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The Unsurprising Affirmative Action Decision in Students for Fair Admissions v. Harvard
The Court's core ruling is unsurprising, but its future effects are uncertain.
Today in Students for Fair Admissions v. Harvard, the Supreme Court effectively ended the current regime of diversity-justified-race-based affirmative action in higher education. As the opinion for the Court by Chief Justice Roberts puts it:
University programs must comply with strict scrutiny, they may never use race as a stereotype or negative, and—at some point—they must end. Respondents' admissions systems—however well intentioned and implemented in good faith—fail each of these criteria. They must therefore be invalidated under the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.
While the majority opinion is somewhat cagey about the extent to which it is overturning its prior precedents such as Grutter and Fisher as a formal matter, it does seem clear that going forward current practices at many elite universities will now be held unlawful. Here is the Court's conclusion:
For the reasons provided above, the Harvard and UNC admissions programs cannot be reconciled with the guarantees of the Equal Protection Clause. Both programs lack sufficiently focused and measurable objectives warranting the use of race, unavoidably employ race in a negative manner, involve racial stereotyping, and lack meaningful endpoints. We have never permitted admissions programs to work in that way, and we will not do so today.
At the same time, as all parties agree, nothing in this opinion should be construed as prohibiting universities from considering an applicant's discussion of how race affected his or her life, be it through discrimination, inspiration, or otherwise. See, e.g., 4 App. in No. 21–707, at 1725–1726, 1741; Tr. of Oral Arg. in No. 20–1199, at 10. But, despite the dissent's assertion to the contrary, universities may not simply establish through application essays or other means the regime we hold unlawful today. (A dissenting opinion is generally not the best source of legal advice on how to comply with the majority opinion.) "[W]hat cannot be done directly cannot be done indirectly. The Constitution deals with substance, not shadows," and the prohibition against racial discrimination is "levelled at the thing, not the name." Cummings v. Missouri, 4 Wall. 277, 325 (1867). A benefit to a student who overcame racial discrimination, for example, must be tied to that student's courage and determination. Or a benefit to a student whose heritage or culture motivated him or her to assume a leadership role or attain a particular goal must be tied to that student's unique ability to contribute to the university. In other words, the student must be treated based on his or her experiences as an individual—not on the basis of race.
Many universities have for too long done just the opposite. And in doing so, they have concluded, wrongly, that the touchstone of an individual's identity is not challenges bested, skills built, or lessons learned but the color of their skin. Our constitutional history does not tolerate that choice.
The majority opinion is generally unsurprising to anybody who has followed the issue and the litigation, and the same is generally true of the other separate opinions and dissents in the case as well. That said, many of them are still worth reading. I would particularly highlight Justice Thomas's concurring opinion which offers—I think for the first time on the modern Court—"an originalist defense of the colorblind Constitution" and Justice Gorsuch's concurring opinion which highlights the way these cases could and should be resolved more simply on the basis of Title VI of the Civil Rights Act.
Three additional observations:
One interesting claim made by the majority that I haven't seem discussed so often is that "three out of every five American universities do not consider race in their admissions decisions." (Footnote 9.) I had initially assumed that this reflected the large number of colleges that don't really have selective admissions, and partly it does, but according to the Respondents' Brief, where this figure comes from, even 40% of relative selective colleges don't use race in admissions. This may provide some useful perspective to those of us who focus too often only on a subset of the bigger picture.
In any event, in my view the remaining two important questions for the effect of Students for Fair Admissions are these:
First, what kind of so-called "race neutral alternatives" will be allowed? The Court makes pretty clear that it will not be easy to use something like a "diversity statement" as a de facto affirmative action policy. But what about things like: eliminating standardized testing requirements, or giving preferences on the basis of geography, where the purpose of these things is to achieve a certain racial outcome? This is already the subject of litigation in the lower courts, especially in the magnet school context, and it is hard to imagine the Court will be able to avoid opining on it in the next decade. (My colleague Sonja Starr has an excellent article on this litigation which I recommend to those interested in these issues, though I do not agree with everything in it.)
Second, and more bluntly, how much will schools be able to just cheat? I think it is sometimes alleged, for instance, that some public institutions in states that have banned the use of race in admissions still use it de facto—but it has proved difficult in practice to prove whether or not this is true. Maybe this isn't true, but in any event, the aftermath of Students for Fair Admissions is likely to test a range of enforcement possibilities, from discovery under the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure to, under some administrations, the powers of the Department of Justice and the Department of Education.
How exactly today's decision will affect the world, it seems to me, depends a lot on these things.
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I didn't know that the case against Harvard was going to be decided on constitutional rather than statutory grounds. Does any receipt of federal funds trigger strict scrutiny?
Any use of "race" triggers "strict scrutiny."
What this ruling means is that all the lies the racist pigs of the Left have been pushing to justify passing strict scrutiny are no longer valid
I think what JFC meant to ask was: Does any receipt of federal funds trigger review under the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment?
Look at footnote 2 of the lead opinion. Any violation of EP clause is also violation of Title VI. Harvard's delict is statutory, but standard EP constitutional analysis gets the Court there.
Thank you. I missed the footnote.
It was badly written; it was not decided on constitutional grounds.
Well, yes, because Title VI (according to Bakke, and nobody sought to overrule that holding) implements the exact same standard as the EPC. That was a nonsensical claim in Bakke, but it's where the law is.
As you might of guessed Sotomayer opines in her dissent, reverse discrimination is always constitutional contrary to 14A and consistent with her dissent in Shuette any bans on discrimination are unconstitutional under the equal protection clause of 14A
I found the dissents annoying. They practically lead me to agree with David B. (shudder).
I was hoping someone would pen a bona fide defense of diversity. No such luck. Affirmative action was found unconstitutional ages ago, I'm sad it's where the dissenters got stuck.
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I found the dissents annoying.
Read Sotomayer's dissent in shuette - She basically opined that it was unconstitutional to require compliance with the 14A of the US Constitution.
While the majority opinion is somewhat cagey about the extent to which it is overturning its prior precedents such as Grutter and Fisher as a formal matter
What Roberts did was take all the parts where the majorities in those cases pretended not to be pro-segregation racist pigs, and said "we agree with this, and now we're going to enforce it."
Will Left wing racist pig judges follow the ruling? Of course not!
But the honest Circuits will, and at a minimum there will be massive Circuit splits that force SCOTUS to take the cases and overrule the dishonest racist pig leftists
The language of his ruling is "moderate". The results will not be
Have you thought of switching to decaf?
Have you ever thought of not being a racist pig?
Have you stopped beating your wife?
Someone needs to bring in Hitler soon.
Hitler was the Original "Affirmative Actioner"
check the wrong box and it off to the Gas Chambers...
Frank
Can someone let Greg's owner know he's barking again and needs to be whacked on the head with a newspaper.
