th Amendment shows that it was understood to put an end to this type of state discrimination based on parentage at the time of its adoption….
Representative John Bingham was the primary drafter of Section 1 of the amendment, which guarantees both "the equal protection of the laws" and respect for the "privileges or immunities" of citizens. Bingham had previously praised the Constitution's ban on any "Title of Nobility" as signaling that "all are equal under the Constitution" and that "no distinctions should be tolerated, except those which merit originates." Bingham also noted that the Fifth Amendment furthered this republican value by guaranteeing "Due Process" of the law to all persons, with "no distinction either on account of complexion or birth." One of Bingham's core motivations for drafting the 14th Amendment was to extend these principles to state governments and ensure that state laws would "be no respecter of persons."
Senator Charles Sumner, another key proponent of the 14th Amendment, had cited the Constitution's guarantee of a "Republican Form of Government" as support for a Senate resolution banning any "Oligarchy, Aristocracy, Caste, or Monopoly." Sumner had also condemned discrimination against foreigners, because it was based on "the accident of birth."
Berry cites additional original-meaning evidence, as well. And there is much more in this 2009 law journal article by Steve Shadowen, Sozi Tulante, and Shara Alpern, on which Berry in part relies.
Magliocca's Prawfsblawg post focuses on the Supreme Court's 1947 decision in Kotch v. Board of River Port Pilot Commissioners, which narrowly upheld a Louisiana law that had the effect of restricting some types of pilot licenses to relatives of current pilots. But the Court suggested other state-granted hereditary privileges might well be unconstitutional:
Louisiana required that ships entering New Orleans port and the Mississippi have a local licensed pilot to avoid shallow water and underwater obstacles. (This is a longstanding rule for maritime commerce.) State law provided neutral criteria for getting a pilot license that included an apprenticeship, but in practice pilots would almost always take only their relatives as pilot apprentices. Some wannabe pilots who could not get a license challenged this practice on equal protection grounds.
The Supreme Court (in 1947) rejected this claim by a 5-4 vote. Justice Black wrote for the Court and leaned heavily on the idea that pilot regulation was a traditional state function and that pilotage was "a unique institution and must be judged as such." Basically, he said that a pilot needed local knowledge and that this need for personalized knowledge was (or could be) rationally related to picking mainly relatives of existing pilots. The Court went out of its way, though, to say that this deference might not apply to other professions or business that used family ties to make selections.
Justice Rutledge dissented and said: "The result of the decision therefore is to approve as constitutional state regulation which makes admission to the ranks of pilots turn finally on consanguinity. Blood is, in effect, made the crux of selection. That, in my opinion, is forbidden by the Fourteenth Amendment's guaranty against denial of the equal protection of the laws. The door is thereby closed to all not having blood relationship to presently licensed pilots." He added: "The discrimination here is not shown to be consciously racial in character. But I am unable to differentiate in effects one founded on blood relationship."
If any of these arguments is valid, it obviously can't be limited to legacy preferences, but must also apply to other state-created hereditary privileges. By far the most significant of these is what I have called the hereditary aristocracy of citizenship. Under this longstanding legal regime - which most of us take for granted - only those lucky enough to have a US-citizen parent or be born on American soil have a presumptive right to live and work in the United States. For almost everyone else, that right is only available if the federal government chooses to grant it. And, for the vast majority of would-be immigrants, there is little or no chance of ever getting it (especially those who lack close family ties to current US citizens).
Of course a small percentage of would-be immigrants attain citizenship or permanent resident status through pathways made available at the discretion of the federal government. But that no more eliminates the hereditary privilege of citizenship than traditional hereditary aristocracy was eliminated by virtue of the fact that kings would occasionally elevate a commoner to the nobility. The same point applies to arguments that immigration restrictions aren't really based on heredity, because people can sometimes overcome them by meeting occupational requirements and the like. So long as similar requirements aren't imposed on the native-born, hereditary privilege is still very much present. Moreover, such work visas are extremely difficult or impossible to get, even for most who meet the relevant qualifications.
The aristocracy of citizenship is a form of hereditary privilege with far more dire consequences than being disadvantaged in admissions to selective universities. Many of those excluded by the hereditary privilege of citizenship are thereby consigned to a lifetime of oppression and poverty in their countries of origin. And they end up in this situation largely because of "accident of birth," as Charles Sumner put it in a speech quoted in Berry's article. There are also severe consequences for current US citizens, who are denied the economic and social benefits of interacting with migrants.
If the Constitution categorically - or even presumptively - bans state-imposed hereditary privileges, than the privileges associated with citizenship cannot be excluded. Indeed, they are a vastly more egregious case than legacy preferences at state universities.
