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What the Declaration of Independence Said and Meant
It officially adopted the American Theory of Government: First Come Rights; Then Comes Government to Secure These Rights
[This year, my annual post celebrating the Fourth of July is drawn from a chapter of Our Republican Constitution: Securing the Liberty and Sovereignty of We the People, and from a short essay on the same topic, The Declaration of Independence and the American Theory of Government: First Come Rights, and Then Comes Government." It also draws upon Sean Wilentz, No Property in Man: Slavery and Antislavery at the Nation's Founding]
The Declaration of Independence used to be read aloud at public gatherings every Fourth of July. Today, while all Americans have heard of it, all too few have read more than its second sentence. Yet the Declaration shows the natural rights foundation of the American Revolution, and provides important information about what the founders believed makes a constitution or government legitimate. It also raises the question of how these fundamental rights are reconciled with the idea of "the consent of the governed," another idea for which the Declaration is famous.
The adoption of the Declaration, and the public affirmation of its principles, led directly to the phased in abolition of slavery in half of the United States by the time the Constitution was drafted--as well as the abolition of slavery in the Northwest Territory. The Rhode Island gradual abolition law of 1784 read:
All men are entitled to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, and the holding Mankind in a State of Slavery, as private property, which has gradually obtained by unrestrained Custom and the Permission of the Law, is repugnant to this Principle, and subversive of the Happiness of Mankind.
Later, the Declaration also assumed increasing importance in the struggle to abolish slavery. It became a lynchpin of the moral and constitutional arguments of the nineteenth-century abolitionists. As one New Yorker opposed to slavery wrote in 1797:
The right of property which every man has to his personal liberty is paramount to all the laws of property…. All I contend for at present is, that no claims of property can ever justly interfere with, or be suffered to impede the operation of that noble and eternal principle, that "all men are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights–and that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
The Declaration was much relied upon by Abraham Lincoln and many others before him:
Without the Constitution and the Union, we could not have attained the result; but even these, are not the primary cause of our great prosperity. There is something back of these, entwining itself more closely about the human heart. That something, is the principle of "Liberty to all"–the principle that clears the path for all–gives hope to all–and, by consequence, enterprize, and industry to all.
The expression of that principle, in our Declaration of Independence, was most happy, and fortunate. Without this, as well as with it, we could have declared our independence of Great Britain; but without it, we could not, I think, have secured our free government, and consequent prosperity. No oppressed, people will fight, and endure, as our fathers did, without the promise of something better, than a mere change of masters.
The assertion of that principle, at that time, was the word, "fitly spoken" which has proved an "apple of gold" to us. The Union, and the Constitution, are the picture of silver, subsequently framed around it. The picture was made, not to conceal, or destroy the apple; but to adorn, and preserve it. The picture was made for the apple—not the apple for the picture.
The Declaration had to be explained away–quite unconvincingly–by the Supreme Court in Dred Scott. And eventually it was repudiated by some defenders of slavery in the South because of its inconsistency with that institution.
When reading the Declaration, it is worth keeping in mind two very important facts. The Declaration constituted high treason against the Crown. Every person who signed it would be executed as traitors should they be caught by the British. Second, the Declaration was considered to be a legal document by which the revolutionaries justified their actions and explained why they were not truly traitors. It represented, as it were, a literal indictment of the Crown and Parliament, in the very same way that criminals are now publicly indicted for their alleged crimes by grand juries representing "the People."
But to justify a revolution, it was not thought to be enough that officials of the government of England, the Parliament, or even the sovereign himself had violated the rights of the people. No government is perfect; all governments violate rights. This was well known. So the Americans had to allege more than mere violations of rights. They had to allege nothing short of a criminal conspiracy to violate their rights systematically. Hence, the famous reference to "a long train of abuses and usurpations" and the list that follows the first two paragraphs. In some cases, these specific complaints account for provisions eventually included in the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
In Our Republican Constitution: Securing the Liberty and Sovereignty of We the People, I explain how the Declaration encapsulated the political theory that lead the Constitution some eleven years later. To appreciate all that is packed into the two paragraphs that comprise the preamble to the list of grievances, it is useful to break down the Declaration into some of its key claims.