Poor racist pig so unhappy I point out the reality of your position
You know it's true, so you don't try to actually defend your position
If everybody who disagrees with you is dishonest, racist, a pig, etc., why then there’s any need to question whether you’re right, is there.
A more self-confident person wouldn’t be so obviously afraid that if he didn’t constantly repeat himself, if he stopped rotely disparaging everyone who disagreed, he might stop believing what he was saying himself.
You wear your insecurities on your sleeve. They are visible to all.
Anyone who believes the people should be judged based on teh color of their skin rather than the content of their character is a racist pig
If you want to make the claim that it's perfectly ok to be a racist pig, you are free to make it, and I'll respond to the argument,.
But I'm not going to let you deny reality. Because that's not honest debate
Uh, no.
The results will be very moderate. Because this isn't an issue that actually affects most people. The schools will change their admissions process to be more obfuscated, people will continue bitching about AA regardless of whether it's relevant to whatever they're bitching about, and in five to ten years there will be a new AA case where the SCOTUS will --once again-- say "we don't like this scheme, go try again and come back in five to ten years".
The impact from this isn't going to rattle any windows ever.
The case nukes DEI
Respondents’ race-based admissions systems also fail to comply with the Equal Protection Clause’s twin commands that race may never be used as a “negative” and that it may not operate as a stereotype. The First Circuit found that Harvard’s consideration of race has resulted in fewer admissions of Asian-American students. Respondents’ assertion that race is never a negative factor in their admissions programs cannot withstand scrutiny. College admissions are zero-sum, and a benefit provided to some applicants but not to others necessarily advantages the former at the expense of the latter..
Hiring and promotion are also zero-sum. DEI prrograms require the hiring and promotion of fewer white people, which makes them illegal under this ruling.
Excerpts from the syllabus:
Despite the early recognition of the broad sweep of the Equal Protection Clause, the Court—alongside the country—quickly failed to live up to the Clause’s core commitments
The conclusion reached by the Brown Court was unmistakably clear: the right to a public education “must be made available to all on equal terms.” 347 U. S., at 493. The Court reiterated that rule just one year later, holding that “full compliance” with Brown required schools to admit students “on a racially nondiscriminatory basis.”
In the years that followed, Brown’s “fundamental principle that racial discrimination in public education is unconstitutional,” id., at 298, reached other areas of life—for example, state and local laws requiring segregation in busing, ... These decisions, and others like them, reflect the “core purpose” of the Equal Protection Clause: “do[ing] away with all governmentally imposed discrimination based on race.”
Eliminating racial discrimination means eliminating all of it. Accordingly, the Court has held that the Equal Protection Clause applies “without regard to any differences of race, of color, or of nationality”— it is “universal in [its] application.” Yick Wo v. Hopkins, 118 U. S. 356, 369. For “[t]he guarantee of equal protection cannot mean one thing when applied to one individual and something else when applied to a person of another color.”
“[d]istinctions between citizens solely because of their ancestry are by their very nature odious to a free people whose institutions are founded upon the doctrine of equality.”
Describing the rulings of Grutter:
Admissions programs could thus not operate on the “belief that minority students always (or even consistently) express some characteristic minority viewpoint on any issue.”
A university’s use of race, accordingly, could not occur in a manner that “unduly harm[ed] nonminority applicants.”
To manage these concerns, Grutter imposed one final limit on race-based admissions programs: At some point, the Court held, they must end.
Those interests include training future leaders, acquiring new knowledge based on diverse outlooks, promoting a robust marketplace of ideas, and preparing engaged and productive citizens. While these are commendable goals, they are not sufficiently coherent for purposes of strict scrutiny.
Second, respondents’ admissions programs fail to articulate a meaningful connection between the means they employ and the goals they pursue. [This has always been true. That Roberts is calling them out on this is massive]
Respondents’ race-based admissions systems also fail to comply with the Equal Protection Clause’s twin commands that race may never be used as a “negative” and that it may not operate as a stereotype. The First Circuit found that Harvard’s consideration of race has resulted in fewer admissions of Asian-American students. Respondents’ assertion that race is never a negative factor in their admissions programs cannot withstand scrutiny. College admissions are zero-sum, and a benefit provided to some applicants but not to others necessarily advantages the former at the expense of the latter..
[Hiring and promotions are also zero-sum. This line drives a stake through the heart of any DEI program that does anything more than funnel extra recruiting ads to "minority outreach".
"Both were qualified, so we took the black person" can't meet this requirement, if the "white person" was more qualified than the "black" one.]
Respondents admissions programs are infirm for a second reason as well: They require stereotyping—the very thing Grutter foreswore. When a university admits students “on the basis of race, it engages in the offensive and demeaning assumption that [students] of a particular race, because of their race, think alike.”
[The same is true for employment]
The problem with this approach is well established: “[O]utright racial balancing” is “patently unconstitutional.”
But Grutter never suggested that periodic review can make unconstitutional conduct constitutional.
Many universities have for too long wrongly concluded that the touchstone of an individual’s identity is not challenges bested, skills built, or lessons learned, but the color of their skin. This Nation’s constitutional history does not tolerate that choice.
For “[t]he guarantee of equal protection cannot mean one thing when applied to one individual and something else when applied to a person of another color.”
Given this nation's history and present condition, it cannot fail to mean different things for people of different colors. Black colored people—especially low status black colored people—experience the guarantee of equal protection as a taunt. White colored people—especially high status white colored people—experience the guarantee as a sword they can wield against blacks—as this decision has just done.
Not true.
ALL "low status" people, be they white or black or asian or whatever, "experience the guarantee of equal protection as a taunt".
You can treat ALL "low status people" better under your program, without being total scum.
It's when you treat high status people with darker skin color better than you treat low status people with lighter skin, because you're a racist, that you fall afoul of the US Constitution, and the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
I'm honestly somewhat undecided on the Constitutional merits, I'm not sure how I would have ruled. But I think the sunshine brought to Harvard's racist admission program is very valuable. Per the chart in the majority, Harvard's system was so racist that a black in the fourth decile had a better chance than getting in than an Asian in the tenth (top) decile and only a slightly worse chance than a White in the top decile. Needless to say, almost no White or Asian person in the fourth decile is getting admitted to Harvard. Prior to this, proponents of racist college admissions would rather disingenuously claim that race would only be used as a tie-breaker in the interest of diversity. This is a lie; the thumb was heavily on the scale for the melanin nobility.
Needless to say, almost no White or Asian person in the fourth decile is getting admitted to Harvard.
I call BS on that one, as applied to white candidates. If George W. Bush and Jared Kushner can get in, clearly their standards for white candidates aren't that high.
I did say "almost no"-- the fourth decile admission for whites was 1.8%, whereas it was 12.8% for blacks. Regardless, George W. Bush and Jared Kushner are far more intelligent and qualified than the median black candidate admitted to Harvard. If you don't like that, take it up with Harvard, they were the ones with the racist admission policy.