One possible response to this argument is that birthright citizenship is itself required by the Constitution, in Section 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment, which grants citizenship to all persons "born … in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof." This provision was, of course, enacted in response to the notorious passages in the 1857 Dred Scott ruling, which held that blacks could not be citizens of the United States.
But, while the Citizenship Clause requires the government to grant citizenship to people born in the United States, it does not require denying it to would-be immigrants. Still less does it require denying the latter the right to live and work in the United States. These rights could potentially be decoupled from citizenship and presumptively granted to anyone willing to come and exercise them, subject to nondiscriminatory constraints (e.g. - restrictions on espionage, terrorism, and the like). Access to citizenship could also be liberalized in a variety of ways.
Moreover, current law goes beyond birthright citizenship (granting citizenship to all born on US soil) by also granting citizenship to all children of US citizens, regardless of place of birth. But even if the grant was limited to those born on US soil, it still makes vital rights dependent on an arbitrary "accident of birth," one in most cases only attainable by being born to a US citizen.
Another possible justification for treating citizenship rules differently from other hereditary privileges is that the relevant text of the Fourteenth Amendment applies only to state governments, while citizenship and immigration law is largely federal. However, the Supreme Court has long held that the Equal Protection Clause's nondiscrimination requirements apply to the federal government, as well - a principle established in the Court's famous 1954 ruling in Bolling v. Sharpe, which struck down racial segregation in public schools in the District of Columbia, despite the fact that DC is a federal territory, not a state. While Bolling has been criticized by some originalists, few are willing to advocate its reversal and thereby give the federal government a blank check to engage in racial and ethnic discrimination.
If, as Carlton Larson argues, the constitutional case against legacy preferences rests on the Titles of Nobility Clause rather than the 14th Amendment, then it indisputably applies to the federal government - and thus to immigration and citizenship law. Larson suggests, in his article, that there are special justifications for granting citizenship to children of US citizens born abroad because it "would be absurd to suggest that the United States could not grant citizenship to this narrow category without also granting it to every other inhabitant of the globe." But it's far from absurd to suggest that people not lucky enough to be born in the US or children of US citizens, should not be presumptively barred from living and working here, if they wish. Similarly, it's not absurd to suggest that they be allowed a path to citizenship that isn't virtually unattainable for the vast majority of those who might want it. There is a major difference between automatically granting citizenship to vast numbers of foreign-born people who, in most cases, don't even want it (which would indeed be absurd), and eliminating heredity-based bans on living and working in the United States for those who very much do want it.
It could also be argued that the ban on hereditary privilege only applies to people who are already members of the society, which immigrants (by assumption) are not. But nothing in the text of the Titles of Nobility Clause or the relevant provisions of the Fourteenth Amendment (most obviously, the Equal Protection Clause, which protects all "persons") is limited to current members of society or to current US citizens. It's also not clear why "membership" can justly be restricted based on heredity, while other legal rights cannot.
If the ban on hereditary privilege is merely presumptive (subject to something like the "strict scrutiny" applied to racial and ethnic discrimination), rather than absolute, then perhaps some immigration restrictions could be preserved in situations where they are the only way to prevent great harm. I discuss possible scenarios of this type (and various strategies for addressing them) in Chapter 6 of my book Free to Move: Foot Voting, Migration, and Political Freedom.
But even if some heredity-based migration restrictions could pass strict scrutiny in extreme situations, the vast majority likely cannot. At the very least, the federal government would have to meet a heavy burden of proof to justify them.
The hereditary aristocracy of citizenship isn't going to be eliminated anytime soon. But if we truly believe state-mandated hereditary privilege is unconstitutional and unjust, we cannot give a pass to what is by far the most significant example of such privilege in modern America. I summarized some of what can be done to mitigate its impact here. Broadly speaking, we should pursue a combination of expanding access to citizenship and reducing the the extent to which citizen status determines where people are allowed live and work.
If nothing else, when we consider the issue of state-created hereditary privilege in our society, we should stop turning a blind eye to what is by far the biggest example of it.
UPDATE: For those interested, elsewhere I have addressed the related, but distinct issue of whether governments may restrict immigration because nations are analogous to private houses or clubs. I cover this in greater detail in Chapter 5 of my book Free to Move.
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Great idea on college admissions and citizenship.
Now do inheritance of other valuable things, like all other assets.
Would everything go to the state upon death?
Stop giving them ideas.
Heck, do away with private and personal property. Everything is owned by the state. Property is issued to people as needed. But then you end up with a hidden aristocracy of bureaucrats that decide the allocation of property.
I did not mean to flag this comment. Please disregard.
Yeah. I don’t understand. Thr American dream is to provide your kids a better life than you had.