"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."
This first sentence is often forgotten. It asserts that Americans as a whole (and not as members of their respective colonies) are a distinct "people." To "dissolve the political bands" revokes the "social compact" that existed between the Americans and the rest of "the People" of the British commonwealth, reinstates the "state of nature" between Americans and the government of Great Britain, and makes "the Laws of Nature" the standard by which this dissolution and whatever government is to follow are judged. "Declare the causes" indicates they are publicly stating the reasons and justifying their actions rather than acting as thieves in the night.
The Declaration is like the indictment of a criminal that states the basis of his criminality. But the ultimate judge of the rightness of their cause will be God, which is why the revolutionaries spoke of an "appeal to heaven"—an expression commonly found on revolutionary banners and flags. As British political theorist John Locke wrote: "The people have no other remedy in this, as in all other cases where they have no judge on earth, but to appeal to heaven." The reference to a "decent respect to the opinions of mankind" might be viewed as a kind of an international public opinion test. Or perhaps the emphasis is on the word "respect," recognizing the obligation to provide the rest of the world with an explanation they can evaluate for themselves.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. "
The most famous line of the Declaration. On the one hand, this will become a great embarrassment to a people who permitted slavery. On the other hand, making public claims like this has consequences—that's why people make them publicly. To be held to account. This promise will provide the heart of the abolitionist case in the nineteenth century, which is why late defenders of slavery eventually came to reject the Declaration. And it forms the basis for Martin Luther King's metaphor of the civil rights movement as a promissory note that a later generation has come to collect.
Notice that the rights of "life," "liberty" and "the pursuit of happiness" are individual, not collective or group rights. They belong to "We the People"—each and every one. This is not to say that government may not create collective, positive rights; but only that the rights that the next sentence tells us are to be secured by government belong to us as individuals.
What are "unalienable," or more commonly, "inalienable rights"? Inalienable rights are those you cannot give up even if you want to and consent to do so, unlike other rights that you can agree to transfer or waive. Why the claim that they are inalienable rights? The Founders want to counter England's claim that, by accepting the colonial governance, the colonists had waived or alienated their rights. The Framers claimed that with inalienable rights, you always retain the ability to take back any right that has been given up.
A standard trilogy throughout this period was "life, liberty, and property." For example, the Declaration and Resolves of the First Continental Congress (1774) read: "That the inhabitants of the English colonies in North-America, by the immutable laws of nature, the principles of the English constitution, and the several charters or compacts, have the following RIGHTS: Resolved, 1. That they are entitled to life, liberty and property: and they have never ceded to any foreign power whatever, a right to dispose of either without their consent." Or, as John Locke wrote, "no one ought to harm another in his life, health, liberty, or possessions."
When drafting the Declaration in June of 1776, Jefferson based his formulation on a preliminary version of the Virginia Declaration of Rights that had been drafted by George Mason at the end of May for Virginia's provincial convention. Here is how Mason's draft read:
THAT all men are born equally free and independent, and have certain inherent natural rights, of which they cannot, by any compact, deprive or divest their posterity; among which are, the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the means of acquiring and possessing property, and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety.
Notice how George Mason's oft-repeated formulation combines the right of property with the pursuit of happiness. And, in his draft, not only do all persons have "certain . . . natural rights" of life, liberty, and property, but these rights cannot be taken away "by any compact." Again, these rights each belong to individuals. And these inherent individual natural rights, of which the people—whether acting collectively or as individuals—cannot divest their posterity, are therefore retained by them, which is helpful in understanding the Ninth Amendment's reference to the "rights…retained by the people."
Interestingly, Mason's draft was slightly altered by the Virginia Convention in Williamsburg on June 11, 1776. After an extensive debate, the officially adopted version read (with the modifications in italics):
That all men are by nature equally free and independent, and have certain inherent rights, of which, when they enter into a state of society, they cannot, by any compact, deprive or divest their posterity; namely, the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the means of acquiring and possessing property, and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety.
This version is still in effect today.