Lol.
GW attended Yale as an undergrad. Harvard for an MBA.
Kushner seem to benefit from his father's large donation to Harvard. Does that make Harvard an admissions whore?
What were Barry Sorento's grades?
Like Cheney he was a beneficiary of geographic diversity and then he was legacy at Harvard although his father got kicked out of Harvard for impregnating white women.
Really?
Exactly what were Bush's HS grades and SAT scores? What decile did it put him in that year? What is your support for your claims? Links or it's not real
I neither like nor respect George Bush, but I know the difference between feelings and numbers.
Do you?
His WW2 Service probably helped
Mnuchin and Kushner are Democrats and their policies are why Trump was successful.
Wikipedia gives GW Bush's SAT scores as 1206. In the '60's I believe that would put him in somewhere in the low to mid 80's in percentile terms. So in the second decile. [There's been a little inflation in SAT scores, so the same score today isn't quite as high percentile-wise but the difference isn't a lot.] No information given there on grades.
1206 is as high as that? Wow. My total was 1490 back in '76. (The difference between my "INT" and "WIS" scores was pretty awful, though.)
My recollection is that 500 is supposed to be the ‘average’ score for each test, so 1200 for the sum isn’t bad. It’s a bit hard to compare since a much smaller fraction of people took the test in his time than today, though I believe the College Board tries to adjust for that (I think that’s why the actual average score can be > 500 since there is an assumption that the college going population would score higher than those forgoing the opportunity). Note that there was also a major readjustment of the scores in the 90’s so that today his score would be more like 1270. Congratulations on yours. I believe that was well in the top percent.
And just a clarification.... Wikipedia does have information on his grades in college, but not the high school grades relevant to his admission to Yale.
You think Yale (W went there for undergraduate, Harvard was his MBA) was using this admission regime when Bush applied to college? I call BS on your BS. Maybe think before you post your partisan narrative.
” I call BS on your BS. ”
Bush started Yale in 1964, so class of 1968. According to an article from 2006 in the Yale Alumni magazine, there were 14 black students in the Class of 1969.
And zero women.
No, I think both Yale and Harvard let Bush jr. in because of who his father was, just like they would do today.
Keep I mind that W was a Yale legacy. His father went there. And his father probably got in because his father was the Senator for CN, the state in which Yale is located. Legacies are probably always be given some preference because their parents’ contributions to their alma maters pay for everyone else. Ditto for the kids of powerful politicians who probably get even more preference (easiest way to get into Harvard is if you have a parent who is a powerful Senator).
It will be cool if Harvard becomes mostly asian. The food court and the restaurants in the area will become more diverse. I do hope that the use of the english language is kept in some form.
Decile? What the fuck are you talking about? The whole point is that Harvard doesn't care about your deciles. Anyone can come up with some random "objective" metric by which any conceivable policy would look racist. But admissions aren't based on objective metrics, so it's a pointless exercise.
You might want to actually read the opinion. The deciles and chart showing the racist effect of Harvard's policy was hugely described. You're not going to trick anybody into thinking it's a massive coincidence that black people were able to get in with far worse credentials.
Has any evaluation been done of the success achieved after the "get in" to which you refer?
If the success after "getting in" doesn't correlate in any appreciable way to the student's credentials at the time of admission, perhaps using credentials as the gateway to admission isn't the best idea.
Does having less credentials at the time of admission to Harvard correspond to a higher degree of flunking out of harvard?
That's an interesting question that's raised in Thomas' concurrence when he discusses the "mismatch" theory. He favorably quotes the amicus brief that blames the lack of verification of that hypothesis on the stonewalling of the universities themselves to release the data necessary to conduct just that analysis.
I'd love to know that! Harvard has that data but won't release it.
Your second sentence tells you the answer to your first.
There has been some research published on Mismatch theory where the data indicates that minorities admitted to a law where they are in the middle tiers and roughly have the same grades and LSAT scores as the general student body have higher graduation rates than students that have grades and scores in the bottom 10-20% of their class.
Who'd have ever figured that putting mediocre students in an elite college puts them in the back of the bus and keeps them there. From day one they are scrambling to catch up, rather than starting even with their peers and have a good chance of staying there?
That was the plaintiffs' made-up bullshit. The Universities were like, yeah, that's bullshit, because those "deciles" are based on things we don't care about.
Ah yes. It's merely an astonishing coincidence that the academic index is highly predictive of entry for white and asian candidates, but they mysteriously don't care when it's black and latinos.
Look, if you want to argue that colleges should be allowed to be racist in admissions decisions, that's your prerogative. But you can't be serious in arguing they weren't being racist-- their policy was explicitly to judge candidates based on race in the interests of diversity.
I can make up an index that says anything I want it to say. Making up indexes doesn’t tell you anything useful.
Dude, please.
Do you mind saying what Harvard actually does care about? Because from what they said, the only way to make it work was to assign everyone a "personality score", which, pure coincidence, Asians did poorly on but Black's did will.
If the personality scores ran the other way, would it be appropriate to consider them?
They care about interesting people.
Straight-A students with perfect test scores -- and nothing else -- are just about the least interesting people.
1: Stupid people are boring.
2: People with both crappy grades and crappy test scores tend to be stupid people
3: What you appear to be claiming is that we, the taxpayers of the US, should be sending Harvard millions to billions of dollars so that they can let in only those people that their Admissions dept finds "interesting".
REally?
Would you still claim that if what they found "interesting" was "fratty good old boys"?
"But admissions aren’t based on objective metrics, so it’s a pointless exercise."
Then the schools shouldn't' be eligible for Federal funds.
I am hoping & expecting that there will be a large number of lawsuits where schools that have tossed out SATs and grades lose for doing so:
Page 22: Because “[r]acial discrimination [is] invidious in all contexts,” Edmonson v. Leesville Concrete Co., 500 U. S. 614, 619 (1991), we have required that universities operate their race-based admissions programs in a manner that is “sufficiently measurable to permit judicial [review]” under the rubric of strict scrutiny, Fisher v. University of Tex. at Austin
Eliminating objectivity in admissions decisions makes your program not “sufficiently measurable to permit judicial [review]”. As such, you should lose on those grounds
According to the Arcidiacono Report, taking the hypothetical case of an Asian-American male with a 25% chance of admission, changing the applicant’s race to white would increase his admissions chances to 36%, leaving all other factors constant. Changing the applicant’s race to African American would boost his chance of admission to 95%.
That report was destroyed in court. The district court found it "facially retarded."
Ok that's an overstatement. Here's what it said:
So, are you saying that there was no statistically significant difference in admission rates for the Asian-Americans, Whites and Blacks?
In admissions rates? Like, what percentage of Blacks were admitted, etc.? I expect them to be very different... but that would be true even if admissions were race-blind.
Are you suggesting that universities should take the same percentage of applicants from each race? That's extremely quota-like.