WTF.
I rarely see anybody actually defending legacy admissions...indeed it seems to be an area of broad consensus. Seems like Congress should just be able to knock that one out.
The thing with getting rid of legacy admissions is that colleges (likely rightly) fear it would result in a big drop in donations, as wealthy alums don't see anything in return for their donations.
Especially for colleges with smaller endowments (which includes a lot of public schools), that could be a real problem.
Who cares?
They could just sell admissions slots outright, rather than launder it thorough a "well, if you're an alumnus, we'll assume you give us money, so . . ." preference for "legacies".
Of course, that would require them to be actually honest, a feat that university administrators apparently are congenitally incapable of performing.
Federalize ALL THE THINGS!
How about Congress minding it's own effing business.
And how many of them were "Legacy" admissions? And besides, what would Animal House have been if Flounder hadn't got in at Faber??
Damn it!
I knew I should have put money down that you were going to bring up Flounder.
Knowledge is Good!
Right, of course.
If something is a bad or unpopular idea, then let's make it illegal! At the federal level!
Unconstitutional, even!
Alumni/Development units within universities and people with children who want them to attend their high-demand alma mater are generally the folks that defend legacy admissions because they have a lot to gain from it. These folks may be rare in relation to the average state school but when you start looking at the Ivies and similar schools, it becomes a lot more common. Schools like Harvard use these connections to generate and maintain massive endowments.
Ivies and similar schools, it becomes a lot more common. Schools like Harvard use these connections to generate and maintain massive endowments.
ALL TRUE, add those facts to, "its not what you know, its who you know", the legacies double down. Going to school with the kid who's dad is CEO of Chase Manhattan, is a big leg up on networking.
Its not Ivy league, but my buddies kid was in a couple of classes with the owner of Kum &Go. The kid now buys all the fuel for Kum & Go, they go to their college Alma mater away football games, in the company jet
Legacy admissions may be a bad idea but that doesn't mean Congress can simply outlaw them. The federal government is limited to the enumerated powers in the Constitution. Which of those specifically do you think give Congress the authority to tell State-run schools what to do in this context?
Are you hanging your hat on the "titles of nobility" argument in the article above? If so, you're likely going to lose.
IANAL. Legacy admissions are largely in the news as a response to the recent Supreme Court ruling banning race-based diversity admissions programs. The claim is that legacy admissions are, in effect, a majority-white race-based admission program and should be abolished according to the same principle. Regardless of whether that follows legally, legacy admissions for schools with low admission ratios (aka: high demand schools) are primarily white students not all of whom ranked higher than non-admitted applicants. One might say that race is outright prohibited while "legacy" status is not, though in effect the result is largely admissions for white students. It's a similar ploy as the old "grandfather clause" which was race-neutral on its face but had a disproportionate impact on excluding non-white voters. Or, for a far more local example, it's the same sort of trick that a lot of conservative VC commenters are prophesizing that universities will pick up to continue race-based admissions preferences after the recent USSC decision. They could, by example, give preferences for students from specific zip codes, set aside guaranteed slots for the top x% from regional high schools, drop SAT/ACT scores (SAT/ACT scores correlate with income), create transfer programs with certain community colleges, or a dozen other means to proxy race via household income.
Congress, OTOH, can limit legacy admissions as a condition of Federal financial aid dollars. State-run schools can choose to decline the financial aid income, or course, but in practice very few can afford to.
Congress could tie a no-legacy policy to federal funding.
Next these people will argue it’s unconstitutional to have the privilege of merit, or the privilege of desire to achieve, or the privilege of success.
What is your achievement if not an accident of birth? If you were born into a different family under different circumstances, you wouldn’t thrive.
Your attitudes about work, and achievement, and you desire to perform are also an accident of birth. They are learned preferences trained into you by your accidentally-born-to parents.
Doing well, being successful and being smart is also unconstitutional aristocracy. Why should you get a mansion and wealth because of your accident of birth but some other downtrodden person born somewhere else, in another country even, be denied the same? Why should your children inherit your privilege because they were accidentally born to you?
That’s unconstitutional discrimination. Therefore, the only action that’s constitutional is to confiscate all property and redistribute it equally among every human on earth. And to do this on a continual basis for Equity Justice.
Of course, the constitution exempts the elites in government, because they have to be able to decide who gets what and distribute it.
Even a broken record is right twice a day... But not Somin.
You're thinking of a broken clock. A broken record is just broken.
But Somin is making a very strong case for a "Read Less" button on the main page of the blog.
Second that.
Just skip the article then, geniuses. No one cares about your lame insults.
Yet you felt fit to comment. You could take your own advice and skip these comments.