According to historian Pauline Meier, by changing "are born equally free" to "are by nature equally free," and "inherent natural rights" to "inherent rights," and then by adding "when they enter into a state of society," defenders of slavery in the Virginia convention could contend that slaves were not covered because they "had never entered Virginia's society, which was confined to whites."
Yet it was the language of Mason's radical draft—rather than either Virginia's final wording or Jefferson's more succinct formulation—that became the canonical statement of first principles. Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, and Vermont adopted Mason's original references to "born equally free" and to "natural rights" into their declarations of rights while omitting the phrase "when they enter into a state of society." Indeed, it is remarkable that these states would have had Mason's draft language, rather than the version actually adopted by Virginia, from which to copy. Here is Massachusetts' version:
All men are born free and equal, and have certain natural, essential, and unalienable rights; among which may be reckoned the right of enjoying and defending their lives and liberties; that of acquiring, possessing, and protecting property; in fine, that of seeking and obtaining their safety and happiness.
Virginia slaveholders' concerns about Mason's formulation proved to be warranted. In 1783, the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court relied upon this more radical language to invalidate slavery in that state. And its influence continued. In 1823, it was incorporated into an influential circuit court opinion by Justice Bushrod Washington defining the "privileges and immunities" of citizens in the several states as "protection by the Government, the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the right to acquire and possess property of every kind, and to pursue and obtain happiness and safety."
Justice Washington's opinion in Corfield (to which we will return), with Mason's language at its core, was then repeatedly quoted by Republicans in the Thirty-Ninth Congress when they explained the meaning of the Privileges or Immunities Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, which reads: "No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States." It was this constitutional language that Republicans aimed at the discriminatory Black Codes by which Southerners were seeking to perpetuate the subordination of blacks, even after slavery had been abolished.
"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men.… "
Another overlooked line, which is of greatest relevance to our discussion of the first underlying assumption of the Constitution: the assumption of natural rights. Here, even more clearly than in Mason's draft, the Declaration stipulates that the ultimate end or purpose of republican governments is "to secure these" preexisting natural rights that the previous sentence affirmed were the measure against which all government—whether of Great Britain or the United States—will be judged. This language identifies what is perhaps the central underlying "republican" assumption of the Constitution: that governments are instituted to secure the preexisting natural rights that are retained by the people. In short, that first come rights and then comes government.
"…deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."
Today, there is a tendency to focus entirely on the second half of this sentence, referencing "the consent of the governed," to the exclusion of the first part, which refers to securing our natural rights. Then, by reading "the consent of the governed" as equivalent to "the will of the people," the second part of the sentence seems to support majoritarian rule by the people's "representatives." In this way, "consent of the governed" is read to mean "consent to majoritarian rule." Put another way, the people can consent to anything, including rule by a majority in the legislature who will then decide the scope of their rights as individuals.
But read carefully, one sees that in this passage the Declaration speaks of "just powers," suggesting that only some powers are "justly" held by government, while others are beyond its proper authority. And notice also that "the consent of the governed" assumes that the people do not themselves rule or govern, but are "governed" by those individual persons who make up the "governments" that "are instituted among men."
The Declaration stipulates that those who govern the people are supposed "to secure" their preexisting rights, not impose the will of a majority of the people on the minority. And, as the Virginia Declaration of Rights made explicit, these inalienable rights cannot be surrendered "by any compact." Therefore, the "consent of the governed," to which the second half of this sentence refers, cannot be used to override the inalienable rights of the sovereign people that are reaffirmed by the first half.
In modern political discourse, people tend to favor one of these concepts over the other—either preexistent natural rights or popular consent—which leads them to stress one part of this sentence in the Declaration over the other. The fact that rights can be uncertain and disputed leads some to emphasize the consent part of this sentence and the legitimacy of popularly enacted legislation. But the fact that there is never unanimous consent to any particular law, or even to the government itself, leads others to emphasize the rights part of this sentence and the legitimacy of judges protecting the "fundamental" or "human" rights of individuals and minorities.