No, the complaint is that an applicant's likelihood of admission is significantly influenced by his race, like the example I gave above. Are you saying that when "less quantifiable qualities and characteristics" are figured in this phenomenon disappears? Is that because non-Asians are more highly endowed in "less quantifiable qualities and characteristics"?
Yes. The district court opinion goes into excruciating detail on this. There was another analysis done which does account for those other things and found no statistically-significant advantage or disadvantage for Asians.
I’m not sure if “endowed” is the right word, I think it’s just a cultural difference.
Harvard downgraded the Asian-Americans because they were judged to have less favorable personal characteristics than other groups. The judge was fine with that, and it appears that you are too. To others, though, the "personal characteristics" score seems like the mechanism by which the number of Asian-Americans at Harvard is kept down.
Well, the opinion didn't have anything to say about that. That part remains legal.
So, you think that the mechanism Harvard used to favor some races and disfavor others remains undisturbed by this decision. Business as usual for Harvard?
The "personal characteristics" score remains undisturbed. They were using other mechanisms too which explicitly accounted for race. Those, of course, have been disturbed.
1: It was solidly established that the "personal characteristics score" for the alumni who actually MET the applicants was the same for Asians and non-Asians
2: It was the "Admissions dept personal characteristics score", given by someone that didn't even meet the applicants, where Asians were one full score below everyone else
3: That was the tool by which Harvard carried out its racism. And if you think that Harvard won't be sued, and lose, if they keep on doing that, you've missed the entire decision
One of the amici suggests this as a test for illegal racial balancing:
strong evidence of this would be present when
This was the case at Harvard. Do you agree with this analysis?
The personal rating WAS compromised, and clearly racist on its face. You can't seriously be defending it.
What about athletics? Extra-curriculars? Writing ability? If all you focus on is grades and test scores, you get a bunch of nerds. Harvard doesn’t just want nerds. That’s MIT.
Nothing about the majority opinion says Harvard must be an only academic institution. It even expressly allows the institution to take personal background into account. It does say when it comes up with those metrics, it cannot do that on the basis of race, and the court decided that it did decide those metrics on that basis, which the dissent fully conceded when it went on and on about "racial justice."
If the dissent wanted to argue, actually disperate impact is bad for all the reasons conservatives said 30 years ago and we totally allow organizations to come up with standards that serve the purposes of discrimination, fine! But the fact of the matter is they didnt and didn't want to.
It is only when Asians are whites are discriminated against this is considered to be not ok.
What about athletics?
Harvard is still free to set aside a certain # of seats for athletes. That's not where their AA payoff is
Extra-curriculars?
Well, that's the BS by which rich parents buy their stupid kids' way into a better school. It's all BS, and should be tossed
Writing ability?
The people whose grades and test scores are in the lower deciles are also worse writers. Because if they weren't, their grades and test scores would be better
If all you focus on is grades and test scores, you get a bunch of nerds.
No, what you get is people who are actually academically qualified to be there.
An "extra-curricular activity" which is done for the purpose of getting you into a better college is just as much of a "striver nerd" thing as better grades.
It's just that kids with upper middle class and rich parents can do "better" ones of those than can poor kids.
They're nothing but "affirmative action for rich kids", and they should be tossed from the application process.
You want to go to a better school? Be smarter, work hard.
No, you can't chose to be smarter. So what? The whole point of "meritocracy" is you want the best. And that includes characteristics over which we have no control.
You dont' want merit to rule? That's fine. Then STFU about the rest of us listening to, valuing, or respecting those non-meritorious "experts"
Its not generally a good idea to take your talking points and analysis from the judge who is being reversed.
But, this says it all anyway looking at grades and test.scores "undervalues other less quantifiable qualities and characteristics that are valued by Harvard and important to the admissions process."
Like personality and race. And we know Asians have lousy personalities.
What about discriminating against terrorist wannabes?
We mete justice, not seek it.
This case, whatever you think of the merits, is a quintessential Roberts opinion. It purports to uphold the Grutter standard, indeed to follow it closely. It rejects the idea that affirmative actuon is per se unconstitutional. But in doing so, it throws Grutter’s actual holding completely out the window.
First of all, would-be affirmative action programs now have to meet a standard that may well be impossible. They have to have measurable goals, so that courts can assess the extent to which these goals can be met. Promoting diverse future leaders and similar non-measurable mission statements are out. What exactly is diversity? It must be measurable, yet it must be achieved without quotas.
Second, they cannot disadvantage or disparage a group. That last point is key. The opinion states that college admissions is a zero sum game, that advantaging any group necessarily disparages another. Without actually saying affirmative action programs are per se unconstitutional, the court comes close to saying that if colleges want to advantage one group, they have to do so without disadvantaging any other.
Finally, the Court has signed on to Professor Bernstein’s argument, that current racial categories are vague, both over- and under-inclusive, and unacceptable.
The opinion creates a series of catch-22s. Measurable outcomes, but no quotas. Cannot disadvantage any other froup. Etc. The net result preserves affirmative action in theory, but completely destroys it in practice.
Actually, it permits Affirmative action, but only in it's original sense, before LBJ got hold of it and made it a program of racial preferences.
The original "Affirmative action" order, from which the term derives:
<a href="https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/executive-order-10925-establishing-the-presidents-committee-equal-employment-opportunity
" The contractor will not discriminate against any employee or applicant for employment because of race, creed, color, or national origin. The contractor will take affirmative action to ensure that applicants are employed, and that employees are treated during employment, without regard to their race, creed, color, or national origin."
Bush made affirmative action about helping Hispanics because he wanted to win their votes.
A change in admissions racial categories is measurable. But I don’t disagree with the question: to what end? This is the problem with such affirmative action programs. It presumes we can objectively determine the “correct” racial composition of any institution.
I continue to maintain the way to approach this is to first do admissions/hiring colorbind, then after look at the racial composition of the result, for similarly credentialed students/employees etc. I know that’s what the people interested in discriminating don’t like, because it will likely show the intellectual bankruptcy of their position.
Colleges, business, civic organizations can certainly try to increase the diversity of the population in which they recruit. But that’s the limit without putting your thumb on the scale when applying objective relevant criteria (grades, test scores, qualifications).
I know, I know…I know what’s coming next: a return to the allegation that standardized tests (or any performance standards) are discriminatory. Did we ever truly abandon that?
Which brings us back to students scrubbing their applications of anything that might indicate their race, including the parts of their personal story they talk about (if you talk about your Cuban grandfather and how that impacted you growing up, your application isn't colorblind anymore!), student clubs and activities you took part in, hell, in some cases, the name of your churches and so-on.
The only way to do a 100% "colorblind" college application is if you exclusively look at measurable metrics (like GPA, ACT, SAT, so-on)†, and supposedly that's not what any of these lawyers are demanding.