There is good, substantive commentary here. It is annoying to have to sift through the dross to get it.
The Constitution was ordained and established by the People of the United States, for “ourselves and our Posterity.” The Constitution, by its text, is a creature of the People. And their Posterity. It is somewhat a creature of the States too, but definitely the People. And their Posterity. The capital P is intended.
Professor Somin is not merely asserting that posterity can be taken out of the picture by an amendment. He is asserting that the existing constitution can somehow be interpreted to contain penumbras and emanations take a plainly and clearly stated purpose of the constitution. preserving our Republic and the blessings of Liberty for our posterity, completely out of the picture. He believes this purpose is unjust. And because it is (in his view) unjust, it must be unconstitutional, text be damned.
The issue is exactly the one raised by Justice McReynolds in Pierce v. Society of Sisters. Plato in his Republic imagined a completely malleable populace, mere creatures of the state, a world where the state and only the state determined who would breed with whom and who would inherit what. In Plato’s world people have no life outside the state; their children, if they are even permitted to know who they are, are to be treated no differently from anyone else’s children. The absolute state is everyone’s father and mother, the source of everyone’s inheritence.
But the United States of America is not the absolute and total state Plato and Professor Somin envision. It is a creature of the People, not their lord and master. It is ordained and wstablished by them, not the other way around. The People ordained and established the Constitution, and did so not just for themselves, but for their posterity.
Professor Somin may think that unfair of not the way to run a just society. As Justice MacReynolds noted, many grest thinkers took Plato’s view on what Justice means.
But the framers of our Constitution did not take Plato’s view of Justiceon this point. Or Professor Somin’s. Under our Constitution, the State cannot take the People’s posterity away from them, nor prohibit them from passing on their rights and freedoms to tbem, as the Preamble says.
I’m not saying state universities can’t or shouldn’t abolish legacy admissions. But citizenship is a radically different matter. Even apart from the 14th Anendment, this country cannot abolish inheritance of citizenship for children born to citizens in this country.
Forget the Constitution’s Preamble.
It is does not have an "operative" function and has been trashed and permanently disregarded just like the beginning of 2A.
You're a fucking idiot. The militia clause is intended and was never intended to allow government regulation.
"Well regulated" by whom then?
It meant "well functioning" you moron.
does it matter? I mean, in a vague sense, yes, but it doesn't read "a well regulated militia... the right to keep and bear arms may be infringed"
The only command/requirement is a restriction on power.
"Professor Somin is not merely asserting that posterity can be taken out of the picture..."
He is asserting no such thing. He very clearly stated that he does NOT find these arguments persuasive, but that IF these arguments become accepted as regards legacy admissions, they also would apply to immigration restrictions.
Which is not only a stretch, but a canyon. The two have almost zero to do with each other, but Somin found a way to put his pet peeve into the article.
The point is of course he feels that way, or he wouldn’t have brought it up. Your reading comprehension isn’t up to par.
No, the point is that he doesn't find the reasoning persuasive, but people who do should consider what may be an unintended consequence, in his opinion. He may be wrong about that, but he clearly isn't advocating this position, or saying "he feels that way."
I am dubious that legacy admissions violate the Equal Protection Clause. But the argument that therefore immigration restrictions are also unconstitutional is truly laughable.
Here is the quote from the article:
See those emphasized two words at the end? Equal Protection is for citizens. Like native-born blacks who had been guaranteed all rights of citizenship by the very same Fourteenth Amendment that contains the Equal Protection Clause.
Prof. Somin has an obsession with open borders, and every issue that comes along he views as a hammer for that nail. Nothing in the Constitution requires them, nor does anything in the Constitution require that non-citizens be given the same rights as citizens.
And, for that matter, citizenship is not purely hereditary. Many can and do become citizens by legally immigrating to this country and then after 5 year applying for citizenship.
He wants to take away inheritence of citizenship, so that the government can decide that children of citizens aren’t. He thinks citizenship has to be based on criteria that he, in his sole and totalitarian imagination, think fair.
"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
EP and due process go to "persons", P&I to citizens. It's right there in the text. So, no, EP isn't just for citizens, a state can't pass a law saying murder is illegal, except for tourists.
It's to any person "within its jurisdiction."
Non-citizens outside the US are not.
You also have to harmonize that with the first clause, which clearly DOES apply only to citizens. The right to work, or to vote, are privileges and immunities. It's clear in the text that citizens have rights that non-citizens don't.
Given that the EP clause was primarily meant to outlaw racial discrimination, its application to non-citizens is far-fetched.
I agree about non-citizens outside the US.