If we take both parts of this sentence seriously, however, this apparent tension can be reconciled by distinguishing between (a) the ultimate end or purpose of legitimate governance and (b) how any particular government gains jurisdiction to rule. So, while the protection of natural rights or justice is the ultimate end of governance, particular governments only gain jurisdiction to achieve this end by the consent of those who are governed. In other words, the "consent of the governed" tells us which government gets to undertake the mission of "securing" the natural rights that are retained by the people. After all, justifying the independence of Americans from the British government was the whole purpose of the Declaration of Independence.
"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
People have the right to take back power from the government. Restates the end—human safety and happiness—and connects the principles and forms of government as means to this end.
"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
Affirms at least two propositions: On the one hand, long-established government should not be changed for just any reason. The mere fact that rights are violated is not enough to justify revolution. All governments on earth will sometimes violate rights. But things have to become very bad before anyone is going to organize a resistance. Therefore, the very existence of this Declaration is evidence that things are very bad indeed.
"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
Revolution is justified only if there "is a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object"—evidence of what amounts to an actual criminal conspiracy by the government against the rights of the people. The opposite of "light and transient causes," that is, the more ordinary violations of rights by government.
"Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain [George III—Eds.] is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world."
What follows is a bill of indictment. Several of these items end up in the Bill of Rights. Others are addressed by the form of the government established—first by the Articles of Confederation, and ultimately by the Constitution.
The assumption of natural rights expressed in the Declaration of Independence can be summed up by the following proposition: "First comes rights, then comes government." According to this view: (1) the rights of individuals do not originate with any government, but preexist its formation; (2) the protection of these rights is the first duty of government; and (3) even after government is formed, these rights provide a standard by which its performance is measured and, in extreme cases, its systemic failure to protect rights—or its systematic violation of rights—can justify its alteration or abolition; (4) at least some of these rights are so fundamental that they are "inalienable," meaning they are so intimately connected to one's nature as a human being that they cannot be transferred to another even if one consents to do so. This is powerful stuff.
At the Founding, these ideas were considered so true as to be self-evident. However, today the idea of natural rights is obscure and controversial. Oftentimes, when the idea comes up, it is deemed to be archaic. Moreover, the discussion by many of natural rights, as reflected in the Declaration's claim that such rights "are endowed by their Creator," leads many to characterize natural rights as religiously based rather than secular. As I explain in The Structure of Liberty: Justice and the Rule of Law, I believe this is a mistake.
The political theory announced in the Declaration of Independence can be summed up in a single sentence: First come rights, and then comes government. This proposition is not, as some would say, a libertarian theory of government. The Declaration of Independence shows it to be the officially adopted American Theory of Government.
- According to the American Theory of Government, the rights of individuals do not originate with any government but pre-exist its formation;
- According to the American Theory of Government, the protection of these rights is both the purpose and first duty of government;
- According to the American Theory of Government, at least some of these rights are so fundamental that they are inalienable, meaning that they are so intimately connected to one's nature as a human being that they cannot be transferred to another even if one consents to do so;
- According to the American Theory of Government, because these rights are inalienable, even after a government is formed, they provide a standard by which its performance is measured; in extreme cases, a government's systemic violation of these rights or failure to protect them can justify its alteration and abolition. In the words of the Declaration, "whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends," that is the securing of these rights, "it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
The original public meaning of the text of the Declaration of Independence is distinct from the original public meaning of the U.S. Constitution. The Constitution, however it is properly interpreted, does not justify itself. To be legitimate, it must be consistent with political principles that are capable of justifying it. Moreover, these same publicly identified original principles are needed inform how the original public meaning of the Constitution is to be faithfully to be applied when the text of
the Constitution is not alone specific enough to decide a case or controversy.
The original principles that the Founders thought underlie and justify the Constitution were neither shrouded in mystery nor to be found by parsing the writings of Locke, Montesquieu, or Machiavelli.
On July 2nd, 1776, the Congress of the United States voted for independence from Great Britain. On July 4th, 1776, it officially adopted the American Theory of Government, which was publicly articulated in the Declaration of Independence.
Happy Independence Day!
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What a coincidence that the Founders meant exactly what you already believe anyway!