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†Disclosure: at least for fresh-from-high school undergrads, my alma mater does this. No essays, no talking about student clubs, none of it. Just "here's my transcript, here's my ACT score". I have no problem with this model. But many people, including the lawyers who argued the case before the SCOTUS, claim that isn't their objective.
Look, this is a personal issue for me, so I'm less objective, but I WAS told I shouldn't write about my Hindu perspective on my upbringing in my college app because of discrimination through AA against Asians, so I dont really sympathize.
There shouldn't BE "personal statements".
There shouldn't BE a listing of "extra-curricular activities" that were undertaken for the sole purpose of getting you in ot a better school.
Maybe have a a short list of items of relevance:
Geographical location
1st generation of family to go to college
Decile of family wealth
Family status
Maybe a few others. None of which involve your skin color, or groups you volunteered for, or any of that BS
Grades, test scores. Those are the academic measures, and these are supposed to be academic institutions.
if they're not academic institutions, but social clubs, then we should end all Federal, State, and local financial support for them, and let them do whatever they want.
If Harvard doesn't want to admit students like an academic institution, they can stop taking our money, and do whatever they damn well please
For the record, the trial court found that UofM was actively using quota's. The CA6 had to invent new findings of fact de novo, taking the UofM pleadings at face value as if it was reality, to hide the actual findings of fact from the trial court. See also Thomas' dissent in Grutter.
But that's not actually true, college admissions is not a zero sum game.
If I don't get admitted to Harvard there is a thousand other colleges and universities available, many of them desperate for students.
That's an excellent argument for ending "Affirmative Action", since all those black students who don't get in to Harvard can get into some other school.
So thank you for establishing the total lack of benefit of those programs
After recent Supreme Court rulings, how could conservatives continue to defend or expect affirmative action for conservatives in faculty hiring, judicial clerkships, school accreditation, and the like?
Now that Kirkland is especially cranky because of the "gutting" (CNN's word) of the race-based college admissions he loves so much, it's worth remembering just how spectacularly wrong he was about Biden's impact on the Supreme Court.
You see, the Reverend, despite his constant Harvard Law name-dropping, didn't anticipate today's result. Just like he didn't anticipate his favorite "super-precedent" Roe v. Wade being overturned. In fact he thought the Supreme Court of the Biden era would be composed of 13, count 'em, 13 justices. Because Biden would create 4 new seats and immediately fill them with liberal judges (IOW judges who always rule to advance the Democratic Party's goals, ignoring the Constitution whenever it gets in the way).
The most hilarious part? Kirkland predicted Biden would accomplish this unprecedented Court-packing within 6 months of inauguration.
I'm not making this up.
I'm not exaggerating even a little bit.
He literally predicted exactly that.
What a humiliating faceplant. 🙂
You may enjoy being on the wrong side of history, the losing end of the culture war, and the rejected side at the modern marketplace of ideas, but you and your fellow clingers are still the losers in modern, improving-against-your-wishes America.
Democrats have not had the votes to impose adult supervision on our vestigial culture war casualties recently. Sens. Manchin (D-Hooterville) and Sinema (I-Space Cadet) were unreliable. That will change, as will the number of seats at the Supreme Court.
I will think of your link as I piss on the grave of your bigoted, backward, obsolete political aspirations.
Carry on, clinger. But only so far as your betters permit. Not a step beyond. You get to whine and whimper, mutter and sputter about it as much as your like. But you will continue to comply.
Until replacement.
'...modern marketplace of ideas...'
So a good old-fashioned American oligopoly?
'But you will continue to comply. Until replacement'.
Carry on with your authoritarian threats, AIDS. Your loved ones WILL be Breiviked by your American betters. Indeed, once the American people realize the extent of your malicious (global) social re-engineering plot, and how your elites' stated politics are not their real ones, everything you care about and have fought for will be burned.
Arthur, have you learned nothing from your encounters with Sandra (formerly OBL)?
She will expertly skewer you. You seem pretty smart. Maybe the best thing for you is not to mess with her, unless you like the humiliating faceplants.
"Judging people based on the color of their skin": not allowed
"Judging people based on their personal actions, positions, and experiences": allowed
Just how stupid do you have to be to fail to see a difference between the two?
But, remember AIDS, your standard line is that they’re all employed in shit unis because of their lack of talent, NOT because of political animosity against them. (This, let alone due to a long-standing, concerted effort to consolidate control over the law schools and police what is taught and researched à la Foucault’s notion of an episteme).
Your law schools, across their hierarchy, are a disgrace to the very notion of a university and the production of genuine knowledge anyway. (Maybe you can write a half-assed, under-researched article about that and get it published in one of the student-run law reviews at one of your ‘better’ schools?)
I see Artie is still in the first stage of grief, denial (or, as I prefer to call it, cope). I wish him a safe journey as he progresses through the remaining four stages.
You figure conservatives have slowed the tide of the culture war?
You think right-wingers have stopped the tide that has been shaping our national progress against Republicans' ugly, stale thinking for more than 50 years?
Are you predicting clingers will reverse that tide, and that bigotry, superstition and backwardness are going to make comebacks in modern America.
You should pray for a Rapture . . . that may be the only thing that could give conservatives a chance as America continues to become less rural, less religious, less White, less backward, and less bigoted every day.
No, of course not, AIDS.
Instead, two important developments are well-nigh guaranteed.
First, your culture war will turn hot. Your society will become more fragmented and violent, especially as your country loses global power.
Second, your preferred Americans will be outbred. Their values will die with them anyway. You won't have any control over America's future. (At this stage, it looks more and more as though it's going to become a borderline third-world, Catholic, post-industrial, post-educated, middling state within the next fifty years or so.)
Carry on, AIDS. Till your own mindless dogmas, foolish policies, and egregious abuses of power bring your country to its knees.
"We have never permitted admissions programs to work in that way, and we will not do so today."
Well, they never admitted to permitting admissions programs to work in that way, at least.
Being Conservative is not a race or an immutable characteristic. Easy.
Yes, that's why it can be something of value, and a contributor to actual diversity
I mean it is a bit surprising. Pretty much no one I know was getting their hopes up that AA would get overturned, but now that it has, pessimism can be turned to things like, how College administrations will seek to hide discrimination.
Yeah, I found it surprising.
I mean, the legal logic is unsurprising, that Roberts would follow the legal logic there? That was at least somewhat surprising.
I suppose the fact that public opinion is massively against racial preferences put a bit of starch in his spine.
Really? Roberts famously said "The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race."
So he would have had to more-or-less repudiate this statement for the case to go the other way.
The decision should not have been surprising.
Roberts has repeatedly "shown spine" in dissent, then wimped when it came to actually putting it into practice as the majority.
See: Dobbs
I was happily surprised that he didn't wimp
I am somewhat confused as to why the Equal Protection Clause matters in the case if Harvard, its a private university, no?