The EP clause was mostly intended to outlaw, essentially, outlawry, placing some people outside the protection of criminal law so that they could be preyed upon without legal consequence. While it was primarily about blacks, they certainly didn't mean for non-citizens in the US to be fair game.
But it's way beyond criminal law. It would be contrary to the EP Clause to provide public schools for whites but not blacks. Which is what the District of Columbia was doing when Congress remedied that after the Civil War.
Does that mean that non-citizens are entitled to a public education? I don't think so. (I know the Supreme Court held otherwise, at least as to grade schools, in the early 70s.)
For that matter, many state universities and colleges offer lower tuition rates to in-state residents than to out-of-state residents, even where the latter are citizens. Does that violate the EP Clause?
The rationale, for what it’s worth, is that the EP, like the rest of the 14th Amendment, applies only to states. The Supreme Court has said the Due Process Clause has an “equal protection component,” but there are differences. The handling of non-citizens is the biggest. States are subject to strict scrutiny. But the federal government is only subject to rational basis. And on some matters, like who to admit into the country, it has plenary, unreviewable power.
OK, now you've just swerved off into sheer insanity.
You actually have a fairly strong case for legacy at public schools. I'll give you that much.
But the privilege of being a citizen just because you're born here? That is right in the Constitution, in black and white plain language. And it was even written in after the nobility clause, so if there was a conflict, the nobility clause would automatically lose!
Indeed, you acknowledge this, and then go on as though you hadn't just eviscerated your own argument! That left me shocked, even for you that was a bit much.
Look, I have some pretty extreme views myself, so I sympathize. But I'm at least self aware enough to understand that I AM an extremist, and that I will never plausibly get my way on them. You seem to not understand just how far away from the existing consensus your views on citizenship are, how radically unlikely they ever are to be implemented so long as the US is an even slightly functional democracy.
You're not winning anybody over. You're just shouting into the wind at this point.
"You actually have a fairly strong case for legacy at public schools. "
No he doesn't. "Title of Nobility" means "Title of Nobility", nothing else.
Another "trillion dollar coin" stupid argument.
You think they can grant titles of nobility as long as they don't call them that? Titles of nobility are heritable privileges, that's all they are, and legacies at public schools, and ONLY public schools, arguably qualify as such.
Why would non-public schools that take federal funds be exclude from this?
The 14th Amendment does not constrain them.
They wouldn't be, if Congress wrote a statute to subject them to it.
Is that how all these other federal rules are being applied to these non-public schools? Congress is pressing them forward?
I thought it was implied baggage with the acceptance of Federal funds, and that was why places like Hillsdale refuse to accept any.
Thanks for the clarification.
No, it's explicit baggage, written into Title IX.
A college admission has no indices of "nobility". It doesn't only descend to the eldest child and has zero "privileges" outside possible admission.
Its not 100% inheritable either. As I said below, a legacy with a bottom 10th percentile SAT and a D GPA is still not getting into a selective college.
I think there’s a serious argument that legacy university admissions have some analogy to legacy (“grandfather”) voting clauses. There is a serious argument public school legacy admissions are unconstitutional, and the political argument for abolishing them is even more serious.
I see inherited citizenship as totally different.
I agree. Should public universities be granting privileges based on one's ancestry? Seems like something worth talking about.
In fact, I think the Supreme court said something about it a couple weeks ago, didn't they? (Race being heritable, and all...)
That's what I was going to talk about. These are all longshot legal theories, obviously, but the one with most bite is that this is analogous to a grandfather clause in voting.
A "grandfather clause in voting" was used to keep blacks from voting. That is why it violated equal protection. Blacks can be legacies, its been two generations of blacks attending most colleges now.
A white legacy with a bottom 10th percentile SAT and a D GPA is still not getting into a selective college.
Definitely agreeing with BB here and even go a little farther and say the constitutional citizenship is because you were born here (jus soli) - REGARDLESS of who your parents are.
Who you are born to (jus sanguine), is authorized by law not the Constitution and - I suppose - someone could argue that has a 'nobility' aspect.
Yes, you could argue that. I don't think it's going anywhere, but it's not as bad as his argument on birthright citizenship.
Preference for legacies is just capitalism. “You pay for the creation of a building that we need, which cost orders of magnitude more than tuition, and your children can go to school here too. But, they also can pay tuition, thanks”.
A state created preference for legacy enrollment is probably un-Constitutional, but a school admitting a student based on gobs of money being thrown at them? Well, someone has to pay the bills, and it sure as hell won’t be the lefty shits.
They're just capitalism at private schools, anyway. Public schools actually have to follow the Constitution.
LOL, not as far as they're concerned. They're already plotting to evade the Constitution in response to AA being struck down in admissions.
Public schools actually have to follow the Constitution.