But you skipped a bit. For example:
Easily dispatched of...See Jefferson's statement years later, in 1825
From Thomas Jefferson to Henry Lee, 8 May 1825
" this was the object of the Declaration of Independance. not to find out new principles, or new arguments, never before thought of, not merely to say things which had never been said before; but to place before mankind the common sense of the subject; [. . .] terms so plain and firm, as to command their assent, and to justify ourselves in the independant stand we [. . .] compelled to take. neither aiming at originality of principle or sentiment, nor yet copied from any particular and previous writing, it was intended to be an expression of the american mind, and to give to that expression the proper tone and spirit called for by the occasion. all it’s authority rests then on the harmonising sentiments of the day, whether expressed, in conversns in letters, printed essays or in the elementary books of public right, as Aristotle, Cicero, Locke, Sidney Etc."
"All men are born free and equal, and have certain natural, essential, and unalienable rights; among which may be reckoned the right of enjoying and defending their lives and liberties; that of acquiring, possessing, and protecting property; in fine, that of seeking and obtaining their safety and happiness"
That's what ended slavery in Massachusetts. John Adams wrote the Constitution in 1800, and in 1801 and 1803, a couple of slaves said "what about us" and the SJC said "you're right."
The only thing I don't understand why there had to be a second case in 1803 but communication wasn't that good back then.
The Declaration articulates the
SOUL-Lutions
To the Insufferable MESS
Created by both Poo-litcal BANDITS
Who don MASKS as the DID THE UNTHINKABLE
DISSOLVE THEM BOTH
DONKEY RINOS
ARE NO LONGER
GOOD FOR THE LAND OF THE FREE
THEY ARE EVIL
My argument against slavery has always been its inconsistency. If slavery truly means ownership equivalent to owning cattle, then it cannot be distinguished from kidnapping; if the reputed slave protests, that is against his owner's wishes, and must be ignored. You could grab anyone, claim they are your runaway slave, and no one dare claim otherwise.
The only way to circumvent this is by some kind of markings, such as innate characteristics (cows, skin color), mutilations (branding) or tattoos, none of which can be undone, which not only prevents freeing slaves for good deeds, but prevents selling slaves or inheriting them or all transfers, since the branding cannot be changed. And again, all you have to do is kidnap someone, brand them, and now their instant slavery cannot be undone.
Go to Natural Religion, natural law and avoid all the BS
Here is Llinconl on slavery and its consistency , as opposed to your inconsistency
If A. can prove, however conclusively, that he may, of right, enslave B. -- why may not B. snatch the same argument, and prove equally, that he may enslave A?--
You say A. is white, and B. is black. It is color, then; the lighter, having the right to enslave the darker? Take care. By this rule, you are to be slave to the first man you meet, with a fairer skin than your own.
You do not mean color exactly?--You mean the whites are intellectually the superiors of the blacks, and, therefore have the right to enslave them? Take care again. By this rule, you are to be slave to the first man you meet, with an intellect superior to your own.
But, say you, it is a question of interest; and, if you can make it your interest, you have the right to enslave another. Very well. And if he can make it his interest, he has the right to enslave you.
The OP is history pounded into pablum, by a libertarian true believer trying to make it sound like the founders were libertarians. They were not. Much of what Barnett wrote is wrong as a matter of history. For instance:
The Declaration is like the indictment of a criminal that states the basis of his criminality. But the ultimate judge of the rightness of their cause will be God, which is why the revolutionaries spoke of an “appeal to heaven”—an expression commonly found on revolutionary banners and flags.
No. The founders, and especially the most influential founders, were the least religious generation of political leaders this nation has ever had. Barnett brings God into it because he understands Locke’s basically pre-Enlightenment view of rights was religiously founded, and Barnett’s libertarian bias vibrates in sympathy with thousands of tacit attributions of founding-era values to Locke—despite the fact that it was Locke, more than any other political philosopher, who fastened the institution of plantation slavery on the American South.