But irrespective of this, I'm very very pleased this goes well beyond my expectations, I was worried it would be very narrow but it isnt. Been a bit since I felt that way about policy.
As the kid of Indian immigrants I have so many stories about the manner in which affirmative action policies, and racism more generally by people who purport to believe in equal rights, has caused so many distortions and has harmed so many people. I can tell the story of how my guidance counselor told me expressly not to talk about my religion or cultural heritage in my app essay. Or how they closed the gifted and talented program in my middle school because it had too many Asians.
It doesn't end today, but it starts to, and thats good.
It matters because of Title VI, as stated above in the OP. Harvard can escape application of that, but only by the Hillsdale route: Flatly refusing all federal money, directly or indirectly, whatsoever.
Harvard has a huge enough endowment that they can probably bite that bullet. Most universities can't.
FBI agent Priestep is a graduate of Hillsdale—he tried to take down Trump on behalf of Bush Republicans.
Yep. And schools can look for those kinds of stories and give them extra weight.
And then wink-and-nod and say they aren't using race as consideration.
Apparenrly at some point in the past the Court ruled that the statute imposes the same restrictions as the Equal Protection Clause. Gorsuch's concurrence goes into some detail about why he thinks that's a wrong interpretation of the statute (and goes on to explain why he thinks Harvard's violating the statute).
My first thought is that Roberts is trying to protect the decision from becoming obsolete if Title VI is ever unlinked from EPC by a future case or by Congress. It also opens up every government-based race-preference to potentially being held "unconstitutional" (like small business programs and contracting carve-outs), which lay people like me find far more damning than simply holding them "unlawful".
From Kagrungy-Jackson Brown’s Dissent
“Imagine two college applicants from North Carolina,
John and James. Both trace their family’s North Carolina
roots to the year of UNC’s founding in 1789. Both love their
State and want great things for its people. Both want to
honor their family’s legacy by attending the State’s flagship
educational institution. John, however, would be the seventh generation to graduate from UNC. He is White.
James would be the first; he is Black. Does the race of these
applicants properly play a role in UNC’s holistic meritsbased admissions process?”
Ummm, Duh……
NO, just like Marty King Jr said 60 years ago
“John and James”???? be easier to follow if it was “Chandler and Dexter”
Frank
The fact that nothing changes when James is white says all you need to know. John is advantaged because of his skin color, he's advantaged because of his family connections. Something that the majority of students of all skin colors don't have.
The fact that these racists only see skin color as determinative says everything about them. In the quote they give zero weight to the merits of each individual in order to claim it must be race. This could be A student vs D- student and they'd be screaming racism.
"John, however, would be the seventh generation to graduate from UNC."
"seventh generation"!
How many people does this describe? A handful at most. There was no mass university attendance until the GI Bill.
It may shock Jackson but there are still many whites today who would be the first of their family to attend college. Unlike Justice Thomas, she herself is at worst a second generation college graduate.
Absolutely true, my mother and her siblings were the first ones in their family to go to college, both her parents finished their formal schooling at 9, her mother had to stay home and take care of her younger siblings when her mother died Her father started working in a shoe factory in Massachusetts when he was 10, where he worked until he was drafted at 21 in 1917.
Example: purple people have been significantly disadvantaged versus green people for decades, and colleges instituted AA policies to combat the disadvantage. Green students claim that AA violates 14A. 6 SC justices say, disadvantages no longer exist, 3 say that they do.
Colleges now institute a policy of recruiting on potential, not achievement, and they build colour-blind models that consider not just grades but school district rankings, personal circumstances, etc and the models allow them to judge whether a student with poorer grades or achievements has greater potential than a student with better grades who went to a far better HS, etc. etc.
It seems to me that this would be utterly unchallengeable - assuming integrity in the construction of the models and in adherence to the results. If it now turned out that because there were still educational disadvantages in the purple community, purple students would be admitted ahead of green students with slightly better performance, would such admission be unconstitutional under 14A? I don't see how it could be, even though it would look very much like AA.
The whole movement away from objective measures of merit is intended to make continued racial discrimination harder to document, that's all. Focusing on "potential" is part of that.
You can measure achievement. Potential you can only infer. That means there's a lot more room to deniably discriminate when you focus on "potential".
Yet potential is a real thing. And you can also do better than merely infer - because you will have had actual outcomes against which to test your model or other process. You may be able to say that on average a student from a school district rated D with an SAT score of 1200 will perform in college as well as a student from a B district with an SAT score of 1240. Consequently if you have one student from a D district with an SAT of 1210 and another from a B district with an SAT of 1235, you can say that on average the former student has greater potential.
The problem with trying to optimize for expected outcomes is that it ends up producing the effects that your side scream are racist.
It's like that Obama campaign staffer who insisted that "no Black person will be able to succeed in a merit-based system" (which is rather obviously false): the point isn't to arrange for success, it's to arrange for racially equal outcomes.
May I suggest every law (and its challenges) dealing with 'separate but equal'?
Except that in my example, there is no "separate but equal" - there is "disparate impact" but as apparently no conservative/right-winger recognises the concept in practice or in the courts, it doesn't matter. The point is that no candidate is getting additional credits for being purple, nor points deducted for being green.
Thomas’s concurrence says “no” loud and clear.
This decision won’t really have any impact… except that it’ll give Democrats some more extra votes in 2024 to go along with the extra Dobbs and Bruen voters. Those decisions are actually ruining people’s lives. This one is a sort of a freebie… colleges will still have legal ways to achieve diversity.
HBCUs exist—Harvard and Yale need to decline all donations and direct their donors to the top 10 HBCUs until $5 billion in endowment is raised and these donors would get the benefits of donating to Harvard and Yale.
"Harvard and Yale need to decline all donations"
Good joke!
If the top 100 private colleges declined donations until $5 billion was raised for the top 10 HBCUs it wouldn’t take that long. Harvard and Yale need to lead the effort. Xavier of NO is better than Harvard at graduating Blacks with STEM degrees and so it’s better for Blacks to go to colleges that won’t funnel them into less valuable degrees like most state flagships.
Sure but its funny you think Harvard and Yale give a crap about the issue.
I agree with you, they apparently don’t. One of McKenzie Bezos’ first donations was to Xavier of NO. And the woman that screwed Tom Benson’s heirs out of the Saints will eventually start a multibillion endowment that will end up giving tens of millions of dollars to Xavier and Dilliard of NO and so the HBCUs of NO will do just fine but I think at the very least all of Epstein’s donations should go to HBCUs ASAP.
Add a checkbox to the application. "I consider myself privileged in some way and want unprivileged applicants approved before mine regardless of merit." Let's see how that works.
Massachusetts added an option to allow taxpayers to choose a higher income tax rate. Not surprisingly, a whole lot more people want a higher rate for others than want it for themselves.
Of course because those others are "the rich" who aren't paying "their fair share".