Bearing in mind that I disagree with your assertion that titles of nobility are merely heritable privileges, thus legacy admissions are titles of nobility, where does it say that legacy admissions are prohibited? I think you have a rather large hurdle to clear to equate legacy admissions with titles of nobility.
But not all legacy families throw gobs of money.
Getting into a prestigious school on the basis of major contributions does not require that you be a legacy. See Kushner, Jared.
That's for sure: I was technically a legacy when I went to college; I picked the same university as my dad, without even realizing it! We've never given them a cent beyond tuition payments. In fact, I think the alum magazine makes us a net loss.
FTR, schools consider legacy admits in a separate bucket from non-legacy donors like Kushner. Schools have a list of what is variously called something like "dean's interest" or "director's interest" to give preferences to the children of celebrities, donors, and politicians. (There are also preferences for the children of faculty.) In addition to athletes and affirmative action.
Do legacies actually get any preference when they are not giving money or famous? Seems dubious.
This says there are over 400,000 Harvard alumni. https://alumni.harvard.edu/college/seniors
Yes, otherwise it defeats the purpose. Legacy status builds generational loyalty and given that the schools for which this truly matters are all hard to get into and generally come with high wages after graduation, the money will eventually come. And, these students benefit just by skipping the line even while they do end up with a significant tuition bill.
Alumni relations departments generally demand access to the contact data for the parents of incoming first year students specifically to start courting donations early while the family is still excited about their child's bright future. The money often comes after graduation so the decision to admit must be made on other information. Naturally, legacy families with a history of donating are at the top of the list and are usually noted in some manner to ensure the admissions folks make the desired decision.
The existence of legacy admissions is pretty well acknowledged. Or was when I was applying to undergrad.
This. Government should have no standing to forbid private college choosing to pursue legacy admissions. It’s not racial discrimination, no matter what the disparate impact people try to say. There is no legal equivalence between racial preference in admissions versus legacies. Just like there’s nothing wrong with giving student-athlete admissions preference to play a sport collegiately. It’s a free market.
It doesn’t have to prohibit them from doing it. It can just not give them any money. You know, student loans, research grants, etc.
In fact, that's what it actually does. Harvard could escape the strictures of Title VI and legally ignore the ruling of SFFA if it chose to forgo all government money.
Rather like Hillsdale, only with much less sacrifice.
"Harvard could escape the strictures of Title VI and legally ignore the ruling of SFFA if it chose to forgo all government money."
Which Harvard could afford to do, since it is the wealthiest university in the country. A quick search indicates that it has a $ 53 Billion endowment.
So with all the moral preening about how bad the SFFA decision is, if Harvard is serious that AA is such a critical thing for its mission, it should follow your suggestion.
But I am not holding my breath. Virtue signaling is great when it's free. But a buck's a buck.
Incorrect. The ruling in SFFA was also based on the 14th amendment, so it applies to everyone. Harvard can't ignore it whether they take government money or not.
The ruling was based on Title VI requiring private institutions that take federal money to comply with the 14th amendment. Footnote 2:
“2 Title VI provides that “[n]o person in the United States shall, on the ground of race, color, or national origin, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance.” 42 U. S. C. §2000d. “We have explained that discrimination that violates the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment committed by an institution that accepts federal funds also constitutes a violation of Title VI.” Gratz v. Bollinger, 539 U. S. 244, 276, n. 23 (2003). Although JUSTICE GORSUCH questions that proposition, no party asks us to reconsider it. We accordingly evaluate Harvard’s admissions program under the standards of the Equal Protection Clause itself. “
My point was not whether there was a mechanism, but whether using it was legitimate here. I say it's not.
Certainly the federal government can make accepting money conditional. That is how it asserts its control over things beyond its constitutional grant of authority.
In the case of racial (or other) discrimination, it is entirely justifiable, because it has a moral (or even legal) nexus to the 14A. Beyond that, it should be nobody's business, let alone government, what the admissions criteria is for a private college.
Public universities...that one I agree, there is titles of nobility argument to be made. I don't think a creature of the state should be self-selecting future members based on birth.
Nothing compared to the discrimination Left Handers (we lefties prefer "People of Southpawness") face in baseball, being shut out of a full 50% of the non pitching positions. And the whole thing could be fixed by a simple alternation in direction of baserunning, like they do in every other sport (OK, maybe not golf or bowling, but they aren't real sports) and even with a few left handed POTUS's the Horrocaust continues...
Frank
Not necessarily unfair.
Remember, left-handers have compensating advantages when playing first base or pitching, and also when breaking out of the batter's box.