The founders’ view of rights was not religiously founded. It was founded in the Hobbesian notion that post-religious nation states were created by sovereigns wielding unchecked political power. Sovereigns decreed and limited governments. They wielded the ultimate power of the state to bind and control governments. In that view it was sovereign power which protected citizens’ rights from governments, which were, of course, always the principal threats to personal rights and other freedoms.
Thus, in the Declaration:
That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
Where in that sweeping assertion is there any notion of constraint at all?
That is the real subject of the Declaration of Independence—the invention of a new theory of governance, governance which relies on a joint popular sovereign, as capable as any other sovereign to exercise power at pleasure. Note that the right of the People to sovereignty is collective. And in the view of the founders it is that collective power which became not only the fount of personal rights, but also the source of power to vindicate them.
That collective sovereignty was also the basis to decide and exercise at pleasure, without constraint, all the other powers of government. Those the joint popular sovereign was free to deploy at will, as the Declaration said explicitly—not within the constraints of any particular pre-existing Lockean philosophy, or of any other system. Nor did God have anything to do with it.
This twisting of the words and meaning of the Declaration by Barnett happens annually because libertarians like Barnett have no theory of government of their own. They reject out of hand the notion of sovereignty, whether popular or any other kind. Libertarians’ pro-individualist biases especially rebel at the notion that collective power plays any legitimate role in governance.
So when it comes to the founders, that leaves libertarians stuck. They do not want to declare openly that they oppose America’s founding principles, but they do oppose them. So instead, libertarians resort almost in desperation to an extravagant universalist restatement of the notions of personal liberty characteristic of the anti-universalist British aristocratic class—the notions upon which Locke’s philosophy of rights was based. In short, Barnett, without thinking it through, is trying to conjure for Americans generally the dreams of extravagant personal liberty which Locke prescribed specifically for the planter class of South Carolina. That turned out to be unwise the first time around. It will fare no better now.
One reason to disagree is over your report of Hobbes. Hobbes doesn’t think you’ve the right to limit, let alone abolish, the sovereign. He thinks there are circumstances where you can disobey its orders, eg when the regime isn’t protecting your life/creates conditions harmful to your very survival. But you otherwise must obey the Leviathan.
Hobbes suggests that the sovereign’s power is unlimited, and that revolution is never justified, ie, because it’s (supposedly) better to suffer the Leviathan’s tyranny than to create a condition of anarchy (as, say, perhaps, was the case during the English civil war to some limited extent). This already puts the Declaration at odds with Hobbes.
Also, pretty sure that the American Framers not only read Locke (‘life, liberty’, and property’ pops up a few times later on…) but they also preferred his alternative natural rights and social contract narrative over Hobbes’ — especially as they also believed that you can design and shape the scope (the limits) of a government’s power. Otherwise, what was the point of drafting constitutions #1 and #2 for a federal government of limited powers and consisting of three branches? As a mere veneer for the plebs? This, too, puts the Declaration at odds with Hobbes.
Further, on the Lockean story (for it’s just a story), each individual in the state of nature ‘transfers’ some of his/her natural rights to the new government. Hence, it’s not a narrative of a COLLECTIVE right of the people. One would need more evidence that the Framers (uniformly? Some critical mass of them?) believed otherwise. (Nor is Hobbes’ account of the creation of the social contract involve a collective right; individual humans in the state of nature transfer their individual natural liberties to the new regime on his story too.)
If you nevertheless still hold that it’s a collective right of ‘the’ people to alter or abolish the current government, then a problem for both the collectivist and individualist readings of the Declaration is that at least of one third of the people didn’t want to do so: the Loyalists. So, what’s the population threshold for 'the' right’s legitimate actualization?
More importantly, all of those narratives (Hobbes’, Locke’s, the Drafters of the Declaration, the US Framers’) are bullshit. So, why would this be a problem for libertarians or anyone else?
'And in the view of the founders it is that collective power which became not only the fount of personal rights, but also the source of power to vindicate them'.
Pretty sure that that's inaccurate. The Framers didn't think personal/individual rights flowed from such a source. If you read the debates around the American Bill of Rights, which I've not done in a long time, the representatives are clearly talking about (1) natural rights stuff (eg, the right to not take your hat off to a person of superior rank/station, regarding the 9th Amendment) and (2) the codification of some long-standing, positive law rights of Englishmen.