I have always thought that the “stigma” argument against affirmative action was one of the strongest. Thomas put it this way:
I don’t see how that can be disputed. The best Sotomayor could do was to assert that the stigma results from “racial stereotypes that have attached historically to different groups, regardless of affirmative action’s existence.” But clearly, if members of Group A can be admitted with reduced qualifications, then in the absence of any specific evidence all members of Group A might have been admitted with reduced qualifications.
Bush and Kushner have the same stigma…doesn’t seem to impact them.
What stigma do Bush and Kushner have? Do they have clear membership in a group accepted to Harvard or Yale with reduced qualifications?
Yes.
I will admit that all those accepted at Harvard and Yale in the 60s and earlier were not subject to the same rigorous academic requirements that exist today, and so are stigmatized to an extent vis-à-vis today’s graduates. In this respect Bush was like all the other graduates of his day.
But it’s not obvious which graduates of Harvard were legacy admits. Bush and Kushner are the outliers because they’re famous. Bush probably had a stigma attach to him with some people for that reason but on the other hand he came from a celebrated family, which gave him connections that would be valuable for many potential employers. Same with Kushner. In addition, many people have considered coming from a higher class to be a positive, counteracting the negative stigma of being a legacy admit. Furthermore, they tend to have a lot of money, which can cushion much of a stigma.
But the bottom line is that it is not obvious which individuals are potential legacy admits, whereas in the case of race it is obvious. Justice Thomas says that after he graduated from Yale Law School nobody would interview him because they all assumed that he didn’t fulfill the normal entrance requirements of Yale Law. Don’t you think that is a widespread problem for black graduates in general?
Legacies also know how to transfer into an Ivy League school like Ivanka Trump.
Are you arguing that racial affirmative action creates no stigma for blacks, and that Justice Thomas just misapprehended the reason for not getting any interviews?
There are "Blacks" like Sidney Potier, Senator Edward Brooke (R, MA) and Barry Hussein and then there are "BLACKS" like my Bro Clarence, (the Late/Great) Herb Cain, (Real Dr) Ben Carson and Senator Tim Scott that are a little "Too Black" Jeezo/Beezo, Blacks put more importance on skin tone/"Good" hair than anyone.
Frank
They have the rich daddy stigma, which is color and sex blind. It's counteracted by having a rich daddy with connections.
Right. Furthermore, for the average person with a Harvard degree who applies for a job, whether or not he is a member of the group “potential legacy admits” is not clear just by meeting him in person. Also, what is the argument here, that since any stigma attaching to legacy admits appears not to have much effect, therefore a stigma attaching to racial admits must also not have much effect? Or is it that since a wrong is done to legacy admits who have the same qualifications as non-legacy admits, this justifies a wrong also being done to racial admits who have the requisite qualifications?
The rich, especially "and famous", have an anti-stigma, with lines of corporations and lovers waiting, crossing their fingers. It aids in admissions even sans legacy status, ask any Hollywood starlet.
I don't know about Mr. Kushner, but Mr. Bush seems to be a few cards short of a full deck - not in the IQ department, but in the department of sound judgment.
I'm still not over that Harriet Myers thing either.
Or the whole Ear-rock/Afghanistan thang (Yes, I was for it at first) of course that Brainiac Barry Hussein "surged" back into Off-Gone-E-Ston in 2009 because it was the "Good" War. Or blowing Willy C's surplus on a Medicare Drug Benefit, appointing John Roberts...
Do give him credit with Sammy (the Knife) Alito appointment, and dodging that shoe in Ear-Rock
Frank
Less snarkily... Legacy admissions. Trust-fund kiddies, etc. and so-on.
As a general rule of thumb, Americans respond more favorably to a "bootstraps" story then a "silver spoon" story. It's why so many rich people that got a huge leg-up from their parents will try to spin their own beginnings to be much more humble.
Two topically-relevant examples are Donald "I got started with a small loan from my father" Trump and Elon "I want people to forget that I used to not contest that Emerald Mine story" Musk.†
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†Not to pick on them, they're just the two that jumped to mind. I'm sure others have plenty of "leftwing" examples, as it's really just a class-warfare habit, not a political-partisan habit.
In America people should use whatever they have to get ahead. I recently read about a Black guy that runs a construction company and he became the go to guy to remove Confederate statues because all of the white owned firms passed. I have friends that have Ivy League degrees that are millionaires and friends that never graduated from college that are millionaires.
And I have a blister on my foot because I wore my motorcycle boots yesterday and my foot got sweaty in the 100 degree heat and it slipped around a little.
... or did you think you were contesting my point and not just giving random factoids?
A different kind of legacy is :
Which of our pols have a slave owner on their family tree and who was it and how many slaves did they own?
What's [not at all] surprising is how few of them chose to respond.
The question was about stigma.
In 2023, "you have slaveholder ancestors" isn't a stigma, it's a lame attempt at "gotcha politics", and an ineffective one at that.
Well there is a stigma against the Bush's and Kushner's of this world, somehow they manage to overcome it.
Ask someone whether they'd rather go to Harvard, and accept the possibility of someone else attaching a stigma to them, or go to some State U, without the stigma. I don't know the answer but I wouldn't want to decide the answer for someone else.
The problem is that the victims are those blacks who have the requisite qualifications but who have to suffer the stigma because of those who don't.
https://www.gocomics.com/doonesbury/1971/10/20
Mr. D.
Delay of game. 5 yards.
Why is it the universities don't use Household Income?
They do—Pell Grants are the proxy they will use.
"Why is it the universities don’t use Household Income?"
Universities do use household income; only currently it is used as a marker for how likely it is for the student to pay list price. At the upper echelon, there are a lot of full pay students from those quite well off families. Washington University(St. Louis) leads the household income list.
38 colleges had more students from the top 1 percent than the bottom 60 percent
Again Washington University wins the ignoble prize.
How could they increase diversity?
They could maybe be a little less selective about how much money they can shake down from families.
STUDENTS FROM ...
THE TOP 1% ($630K+) BOTTOM 60%(<$65K)
1. Washington University in St. Louis 21.7 6.1
2. Colorado College 24.2 10.5
3. Washington and Lee University 19.1 8.4
4. Colby College 20.4 11.1
5. Trinity College (Conn.) 26.2 14.3
6. Bucknell University 20.4 12.2
7. Colgate University 22.6 13.6
8. Kenyon College 19.8 12.2
9. Middlebury College 22.8 14.2
10. Tufts University 18.6 11.8
Everyone should know that a degree from one of those schools just means you have wealthy parents…the best colleges including my alma mater are tuition free for students from middle class families. Washington University is a little surprising because it has a huge endowment and so they should be attracting better students which would mean more students from middle class families…maybe the endowment is for their medical school or something?? Use endowment for tuition or else it means the student body is just a bunch of dumb kids with wealthy parents that couldn’t get into USC…or were too ugly for Miami. 😉
What is least surprising is that Chief Justice Roberts wrote the majority opinion, thus preventing Associate Justice Thomas from composing a far more forceful and effective rejection of racial consideration in decision-making that affects the well-being of American citizens. Mr. Roberts surely got the message that Chevy Chase is not immune to mob intimidation when the Dobbs decision was leaked, and wanted to enjoy his cushy life there in peace.
and
Aren't these the same question? This is what makes the opinion so stupid. It just says, go ahead and keep doing what you were doing, just be more discrete about it.