According to this,
While only 10 percent of the population is left-handed, 25 percent of major leaguers are. Of the 61 pitchers enshrined in the National Baseball Hall of Fame, 13 are left-handed, or 21 percent, more than twice that in the general population. It's even more striking for position players:
"Of 128 in the Hall, 71 are righties, 59 are lefties and eight are switch-hitters—or close to 50-50! Among left-handers are some of the game's greatest: Babe Ruth, Ty Cobb, Ted Williams, Stan Musial, George Brett, Barry Bonds.
How many lefthanded Catchers, Shortstops, Second/Third baseman??? And right handed switch hitters get the same "advantage" as lefties. It's so simple, we don't make tennis players play on the same side of the court for the whole match, and you have to serve to a different side of the court every point, You just can't handle the idea of a Left Handed Shortstop!!!!!!!!!
Frank
Go play south of the equator since everything is backwards there.
He doesn't want to have to pitch underhanded.
Do legacy admissions involve a suspect category of people? If not, then the 14th Amendment equal protection clause does not apply.
There's still disparate impact to consider.
So maybe the whole legacy admissions problem could be solved with more capitalism: you graduate from some university, they give you a voucher worth a bonus toward admission for one failson. You get taxed on it as income if you accept it, and you can sell it to somebody else. Since universities are already doing this in return for large donations, you're just letting the free market set the price.
Disparate impact is to racism like BMI is to obesity. Which is to say that it is maybe justifiable as an initial screen for discrimination, but realistically is both seriously over AND under inclusive, far to much so to be considered a real test for any sort of improper discrimination.
Under perfectly realistic, even common, real world circumstances, the only way to avoid disparate impact is to actively engage in discrimination. Treating it as a test for discrimination is tantamount to demanding rigid quotas.
Come on, Brett.
You know as well as I do that disparate impact can be easily used to make determinations of discrimination. You don't have to assume that any deviation from strict proportionality is evidence of discrimination. Get out your statistics book and read about hypothesis testing.
Do the analysis reasonably and it's fine. (Yes, that's a big qualification.)
Nonsense. All of the "analyses" assume that blacks and whites have equal IQs, and therefore, any underrepresentation of blacks is due to discrimination. Disparate impact can't be used at all to make determinations of discrimination, much less be used "easily."
You know as well as I do that just because they use it doesn't mean it's actually valid. Most 'disparate impact' analysis starts and ends at deviation from strict proportionality.
Brettlaw strikes again. Bernard is saying what the law is. He is not agreeing with you and lying about it.
Whether it pans out in a particular case to demonstrate racism or not (or BMI proves obesity or not), it does in some cases and refutes the claim that the 14th amendment does not apply.
Ilya has finally gone off the deep end....
He's the same place he's been for a long time: All immigration restrictions are wrong.
Indeed. But this is a new level of bizarre, trying to equate birthright citizenship with hereditary titles of nobility.
It's really an argument that citizenship shouldn't exist as a thing. Either you live in a Dred Scott universe, where the lawmakers of the moment decide who is a citizen (no birthright), or anybody who happens to be within a nation-state's borders is by default. The latter is no citizenship at all, because it works in conjunction with Somin's no restriction on migration preference.
I don't want to live in such a world. I continue to maintain that Somin composes this stuff in bad faith, in this case ignoring the very words of the Constitution in favor of his abstract judicially implemented preferences. I don't know how we can accept anything else he says about the law, when he insists on such an interpretation antithetical to any reasonable jurisprudence.
It can be tough realizing that some policy you really, really want, and may even think is morally obligatory, is a complete non-starter politically because most people think it's insane. Some people cope with the realization better than others.
Somin has coped with it very badly indeed.
Yes, but now it's also: All immigration restrictions are unconstitutional!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Constitution_is_not_a_suicide_pact
The purpose of legacy admissions is to firm up the donor base by creating families of alumni with a strong attachment to the college. It's commercial speech, which is not as robustly protected as other speech.
"Speech?"
It is not commercial speech. Commercial speech is speech which does no more than propose a commercial transaction — essentially, advertising.
Mr. Somin, your loved ones need to intervene and stop you writing about immigration. Claiming that jus soli citizenship is hereditary is a sign you've descended into pure crankery.
Potentially radical! Somin says.
More wild and unhinged theorizing from Ilya the libertarian globalist.
I didn't follow the recent Harvard case closely, but . . . private institutions should be able to do as they see fit generally speaking, including engaging in affirmative action hiring and school admissions, and legacy school admissions. Also, the left-wing highway robbery of trillions of dollars in public funding being funneled to higher education should be stopped entirely.
Beyond that, what to say to this ridiculous stuff? Maybe a look at the Constitution's preamble is in order (emphasis added):
I'm okay with that as long as Harvard stops using public roads, sewer and police/fire protection.