It furthermore seems perfectly sensible to think that there's no popular sovereignty to be transferred to a government (under a Hobbesian or Lockian narrative), and so no worry about the people being 'sovereign' pre-formation of a government.
Last, even if the Framers were secular, they and Americans persisted with this natural rights talk for a couple of generations. It only died out in the 19th century. Secularism didn't prohibit talk of such natural rights fairy tales (eg, for Rousseau either). And talk of popular sovereignty for a given people outside of a political regime is equally religious mumbo jumbo.
ONly some of us know your argument is bullshit
John Adams to John Quincy Adams, 11 August 1777
"You will find in your Fathers Library, the Works of Mr. Hobbes, in which among a great deal of mischievous Philosophy"
Many founders LOATHED Hobbes
Women, who experienced the contrary, may be less enamored of Prof. Barnett's efforts (which never mention women nor the hypocrisy of the men he celebrates) than is the target audience of a white, male, conservative blog, but I doubt he much cares what they think.
AIDS, do you think that when the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) — a man of unsurpassed, superlative virtue — mounted his nine-year-old child bride Aisha that he was deeply concerned with her experience, and so brought her to orgasm? Or do you think it more likely that she cried and whimpered as a fifty-something-year-old man entered her vagina?
Regarding the laws he prophesied, did they produce equal rights or government first for child brides? What about for females generally? For dhimmis? For infidels? For slaves? For the conquered and vanquished?
More generally, would American jurisprudence become more just and equitable, and more inclusive, by incorporating sharia into it?
Women had the vote in NJ before there was a Constitution. Many Blacks also held suffrage.
You just don't know your history
Women were under coverture (look it up)
A New Birth of Marriage: Love, Politics, and the Vision of the Founders – April 2022
by Brandon Dabling
" Founders at the state and national level shaped marriage law to reflect five vital components of marital unity: the equality and complementarity of the sexes, consent and permanence in marriage, exclusivity in marriage, marital love, and a union oriented toward procreation and childrearing."
There's 5 slaps , if you want more I can serve them up fresh
NO, first comes duties...if you knew either your American History or your Constitutional theory you would know this is the famous Logic false alternative.
As to the racist view you always espouse..,.Are you white if you are an Octaroon ? I am sure that is you were on the train with Plessy ( of Plessy v Ferguson) You would have killed the white conductor for the turning over the (also-white) octaroon Plessy.
I at least take comfort that tha informed on here know you have no education.
The most ironic story of the Declaration of Independence was a few years ago when NPR (IIRC) tweeted out the Declaration line by line (as it has been doing for years), and a bunch of MAGAs threw a tantrum because they saw a few of the tweets out of the bunch, did not (of course) recognize them, and assumed that the criticisms of the British government found therein were actually references to Trump.
Were they more incensed by the ones that Trump had actually done, or the ones he hadn't done?
Probably a pre-emptive strike to distract from noticing all the ones that had already been done by their great heroes Wilson and FDR.
Who is your they referring to?
I dunno, quite the mystery.
What were the writers of the Declaration trying to do? They were trying to explain to the world why they were taking the radical step of separating their 13 "colonies" from the "Mother Country". They were not trying to explain why they were . . . or were not . . . proposing to abolish slavery or grant equal rights to women. But the principles on which they based their Declaration would lead some of them, and their successors, to support freedom for slaves and even equal rights for women. Calling them hypocrites is ignorant and stupid.
What about calling them racists and misogynists? Is that OK with you?
Land thieves too, AIDS. When shall you be leaving their settler colony for good?
Just kidding. You're a mindless hypocrite, of course, and your American betters are going to Breivik you and everyone you love anyway.
Oh, so NOW you see gender as immutable.
Or does misogyny apply when a bigot/Republican/Muslim gets a sex change and becomes a full on Dylan Mulvaney.
Everyone should read
In Natural Law and the Antislavery Constitutional Tradition by Justin Buckley Dyer
It was the Declaration's underpinning that stopped slavery, NATURAL LAW