Thomas explicitly endorsed this sort of cheating:
I think we can expect similar results -- increases in minority enrollment -- at Harvard and elsewhere... maybe not in year one, but by year five, once they've gotten a chance to calibrate their race-neutral race proxies, such as income and geography, in the same way as UC. [The number of minorities actually goes up because a) why not and b) the methods are less precise so some additional buffer is necessary.]
George W Bush became president by screwing over Texans in the suburbs to help rural whites and Blacks and Latinos matriculate to UT…it’s called the Top 10% Rule.
Soooo....
It's OK to do things that are on their face race neutral, but have a disparate impact? I'm confused, as the left seems to see that as a bad thing. Except I guess when it accomplishes something they want.
Does anyone really think this will be the end of it as regards AA?
Please explain how a requirement to make admissions criteria measurable and reviewable by the SCOTUS is not establishment of meritocracy as a legal principle in the U.S. Where is the constitutional power to decree a meritocracy? Where is the judicial power to evaluate personal merit?
Can you elaborate? I mean, it’s not automatic that the criteria will be reviewed by Scotus. Let’s say, for example the schools just stop using race so blatantly and no group has a reasonable expectation of suing successfully. And I can think of a couple of race neutral (i.e. economic) factors that could achieve similar results as the race-proxies currently employed.
Techincally correct, but c'mon man, we all know that this is going to be back in front of SCOTUS in five to ten years because another rich kid didn't get into the school they wanted to, and think that it's because the school admits too many minorities.
Which is to say, the criteria absolutely is going to be reviewed by SCOTUS. The only question is when.
I appreicate the Professor Baude's recognition that those "who focus too often only on a subset of the bigger picture" may benefit from the "useful perspective"[s] found in the opinions. [grin] Admitting the problem is part of the solution.
Since the mid- to late-1990s, a goodly number of universities have outsourced the selection of students while retaining in-house recruitment of students: it is rare to see a university eschew a mathematically-determined customer mix which results in a maximized income stream while preserving such factors as retention and life-long giving potential. Like all non-profit organizations, universities are businesses which must have income to survive and the often-hushed, and readily identifiable, need for income typically dwarfs the often-vociferous, yet largely anonymous, demand for diversity, inclusiveness, and equity. I chuckle every time I hear an "Admissions Counselor" discussing an essay with an applicant, as neither the opinion of the Counselor nor the content of the essay has any role in the selection of the student; however, it does have a rather quaint appeal... like window shopping for "antique collectibles" in one of America's "recently renovated vibrantly historic downtowns."
This turn away from subjective admissions has saved many a university from bankruptcy and, in answer to a question posed in the post, remains as a bulwark against implementing prohibited race-based admissions. Money drives things.
PS: The comment above regarding donations to HBCUs deserves some attention. HBCUs (such as Hampton Institute) can certainly use the donations and I feel it's as important to preserve this aspect of American culture and history as it is to preserve (for example) Monacan culture and even Confederate culture. It is shocking that many do no recognize the name of Booker T. Washington and even fewer -- regardless of race -- cannot pronounce the name of W.E.B DuBois which dons a hall at Hampton Institute.
At some point in the future, there will be another Republican President.
It would be an appropriate exercise of federal power to request data on admissions decisions and application packets and take legal action against violators.
Universities that choose to cheat are taking a serious risk.
"At some point in the future"??
you mean like January 20, 2025?
Of course I remember biack in 16', hearing there wouldn't be another Repubiclown POTUS "This Century"
Frank
One interesting claim made by the majority that I haven't seem discussed so often is that "three out of every five American universities do not consider race in their admissions decisions."
Of course there's a 3/5 involved. I believe that is a Constitutional requirement. Or something. Math is not likely justices strong subject.
"3/5" reference! well played!!!!
We have time and again forcefully rejected the notion that government actors may intentionally allocate preference to those “who may have little in common with one an- other but the color of their skin.” Shaw, 509 U. S., at 647. The entire point of the Equal Protection Clause is that treating someone differently because of their skin color is not like treating them differently because they are from a city or from a suburb, or because they play the violin poorly or well.
“One of the principal reasons race is treated as a forbidden classification is that it demeans the dignity and worth of a person to be judged by ancestry instead of by his or her own merit and essential qualities.”
Emphasis added
The second question asked at the end is answered through the first. Will universities be able to cheat? Yes, because without standardized testing, there will be no objective index of merit.
Can you elaborate? I mean, it’s not automatic that the criteria will be reviewed by Scotus. Let’s say, for example the schools just stop using race so blatantly and no group has a reasonable expectation of suing successfully. And I can think of a couple of race neutral (i.e. economic) factors that could achieve similar results as the race-proxies currently employed.
Edit - not sure what happened, this was meant as a response to Stephen Lathrop.
I question how this judgement could be practically enforced. If a black guy gets in, and you don't even if you have the same academic criteria, how do you prove that the guy or girl being black was the determining factor? Lottery systems are used in a lot of charter schools. There are so many variables for admissions processes.
I’m curious about the level of deference (or skepticism) that will be afforded to new race neutral policies. This may come down to the difference between overruling and “effectively overruling” Grutter, and its surviving interplay with the “disparate impact” cases.
Setting aside the specifics–whether they’re geography/zip code based, second language/spoken at home based, elimination of tests, class/income based, etc., Grutter and Fisher were pretty clear that race-based preferences were supposed to be a last resort, after all race neutral alternatives were exhausted.
Given the virtual explosion of race neutral ideas that have come out of the woodwork over the past several weeks, not to mention the public statements (“we’re exploring our options,” we’re beginning to look at alternatives,” etc.) it’s apparent that most universities went straight to race based admissions and never attempted to comply with the courts' rulings in the slightest. Those involved in litigation typically represented to the courts that they had in fact considered these alternatives and found them ineffective or unworkable.
And most of these are pretty obvious alternatives that have been discussed for many years. A court might not look fondly at policies that magically work, after fifty years of consistent denials while courts were encouraging them to experiment. There’s a little taste of unclean hands here.
And, of these, income/class based admissions preferences, while enjoying public support, may in fact be the most problematic of the bunch. On the heels of a decision which centered on race-based admissions policies which unlawfully discriminated against Asians, it would be gutsy indeed to replace them with income-based preferences designed to discriminate against the highest income segment of the US population–which is disproportionately Asian.
Interesting times….