I generally don't think it's a good idea for private businesses and institutions to discriminate based on race. But I'm not sure we need laws against it.
I agree. I was just parroting the retarded argument leftists use to justify forcing a baker to make a cake to celebrate a "marriage" that can only be consummated through abuse of the digestive system.
Fortunately, Prof. Somin's open-borders lunacy is not a necessary feature of libertarianism.
Libertarianism in One Country
I agree, that's why I said he's a libertarian globalist. I might have added things like universalist, utopian, etc. One could even argue that such globalism is plainly contradictory to the aims of libertarianism. I'll check out the link as well.
It’s not libertarian, though it relies on libertarian principles, like freedom to engage in business without needing to get on bended knee for every damned thing.
It is, however, a fantastically beneficial thing, because, in an economically free society, the more, the better.
Restricting immigration because it depresses wages is a leftist thing and not a consevative thing, nor something according to that measured success yardstick. Unprincipled, a rogue told you restricting it was a good thing, as brute populism.
Democrats are also unprincipled as they don’t believe the economic benefits, nor, if their rhetoric is to be believed, do they think this is the great shining city on the hill. It does buy them social security support delays for that flagging ponzi scheme, and, if the rogue mentioned above wasn’t an idiot ragging on “Mexicans”, it buying Democrats votes wouldn’t be as big of an issue.
Let us all now pray together, Oh Lord, please smear this worthless planet with a giant asteroid. Amen.
"Men not having the same capabilities, if they are free, they will not be equal, and if they are equal, then they are not free."
― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
“The Gulag Archipelago” should be required reading (it is in Roosh-a, ooh, must be bad) read my Mom’s copy in 1974, (and her copy of “Fear of Flying” also highly recommended, Spoiler Alert!! not really about Air Travel.)
Frank
This is a moronic argument. It is purely a financial transaction. Gran’Pappy is less likely to donate if Idiot, Jr. doesn’t get accepted. Maybe if you tried to argue nobility sustained itself with kickbacks to the royalty, but I don’t see that. This would be a very needy royalty.
Secondly, they’re about to touch the third rail of Democratic politics, where the most important faction is suing lawyers. In any conflict between factions, suing lawyers wins. The biggest donors would come from the most successful schools. Good luck, every faction except them!
Did you not read the part right near the beginning where he said he doesn't find these arguments persuasive, and legacy admissions are probably fine under current civil rights law?
It's not libertarian, though it relies on libertarian principles, like freedom to engage in business without needing to get on bended knee for every damned thing.
It is, however, a fantastically beneficial thing, because, in an economically free society, the more, the better.
Restricting immigration because it depresses wages is a leftist thing and not a consevative thing, nor something according to that measured success yardstick. Unprincipled, a rogue told you restricting it was a good thing, as brute populism.
Democrats are also unprincipled as they don't believe the economic benefits, nor, if their rhetoric is to be believed, do they think this is the great shining city on the hill. It does buy them social security support delays for that flagging ponzi scheme, and, if the rogue mentioned above wasn't an idiot ragging on "Mexicans", it buying Democrats votes wouldn't be as big of an issue.
Let us all now pray together, Oh Lord, please smear this worthless planet with a giant asteroid. Amen.
The labor economics are not as simple as you think. But go wild with your litany of secret Democratic reasons other than what they say.
Thank goodness that Lord of yours is an illusory, paltry, worthless thing, as worrisome as Darth Vader or Dean Wormer.
In this article Somin appears to argue against birthright citizenship....
Just because you were "born here" or your parents were "citizens" you shouldn't be able to vote here. That's like a Noble title! No, only the government should be able to decide who can vote. Perhaps through some "test" or by selecting just those who best "align" with their view of America.
I can't see anything going wrong there...
For sound economic perspective please go to https://honesteconomics.substack.com/
How is the opportunity to matriculate at a publicly-supported university EVEN REMOTELY equivalent to citizenship? There is not some mystical sin committed by legacy action. Taxpayers fund the university; hence, they deserve a level playing field to get in college based on their records compared to other applicants. Foreigners don't fund squat, and don't deserve shit from me as far as the privilege of citizenship.
I would not expect fans of a blindingly white, exceedingly male blog, bigot-hugging blog -- even one with a vanishingly thin academic veneer -- to be interesting in any disparate impact analysis.
Has Prof. Volokh ever addressed the lack of content produced by people who are not white and male at this blog? Does he ascribe it to happenstance?
Carry on, clingers.
Next step, eliminate special privileges for the species homo sapiens. Give AI bots voting rights.
Citizenship doesn't exalt the citizen above the crowd, it only makes him equal to most of the crowd.